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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| WHERE WERE WE?
The memoir that I have been working on is with
the publisher and it will be appearing in March in
Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and London, with a
later date after translation for China.
So there is now some time.
Where were we?
Oh, yes, Edward Winter. Could someone please
send me the reference in which Winter imagines he is
offering reasons for spreading aspersions on BCO's
authorship but actually does not. I would like to
start with those sentences, and we can get Louie Blair
and NM Taylor Kingston, the class A player who claimed
to be 2300-plus ELO, back to their twitching.
I, for one, doubt that Ray Gordon is Stan Booz
after reading the last couple of messages.
The issue with the Shahade hire, if she is
making real bucks, is not her credentials. If she has
a quick mind, can write so that the sentences parse,
has news sense and knows chess, then she has more
credentials than someone who has serviced a million
computers and organized 80,000 web pages.
If her brain has a live wire, then she is worth
any number of experienced deadheads.
Still, if the job pays real bucks (we don't know how much)
then the hiring without a public search, regardless of whether
the EB broke some regulation, is a scandal. Especially with
her brother sitting on the board. No doubt about that.
If the woman is making the money that is claimed
or anywhere near it, then she is likely the number two
employee at the Federation. There is no way that a
Don Schultz, Bill Goichberg or a Joel Channing would
not understand that such a job requires circulation to
the chess community at large. If they maintain
otherwise, then they are lying.
Have they maintained otherwise? I don't know.
There are hundreds of messages in my absence, and I
erased them in toto.
Now that I have time, we must begin organizing
against drug testing in chess. This issue will have
resonance, and I think the place to start is with
volunteers circulating a model petition, which I will
present again, at tournaments. Let the membership
know that the USCF is a strong supporter of WADA
testing, de facto, if not in meaningless words. This
indeed means out-of-competition testing for top
players as GM Larry Evans and Phil Innes confirmed.
Let us recollect: our "team" was to campaign
vigorously against drug testing in ANY CHESS
TOURNAMENT OR MATCH. Our "team" ended up introducing
a motion to FIDE supporting only drug testing required by WADA.
The point is that WADA requires testing any
time, any place, for any reason, stated or unstated.
Our team, in short, put us on record as supporting
such testing in ANY CHESS TOURNAMENT OR MATCH.
That was a 180-degree reversal of their
Delegate mandate, not that the rule of law means
anything these days with most chess types.
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| Paul Rubin 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| "parrthenon@cs.com" <parrthenon@cs.com> writes:
quote:
> Still, if the job pays real bucks (we don't know how much)
> then the hiring without a public search, regardless of whether
> the EB broke some regulation, is a scandal. Especially with
> her brother sitting on the board. No doubt about that.
Except for the issue of her brother, why is there a scandal? How many
employees has the USCF had over the years, in all its different
positions? How many of them were hired through public searches? Is
there a scandal for each one who was was not? Or were they paid with
Monopoly money? Or what?
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| EXCEPT FOR HER BROTHER....
quote:
>Except for the issue of her brother, why is there a
scandal? How many employees has the USCF had
over the years, in all its different positions? How many
of them were hired through public searches? Is there a
scandal for each one who was was not?> -- Paul Rubin
I stipulated in what I wrote that the issue is
the level of pay and whether it is fair to say that
Jennifer Shahade is the No. 2 or 3 employee at the
Federation as opposed to some gofer. We are not
talking about hiring just any Federation employee.
That is the issue.
The two or three top positions have always been
fed out to the wider community for hiring. If, for example,
she is now making more than the CL editor (we don't know
and the board ain't talking) then how does one justify such
a hiring without a public search?
I noted that we simply don't know at this point
her exact status. My conclusion was clearly based on
assuming that reports of her higher pay scale were
accurate. If not and if she is, say, just another
marketing-type person, then failing to inform the
chess community can probably be justified despite
the troubling issue of her brother serving on the board
and then resigning abruptly.
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| Ray Gordon 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Which idiot will actually believe that she and Hoffman would have
gotten this job if it wasn't for the brother? His actual vote meant
nothing. The problem was his influence on other board members to vote
for his friend and sister. In addition, his resignation will cost the
USCF money for running another election.
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| mikeNOSPAM@theopenfile.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| She makes nowhere near what the rgcp posters are saying. The number of
75K was completely made up by a troll to drum up this kind of
discussion.
No one knows what she makes (inluding me), and that's the way it should
be. No one knows what any of the staff hired at USCF makes, with the
exception of the ED.
What makes you people believe that the crazy 75K is correct, or even
anywhere near the actual number, is beyond me.
- Mike Petersen
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| jamesrynd@aol.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| >The memoir that I have been working on is with
quote:
>the publisher and it will be appearing in March
Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch to call a printer a
publisher.
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| Chess One 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
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<mikeNOSPAM@theopenfile.com> wrote in message
news:1140184756.160992.158360@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> She makes nowhere near what the rgcp posters are saying. The number of
> 75K was completely made up by a troll to drum up this kind of
> discussion.
>
> No one knows what she makes (inluding me), and that's the way it should
> be. No one knows what any of the staff hired at USCF makes, with the
> exception of the ED.
>
> What makes you people believe that the crazy 75K is correct, or even
> anywhere near the actual number, is beyond me.
>
> - Mike Petersen
No one believes the $75k number! Only some fool can't write his own name and
pretends to be, others asserts it.
As usual ChessHut have messed up the communication on the issue by making
the information SECRET.
BUT! There are as many reasons to think the secretism as strange as the $75k
number.
Now that the National Chess federation have withdrawn to the Hut of
Solitude.com, they don't really care to know what the general public thinks
of them. It is an organisation which looks to its own class, of politicos in
chess, and we, the players, are assorted wackos, doan deserve to know
nuthin.
Phil Innes
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| Ray Gordon 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| If it's not $75K for each of them then how much do they get?
Why weren't these positions offered to the public? I guess there's
nothing wrong with someone getting elected to get his sister and friend
high paid jobs then quit.
It's obvious that this board can't answer these questions because
they're as guilty Barbra Streisand and Barry Gibbs' horrible duet.
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| Mike Nolan 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| "Ray Gordon" <raygordon@writeme.com> writes:
quote:
>Why weren't these positions offered to the public? I guess there's
>nothing wrong with someone getting elected to get his sister and friend
>high paid jobs then quit.
Paul Hoffman is not and will not become a USCF employee, he and his
business partner were brought in as consultants to propose a new look
for both the website and the magazine.
I understand they're making their presentation to the Board at today's
meeting, which will include such things as when the new website would
likely become available (my guess--some time in May or June) and when the
first issue of the redesigned magazine would be sent out, probably around
the same time.
Where it goes from here will be up to to the Board.
--
Mike Nolan
BTW, I understand the USCF is looking for someone to haul away garbage
at their new building, if anyone is interested in doing more than just
trashing the USCF on the net.
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| Ray Gordon 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| More bull shit from a USCF paid point man. Why weren't any positions
opened to the public? How come the board is trying to hide the truth?
You can throw any shit you want but it won't stick. This is purely a
political payoff. Shahade has zero professional experience other than
being a chess XXXXX. Are they afraid that there are hundreds of more
qualified people than Shahade who are willing to work for less?
Goichberg, Schultz and Channing should resign and Marinello should run
the USCF again.
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jamesrynd@aol.com wrote:
quote:
>
> Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch to call a printer a
> publisher.
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| *Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch to call a printer a
publisher.*
What is this supposed to mean except envy for a superior
writing talent?
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| Louis Blair 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Larry Parr wrote (16 Feb 2006 17:26:13 -0800):
quote:
> we can get Louie Blair ... back to [his] twitching.
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Larry Parr, of course, does not identify any of this
supposed "twitching". It seems to me that Larry
Parr is the one who is twitching in order to avoid
an issue:
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"Edward winter ... once claimed that kasparov's
contribution to bco batsford chess openings was
ghosted ..." - GM Keene quote reported by
Larry Parr (25 Jan 2006 06:02:49 -0800)
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"Can GM Keene, Larry Parr, or anyone
else back this up with a quote from a
verifiable source?" - Louis Blair (25 Jan 2006
10:04:33 -0800)
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"WINTER'S QUOTE HAS BEEN FOUND!
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By GM Raymond Keene
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Winter ... (1983): '---the exact role of
Kasparov. Is his name there more for
sales than for merit?'" - GM Keene
communication reported by Larry Parr
(27 Jan 2006 15:30:26 -0800)
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"Do GM Keene and Larry Parr seriously
contend that the Edward Winter QUESTION
can be fairly described as a 'claim' 'that
kasparov's contribution to bco batsford
chess openings was ghosted'?
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If they do, why doesn't either of them say so
explicitly? If they don't, why don't they admit
that they still have not produced a record of
such a claim?" - Louis Blair (28 Jan 2006
16:03:20 -0800)
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| Chess Freak 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Parrthenon,
Are you a USCF member?
- CF
<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message news:1140139573.690744.145840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| WHERE WERE WE?
zzzz
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| NOLANLAND
quote:
>BTW, I understand the USCF is looking for someone to
haul away garbage at their new building, if anyone is interested
in doing more than just trashing the USCF on the net.> -- Mike Nolan
Well, there we have it. Mike Nolan will defend
giving a job to a sister of a board member when the
position is not open to the general chess community,
but he offers a garbage-disposal position for public,
ah, consumption.
I am not much upset by the Paul Hoffmann
episode. He appears to be a man of real substance.
Nor do I argue that you can't hire Jennifer Shahade
for lack of experience. The qualifications for her
job will be wit, street smarts, chess, and the
capacity to express facts and ideas in lucid English.
Does she have those qualifications? Possibly.
That's one side of the equation.
The other side, which begins to appear more and
more heavy on the ethical teeter-totter, is why a
possibly very high paying position -- perhaps second
to the Executive Director -- was not advertised. Instead,
we had a quiet resignation and quick hire.
Snap of the fingers! Hesto-presto! It's done.
And they ain't talkin'.
Now, our peerless leaders are saying that the special
election for another OMOV election won't cost much.
These same jokers, who opposed OMOV for decades, used
to construct elaborate lies explaining how much OMOV
elections would cost.
Amazing people out thar in Nolanland.
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| VANITY PUBLISHER?
<Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch
to call a printer a publisher.. -- Rynd-Dowd
Every time James Rynd (Steven Dowd) appears here,
he feels compelled to exhibit his intellectual stigmata
from past battles. He literally bleeds ego-blood across the
bandwidth.
The first publisher is MPH, a bookstore chain,
which will handle Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and
London. Other editions in Australia and China will
have as one of the likely publishers, East-West in Australia.
For any of you in Australia, the Afterword is
written by Baillieu Myer, the patriarch of Coles-Myer,
the Wal-Mart of Australia. It is larger than either
Harrod's or Marks & Spencer.
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| Mike Nolan 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| "parrthenon@cs.com" <parrthenon@cs.com> writes:
quote:
> Now, our peerless leaders are saying that the special
>election for another OMOV election won't cost much.
>These same jokers, who opposed OMOV for decades, used
>to construct elaborate lies explaining how much OMOV
>elections would cost.
Larry, you left out that in my first year as a Delegate in Portland (1987)
I was the one who moved that the USCF study OMOV, that I supported it
during my run for the Board in 1990, that I continued to support it
after that, and that I was the co-author of the OMOV motion when it
finally passed.
--
Mike Nolan
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| Ray Gordon 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| >>BTW, I understand the USCF is looking for someone to
quote:
> haul away garbage at their new building, if anyone is interested
> in doing more than just trashing the USCF on the net.> -- Mike Nolan
>
> Well, there we have it. Mike Nolan will defend
> giving a job to a sister of a board member when the
> position is not open to the general chess community,
> but he offers a garbage-disposal position for public,
> ah, consumption.
Perhaps this has something to do with the volume of garbage originating from
USCF relative to the volume of content on its website and magazine?
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| Duncan Oxley 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Actually, he is boycotting because of the Drug Testing issue.
I did the same for a while, for the same reasons, deciding it
was a lot more productive to work within.
Duncan
"Chess Freak" <chessfreak@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:89mdnRoJKZql3mvenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
quote:
> Parrthenon,
>
> Are you a USCF member?
>
> - CF
>
> <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:1140139573.690744.145840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> | WHERE WERE WE?
>
> zzzz
>
>
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| Tom Klem 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Will it be on Amazon?
I want a copy.
Tom Klem
<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1140234005.381357.257490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> VANITY PUBLISHER?
>
> <Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch
> to call a printer a publisher.. -- Rynd-Dowd
>
> Every time James Rynd (Steven Dowd) appears here,
> he feels compelled to exhibit his intellectual stigmata
> from past battles. He literally bleeds ego-blood across the
> bandwidth.
>
> The first publisher is MPH, a bookstore chain,
> which will handle Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and
> London. Other editions in Australia and China will
> have as one of the likely publishers, East-West in Australia.
>
> For any of you in Australia, the Afterword is
> written by Baillieu Myer, the patriarch of Coles-Myer,
> the Wal-Mart of Australia. It is larger than either
> Harrod's or Marks & Spencer.
>
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| Louis Blair 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| Larry Parr wrote (17 Feb 2006 17:40:36 -0800):
quote:
> The other side [of the equation], which begins
> to appear more and more heavy on the ethical
> teeter-totter, is why a possibly very high paying
> position -- perhaps second to the Executive
> Director -- was not advertised.
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Why does this question "[begin] to appear more
and more heavy on the ethical teeter-totter"? Has
any additional information been uncovered? Does
Larry Parr have any evidence at all that the
unadvertised position was "very high paying"
and/or "second to the Executive Director"?
_
"No one believes the $75k number!
Only some fool can't write his own
name and pretends to be, others
asserts it." - Phil Innes (Fri,
17 Feb 2006 15:00:45 GMT)
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| samsloan 2006-02-26, 7:32 pm |
| jamesrynd@aol.com wrote:
quote:
>
> Another vanity press book? It is kind of a stretch to call a printer a
> publisher.
You are kind of stupid, you know?
Larry Parr works for a billionaire.
That is the kind that is spelled with a "B".
Sam Sloan
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