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The Historian

2006-11-19, 8:32 pm

jeremy.p.spinrad@vanderbilt.edu wrote:

quote:

> Let me back up Neil in general here, while disagreeing in one
> particular. Neil has every right to call himself a chess historian.

Thank you.

He

quote:

> is an excellent chess historian, and was willing to give me helpful
> advice even when I did not know some of the basics of the field.

Jerry, I would much rather read good chess history than write it. I
enjoy your work a great deal. Please keep writing.

Neil

quote:

> has been writing interesting articles about characters from the history
> of chess for many years, and I am sad that they will not be able to be
> made available, for free, to the public as they were for many years
> because of copyright infringement.

Thanks to the outpouring of support I had during the recent theft of my
copyrighted material, I was persuaded to let my online publishers
restore my work to their webpages. Incidentally, you've responded to
the thief, a man very appropriately named "Rob."

I should mention that my work often appears in print magazines as well.
For instance, a two part essay on chess in Atlanta is now appearing in
Georgia Chess. GC has also accepted two other articles for future
publication. Meanwhile, I have articles drafted I am submitting to
Chess Life and The Chess Journalist. I mention this merely to feed my
personal trolls.

quote:

> On the other hand, I do not feel that I was continually trashed in the
> newsgroups.

I had in mind Nick's flaming of you, and the offers of 'help' from the
Nearly an IM 2450. Getting such 'aid' from Innes is like inviting
Lucrezia Borgia to help you cook.

My first writing on chess history came in the newsgroups,

quote:

> and the positive feedback I got played a major part in helping me
> become more serious about the subject. In its own strange way,
> rec.games.chess is a very welcoming place. In my case, I found it to
> be a nice, and very non-threatening, place to "publish" my first work.
> Even the fact that there is so much nonsense printed here is useful,
> since it helped make me confident that I was not bringing down the
> level of conversation even when (and this happened fairly often in my
> early posts in chess history) I wrote things that turned out to be
> inaccurate after more research had been done.

It's hard to bring down the level of the chess groups. Witness the
witless comment below:

"In short: I have not found a single first-hand refererence nor
artifact which would
verify that the event [Cambridge Springs 1904] ever took place." - Phil
Innes

After that, there is no place to go but up.

quote:

> Incidentally, I have pretty much dropped of r.g.c.m. not because I am
> disappointed with it, but because my computer no longer supports my old
> newsreader. I find it harder to keep up with issues I want to look at
> through google. For old times sake, I will try to start a whimsical
> thread related to chess history elsewhere.
>
> Jerry Spinrad

Thank you, Jerry. It's always good to hear kind words from a peer.

Chess One

2006-11-19, 8:33 pm

"The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> jeremy.p.spinrad@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
>
> Thank you.
>
> He
>
> Jerry, I would much rather read good chess history than write it. I
> enjoy your work a great deal. Please keep writing.
>
> Neil
>
> Thanks to the outpouring of support I had during the recent theft of my
> copyrighted material, I was persuaded to let my online publishers
> restore my work to their webpages.

To which they declined

)

quote:

> Incidentally, you've responded to
> the thief, a man very appropriately named "Rob."
>
> I should mention that my work often appears in print magazines as well.
> For instance, a two part essay on chess in Atlanta is now appearing in
> Georgia Chess. GC has also accepted two other articles for future
> publication. Meanwhile, I have articles drafted I am submitting to
> Chess Life and The Chess Journalist. I mention this merely to feed my
> personal trolls.

This particular 'troll' is nonplussed by such self promotion. A Chess Life
/submission/? - and the Chess-Jerry, the famous CJA publication which has
the ethical stance of a -- well! George Clooney would disagree!

quote:

>
> I had in mind Nick's flaming of you, and the offers of 'help' from the
> Nearly an IM 2450. Getting such 'aid' from Innes is like inviting
> Lucrezia Borgia to help you cook.

Is it like that? This moron has prognoisticated that, after inviting me to
show him a game, that it was 'not master chess', from his viewpoint of a
1500 player, not even that my opponent had beaten the great Frank Marshall
and all the NY crowd at the time.

Otherwise I never noticed that he wrote about chess at all - not in 5 years

Of course, Jerry can make up his own mind about this writer who thought he
could even correct Jenn Shahade's book to what she should have written as a
woman, about being a woman in chess, but to quote her direct reply on the
phone would burn your screen.

And, I think, this is enough of this malicious climber, who sucks up to
whatever he thinks will advance his librarian's writing, understanding just
a little vicariously, and understanding even less than Kingston.

This guy is a lair, a stalker, and out-and-out chess-nazi, Spinrad.

I sincerely hope you don't need someone like this to buck up your
self-esteem, and will not reply mentioning that he has written about dead
'b' players of note.

Ker-ist!

Phil Innes

quote:

> My first writing on chess history came in the newsgroups,
>
> It's hard to bring down the level of the chess groups. Witness the
> witless comment below:
>
> "In short: I have not found a single first-hand refererence nor
> artifact which would
> verify that the event [Cambridge Springs 1904] ever took place." - Phil
> Innes
>
> After that, there is no place to go but up.
>
>
> Thank you, Jerry. It's always good to hear kind words from a peer.
>