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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
| SLOAN'S COMPLAINT VS. TANNER UPHELD
The following note came to me today. For the
record, I knew NOTHING about the Tanner ruling, but
you have to say that since he is one of our guys in
FIDE, this new information is hardly surprising.
If the message is accurate, we now have a
verifiable cheat on the Executive Board who is also a
member of our FIDE "team."
We are told in the note below that Mr. Tanner
has simply "shrugged it off," in the great tradition
of Jim Fisk who said famously when caught in a scam,
"Nothing is lost save honor."
Will the board now police itself? Will, say, Joel
Channing tell us that he disapproves having a cheat on
the the board? Will Bill Goichberg request a resignation?
Will Sam break silence, if the report is true?
Methinks the official reaction will be: Keep
Mr. Tanner on the FIDE "team" because the loss of
honor is meaningless to this group of chess politicos.
Alas, I will be proven correct. Here is the message:
quote:
> You may be interested to know that the Ethics
>Committee ruled 6-3 in favor of Sam Sloan's
>complaint against Robert Tanner, namely that he made
>up tournaments in order to inflate his rating over
>2200. It is certain that Sammie knows this, and
>likely that Parr knows this, but there has not been
>a bleep (as far as I know) on the Internet about
>this. Contrast this to the way your case was
>er.... communicated. Tanner, when told of the vote,
>apparently shrugged it off. Donnie has gotten Sammie
>to low key it, and it might all blow over. This is
>about putting the fix in, not to go from class B to
>C, and play in the World Open, which we all know
>happens, but about crossing the critical line
>between expert and master. Isn't that Taboo?
>Shouldn't people care? I guess we earned ours the
>old fashioned way.
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| help bot 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
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parrthenon@cs.com wrote:
quote:
> SLOAN'S COMPLAINT VS. TANNER UPHELD
>
> The following note came to me today. For the
> record, I knew NOTHING about the Tanner ruling, but
> you have to say that since he is one of our guys in
> FIDE, this new information is hardly surprising.
>
> If the message is accurate, we now have a
> verifiable cheat on the Executive Board who is also a
> member of our FIDE "team."
>
> We are told in the note below that Mr. Tanner
> has simply "shrugged it off," in the great tradition
> of Jim Fisk who said famously when caught in a scam,
> "Nothing is lost save honor."
>
> Will the board now police itself? Will, say, Joel
> Channing tell us that he disapproves having a cheat on
> the the board? Will Bill Goichberg request a resignation?
> Will Sam break silence, if the report is true?
>
> Methinks the official reaction will be: Keep
> Mr. Tanner on the FIDE "team" because the loss of
> honor is meaningless to this group of chess politicos.
How is it that LP has reversed course, now slamming
Sam Sloan when before the man was seen as a useful
tool by the Evans ratpack? Weird.
-- confused bot
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| Chess One 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
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"help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> parrthenon@cs.com wrote:
>
>
> How is it that LP has reversed course, now slamming
> Sam Sloan when before the man was seen as a useful
> tool by the Evans ratpack? Weird.
The very thing that the Evans ratpack - a euphemism for people who speak
their mind in the open - said was useful, was that Sloan would more likely
not shut up about such deceit as Tanner is accused of. And indeed, Sloan did
bring a motion before the board.
There are two unknown aspects to this affair: (a) what consequence there is
for Tanner as recommended by the ethics committee or the board, and if that
is /in process/, which may inhibit Sloan's further statements, and (b) to
honor the title of this thread, which 3 people on the ethics committee voted
AGAINST it? Here is Parr's quotation:-
quote:
> You may be interested to know that the Ethics
>Committee ruled 6-3 in favor of Sam Sloan's
>complaint against Robert Tanner, namely that he made
>up tournaments in order to inflate his rating over
>2200.
If a finding for rigging ratings has no consequence, then surely the ethics
committee has no reason to exist. I wonder if its known if the 3 dissenters
from the majority finding voted on the basis of it not being unethical, or
voted that it was insufficiently proved?
As to the board, it will be a matter of great interest to understand which
board member will NOT object to serving with Mr. Tanner. Should they too
shrug off this issue relating to USCF's core business, I should like to know
what function they think they are serving as board members administering a
non-profit national trust, where no trust is to be had.
Phil Innes
quote:
> -- confused bot
>
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| The Historian 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
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parrthenon@cs.com wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> SLOAN'S COMPLAINT VS. TANNER UPHELD
>
> The following note came to me today. For the
> record, I knew NOTHING about the Tanner ruling, but
> you have to say that since he is one of our guys in
> FIDE, this new information is hardly surprising.
>
> If the message is accurate, we now have a
> verifiable cheat on the Executive Board who is also a
> member of our FIDE "team."
>
> We are told in the note below that Mr. Tanner
> has simply "shrugged it off," in the great tradition
> of Jim Fisk who said famously when caught in a scam,
> "Nothing is lost save honor."
>
> Will the board now police itself? Will, say, Joel
> Channing tell us that he disapproves having a cheat on
> the the board? Will Bill Goichberg request a resignation?
> Will Sam break silence, if the report is true?
>
> Methinks the official reaction will be: Keep
> Mr. Tanner on the FIDE "team" because the loss of
> honor is meaningless to this group of chess politicos.
>
> Alas, I will be proven correct. Here is the message:
>
An interesting item, if true. I add "if true" because the item in
question is an anonymous note presented to us by one of the
bottom-feeders in chess 'journalism.'
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| Why is it so surprising that the USCF is as corrupt as any other
institution?
In today's world the terrorists are the only ones who can be trusted to
tell the truth. Their
avowed goal is to convert all infidels and kill all Americans.
parrthenon@cs.com wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> SLOAN'S COMPLAINT VS. TANNER UPHELD
>
> The following note came to me today. For the
> record, I knew NOTHING about the Tanner ruling, but
> you have to say that since he is one of our guys in
> FIDE, this new information is hardly surprising.
>
> If the message is accurate, we now have a
> verifiable cheat on the Executive Board who is also a
> member of our FIDE "team."
>
> We are told in the note below that Mr. Tanner
> has simply "shrugged it off," in the great tradition
> of Jim Fisk who said famously when caught in a scam,
> "Nothing is lost save honor."
>
> Will the board now police itself? Will, say, Joel
> Channing tell us that he disapproves having a cheat on
> the the board? Will Bill Goichberg request a resignation?
> Will Sam break silence, if the report is true?
>
> Methinks the official reaction will be: Keep
> Mr. Tanner on the FIDE "team" because the loss of
> honor is meaningless to this group of chess politicos.
>
> Alas, I will be proven correct. Here is the message:
>
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| marcus@stkittsnevischess.org 2006-11-19, 8:33 pm |
| I'd trust a terrorist sooner than I would trust a child molester. After
all, terrorists have standards.
Marcus Roberts
former USCF Vice President
jr wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Why is it so surprising that the USCF is as corrupt as any other
> institution?
>
> In today's world the terrorists are the only ones who can be trusted to
> tell the truth. Their
> avowed goal is to convert all infidels and kill all Americans.
>
> parrthenon@cs.com wrote:
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| Duncan Oxley 2006-11-19, 8:33 pm |
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"The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote
quote:
> An interesting item, if true. I add "if true" because the item in
> question is an anonymous note presented to us by one of the
> bottom-feeders in chess 'journalism.'
>
Neil, sadly it just *may* be true. Have a look at was posted today
by Hal Bogner. I took a cursory look and have not been able
to connect the dots quite so easily. I'll have to look a little closer
later tonight but Bogner seems to be convinced. I'm curious, does
anyone else see a smoking gun here?
--Duncan
------
hmb 10062225
Joined: 29 Jun 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Half Moon Bay, California
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:45 am
Post subject: Status of Complaint(s)
------
tanstaafl wrote:
Given how little factual basis there has been when
Mr. Sloan has gone on the record with a charge of
wrong-doing, I wonder what kind of basis we
should assume when he *declines* to make a
specific charge!
My guess is that nobody would take him
seriously anyway.
------
Well, Tan, in this case, I suggest that you ignore
the back-and-forths of these present and past
board members, and look instead at what appears to
me to be some shocking public data from the Member
Services Area (MSA).
I happened to look, and there appears to be a series
of contrived tournaments involving an apparently
closed group of players (who may also be contrived),
which resulted in steady gains of rating from the
2159 to 2319 by Robert Tanner, during the period
February 1992 through January 1993 (plus one cameo
appearance in 1997). There is nothing confidential
about this data, and it's fully documented as to
dates, places, affiliates, TDs, etc. Here are some of
the relevant URLs; I suggest that you view this while
sitting down, and have smelling salts at hand:
Robert Tanner's rating history can be found in the
MSA at:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?10495334
The most intriguing of the apparently made-up players,
and his tournament history, is here:
12570599: MILAN DJIATLICH
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12570599
Robert Tanner's 12-month ascent from 2153 to 2319 starts
in section 2 of this event, the aptly named
"IT'S A GAMBLE":
http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain...123240-12570599
....and culminates in this event, "INT'L FAREWELL OF FRIENDS":
http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain...114260-10495334
If anyone is interested and has the time, clicking around
through the rating histories and events of this closed
circle of players is somewhere between fascinating and
horrifying.
Unless there is some evidence to refute what appears to
be prima facie evidence here of rating manipulation,
I can only conclude with great disappointment that this
man who many of us know and respect went horribly
wrong for a time, and has hidden and had built upon
this foundation ever since.
Today, we find him as the trusted Executive Board member who
served as liason to Erik Anderson and AF4C as the current US
Championship plans were constructed; who represents USCF in
FIDE (now as Zonal President, and incredibly, as a member of
FIDE's Ethics Commission, too - see
http://www.fide.com/official/officials.asp?f=31)
; as well as a Board member and formerly a member of the
Scholastic Council, and who is noth an NTD and an
International Arbiter.
All politics aside, the degree of violation of trust that
has occurred here is unprecedented. I'm a life master and
an IA, and I'm seriously offended. I suspect that the
Scholastic Council, the TDCC, many Masters, and those
members of the FIDE Ethics Commission who deserve respect,
will be, too - along with many other chess players.
We've all no doubt made mistakes in our lives (certainly
I have), but abusing official powers and privileges is
something that must be dealt with harshly, for the good
of the organization and the game.
I'm sorry to have to break this data here, but what can
one say? I've known, liked, trusted and respected Robert,
as many of us have. My heart sank as I worked my way
through the crosstables and rating histories, and I'm
quite saddened now.
PS - I don't know if there are other people who did
things like this back in the 1990s, before the excellent
efforts of people like Mike Nolan and Gary Prince brought
all this data to us via the web, but this would be a
good time for anyone else in a position of trust to
'fess up, too. (And no, I don't see any serious issue
regarding Mr. Bauer's 5-point rating gain that Mr. Sloan
refers to, no matter how much anyone wants to raise dust
about it. Mr. Bauer's MSA history clearly demonstrates that
his rating reflects steady performance at and near the
2300 level.)
_________________
Hal Bogner
hal@chessmagnet.com
http://www.ChessMagnetSchool.com
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2006-11-19, 8:33 pm |
| ALL HONORABLE MEN
Robert Tanner is a member of our FIDE "team,"
who has repeatedly sold us out to FIDE. He is no more
trustworthy now than when he manipulated tournaments
for rating gain.
Duncan Oxley wrote:
quote:
> "The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
> Neil, sadly it just *may* be true. Have a look at was posted today
> by Hal Bogner. I took a cursory look and have not been able
> to connect the dots quite so easily. I'll have to look a little closer
> later tonight but Bogner seems to be convinced. I'm curious, does
> anyone else see a smoking gun here?
>
> --Duncan
>
> ------
> hmb 10062225
> Joined: 29 Jun 2006
> Posts: 5
> Location: Half Moon Bay, California
>
> Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:45 am
> Post subject: Status of Complaint(s)
> ------
> tanstaafl wrote:
> Given how little factual basis there has been when
> Mr. Sloan has gone on the record with a charge of
> wrong-doing, I wonder what kind of basis we
> should assume when he *declines* to make a
> specific charge!
>
> My guess is that nobody would take him
> seriously anyway.
> ------
>
> Well, Tan, in this case, I suggest that you ignore
> the back-and-forths of these present and past
> board members, and look instead at what appears to
> me to be some shocking public data from the Member
> Services Area (MSA).
>
> I happened to look, and there appears to be a series
> of contrived tournaments involving an apparently
> closed group of players (who may also be contrived),
> which resulted in steady gains of rating from the
> 2159 to 2319 by Robert Tanner, during the period
> February 1992 through January 1993 (plus one cameo
> appearance in 1997). There is nothing confidential
> about this data, and it's fully documented as to
> dates, places, affiliates, TDs, etc. Here are some of
> the relevant URLs; I suggest that you view this while
> sitting down, and have smelling salts at hand:
>
> Robert Tanner's rating history can be found in the
> MSA at:
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?10495334
>
> The most intriguing of the apparently made-up players,
> and his tournament history, is here:
>
> 12570599: MILAN DJIATLICH
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12570599
>
> Robert Tanner's 12-month ascent from 2153 to 2319 starts
> in section 2 of this event, the aptly named
> "IT'S A GAMBLE":
>
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain...123240-12570599
>
> ...and culminates in this event, "INT'L FAREWELL OF FRIENDS":
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain...114260-10495334
>
> If anyone is interested and has the time, clicking around
> through the rating histories and events of this closed
> circle of players is somewhere between fascinating and
> horrifying.
>
> Unless there is some evidence to refute what appears to
> be prima facie evidence here of rating manipulation,
> I can only conclude with great disappointment that this
> man who many of us know and respect went horribly
> wrong for a time, and has hidden and had built upon
> this foundation ever since.
>
> Today, we find him as the trusted Executive Board member who
> served as liason to Erik Anderson and AF4C as the current US
> Championship plans were constructed; who represents USCF in
> FIDE (now as Zonal President, and incredibly, as a member of
> FIDE's Ethics Commission, too - see
> http://www.fide.com/official/officials.asp?f=31)
> ; as well as a Board member and formerly a member of the
> Scholastic Council, and who is noth an NTD and an
> International Arbiter.
>
> All politics aside, the degree of violation of trust that
> has occurred here is unprecedented. I'm a life master and
> an IA, and I'm seriously offended. I suspect that the
> Scholastic Council, the TDCC, many Masters, and those
> members of the FIDE Ethics Commission who deserve respect,
> will be, too - along with many other chess players.
>
> We've all no doubt made mistakes in our lives (certainly
> I have), but abusing official powers and privileges is
> something that must be dealt with harshly, for the good
> of the organization and the game.
>
> I'm sorry to have to break this data here, but what can
> one say? I've known, liked, trusted and respected Robert,
> as many of us have. My heart sank as I worked my way
> through the crosstables and rating histories, and I'm
> quite saddened now.
>
> PS - I don't know if there are other people who did
> things like this back in the 1990s, before the excellent
> efforts of people like Mike Nolan and Gary Prince brought
> all this data to us via the web, but this would be a
> good time for anyone else in a position of trust to
> 'fess up, too. (And no, I don't see any serious issue
> regarding Mr. Bauer's 5-point rating gain that Mr. Sloan
> refers to, no matter how much anyone wants to raise dust
> about it. Mr. Bauer's MSA history clearly demonstrates that
> his rating reflects steady performance at and near the
> 2300 level.)
> _________________
> Hal Bogner
> hal@chessmagnet.com
> http://www.ChessMagnetSchool.com
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| Chess One 2006-11-19, 8:33 pm |
| Surely you can't stonewall an ethics decision, or why have an ethics
committee if there are no consequences?
Here is another castle built in the dark with very uncertain foundations. Is
this news item still blacked-out by USCF? You really can't fix the dark side
of things unless you let some light in, so it will now be interesting to see
the board's reaction, or if they will try to fix it in the dark - or even
just ignore it!
Phil Innes
<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1163735272.651043.123680@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> ALL HONORABLE MEN
>
> Robert Tanner is a member of our FIDE "team,"
> who has repeatedly sold us out to FIDE. He is no more
> trustworthy now than when he manipulated tournaments
> for rating gain.
>
> Duncan Oxley wrote:
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Chess One wrote:
quote:
> Surely you can't stonewall an ethics decision, or why have an ethics
> committee if there are no consequences?
quote:
> Here is another castle built in the dark with very uncertain foundations. Is
> this news item still blacked-out by USCF? You really can't fix the dark side
> of things unless you let some light in, so it will now be interesting to see
> the board's reaction, or if they will try to fix it in the dark - or even
> just ignore it!
>
> Phil Innes
Lets hope this ethics commitee operates more honestly than an ethics
committee of another organization involving chess.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:1163735272.651043.123680@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
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| The Historian 2006-11-19, 8:33 pm |
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Duncan Oxley wrote:
quote:
> "The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
> Neil, sadly it just *may* be true. Have a look at was posted today
> by Hal Bogner. I took a cursory look and have not been able
> to connect the dots quite so easily. I'll have to look a little closer
> later tonight but Bogner seems to be convinced. I'm curious, does
> anyone else see a smoking gun here?
>
> --Duncan
It looks like the MSA may expose Tanner as easily as it exposed Bachler.
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