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| John Evans 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
| My first post on this topic got some good dialogue going and I actually
learned about some problems on other chess servers. I hope you like this
post as well. Now if you have something specific to say on the topic leave
comment on the article site so people who don't read news groups can see
what you have to say.
http://growwithchess.com/2006/11/ch...tte-part-2.html
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Thanks,
John
http://growwithchess.com/
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| dajava 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
| Hi,
John Evans wrote:
quote:
> My first post on this topic got some good dialogue going and I actually
> learned about some problems on other chess servers. I hope you like this
> post as well. Now if you have something specific to say on the topic leave
> comment on the article site so people who don't read news groups can see
> what you have to say.
>
> http://growwithchess.com/2006/11/ch...tte-part-2.html
>
> --
> Thanks,
> John
> http://growwithchess.com/
1.
quote:
>From http://growwithchess.com/1392.html
"My Chess Career.....
- snip -
If you find yourself on the US Chess Live server look for PapaDragon
(that's me) and I'll gladly play you a game. "
I got this message when I clicked on US Chess Live
"Site not found: cl"
Is it because I am not a US citizen? 
2.
quote:
>From http://growwithchess.com/
"Chess is a sea in which a gnat may drink and an elephant may bathe"
-- INDIAN PROVERB
Which Indian? American Indian in Arizona?
As for a chess opening like Indian Opening, which Indian at all?
I thought that it is after Asian Indian where Hinduists live
but, a book I read argues that it is from American Indian
and American Indians use the same - or similiar- military strategies.
What do you say of it?
dajava,
who is not a US citizen and cannot access US Chess Live
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| John Evans 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
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--
Thanks,
John
http://growwithchess.com/
"dajava" <dajava@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1162640218.983498.148870@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Hi,
>
>
> John Evans wrote:
>
>
> 1.
>
>
> "My Chess Career.....
>
>
> - snip -
>
> If you find yourself on the US Chess Live server look for PapaDragon
>
> (that's me) and I'll gladly play you a game. "
>
> I got this message when I clicked on US Chess Live
>
>
> "Site not found: cl"
>
> Is it because I am not a US citizen?
>
>
>
> 2.
>
> "Chess is a sea in which a gnat may drink and an elephant may bathe"
>
> -- INDIAN PROVERB
>
> Which Indian? American Indian in Arizona?
>
> As for a chess opening like Indian Opening, which Indian at all?
>
> I thought that it is after Asian Indian where Hinduists live
> but, a book I read argues that it is from American Indian
> and American Indians use the same - or similiar- military strategies.
> What do you say of it?
>
> dajava,
> who is not a US citizen and cannot access US Chess Live
>
Hi Dajava,
Thanks for looking at my site! As for the US Chess Live Link, the entire
site appears to be down. If you want to play on the server you can download
the software from
http://www.download.com/U-S-Chess-L...-10198493.html. Hope this
helps.
Now for the quote. Its from a book I read and it was talking about chess in
India so I'm assuming its Hindu. Chess origins is credited with that area so
I always liked it, but I think the source of the quote is less important
than the meaning. Hope to see you online and please visit my site again.
I like talking about this subject so keep the questions coming.
--
Thanks,
John
http://growwithchess.com/
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| dajava 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
|
John Evans wrote:
quote:
> --
> Thanks,
> John
> http://growwithchess.com/
> "dajava" <dajava@operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162640218.983498.148870@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hi Dajava,
- snip-
quote:
> Now for the quote. Its from a book I read and it was talking about chess in
> India so I'm assuming its Hindu. Chess origins is credited with that area so
> I always liked it, but I think the source of the quote is less important
> than the meaning. Hope to see you online and please visit my site again.
>
I think the book I read arguing that *Indian* is named after American
Indian is wrong.
I just wanted to know if you have some other references on the subject.
Not important, in fact. Thanks anyway.
quote:
> I like talking about this subject so keep the questions coming.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> John
> http://growwithchess.com/
dajava,
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| Taylor Kingston 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
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On Nov 4, 2:41 pm, "dajava" <daj...@operamail.com> wrote:
quote:
> I think the book I read arguing that *Indian* is named after American
> Indian is wrong.
What book is that? The author is badly misinformed. The term "Indian
Defense" came into vogue in the 1920s, partly due to a book by
Tartakower, "Indisch" (1924), which dealt with 1.d4 Nf6. The term
"Indian Opening" goes back at least to 1862, when it was given to the
line 1.e4 e5 2.d3, played at a London tournament by Valentine Green,
who had just returned from India, according to the Oxford Companion.
The term eventually came to mean mainly fianchetto openings. As R.N.
Coles explained in "Dynamic Chess" (1956): "The name Indian was given
to these openings because, like the R=E9ti System, they frequently made
use of the fianchettoed Bishop, a development which had been a
favourite with Indian players brought up in the slower and more
indirect school of Oriental chess."
So the term refers to Asian India, the probable birthplace of chess,
not to American Indians.
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| Arfur Million 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
| "John Evans" <johnrevans@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%nT2h.371$q45.105@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
quote:
> My first post on this topic got some good dialogue going and I actually
> learned about some problems on other chess servers. I hope you like this
> post as well. Now if you have something specific to say on the topic leave
> comment on the article site so people who don't read news groups can see
> what you have to say.
>
> http://growwithchess.com/2006/11/ch...tte-part-2.html
>
In most leagues and tournaments that I'm aware of (in England), the ringing
of a mobile phone during play automatically forfeits the game for the
offending player - is that not the case where you play?
Regards,
Arfur
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| help bot 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
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dajava wrote:
quote:
> "Chess is a sea in which a gnat may drink and an elephant may bathe"
>
> -- INDIAN PROVERB
>
> Which Indian? American Indian in Arizona?
>
> As for a chess opening like Indian Opening, which Indian at all?
>
> I thought that it is after Asian Indian where Hinduists live
> but, a book I read argues that it is from American Indian
> and American Indians use the same - or similiar- military strategies.
> What do you say of it?
I say that book's author was likely a misinformed infidel.
The American Indians had no knowledge of chess, while
the Indians in India (a marked similarity of name) were
into it like a clam in a shell. Likewise, American Indians
had no knowledge of "elephants", although they might
have known stories about wolly mammoths and such.
BTW, the term "sea" generally refers to a large body
of *salt* water, and as such it is not a good idea for
knats to drink therefrom. You see, salt is practically
the antithesis of water in one's body.
One more thing: bathing in salt water (or drinking it)
is *not* a military strategy. Sheesh. A "military
strategy" would be more like riding around in a big
circle while waving rifles in the air, until one by one
you are all shot off your ponies by the White men
who have cleverly circled their wagons to provide
cover. You see, the American Indians were all dumb,
and they never realised that the movie was going to
end with them being defeated every time in the same
way. The only consolation is that these few remaining
dumb Indians were assured steady jobs as movie
extras. A better strategy would have been to drive
straight into the White men's circle of wagons, dumping
barrels full of salt water on them. Some of the salt
would likely have splashed into their eyes, temporarily
binding them so the Indians could then steal their
whiskey (which is all they lived for, apparently, aside
from massacering innocent White settlers). Then as
now, decent script writers are hard to find.
-- Hollywood bot
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| John Evans 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
| In America they threaten to forfeit the game, but I've never seen it
enforced.
--
Thanks,
John
http://growwithchess.com/
"Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "John Evans" <johnrevans@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:%nT2h.371$q45.105@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> In most leagues and tournaments that I'm aware of (in England), the
> ringing of a mobile phone during play automatically forfeits the game for
> the offending player - is that not the case where you play?
>
> Regards,
> Arfur
>
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| n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net 2006-11-19, 8:31 pm |
| "Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
> "John Evans" <johnrevans@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> In most leagues and tournaments that I'm aware of (in England), the
> ringing of a mobile phone during play automatically forfeits the game for
> the offending player - is that not the case where you play?
On the golf course, in amateur tournaments or casual games, the ringing or
use of a cell phone within hearing of one's co-competitors will cause an
extended series of strongly negative comments, not always in the usually
polite terms, and is generally sufficient to cause a change in behavior. I
don't know the rules in professional tournaments.
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"Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "John Evans" <johnrevans@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:%nT2h.371$q45.105@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> In most leagues and tournaments that I'm aware of (in England), the
> ringing of a mobile phone during play automatically forfeits the game for
> the offending player - is that not the case where you play?
>
> Regards,
> Arfur
>
This is only true in fide rated tournies - not bcf tournies.
Regards
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| Arfur Million 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
| "Terry" <terry@tbean.freeserve.REMco.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
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> "Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xla3h.818$TH3.143@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
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> This is only true in fide rated tournies - not bcf tournies.
>
It is also true in the local team leagues that I play in (with certain
exceptions for match captains) which are not Fide rated. Perhaps it's
something that is adopted on a regional basis.
Regards,
Arfur
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"Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "Terry" <terry@tbean.freeserve.REMco.uk> wrote in message
> news:lKOdnaIWocILn9PYRVnyhg@giganews.com...
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> It is also true in the local team leagues that I play in (with certain
> exceptions for match captains) which are not Fide rated. Perhaps it's
> something that is adopted on a regional basis.
>
> Regards,
> Arfur
>
This sounds like a local rule. I would object very strongly if a game I lost
in this way was sent for grading. The BCF does not recognise a game lost in
this way.
So- how can they grade it ????
Regards
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| Dr A. N. Walker 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
| In article <Kbydnfq707G0q83YnZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Terry <terry@tbean.freeserve.REMco.uk> wrote:
quote:
>"Arfur Million" <arfur_million@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:x1M3h.14256$163.5672@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>This sounds like a local rule.
Actually, it's a "local rule" if this does *not* happen.
quote:
> I would object very strongly if a game I lost
>in this way was sent for grading. The BCF does not recognise a game lost in
>this way.
Yes it does. See "http://www.englishchess.org.uk", and note
that the link to "Laws of Chess" takes you to a local copy of the FIDE
Laws, inc 12.2b ["... If a player' mobile phone rings in the playing
venue during play, that player shall lose the game. ..."]. If you had
your way, you could improve your rating by having a spectator ring you
whenever you were about to resign.
--
Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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"Dr A. N. Walker" <anw@maths.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
> In article <Kbydnfq707G0q83YnZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Terry <terry@tbean.freeserve.REMco.uk> wrote:
>
> Actually, it's a "local rule" if this does *not* happen.
>
>
> Yes it does. See "http://www.englishchess.org.uk", and note
> that the link to "Laws of Chess" takes you to a local copy of the FIDE
> Laws, inc 12.2b ["... If a player' mobile phone rings in the playing
> venue during play, that player shall lose the game. ..."]. If you had
> your way, you could improve your rating by having a spectator ring you
> whenever you were about to resign.
>
This only applies to fide rated tournies.
Regards
ps I could be wrong of course :-)
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| Dr A. N. Walker 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
| In article <x-SdncUp6szvCc3YnZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Terry <terry@tbean.freeserve.REMco.uk> wrote:
quote:
>"Dr A. N. Walker" <anw@maths.nott.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:eiq1v0$nr9$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk...
["Arfur Million":]
quote:
>This only applies to fide rated tournies.
No, it applies to any game played according to the official
"Laws of Chess". Most national federations [principally, of course,
except the USA] take those laws at least as the starting point.
--
Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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| Ralf Callenberg 2006-11-19, 8:32 pm |
| 07.11.2006 14:33, Dr A. N. Walker:
quote:
> If you had
> your way, you could improve your rating by having a spectator ring you
> whenever you were about to resign.
Bad luck, such a game will be rated as usual.
Greetings,
Ralf
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