quote:

---

>I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
> counted in the USCF election.
>
> Is this true?
>
> My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
> believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
> cast for the "Success Team".
>
> It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
> possibly 5th to 7th.

quote:

---

> Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?
>
> Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
> counted in the USCF election.
>
> Is this true?
>
> My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
> believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
> cast for the "Success Team".
>
> It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
> possibly 5th to 7th.
>
> Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?
>
> Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
>counted in the USCF election.

quote:

---

>I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
>counted in the USCF election.
>
>Is this true?
>
>My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
>believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
>cast for the "Success Team".
>
>It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
>possibly 5th to 7th.
>
>Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?
>
>Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>I don't know about hand-written ballots, but I received a ballot directly
>from USCF since my membership had temporarily expired (by the way, I have
>still not received CL). I believe I was told that my ballot would be counted
>provisionally. That is, if it made a difference (in a tight race) its
>validity might be challenged. As you know the race was not close, so the
>point was moot.

quote:

---

>
>
>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:42f038d6.44716421@ca.news.verio.net...
>

quote:

---

> I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
> counted in the USCF election.
>
> Is this true?
>
> My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
> believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
> cast for the "Success Team".
>
> It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
> possibly 5th to 7th.
>
> Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?
>
> Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>Greetings all!
>
>Considering the wide margin between 4th and 5th places and the "few
>hundred" hand-written ballots, any discussion about this is irrelevant
>... 5th place and last place have equal value.
>
>John McCumiskey

quote:

---

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>How do you define 'hand-written ballot'? All counted ballots were on
>the ballot forms printed and mailed by the USCF.
>--
>Mike Nolan

quote:

---

>On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:29:41 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
>wrote:
>
>
>Yes, you are exactly right. Remember that I offered you as many votes
>as you might need? But apparently you wanted to lose.
>
>As you know the same phenomenon occurs in Chess - and, of course, in
>Roulette and other pure games of chance: The player gets his kicks by
>losing, not by winning.
>
>So I wrote out 500 votes for those of your opponents who have a better
>grasp on reality. These balölots aren't actually hand-written. I used
>a laser printer and the forms are nearly indistingushable from the
>real thing.

quote:

---

>I have heard that there were some hand-written ballots cast and
> counted in the USCF election.
>
> Is this true?
>
> My source does not know how many such ballots there were, but he
> believes that there were a few hundred and almost all of them were
> cast for the "Success Team".
>
> It these are not counted then I would move up from 8th place to
> possibly 5th to 7th.
>
> Does anybody know? Will anybody say anything about this?
>
> Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>Is it or is it not true that there are a number, perhaps several
>hundred, questionable or provisional ballots?

quote:

---

>I'd demand an immediate recount of both legitimate and illegitimate votes.
>Fortunately, I'm not a member, so I don't have to worry about who gets to
>steal/waste the membership money for the next couple of years.
>
>--
>Irvin
>-------------------------
>http://www.pixel69.com

quote:

---

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>I thought you were talking about hand-written ballots? Please define your
>terms.
>--
>Mike Nolan

quote:

---

> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:27:25 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
> <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote:
>
>
> Finally somebody who understands the Principles of Democracy, by means
> of which organizations such as Tammany Hall ran, and run, cities and
> States: The simple, single voter and his vote never makes a
> difference.
>
>

quote:

---

> I have since heard that after the ballot count was finished, Pete
> Tamburo and Roger English spent several hours pulling out and batching
> several hundred questionable ballots. I have been told that the
> delegates will be called upon to rule on whether these ballots count
> or not.

quote:

---

>I prefer the John Birch society's old saw about democracy: Two wolves and a
>lamb deciding what's for dinner.

quote:

---

> Also, one board member, Tim Hanke, has gone missing since February 10
> and the delegates could take action such as remove him or even expel
> him. Several persons have even suggested that Beatriz Marinello could
> be expelled from the USCF by the delegates.

quote:

---

>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
>Especially given the fact these two Executive Board members were
>elected directly by the USCF membership, the Board of Delegates has no
>power of recall, and no power to expel a member (they only handle
>appeals), and there is no pending action, SFAIK, against these members
>by either the Ethics Committee or the Executive Board, I do not see how
>the 2005 Board of Delegates would have the power do this. Nor, do I
>think there is any chance they would this even if they were to have the
>power, which SFAIK they do not.
>
>[SNIP]
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John

quote:

---

> Also, one board member, Tim Hanke, has gone missing since February 10
> and the delegates could take action such as remove him or even expel
> him. Several persons have even suggested that Beatriz Marinello could
> be expelled from the USCF by the delegates.

quote:

---

> The term I heard was hand-written ballots. That term may not be
> accurate.

quote:

---

>I have since heard that after the ballot count was finished, Pete
>Tamburo and Roger English spent several hours pulling out and batching
>several hundred questionable ballots. I have been told that the
>delegates will be called upon to rule on whether these ballots count
>or not.

quote:

---

>There have been numerous cases where members have been suspended. Mike
>Nolan, Roman Dzindzichashvilli and Stan Vaughan were all suspended I
>believe. (Roman might have been expelled). The reasons were relatively
>trivial.

quote:

---

> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:32:21 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
> <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mencken: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what
> they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
>

quote:

---

> LOL! Do you REALLY expect an immediate correction of Sam's factual
> error, Mike? )

quote:

---

>LOL! Do you REALLY expect an immediate correction of Sam's factual
>error, Mike? )
>
>Bruce

quote:

---

>Bruce, I am sure that you remember very well that Mike was suspended.

quote:

---

>Why don't you tell the rest of us why he was suspended and what he was
>suspended from?

quote:

---

>I am susprised that Mike did not just let this one pass.

quote:

---

>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:42f06c72.57927859@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
>Not true. He's participated in most conference calls and attended, by phone,
>the Minneapolis meeting in May.
>
>

quote:

---

> Sam,
>
> To accuse anyone of election fraud when you were there watching and being
> informed when you walked in as to what we were doing and being able to ask
> questions is why people don't find you credible. As I explained in my email to
> you there were 269 ballots where the uscf member had to fill in his info where
> the printer did not put his name, address, etc. I gave you the vote totals as
> well. If the delegates decide not to count them, that's their prerogative. I
> gave my reasons why I decided to count them in my report to them. . It was my
> decision based on input from other people there, which did differ, in
> varying degrees. I am, however, offended my your insinuation.
>
> Pete Tamburro

quote:

---

>Isn't it amazing that if they didn't support your nominations that they
>must want people who are anti-Sam Sloan?
>
>Of course that characterizes MOST sane USCF people interested in
>politics at the present time, but that's a matter for another thread.

quote:

---

>So, do you still believe the Crossville deal is dead and that USCF will
>not build the building? Are you willing to publicly predict that the
>new Board will welch out of staying in Crossville?

quote:

---

>Thus, it seems that Mike Nolan and his gang were not happy with the
>way this 2005 election was counted and wants a different and anti-Sam
>Sloan Group to count the ballots in next years election.

quote:

---

>Sam Sloan

quote:

---

>I didn't ask if we were legally obligated to stay there. I asked if
>you were willing to predict publicly that the Crossville deal is "dead"
>and that USCF's board will move out of Crossville on their own
>initiative?

quote:

---

> Isn't it amazing that if they didn't support your nominations that they
> must want people who are anti-Sam Sloan?

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

> More baloney from Sam.

quote:

---

>
> Maybe you are just all anti-semitic. That seems to be part of the problem
> that you all have with Sam Sloan.

quote:

---

>
>Mike Nolan wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
>I absolute agreement with your assessment.
>
>The primary problem I (and not doubt others) had with Sam Sloan's
>nominations was they were for two people who had no idea that they were
>being nominated. They had not been asked if they wished to run or if
>elected if they could or would serve.
>
>This raises a point of order question, what does Robert's Rules have to
>say about nominations in this context? Is it permissible to nominate
>someone without their knowledge or permission, and with no assurance
>that they can or will serve if elected?
>
>What was decided was there would be a vote on the four nominees, and if
>that failed, additional nominees would be accepted, and there would be
>a secret, paper ballot to decide the four committee members. But, as
>fully expected, the four nominees were accepted by a nearly unanimous
>vote, and plan B was moot.
>
>[SNIP]
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John

quote:

---

>The problem we all have is that this item was a major by-laws change
>and was NOT announced on the advance agenda.

quote:

---

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>More baloney from Sam. See ADM 05-25 on page 16 of the 2005 Delegates Call.
>--
>Mike Nolan

quote:

---

> Tamburro did a good job but obviously Beatriz Marinello was not happy
> with the result especially because her slate lost by a 2-1 margin.
> Stan Booz, the spokesman for Beatriz, accused a member of the counting
> committee of "book cooking".

quote:

---

>Yes. But you made a big change. In the version published in the
>delegates call, the USCF Secretary was a member of the Election
>Committee.

quote:

---

>This was an attack on Don Schultz, the USCF Secretary, who was
>attacked by Beatriz Marinello and Leroy Dubeck during the election
>campaign.

quote:

---

>On 18 Aug 2005 17:03:27 -0700, "Bruce" <bdraney@novia.net> wrote:
>
>
>Yes. I am willing to predict that the building will never be built.

quote:

---

>I suspect that what Mike Nolan & Co did was illegal or improper in
>some way. I would hope that somebody can research this question and
>see if this was proper.

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

> --

quote:

---

> "Mike Nolan" <> Not every change in the Bylaws is an attack on someone, Sam.
>
> Yeah but this one is, anti-semite.

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

> "Niemand" <> Sloan is Jewish? I seem to recall reading that he is or was a
> Muslim.
>
> That is just anti-semitic propaganda to justify the anti-semitic attacks.

quote:

---

> "They probably thought I was Jewish, as many people think that.
> Actually, I
> was raised as an Episcopalian, as my father was, but I became Muslim in
> 1977." -- Sam Sloan, 2004
> So it would seem Sam is neither Jewish by birth, nor by conversion.
> How then can he be a target of anti-Semitism?

quote:

---

>
> Muslims are a Semitic people.

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

>
>Muslims are a Semitic people.

quote:

---

> "Niemand" <If Sam Sloan is not a Jew, he cannot be considered a target of
> anti-Semitism, any more than an Italian is the target of "No Irish need
> apply."
> Not if you think he is a Jew, and you attack him for his Jewishness even if
> he is Muslim. You are a closet anti-semite. You fear to attack actual Jews,
> so you attack people that have traditionally Jewish names. You are the worst
> kind of anti-semite.

quote:

---

> Scottish/Northern Irish origin, an Anglicized version of the Gaelic
> "Sluaghadhan."
>

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

>
> How can anyone be a chess player and use such incredibly bad logic?

quote:

---

> it is of Scottish/Northern Irish origin, an
> Anglicized version of the Gaelic "Sluaghadhan."

quote:

---

>"Ed Seedhouse" <> How can anyone be a chess player and use such incredibly
>bad logic?

quote:

---

>That's not logic,

quote:

---

>it is a fact that all those people who have been killing
>each other off for centuries in the Middle-East are basically within the
>same ethnic group. Supposedly Muslims were one of the tribes of Israel,
>there were 12 tribes.

quote:

---

> "Niemand" <niemand@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1124649991.370625.312910@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> You are truly a bottomless pit of knowledge.

quote:

---

>Catalan wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Thanks, Stan, but that was not difficult. Just do a web search on
>"etymology of last names" or some similar phrase, and you can find
>several relevant sites.

quote:

---

> Taylor

quote:

---

> Did you just slip up and confuse your personae ?

quote:

---

>
> Thanks, Stan, but that was not difficult. Just do a web search on
> "etymology of last names" or some similar phrase, and you can find
> several relevant sites.

quote:

---

> I just always knew he was a slug, I just dinna know how to prove it.

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

>
> Catalan wrote:
>
> Stan -- "slug"? In this context your meaning escapes me.

quote:

---

> "Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote in message
> news:1124674805.334939.303970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sluaghadhan- Isn't this saying he had a slug in hand?

quote:

---

>

quote:

---

>
> "Catalan" <> Sluaghadhan- Isn't this saying he had a slug in hand?
> And you have to explain it??? What kind of joke needs an explanation?

quote:

---

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>That is not correct. My USCF membership was never suspended. I expect
>an immediate correction of your factual error.
>--
>Mike Nolan

quote:

---

>So, anyway, I apologize for implying that Mike Nolan was ever
>suspended from membership in the USCF. Mike Nolan was merely suspended
>from directing chess tournaments rated by the USCF. The suspension was
>in effect for about three years. Ironically, Tom Dorsch, an arch-enemy
>of Mike Nolan who was the strongest advocate for suspending Mike Nolan
>in the first place, was also the person who asked that the suspension
>be lifted about three years later.

quote:

---

>::irrelevant crossposts deleted::
>
>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>Tom Dorsch had absolutely nothing to do with my being suspended as a TD,
>as it occurred several years before he was elected to the Policy Board.
>
>You can't even get your facts right on your 'apology', Sam.
>--
>Mike Nolan