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> Randy Bauer has not posted since June 23.

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>
>
>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> Are you sure about that, Sam? I find posts purporting to be from
>Bauer dated July 12 and 13. Perhaps he uses more than one e-mail
>address?
>

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> George John has never been elected to anything

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> In a message dated 7/18/2005 7:37:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>sloan@ishipress.com writes: George John has never been elected to
>anything and has never held a position of decision-making authority within the
>USCF.

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>George is a very well respected chess official in Texas. He is also the President of Texas Chess.
>I have been to Texas many times in the past few years and everyone says many good things about him.
> You may or may not like George but current problems of the USCF has
>nothing to do with him. The problems were created solely by Beatriz and
>her key advisors.

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> At 11:31 PM 7/18/2005 EDT, ChessMarketing@aol.com wrote:
within the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
President of Texas Chess.[vbcol=seagreen]
many good things about him.[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
> Dear Paul Truong,
>
> You are unfamiliar with this history. George John caused terrible
> problems for the USCF during the period 1999-2001. You were not around
> during that time so you do not know anything about it. Fortunately,
> George John was defeated when he ran for election in 2001. Had he been
> elected, the USCF would probably be out of business now.
>
> George John is a fraud, a fake, a charlitan. The fact that he refuses
> to answer even the most basic questions about his background
> demonstrates this.
>
> Sam Sloan

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> Meanwhile, I have established that Stan Booz has not posted since July
> 9.

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>
>
>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn't be too sure about that either, Sam.
>

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>On 19 Jul 2005 06:05:35 -0700, "Niemand" <niemand@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
>OK. I give up. Tell me where.
>
>Please note that a fake poster has been posting as StanB. That is not
>the real Stan, unless the real Stan is the fake poster, which is
>possible.
>
>Sam Sloan

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>The whole world knows that Catalan is Stan Booz.
>
>The Smart Sam Sloan
>

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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:49:54 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
>
> Sloan, you are an abject fool and a dung beetle.
>
> Try to understand that it doesn't matter in the slightest whether any
> particular message comes from a 'fake Sam Sloan' or a 'real Sam
> Sloan'. If the message is of interest it is irrelevant who originated
> it. If it isn't of interest then it also doesn't matter who originated
> it. In fact, it doesn't matter whether a dung beetle named Sam Sloan
> exists at all. You vastly overestimate your importance.

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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:49:54 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
>
> Sloan, you are an abject fool and a dung beetle.
>
> Try to understand that it doesn't matter in the slightest whether any
> particular message comes from a 'fake Sam Sloan' or a 'real Sam
> Sloan'. If the message is of interest it is irrelevant who originated
> it. If it isn't of interest then it also doesn't matter who originated
> it. In fact, it doesn't matter whether a dung beetle named Sam Sloan
> exists at all. You vastly overestimate your importance.

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> At 11:31 PM 7/18/2005 EDT, ChessMarketing@aol.com wrote:

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>

A minor correction: I am the President of the Texas Chess Association
(see: http://www.texaschess.org)

[SNIP][vbcol=seagreen]
> Fortunately,
> George John was defeated when he ran for election in 2001.

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>
> Among the group that lost, only Sam Sloan and I are running again. I
> am a member of the USChessSuccess team, too, and enjoy the endorsement
> of President Marinello, as well as many others including at least two
> past USCF Presidents. SFAIK, Sam Sloan has received no endorsements
> from any USCF President, past or present, or anyone who currently holds
> an elected chess governance position.
>
> There are many who are vehemently opposed to his being elected or
> having any leadership role in USCF governance, including me. I do
> appreciate those who spoke out so strongly and persistently against Sam
> Sloan. We have many uninformed voters. Hopefully, your getting the
> word out helped them avoid make what I think would be a huge mistake.
>
> As for Sam Sloan's comments about me, they are, IMO, pure fantasy.
> They have been rebutted in detail many times in the past. I see no
> need to do so again.
>
> To end on a more positive note, I think we have eight qualified
> candidates. I wish them all the best. Regardless of the outcome of
> the election, I intend to continue working as a volunteer in support of
> the USCF and chess. I hope everyone else will do the same. It has
> been an interesting run. Thanks to all of you who have supported me on
> rgcp and elsewhere. Your support and kind words have been greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> George John
>

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> Sam Sloan is invaluable as a gadfly. He will get everyone mad at him
> and then the rest of you will be cooperating with one another.

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>Comparing results to the person who won the most votes (Steve Shutt),
>my result is about 78% of his. Sam Sloan's is about 9%. For every
>vote Sam Sloan received, I received about nine. I think the 2001 USCF
>Electors assessment of Sam Sloan was correct. Hopefully, the 2005 USCF
>Voting Members will reach a similar conclusion.

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>
>Best regards,
>
>George John

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>
>If you don't think it matters who posted a message, then why do you use
>pseudonyms?

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> It is widely predicted that George John will finish dead last this
> time.

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> He seems to have no support at all.

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>
>
>Isn't that a question that answers itself?
>
>However, I don't use a pseudonym at all - my name is Jürgen R. - and
>even my email address is genuine.

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>While I do not know how I will finish, I have been very pleased by the
>support and good wishes I have received. Some were not anticipated.
>One of my favorites came from someone whose picture made it to the
>cover of the latest Parade magazine.
>
>See http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/200...n-of-chess.html
>
>[SNIP]
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John

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> It is not clear when Stan Booz last posted,
> because some fake person has been posting under his name.

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> Meanwhile, I have established that Stan Booz has not posted since July
> 9.

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>
> Please note that a fake poster has been posting as StanB. That is not
> the real Stan, unless the real Stan is the fake poster, which is
> possible.

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> The whole world knows that Catalan is Stan Booz.
>
> The Smart Sam Sloan

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>
> The endorsement by Susan is dated June 1, 2005. That was before the
> Natrol Deal became public.

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> Susan perhaps does not yet
> realize that you supported the Natrol Deal and therefore you should be
> banned.

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>

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>
> Very thankfully, the relationship was restricted to one tournament
> event and a single e-mail "blast". While her response was much

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> than I had wished, President Marinello acknowledged the deal was a
> mistake and assumed sole responsibility for it. To her credit the

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> stopped with her. I wish all of our other chess leaders would do

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> same rather than point their fingers at others.
>

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>
>On 18 Jul 2005 17:17:00 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
><tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:
>
>
>Yes. You are right and I stand corrected.
>
>There are two, one from July 12 and one from July 13, Both are from
>"Randy Bauer" randybauer2300@yahoo.com which is not the email address
>he most often uses. Those are the only two postings by him since June
>23.
>
>I suspect that this has to do with the fact that he is leaving his
>government job and getting a new job.
>

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> Actually Shaughnessy's picture was on the Natrol
> website so it is highly likely that she was aware of
> the deal.

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> In that case, for Marinello to "assume sole
> responsibility" is simply dishonest, not something to
> applaud.

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> I believe that you were not in favor of the deal,

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> but
> taking on the role as the apologist for this misconduct
> says a lot about your standards.

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>

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>
> I do *not* believe I am being an apologist for the Natrol deal. I

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> to see the good along with the bad. It has been all too rare for

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> USCF leaders to take responsibility for their errors and publicly
> acknowledge them. Given at all the excuses and finger pointing I

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> seen over the past many years, I see nothing wrong at all with

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> out good behavior along with the bad.
>

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> It's not good behavior if the objective is to deflect
> responsibility from an ally standing for election.

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>
> Your concern over the timing of when
> board members learned of the deal makes no
> sense. That would only make sense if you
> supported the endorsement and objected
> only to the process by which Marinello
> made the deal.

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>
> It was procedurally wrong for Marinello
> to enter into the deal without board approval,
> of course,

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> but it was also a monumentally
> bad deal.

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> Shaughnessy should have
> understood that even if she had no prior
> involvement, just as you, Randy Bauer and
> even Sam Sloan have.

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>
> Actually Shaughnessy's picture was on the Natrol
> website so it is highly likely that she was aware of
> the deal. In that case, for Marinello to "assume sole
> responsibility" is simply dishonest, not something to
> applaud.

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>
> Those of us who know the real you know that you are not a nice guy.
> You are incredibly arrogant and a crass opportunist.

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>Bond Buyer Magazine
>Posted 7/05/05
>
>Budget Chief Joins PFM
>By Yvette Shields
>
>Iowa Budget Director Randy Bauer this week resigned from his post to take a
>private sector job at the financial advisory firm Public Financial Management
>Inc.
>
>Bauer held the position of budget director for the last six and a half years.
>He took the job after spending 10 years as a senior analyst on budget and tax
>issues for the Iowa Senate's Democratic staff.
>
>"I am very appreciative for Randy's dedicated service to the state of Iowa in a
>variety of capacities," said Gov. Tom Vilsack in a statement. "Despite
>challenging revenue growth in the past, he has helped us maintain fiscal
>integrity and a great bond rating for the state. I thank him for his service
>and wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors."
>
>According to Vilsack, Bauer ushered in many "innovative reforms" during his
>tenure, including a new budgeting policy called "purchasing results" that
>improved accountability for state government decisions. In addition, he helped
>craft the law that established the state's reserve funds.
>
>Based on generally accepted accounting principles, Iowa's general fund budget
>surplus grew to over $445 million in fiscal 2004 while neighboring states
>struggled with deficits. The state closed out fiscal 2005 with 5.9% growth in
>revenues and a reserve of about $365 million.
>
>Bauer will work in PFM's Des Moines office as a senior managing consultant in
>strategic management practice. "He will continue to work with governments at
>all levels on budget, planning, and management issues," according to the
>governor's news release.
>
>Joel Lunde, the fiscal policy principal, will serve as acting budget director
>until a permanent replacement is chosen.
>
>Iowa has no general obligation debt outstanding and carries issuer ratings of AA
>from Fitch Ratings, Aa1 from Moody's Investors Service, and AA-plus from
>Standard and Poor's.
>

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> Mahler and Bruckner.

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>
> I would agree with you if anywhere in this discussion it had been
> mentioned that someone running for election was involved in the

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> of the Natrol deal, but that is not true. Correct?

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> Off topic to chess.
>
> The Historian wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>
> Speaking of Mahler and Bruckner, I recently picked up a copy of the
> 1973 recording of the Bruckner 4th with Boehm and the Vienna
> Philharmonic on Decca Legends. Overall, this is absolutely the finest
> Bruckner 4th I have ever had the pleasure of hearing. The remastering
> is outstanding, too.

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> I totally lucked out during a quick vacation to New York City in May
> with the wife and heard Barenboim and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra
> perform the Mahler 9th in Carnegie Hall. They did an outstanding job
> with a most difficult work to pull off live, and Barenboim's
> interpretation was, IMHO, excellent. Being a huge fan of this work, I
> was in live music heaven.
>
> Best regards,
>
> George

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>On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:18:57 +0200, Jürgen R. <jurgenr@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>Yes. You do. You have posted as "Sam Sloan" at least four times.

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>
>Fortunately, your posts were not objectionable, unlike the very
>objectionable posts by "sloan @ journalist.com".
>
>Sam Sloan

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> Both Ms. Marinello and
> Shaughnessy supported the deal
> at some time. That is really the
> significant information.

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> That we don't know exactly who
> knew what when really only
> affects the spin.

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> I guess if you
> are the sort of naive person
> who can accept Ms. Marinello's
> "explanation" (i.e. she was
> working hard) I guess that might
> be important to you.

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> George John should be demanding answers to
> simple questions such as the above. His absence of
> curiosity is ... curious. Or, rather, not so curious.

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>On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:33:44 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
>wrote:

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[vbcol=seagreen]
>To be fair, this is one of the rare instances where your logical
>gyrations led to the correct deduction. Even you are right about one
>time out of five.

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>I thought for a moment that the best method to combat the flood of
>gibberish that you post would be for several people to post under your
>name for a while, so that nobody would know what came from you and
>what came from elsewhere. The fake Sloans don't even need to use a
>careful disguise because people won't normally take the trouble to
>trace the source.

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> Exact knowledge isn't a requirement. In our attempts to determine

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> on the board should be held accountable for *making* (not supporting

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> post facto!) this deal, all we need to know is if any other board
> member was aware of the deal *prior* to its being made.

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> No, because it relates to Marinello's dishonesty,
> in either case.

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> Character matters.

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> Do you
> really have no ambition beyond being
> a lap dog with a penchant for cover ups?

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> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:13:03 +0200, J=FCrgen R. <jurgenr@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> So you would destroy the newsgroup in order to save it? Who appointed
> you imam? Do you realize how patronizing this is to those who believe
> they can judge gibberish for themselves?

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>
>
> David Kane wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>
> How in your estimation was she being dishonest (Note to the readers:
> please note how the topic keeps shifting, leaving questions

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> and issues unresolved)?
>

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> "George John" <george@neosoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1121879701.750684.5580@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> unanswered
>
> Because there is no way for Marinello to honestly
> accept responsibility for Shaughnessy's conduct.

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> Character matters. Even yours. For example,
> if you engage in misconduct or coverups at the
> request of Ms. Marinello, that is because
> your character allows you to.

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> David Kane wrote:

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>
> I will make one more attempt at communicating my point.
>
> Shaughnessy was NOT involved in making the deal in any way

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> Therefore, she can NOT be held responsible for it having been made.
>

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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:33:44 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
>
> To be fair, this is one of the rare instances where your logical
> gyrations led to the correct deduction. Even you are right about one
> time out of five.
>
> I thought for a moment that the best method to combat the flood of
> gibberish that you post would be for several people to post under your
> name for a while, so that nobody would know what came from you and
> what came from elsewhere. The fake Sloans don't even need to use a
> careful disguise because people won't normally take the trouble to
> trace the source.
>
> However, I quickly saw that I can't maintain an interest in such an
> activity - after all, it doesn't it matter what Sloan says - so let
> him babble.
>
> The real Jürgen R.
>
>

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> Your chess politicians have been behaving very badly. They bicker with
> each other like a bunch of spoiled rotten children. It is quite
> pathetic for the president to act so foolishly. How could you Yanks
> vote for someone like that? It is worst than voting for this chap
> Sloan.
>
> James Singh
>

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> Your chess politicians have been behaving very badly. They bicker with
> each other like a bunch of spoiled rotten children. It is quite
> pathetic for the president to act so foolishly. How could you Yanks
> vote for someone like that? It is worst than voting for this chap
> Sloan.

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>1. Has Mrs. Marinello received any funds from

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>2. Did the new ED recommend the Natrol deal to

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>3. Has the new ED worked for or with

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> UN-NATROL SILENCE ABOUT RACISM

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> For Larry Parr: issue closed; no need to
> answer such questions. The chess public need not know
> the answers.

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>
> "Instead Mr. Cavallo spends his time
> in New Windsor, which is only a few miles south of Newburgh. Newburgh,
> of course, is one of America's most inflamed rat rectums. About half
> its population feeds at the public welfare trough, and parking costs
> about five cents an hour when the meters are not bent at crazy skew-
> wiff angles. One afternoon (not night!) while driving along the main
> street of Newburgh, I witnessed a sight that has remained with me ever
> since. A mammoth black man with muscles the size of the average
> Japanese apartment in Tokyo rammed his chest into a parking meter.
> He was charging it straight on and eventually bent it nearly in half.
> Any of us would have been in the hospital with a broken collar bone or
> a cracked sternum. Such are the street sights of the New Windsor area."

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> And so it goes.

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> Success Team candidate George John tells us that so far as he
> is concerned, the Natrol deal is a closed issue. Finis.
> Just like that.

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>"Bruce Leverett" <a kind of sadism, and hostility toward the newsgroup
>community; the
>difference being that Juergen's impersonations were more amusing, but sooner
>exposed.>
>
>What internet community? All that happens on the internet is vicious
>sniping. The few folks that actually try to make friends often are victims
>of predators; and you read about their good-nature in the local newspapers
>after the bodies are found. The anonnymity of the internet allows freedom of
>speech but hinders meaningful human relationships.
>
>I should know. I met Sam on the internet. Thinking he was a cool dude, I met
>him for lunch one day. Before long he had me enrolled in Cabbie Academy and
>was trying to force himself on me even though I was not an underage girl.
>Very disturbing. You think you know someone on the internet, and then you
>meet them in person.
>
>Fortunately for me, one of his mail-order brides arrived, and he soon forgot
>all about me and I was able to break the frame on one of the barred windows
>in my room and escaped. By the time the Police arrived, he had moved
>everything out of the apartment, which had been leased in the name of some
>historic Chess Grandmaster. No evidence, no crime. Thus Sam's reign of
>terror continues.
>
>Even though several years have passed, anyone who has felt Sam's scaly touch
>and his rancid breath will never sleep peacefully.
>
>

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>I totally lucked out during a quick vacation to New York City in May
>with the wife

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> In a previous posting George John stated that his wife is a USCF
> member as can be easily be ascertained by a search of the MSA.

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> I have searched the MSA and have found no female who fits. Therefore,
> George John's wife must be male.

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> Wait a second. This is a Bruce Draney posting. I can recognize the
> style anywhere.
>
> Althjough the email address indicates "Tom Klem Jr.", I feel certain
> that this is actually Bruce.
>
> Sam Sloan

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>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>Nope, he is the Mr. Bellsouth.net, unless Bruce Draney moved down
>south.

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> Right. Good point. I had overlooked that. Thank you.
>
> By the way, does Bruce Draney still live in Nebraska?
>
> Are we onto something?
>
> Sam Sloan

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>
>
>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
>If one were to know her first name, it would be easy.
>
>Given that MSA doesn't logically recognize search strings like
>"John,*", it's not so easy if a person does not.
>
>
>False, she's very much a female. Interesting -smile- logic though
>-- if one can't find something, it doesn't exist.
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
>

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> I am currently employed (since June, 2003) as a Senior Software
> Engineer by a division of a publicly held corporation (energy business)
> that had revenue in excess of $400,000,000 in 2004.
>
> To fill in few more details, my father, wife, son, and I are all
> current USCF members (easy to verify using MSA).

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> Now, he has stated that his wife can be "easily verified" using the
> MSA, but when pointed out that this is not true, he will not provide
> the name of his wife, but instead sends us off on a guessing game.

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> I strongly doubt that George John will be elected, but if he is
> elected I am going to demand that he prove that his real FULL name is
> George John and not for example George John Smith or Jones.

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> Once again, George John has refused to provide any verifiable
> information proving that he exists. He refuses to provide such
> information as where he was born, where he went to high school,
> where he has ever worked, etc.

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> I strongly doubt that George John will be elected, but if he is
> elected I am going to demand that he prove that his real FULL name is
> George John and not for example George John Smith or Jones.

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>
>
> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> Again, my name is the one given to me from birth. It has never been
> changed. I have nothing to hide.

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> Why do you even dignify his ramblings with a response?

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> George John and not for example George John Smith or Jones.
>