Chess politics - The next big Phenom?

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The next big Phenom?

Gunsberg

2005-05-24, 8:34 pm

In the past year, Hikaru Nakamura has gained quite the following in
the US, as the best prospect for high-level success in the chess
circuit. However, Fabiano Caruana has just achieved an IM norm. Caruana
is only 12 years of age, which is IIRC how old Nakamura was when he
achieved his first IM norm, at the Norm Factory event in Budapest. He
scored +7, and beat a couple of IMs--good enough for a Performance
Rating of 2487. Pretty impressive for a player rated only 2255 to
maintain over 13 rounds. Obviously, he is significantly underrated. I
believe that he is from New York, so I would not think that there is a
dearth of events where Caruana could play FIDE rated games. But,
clearly he is in Budapest for a reason.....

I wonder if Chandra Hawsa Koneru [IND 230] is any relation to GM
Humpy Koneru, who also played in the First Saturday event, but in the
GM Tournament?

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FSIM May Budapest HUN (HUN), 7-19 v 2005 cat.
I (2275)
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
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1. Caruana, Fabiano f USA 2255 * = 1 0 1 = = 1 1 1 1 = 1 1
10.0 2487
2. Galyas, Miklos m HUN 2444 = * = 1 = 1 = 1 1 = = = = 1
9.0 2402
3. Werner, Dimo m GER 2334 0 = * = = 1 = 1 = = 1 1 = 1
8.5 2380
4. Hasanova, Elmira wm RUS 2282 1 0 = * 0 1 = 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
8.0 2361
5. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 0 = = 1 * 0 = = = = = 1 1 1
7.5 2334
6. Fodor, Tamas jr f HUN 2269 = 0 0 0 1 * = = 1 1 0 = 1 1
7.0 2304
7. Lengyel, Bela m HUN 2302 = = = = = = * = = = = 0 1 =
6.5 2272
8. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 0 0 1 = = = * = 0 = 1 1 1
6.5 2275
9. Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 0 0 = 1 = 0 = = * 0 1 1 = 0
5.5 2219
10. Charleshouse, Glenn L f ENG 2212 0 = = 0 = 0 = 1 1 * = = = 0
5.5 2222
11. Chetverik, Maxim m RUS 2305 0 = 0 0 = 1 = = 0 = * = = 1
5.5 2215
12. Prohaszka, Peter2 HUN 2265 = = 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 = = * 1 1
5.5 2218
13. Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 0 = = 0 0 0 0 0 = = = 0 * =
3.0 2061
14. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 = *
3.0 2076
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First Saturday Chess Tournament Series
May 2005
IM Tournament

No Name Feder Rtg Title #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13 #14
1. Galyas, Miklos HUN 2444 im * 1 1 = = = 1 1 = = = = 1 =
2. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 * 1 0 = 0 = = 1 = 1 = 1 0
3. Hasanova, Elmira RUS 2282 wim 0 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 = 1 =
4. Caruana, Fabiano USA 2255 fm = 1 0 * 1 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1
5. Chetverik, Maxim RUS 2305 im = = 0 0 * = 0 1 = = = = 1 0
6. Charleshouse, Glenn ENG 2212 fm = 1 0 0 = * 1 0 = = = = 0 =
7. Lundin, Jan SWE 2252 0 = 1 0 1 0 * 0 = = 1 = 0 =
8. Fodor, Tamas Jr. HUN 2269 fm 0 = 0 = 0 1 1 * 1 1 = = 1 0
9. Koneru, Chandra IND 2305 = 0 0 0 = = = 0 * 0 0 0 = =
10. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 = = 1 0 = = = 0 1 * 1 = 1 =
11. Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 = 0 0 = = = 0 = 1 0 * 1 1 0
12. Lengyel, Bela HUN 2302 im = = = = = = = = 1 = 0 * = =
13. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 0 = * 0
14. Werner, Dimo GER 2334 im = 1 = 0 1 = = 1 = = 1 = 1 *

Round 1
No Name Result Name

1 Galyas, Miklos =:= Werner, Dimo
2 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
3 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Lengyel, Bela
4 Caruana, Fabiano =:= Prohaszka, Peter
5 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Niemi, Kalle
6 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Koneru, Chandra
7 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
Round 2
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
2 Koneru, Chandra =:= Lundin, Jan
3 Niemi, Kalle =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
4 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Chetverik, Maxim
5 Lengyel, Bela =:= Caruana, Fabiano
6 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
7 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
Round 3
No Name Result Name

1 Erdelyi, Zombor 0:1 Werner, Dimo
2 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
3 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
4 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Lengyel, Bela
5 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Prohaszka, Peter
6 Lundin, Jan =:= Niemi, Kalle
7 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
Round 4
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo =:= Koneru, Chandra
2 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
3 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Lundin, Jan
4 Lengyel, Bela =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
5 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Chetverik, Maxim
6 Galyas, Miklos =:= Caruana, Fabiano
7 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
Round 5
No Name Result Name

1 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Werner, Dimo
2 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
3 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Galyas, Miklos
4 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Katsuhara, Osamu
5 Lundin, Jan =:= Lengyel, Bela
6 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Prohaszka, Peter
7 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
Round 6
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo =:= Niemi, Kalle
2 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
3 Lengyel, Bela =:= Fodor, Tamas Jr.
4 Katsuhara, Osamu 1:0 Lundin, Jan
5 Galyas, Miklos =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
6 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Chetverik, Maxim
7 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Caruana, Fabiano
Round 7
No Name Result Name

1 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Werner, Dimo
2 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
3 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
4 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
5 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
6 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Lengyel, Bela
7 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
Round 8
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
2 Lengyel, Bela =:= Niemi, Kalle
3 Katsuhara, Osamu =:= Koneru, Chandra
4 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
5 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Lundin, Jan
6 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
7 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
Round 9
No Name Result Name

1 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Werner, Dimo
2 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
3 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
4 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
5 Koneru, Chandra =:= Galyas, Miklos
6 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
7 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Lengyel, Bela
Round 10
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo =:= Lengyel, Bela
2 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Prohaszka, Peter
3 Galyas, Miklos =:= Niemi, Kalle
4 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
5 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
6 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Lundin, Jan
7 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
Round 11
No Name Result Name

1 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Werner, Dimo
2 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
3 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Caruana, Fabiano
4 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
5 Niemi, Kalle =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
6 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Galyas, Miklos
7 Lengyel, Bela =:= Katsuhara, Osamu
Round 12
No Name Result Name

1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
2 Galyas, Miklos =:= Lengyel, Bela
3 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
4 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
5 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
6 Chetverik, Maxim 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
7 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Lundin, Jan
Round 13
No Name Result Name

1 Lundin, Jan =:= Werner, Dimo
2 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
3 Koneru, Chandra =:= Chetverik, Maxim
4 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
5 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
6 Lengyel, Bela =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
7 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Galyas, Miklos

Final Ranking
No. PNo. Name Score WP SB PS rat.
TPR W-We
1. 4 Caruana, Fabiano 10.0 81.0 59.00 64.0 2255
2487 +3.89
2. 1 Galyas, Miklos 9.0 82.0 56.00 64.0 2444
2403 -0.62
3. 14 Werner, Dimo 8.5 82.5 50.00 60.0 2334
2380 +0.83
4. 3 Hasanova, Elmira 8.0 83.0 47.00 52.0 2282
2361 +1.37
5. 10 Niemi, Kalle 7.5 83.5 43.00 51.5 2247
2334 +1.52
6. 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr 7.0 84.0 38.75 54.5 2269
2304 +0.63
7. 12 Lengyel, Bela 6.5 84.5 41.00 46.5 2302
2273 -0.52
2 Erdelyi, Zombor 6.5 84.5 35.50 40.5 2264
2276 +0.26
9. 5 Chetverik, Maxim 5.5 85.5 31.75 41.0 2305
2216 -1.52
11 Prohaszka, Peter 5.5 85.5 31.00 41.0 2265
2219 -0.74
7 Lundin, Jan 5.5 85.5 35.00 37.5 2259
2219 -0.74
6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. 5.5 85.5 34.75 39.5 2212
2223 +0.17
13. 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa 3.0 88.0 18.50 23.5 2305
2062 -4.02
13 Katsuhara, Osamu 3.0 88.0 15.75 21.5 2106
2077 -0.38

Final Rating Results
nr Name Fed T rating Rat-ID tot Rc N W
W-We
1 Galyas, Miklos HUN IM 2444 707244 9.0 2262 13 9
-0.62
2 Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 720410 6.5 2276 13 6.5
+0.26
3 Hasanova, Elmira RUS WIM 2282 4148827 8.0 2274 13 8
+1.37
4 Caruana, Fabiano USA FM 2255 2020009 10.0 2276 13 10
+3.89
5 Chetverik, Maxim RUS IM 2305 4106784 5.5 2273 13 5.5
-1.52
6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. ENG FM 2212 406228 5.5 2280 13 5.5
+0.17
7 Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 1706896 5.5 2276 13 5.5
-0.74
8 Fodor, Tamas Jr HUN FM 2269 723762 7.0 2275 13 7
+0.63
9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 5018242 3.0 2273 13 3
-4.02
10 Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 504378 7.5 2277 13 7.5
+1.52
11 Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 726265 5.5 2276 13 5.5
-0.74
12 Lengyel, Bela HUN IM 2302 700592 6.5 2273 13 6.5
-0.52
13 Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 2022656 3.0 2288 13 3
-0.38
14 Werner, Dimo GER IM 2334 4601696 8.5 2270 13 8.5
+0.83

Chess Historian

2005-05-24, 8:34 pm

Gunsberg wrote:

quote:

> In the past year, Hikaru Nakamura has gained quite the following in
> the US, as the best prospect for high-level success in the chess
> circuit. However, Fabiano Caruana has just achieved an IM norm.

Caruana

quote:

> is only 12 years of age, which is IIRC how old Nakamura was when he
> achieved his first IM norm, at the Norm Factory event in Budapest. He
> scored +7, and beat a couple of IMs--good enough for a Performance
> Rating of 2487. Pretty impressive for a player rated only 2255 to
> maintain over 13 rounds. Obviously, he is significantly underrated. I
> believe that he is from New York, so I would not think that there is

quote:

> dearth of events where Caruana could play FIDE rated games. But,
> clearly he is in Budapest for a reason.....
>
> I wonder if Chandra Hawsa Koneru [IND 230] is any relation to GM
> Humpy Koneru, who also played in the First Saturday event, but in the
> GM Tournament?

Chandra is the younger sister of Humpy Koneru. Fabiano used to live in
NY. He is a very nice boy. His family moved to Europe some months ago
to give him more opportunities to play in serious competition. G/30 at
the Marshall just doesn't cut it.

quote:

>

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> FSIM May Budapest HUN (HUN), 7-19 v 2005

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> I (2275)
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> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
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> 1. Caruana, Fabiano f USA 2255 * = 1 0 1 = = 1 1 1 1 = 1 1
> 10.0 2487
> 2. Galyas, Miklos m HUN 2444 = * = 1 = 1 = 1 1 = = = = 1
> 9.0 2402
> 3. Werner, Dimo m GER 2334 0 = * = = 1 = 1 = = 1 1 = 1
> 8.5 2380
> 4. Hasanova, Elmira wm RUS 2282 1 0 = * 0 1 = 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
> 8.0 2361
> 5. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 0 = = 1 * 0 = = = = = 1 1 1
> 7.5 2334
> 6. Fodor, Tamas jr f HUN 2269 = 0 0 0 1 * = = 1 1 0 = 1 1
> 7.0 2304
> 7. Lengyel, Bela m HUN 2302 = = = = = = * = = = = 0 1 =
> 6.5 2272
> 8. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 0 0 1 = = = * = 0 = 1 1 1
> 6.5 2275
> 9. Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 0 0 = 1 = 0 = = * 0 1 1 = 0
> 5.5 2219
> 10. Charleshouse, Glenn L f ENG 2212 0 = = 0 = 0 = 1 1 * = = = 0
> 5.5 2222
> 11. Chetverik, Maxim m RUS 2305 0 = 0 0 = 1 = = 0 = * = = 1
> 5.5 2215
> 12. Prohaszka, Peter2 HUN 2265 = = 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 = = * 1 1
> 5.5 2218
> 13. Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 0 = = 0 0 0 0 0 = = = 0 * =
> 3.0 2061
> 14. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 = *
> 3.0 2076
>

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quote:

>
> First Saturday Chess Tournament Series
> May 2005
> IM Tournament
>
>
> No Name Feder Rtg Title #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13

#14

quote:

> 1. Galyas, Miklos HUN 2444 im * 1 1 = = = 1 1 = = = = 1 =
> 2. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 * 1 0 = 0 = = 1 = 1 = 1 0
> 3. Hasanova, Elmira RUS 2282 wim 0 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 = 1 =
> 4. Caruana, Fabiano USA 2255 fm = 1 0 * 1 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1
> 5. Chetverik, Maxim RUS 2305 im = = 0 0 * = 0 1 = = = = 1 0
> 6. Charleshouse, Glenn ENG 2212 fm = 1 0 0 = * 1 0 = = = = 0 =
> 7. Lundin, Jan SWE 2252 0 = 1 0 1 0 * 0 = = 1 = 0 =
> 8. Fodor, Tamas Jr. HUN 2269 fm 0 = 0 = 0 1 1 * 1 1 = = 1 0
> 9. Koneru, Chandra IND 2305 = 0 0 0 = = = 0 * 0 0 0 = =
> 10. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 = = 1 0 = = = 0 1 * 1 = 1 =
> 11. Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 = 0 0 = = = 0 = 1 0 * 1 1 0
> 12. Lengyel, Bela HUN 2302 im = = = = = = = = 1 = 0 * = =
> 13. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 0 = * 0
> 14. Werner, Dimo GER 2334 im = 1 = 0 1 = = 1 = = 1 = 1 *
>
> Round 1
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Galyas, Miklos =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 7 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> Round 2
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 2 Koneru, Chandra =:= Lundin, Jan
> 3 Niemi, Kalle =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 4 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 5 Lengyel, Bela =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 6 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 7 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> Round 3
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Erdelyi, Zombor 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 3 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 4 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 5 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 6 Lundin, Jan =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 7 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> Round 4
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 2 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 3 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Lundin, Jan
> 4 Lengyel, Bela =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 5 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Chetverik, Maxim
> 6 Galyas, Miklos =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 7 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> Round 5
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 3 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 4 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 5 Lundin, Jan =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 6 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 7 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> Round 6
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 2 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 3 Lengyel, Bela =:= Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 4 Katsuhara, Osamu 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 5 Galyas, Miklos =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 6 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 7 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Caruana, Fabiano
> Round 7
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 3 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 4 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 5 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 6 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Lengyel, Bela
> 7 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> Round 8
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 2 Lengyel, Bela =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 3 Katsuhara, Osamu =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 4 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 5 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Lundin, Jan
> 6 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 7 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> Round 9
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 3 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> 4 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 5 Koneru, Chandra =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 6 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 7 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Lengyel, Bela
> Round 10
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 2 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Prohaszka, Peter
> 3 Galyas, Miklos =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 4 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 5 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 6 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 7 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> Round 11
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> 3 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 4 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 5 Niemi, Kalle =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 6 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 7 Lengyel, Bela =:= Katsuhara, Osamu
> Round 12
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 2 Galyas, Miklos =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 3 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 4 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> 5 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 6 Chetverik, Maxim 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 7 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> Round 13
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Lundin, Jan =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 3 Koneru, Chandra =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 4 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 5 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 6 Lengyel, Bela =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 7 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
>
> Final Ranking
> No. PNo. Name Score WP SB PS rat.
> TPR W-We
> 1. 4 Caruana, Fabiano 10.0 81.0 59.00 64.0 2255
> 2487 +3.89
> 2. 1 Galyas, Miklos 9.0 82.0 56.00 64.0 2444
> 2403 -0.62
> 3. 14 Werner, Dimo 8.5 82.5 50.00 60.0 2334
> 2380 +0.83
> 4. 3 Hasanova, Elmira 8.0 83.0 47.00 52.0 2282
> 2361 +1.37
> 5. 10 Niemi, Kalle 7.5 83.5 43.00 51.5 2247
> 2334 +1.52
> 6. 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr 7.0 84.0 38.75 54.5 2269
> 2304 +0.63
> 7. 12 Lengyel, Bela 6.5 84.5 41.00 46.5 2302
> 2273 -0.52
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 6.5 84.5 35.50 40.5 2264
> 2276 +0.26
> 9. 5 Chetverik, Maxim 5.5 85.5 31.75 41.0 2305
> 2216 -1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter 5.5 85.5 31.00 41.0 2265
> 2219 -0.74
> 7 Lundin, Jan 5.5 85.5 35.00 37.5 2259
> 2219 -0.74
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. 5.5 85.5 34.75 39.5 2212
> 2223 +0.17
> 13. 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa 3.0 88.0 18.50 23.5 2305
> 2062 -4.02
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu 3.0 88.0 15.75 21.5 2106
> 2077 -0.38
>
>
> Final Rating Results
> nr Name Fed T rating Rat-ID tot Rc N W
> W-We
> 1 Galyas, Miklos HUN IM 2444 707244 9.0 2262 13 9
> -0.62
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 720410 6.5 2276 13

6.5

quote:

> +0.26
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira RUS WIM 2282 4148827 8.0 2274 13 8
> +1.37
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano USA FM 2255 2020009 10.0 2276 13 10
> +3.89
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim RUS IM 2305 4106784 5.5 2273 13

5.5

quote:

> -1.52
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. ENG FM 2212 406228 5.5 2280 13

5.5

quote:

> +0.17
> 7 Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 1706896 5.5 2276 13

5.5

quote:

> -0.74
> 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr HUN FM 2269 723762 7.0 2275 13 7
> +0.63
> 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 5018242 3.0 2273 13 3
> -4.02
> 10 Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 504378 7.5 2277 13

7.5

quote:

> +1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 726265 5.5 2276 13

5.5

quote:

> -0.74
> 12 Lengyel, Bela HUN IM 2302 700592 6.5 2273 13

6.5

quote:

> -0.52
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 2022656 3.0 2288 13 3
> -0.38
> 14 Werner, Dimo GER IM 2334 4601696 8.5 2270 13

8.5

quote:

> +0.83

RSHaas@aol.com

2005-05-24, 8:34 pm

<< Fabiano used to live in NY. He is a very nice boy. His family moved
to Europe some months ago to give him more opportunities to play in
serious competition. G/30 at
the Marshall just doesn't cut it. >>

(Neil Brennen)
==========
Where is that great big New York Metro District organization when
you need it? Funded Mensa style it could offer at least some
interesting tournaments in NYC. I guess such an umbrella was never
established.. or maybe it pissed away all of its money on a chess
newsletter hoping that its editor could win a CJY award at the expense
of all other chess matters.

Old Haasie

Angelo DePalma

2005-05-25, 12:31 am

Fabiano is a great kid and a phenomenal talent.

Not to take anything away from him, what is the point of an IM with a FIDE
rating of 2275? I tend to think of IMs as out of my striking range (assuming
I'm really lucky and they're playing badly). A 2275 rating is definitely
within my striking range.

In my opinion players with serious international aspirations should stay
away from the title mills. Becoming an IM through results in decent
tournaments that include very strong players is one thing. Getting the title
by slaughtering a field of over-rated, over-titled has-beens and second-rate
title mill graduates is meaningless to me.

adp

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quote:

> In the past year, Hikaru Nakamura has gained quite the following in
> the US, as the best prospect for high-level success in the chess
> circuit. However, Fabiano Caruana has just achieved an IM norm. Caruana
> is only 12 years of age, which is IIRC how old Nakamura was when he
> achieved his first IM norm, at the Norm Factory event in Budapest. He
> scored +7, and beat a couple of IMs--good enough for a Performance
> Rating of 2487. Pretty impressive for a player rated only 2255 to
> maintain over 13 rounds. Obviously, he is significantly underrated. I
> believe that he is from New York, so I would not think that there is a
> dearth of events where Caruana could play FIDE rated games. But,
> clearly he is in Budapest for a reason.....
>
> I wonder if Chandra Hawsa Koneru [IND 230] is any relation to GM
> Humpy Koneru, who also played in the First Saturday event, but in the
> GM Tournament?
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> FSIM May Budapest HUN (HUN), 7-19 v 2005 cat.
> I (2275)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Caruana, Fabiano f USA 2255 * = 1 0 1 = = 1 1 1 1 = 1 1
> 10.0 2487
> 2. Galyas, Miklos m HUN 2444 = * = 1 = 1 = 1 1 = = = = 1
> 9.0 2402
> 3. Werner, Dimo m GER 2334 0 = * = = 1 = 1 = = 1 1 = 1
> 8.5 2380
> 4. Hasanova, Elmira wm RUS 2282 1 0 = * 0 1 = 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
> 8.0 2361
> 5. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 0 = = 1 * 0 = = = = = 1 1 1
> 7.5 2334
> 6. Fodor, Tamas jr f HUN 2269 = 0 0 0 1 * = = 1 1 0 = 1 1
> 7.0 2304
> 7. Lengyel, Bela m HUN 2302 = = = = = = * = = = = 0 1 =
> 6.5 2272
> 8. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 0 0 1 = = = * = 0 = 1 1 1
> 6.5 2275
> 9. Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 0 0 = 1 = 0 = = * 0 1 1 = 0
> 5.5 2219
> 10. Charleshouse, Glenn L f ENG 2212 0 = = 0 = 0 = 1 1 * = = = 0
> 5.5 2222
> 11. Chetverik, Maxim m RUS 2305 0 = 0 0 = 1 = = 0 = * = = 1
> 5.5 2215
> 12. Prohaszka, Peter2 HUN 2265 = = 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 = = * 1 1
> 5.5 2218
> 13. Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 0 = = 0 0 0 0 0 = = = 0 * =
> 3.0 2061
> 14. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 = *
> 3.0 2076
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> First Saturday Chess Tournament Series
> May 2005
> IM Tournament
>
>
> No Name Feder Rtg Title #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13 #14
> 1. Galyas, Miklos HUN 2444 im * 1 1 = = = 1 1 = = = = 1 =
> 2. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 * 1 0 = 0 = = 1 = 1 = 1 0
> 3. Hasanova, Elmira RUS 2282 wim 0 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 = 1 =
> 4. Caruana, Fabiano USA 2255 fm = 1 0 * 1 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1
> 5. Chetverik, Maxim RUS 2305 im = = 0 0 * = 0 1 = = = = 1 0
> 6. Charleshouse, Glenn ENG 2212 fm = 1 0 0 = * 1 0 = = = = 0 =
> 7. Lundin, Jan SWE 2252 0 = 1 0 1 0 * 0 = = 1 = 0 =
> 8. Fodor, Tamas Jr. HUN 2269 fm 0 = 0 = 0 1 1 * 1 1 = = 1 0
> 9. Koneru, Chandra IND 2305 = 0 0 0 = = = 0 * 0 0 0 = =
> 10. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 = = 1 0 = = = 0 1 * 1 = 1 =
> 11. Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 = 0 0 = = = 0 = 1 0 * 1 1 0
> 12. Lengyel, Bela HUN 2302 im = = = = = = = = 1 = 0 * = =
> 13. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 0 = * 0
> 14. Werner, Dimo GER 2334 im = 1 = 0 1 = = 1 = = 1 = 1 *
>
> Round 1
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Galyas, Miklos =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 7 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> Round 2
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 2 Koneru, Chandra =:= Lundin, Jan
> 3 Niemi, Kalle =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 4 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 5 Lengyel, Bela =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 6 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 7 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> Round 3
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Erdelyi, Zombor 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 3 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 4 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 5 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 6 Lundin, Jan =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 7 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> Round 4
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 2 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 3 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Lundin, Jan
> 4 Lengyel, Bela =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 5 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Chetverik, Maxim
> 6 Galyas, Miklos =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 7 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> Round 5
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 3 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 4 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 5 Lundin, Jan =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 6 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 7 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> Round 6
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 2 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 3 Lengyel, Bela =:= Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 4 Katsuhara, Osamu 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 5 Galyas, Miklos =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 6 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 7 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Caruana, Fabiano
> Round 7
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 3 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 4 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 5 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 6 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Lengyel, Bela
> 7 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> Round 8
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 2 Lengyel, Bela =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 3 Katsuhara, Osamu =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 4 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 5 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Lundin, Jan
> 6 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 7 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> Round 9
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 3 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> 4 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 5 Koneru, Chandra =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 6 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 7 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Lengyel, Bela
> Round 10
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 2 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Prohaszka, Peter
> 3 Galyas, Miklos =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 4 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 5 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 6 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 7 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> Round 11
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> 3 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 4 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 5 Niemi, Kalle =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 6 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 7 Lengyel, Bela =:= Katsuhara, Osamu
> Round 12
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 2 Galyas, Miklos =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 3 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 4 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> 5 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 6 Chetverik, Maxim 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 7 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> Round 13
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Lundin, Jan =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 3 Koneru, Chandra =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 4 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 5 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 6 Lengyel, Bela =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 7 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
>
> Final Ranking
> No. PNo. Name Score WP SB PS rat.
> TPR W-We
> 1. 4 Caruana, Fabiano 10.0 81.0 59.00 64.0 2255
> 2487 +3.89
> 2. 1 Galyas, Miklos 9.0 82.0 56.00 64.0 2444
> 2403 -0.62
> 3. 14 Werner, Dimo 8.5 82.5 50.00 60.0 2334
> 2380 +0.83
> 4. 3 Hasanova, Elmira 8.0 83.0 47.00 52.0 2282
> 2361 +1.37
> 5. 10 Niemi, Kalle 7.5 83.5 43.00 51.5 2247
> 2334 +1.52
> 6. 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr 7.0 84.0 38.75 54.5 2269
> 2304 +0.63
> 7. 12 Lengyel, Bela 6.5 84.5 41.00 46.5 2302
> 2273 -0.52
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 6.5 84.5 35.50 40.5 2264
> 2276 +0.26
> 9. 5 Chetverik, Maxim 5.5 85.5 31.75 41.0 2305
> 2216 -1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter 5.5 85.5 31.00 41.0 2265
> 2219 -0.74
> 7 Lundin, Jan 5.5 85.5 35.00 37.5 2259
> 2219 -0.74
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. 5.5 85.5 34.75 39.5 2212
> 2223 +0.17
> 13. 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa 3.0 88.0 18.50 23.5 2305
> 2062 -4.02
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu 3.0 88.0 15.75 21.5 2106
> 2077 -0.38
>
>
> Final Rating Results
> nr Name Fed T rating Rat-ID tot Rc N W
> W-We
> 1 Galyas, Miklos HUN IM 2444 707244 9.0 2262 13 9
> -0.62
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 720410 6.5 2276 13 6.5
> +0.26
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira RUS WIM 2282 4148827 8.0 2274 13 8
> +1.37
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano USA FM 2255 2020009 10.0 2276 13 10
> +3.89
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim RUS IM 2305 4106784 5.5 2273 13 5.5
> -1.52
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. ENG FM 2212 406228 5.5 2280 13 5.5
> +0.17
> 7 Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 1706896 5.5 2276 13 5.5
> -0.74
> 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr HUN FM 2269 723762 7.0 2275 13 7
> +0.63
> 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 5018242 3.0 2273 13 3
> -4.02
> 10 Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 504378 7.5 2277 13 7.5
> +1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 726265 5.5 2276 13 5.5
> -0.74
> 12 Lengyel, Bela HUN IM 2302 700592 6.5 2273 13 6.5
> -0.52
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 2022656 3.0 2288 13 3
> -0.38
> 14 Werner, Dimo GER IM 2334 4601696 8.5 2270 13 8.5
> +0.83
>

Ray Gordon

2005-05-25, 12:31 am

> << Fabiano used to live in NY. He is a very nice boy. His family moved

quote:

> to Europe some months ago to give him more opportunities to play in
> serious competition. G/30 at
> the Marshall just doesn't cut it. >>
>
> (Neil Brennen)
> ==========
> Where is that great big New York Metro District organization when
> you need it? Funded Mensa style it could offer at least some
> interesting tournaments in NYC.

Socialized tournament chess isn't going to fly.

quote:

>I guess such an umbrella was never
> established.. or maybe it pissed away all of its money on a chess
> newsletter hoping that its editor could win a CJY award at the expense
> of all other chess matters.

Or maybe the federation doesn't want to practice socialism bordering on
communism.

--
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Larry Tapper

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

Angelo DePalma wrote:

quote:

> Fabiano is a great kid and a phenomenal talent.
>
> Not to take anything away from him, what is the point of an IM with a FIDE
> rating of 2275? I tend to think of IMs as out of my striking range (assuming
> I'm really lucky and they're playing badly). A 2275 rating is definitely
> within my striking range.
>
> In my opinion players with serious international aspirations should stay
> away from the title mills. Becoming an IM through results in decent
> tournaments that include very strong players is one thing. Getting the title
> by slaughtering a field of over-rated, over-titled has-beens and second-rate
> title mill graduates is meaningless to me.
>
> adp
>

Angelo,

I had always thought of the Hungarian tournaments as title mills, but
actually Tim Taylor's now-notorious article in CL made me reconsider.
Taylor gives more than one example of a tournament in which the
competition was ferocious and in the end _nobody_ got his desired norm.

It remains true, of course, that there are so many tournaments in
Budapest that the easiest way to get a norm is to spend a few months
there. But actually doing it is apparently no piece of cake. In the
light of Taylor's report, I'm inclined to give Caruana a lot of credit
for achieving an IM norm on what may have been his first Hungarian try.

Larry T.

Larry Tapper

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

Angelo DePalma wrote:

quote:

> ...As for Taylor, the guy is 51, his FIDE rating is 2297 and he hasn't played
> in a legit international tournament for as far back as I can remember. He
> wants to be a GM? Well then, dagnabbit, so do I.
>

While we're on the subject of Tim Taylor, many younger players are
probably unaware of the fact that in his prime (the early 80s if I
recall) he was not just a skin-of-the-teeth IM, he really was easily
strong enough to deserve the title. When he was properly booked up, he
was especially deadly on the White side of 1. d4 systems, with which he
scored quite a few impressive knockouts. He also wrote a couple of
pretty good tournament books and monographs on opening theory.

I see that he played in the HB tournament and finished with a
respectable 6-3, scoring 2-2 against his GM opponents.

Larry T.

Angelo DePalma

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

Larry,

You're mostly right. It's amazing that such a little kid could be so good.
But not all Hungarian tournaments are created equal. I don't believe that
opponent ratings among a field of unknowns are that reliable. Plus, there's
a reason why Fabiano is still rated just 2275.

I hope I'm totally wrong about this, and that he's simply gotten much
stronger since his last rating was posted. Even so, I wish he would obtain
his norms in real tournaments.

As for Taylor, the guy is 51, his FIDE rating is 2297 and he hasn't played
in a legit international tournament for as far back as I can remember. He
wants to be a GM? Well then, dagnabbit, so do I.

"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
>
> Angelo DePalma wrote:
>
> Angelo,
>
> I had always thought of the Hungarian tournaments as title mills, but
> actually Tim Taylor's now-notorious article in CL made me reconsider.
> Taylor gives more than one example of a tournament in which the
> competition was ferocious and in the end _nobody_ got his desired norm.
>
>
> It remains true, of course, that there are so many tournaments in
> Budapest that the easiest way to get a norm is to spend a few months
> there. But actually doing it is apparently no piece of cake. In the
> light of Taylor's report, I'm inclined to give Caruana a lot of credit
> for achieving an IM norm on what may have been his first Hungarian try.
>
> Larry T.
>

Kiddon

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

I remember when my son was in about 3rd grade and played "the next
Bobby Fischer" Fabiano Caruana in a National Scholastic Tournament. He
was thrilled to get a draw when Fabiano blundered and hung a bishop.
TV cameras from NY were there to follow Fabiano to what they were sure
was going to be a National Scholastic Championship, but the
championship was not to be that year. If anyone has ever seen the
video, all you can see of my son is his bright orange hair, with a buzz
cut, from behind. It's all baseball, all the time now though with both
PONY allstars and American Legion summer ball about to start.

kiddon

Chess One

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

> As for Taylor, the guy is 51, his FIDE rating is 2297 and he hasn't played

quote:

> in a legit international tournament for as far back as I can remember. He
> wants to be a GM? Well then, dagnabbit, so do I.

Sounds like me! I am also 51, and my Fide rating was about that or a bit
more, 25 years ago. These days I am proly only 900-1000ish.

What chance for us ancient patzers to become any sort of phenom? Sad, no?
May everyone weep.

Ecce, Phil

Ray Gordon

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

> You're mostly right. It's amazing that such a little kid could be so good.

Not so amazing, and these "wunderkinds" usually build their rating on a
house-of-cards repertoire that bites them in the XXX when they get to 2600
FIDE.

Computers are making it very easy to get good quickly.

quote:

> But not all Hungarian tournaments are created equal. I don't believe that
> opponent ratings among a field of unknowns are that reliable. Plus,
> there's a reason why Fabiano is still rated just 2275.

Yep.

quote:

> I hope I'm totally wrong about this, and that he's simply gotten much
> stronger since his last rating was posted. Even so, I wish he would obtain
> his norms in real tournaments.
>
> As for Taylor, the guy is 51, his FIDE rating is 2297 and he hasn't played
> in a legit international tournament for as far back as I can remember. He
> wants to be a GM? Well then, dagnabbit, so do I.

Chess is all but solved by computers. The focus has shifted in a way that
makes age a lot more irrelevant than it was before.

--
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Chess One

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Not so amazing, and these "wunderkinds" usually build their rating on a
> house-of-cards repertoire that bites them in the XXX when they get to 2600
> FIDE.

See, this is one of the more perceptive postings I have read in a long time.
It is true.

It is also very dangerous to the player in a ratings sense, and in a
personal sense to be so stong ans so brittle.

Phil Innes

quote:

> Computers are making it very easy to get good quickly.
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>
> Chess is all but solved by computers. The focus has shifted in a way that
> makes age a lot more irrelevant than it was before.
>
>
> --
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> http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
> Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women
>
> http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
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>

The Historian

2005-05-25, 8:33 pm

RSHaas@aol.com wrote:

quote:

> << Fabiano used to live in NY. He is a very nice boy. His family moved
> to Europe some months ago to give him more opportunities to play in
> serious competition. G/30 at
> the Marshall just doesn't cut it. >>
>
> (Neil Brennen)
> ==========

That ain't me, you moron.

Angelo DePalma

2005-05-26, 12:31 am

Phil: Your FIDE rating has gone from 2300 to 1100 in the last 25 years??

Have you suffered some sort of brain injury?

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hm5le.97$zb.21@trndny01...

quote:

>
> Sounds like me! I am also 51, and my Fide rating was about that or a bit
> more, 25 years ago. These days I am proly only 900-1000ish.
>
> What chance for us ancient patzers to become any sort of phenom? Sad, no?
> May everyone weep.
>
> Ecce, Phil
>

The Historian

2005-05-26, 12:31 am

Angelo DePalma wrote:

quote:

> Phil: Your FIDE rating has gone from 2300 to 1100 in the last 25 years??

There's no evidence it ever reached 2300 FIDE, or the 2450 he once
claimed. Perhaps he reached 2000 USCF.

quote:

> Have you suffered some sort of brain injury?

It would explain an awful lot.....

Angelo DePalma

2005-05-26, 3:31 am

Geez, my rating went up almost 400 points during that time (counting peaks
and troughs), and I know I've lost quite a few brain cells.

"The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1117075639.015599.72850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>
>
> Angelo DePalma wrote:
>
> There's no evidence it ever reached 2300 FIDE, or the 2450 he once
> claimed. Perhaps he reached 2000 USCF.
>
>
> It would explain an awful lot.....
>

Ray Gordon

2005-05-26, 3:31 am

>> Not so amazing, and these "wunderkinds" usually build their rating on a

quote:

>
> See, this is one of the more perceptive postings I have read in a long
> time. It is true.
>
> It is also very dangerous to the player in a ratings sense, and in a
> personal sense to be so stong ans so brittle.

Nakamura-Adams from last year was a good example of why these teenaged GMs
may have high ratings, but stall when they get to the world championship
cycle (even Fischer had this happen when he was 15). On the other hand,
when he gets a repertoire, god help everyone else. But will he hang around
long enough to do that, or will he be yet another successful American who
attributes chess to helping him become so? He's got a lot of work to do
before he strikes fear into the Anands of the world.

My general rule in the openings is that if I wouldn't play it for the world
championship, I won't play it against even a 1200.

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Angelo DePalma

2005-05-26, 3:31 am

I once drew Robert Hess in a game where I was winning, then dropped a queen.
In time trouble we both forgot the rule about clock forfeits and incomplete
scoresheets (both of ours were missing a good dozen moves). He "claimed" a
draw (I guess to avoid losing on time, an impossibility) and I accepted, not
realizing at the time what I was doing either. With an hour or so to think
about it I might have declined. That was probably my last opportunity to
beat him.

"Kiddon" <tampachessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1117048591.584506.146230@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>I remember when my son was in about 3rd grade and played "the next
> Bobby Fischer" Fabiano Caruana in a National Scholastic Tournament. He
> was thrilled to get a draw when Fabiano blundered and hung a bishop.
> TV cameras from NY were there to follow Fabiano to what they were sure
> was going to be a National Scholastic Championship, but the
> championship was not to be that year. If anyone has ever seen the
> video, all you can see of my son is his bright orange hair, with a buzz
> cut, from behind. It's all baseball, all the time now though with both
> PONY allstars and American Legion summer ball about to start.
>
> kiddon
>

Chess One

2005-05-26, 8:31 pm

"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
news:JcCdnUnxyctltgjfRVn-hw@garden.net...

quote:

>
> Phil: Your FIDE rating has gone from 2300 to 1100 in the last 25 years??
>
> Have you suffered some sort of brain injury?

I think its the effect of reading this newsgroup.

Look - anyone comes up to you and says, "can I ask you 3 simple questions",
then run! Allow your flight instinct to overcome the fighting one. Run into
the woods barking! Talk metaphysics to the squirrels. Stand on a rock on one
foot while reciting the alphabet backwards in Serbian-Montenegrin. Design a
building from the roof down. Dribble down your chest.

All these things are better for your rating than reading here.

Yor Fren, Phil

quote:

> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hm5le.97$zb.21@trndny01...
>
>

Taylor Kingston

2005-05-26, 8:31 pm

Chess One wrote:

quote:

> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
>
> I think its the effect of reading this newsgroup.

Scientific data is lacking, but anecdotal evidence suggests at least
that there is a clear basis for further research. I suspect chess
newsgroups may be to intelligence what cigarets are to lungs. But I can
quit rgcm&p any time I want. Any time I want. Any time. Hell, I've quit
at least 20 times already.

quote:

> Look - anyone comes up to you and says, "can I ask you 3 simple questions",
> then run! Allow your flight instinct to overcome the fighting one.

Mr. Parr seems to be taking your advice. Me, I'm too old and slow to
run, even when this Cornish guy asked me *20* questions. :-)

Run into

quote:

> the woods barking! Talk metaphysics to the squirrels.

If I engage the squirrels on, say, Nietzsche's concept of Eternal
Recurrence, will that keep them out of my bird-feeders?

quote:

> All these things are better for your rating than reading here.

Amen.

wthyde@godzilla.acpub.duke.edu

2005-05-26, 8:31 pm

"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> writes:

quote:

> Chess One wrote:
>
> Scientific data is lacking, but anecdotal evidence suggests at least
> that there is a clear basis for further research.

Well, I've been reading the group less and less, and my
speed chess seems to be getting better.

So perhaps the group is not purely toxic, and at some level
doesn't do much harm. A level pretty much all of you are
exceeding.

William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University

Gunsberg

2005-05-26, 8:32 pm

Larry Tapper wrote:

quote:

> Angelo DePalma wrote:
>
> Angelo,
>
> I had always thought of the Hungarian tournaments as title mills, but
> actually Tim Taylor's now-notorious article in CL made me reconsider.
> Taylor gives more than one example of a tournament in which the
> competition was ferocious and in the end _nobody_ got his desired norm.
>
>
> It remains true, of course, that there are so many tournaments in
> Budapest that the easiest way to get a norm is to spend a few months
> there. But actually doing it is apparently no piece of cake. In the
> light of Taylor's report, I'm inclined to give Caruana a lot of credit
> for achieving an IM norm on what may have been his first Hungarian try.
>
> Larry T.

Good point, Larry. I was using the term Title Mill in the sense
that Title Norm opportunities are mass produced. By and large, I think
that the events are hard fought. Indeed, as the major focus of players
competing in the events is to get a (higher level) FIDE Title, it is
often the case that the competitors are stronger than their rating.
However, while there have been First Saturday events where no norms
have been earned, it is usually the case that at least one player gets
a norm--sometimes two or three players earn a title norm.

Prospects are partcularly good in the GM section, as that is the
one that might have a couple of aging GMs who were included to augment
the Category of the event. By and large, I would expect that if a
marginal strength player competes in the Budapest events for a period
of about 6 months, it is more likely than not that fortune will smile
on that player, and he will have a good enough performance in one event
to get his/her norm.

There are probably events in which it is easier for a player to get
a norm, but they might only occur once a year, as opposed to 12 times a
year.

Chess Historian

2005-05-30, 12:31 am

Gunsberg wrote:

quote:

> In the past year, Hikaru Nakamura has gained quite the following in
> the US, as the best prospect for high-level success in the chess
> circuit. However, Fabiano Caruana has just achieved an IM norm.

Caruana

quote:

> is only 12 years of age, which is IIRC how old Nakamura was when he
> achieved his first IM norm, at the Norm Factory event in Budapest. He
> scored +7, and beat a couple of IMs--good enough for a Performance
> Rating of 2487. Pretty impressive for a player rated only 2255 to
> maintain over 13 rounds. Obviously, he is significantly underrated. I
> believe that he is from New York, so I would not think that there is

quote:

> dearth of events where Caruana could play FIDE rated games. But,
> clearly he is in Budapest for a reason.....
>
> I wonder if Chandra Hawsa Koneru [IND 230] is any relation to GM
> Humpy Koneru, who also played in the First Saturday event, but in the
> GM Tournament?

quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quote:

> FSIM May Budapest HUN (HUN), 7-19 v 2005

cat.

quote:

> I (2275)
>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quote:

> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quote:

> 1. Caruana, Fabiano f USA 2255 * = 1 0 1 = = 1 1 1 1 = 1 1
> 10.0 2487
> 2. Galyas, Miklos m HUN 2444 = * = 1 = 1 = 1 1 = = = = 1
> 9.0 2402
> 3. Werner, Dimo m GER 2334 0 = * = = 1 = 1 = = 1 1 = 1
> 8.5 2380
> 4. Hasanova, Elmira wm RUS 2282 1 0 = * 0 1 = 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
> 8.0 2361
> 5. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 0 = = 1 * 0 = = = = = 1 1 1
> 7.5 2334
> 6. Fodor, Tamas jr f HUN 2269 = 0 0 0 1 * = = 1 1 0 = 1 1
> 7.0 2304
> 7. Lengyel, Bela m HUN 2302 = = = = = = * = = = = 0 1 =
> 6.5 2272
> 8. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 0 0 1 = = = * = 0 = 1 1 1
> 6.5 2275
> 9. Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 0 0 = 1 = 0 = = * 0 1 1 = 0
> 5.5 2219
> 10. Charleshouse, Glenn L f ENG 2212 0 = = 0 = 0 = 1 1 * = = = 0
> 5.5 2222
> 11. Chetverik, Maxim m RUS 2305 0 = 0 0 = 1 = = 0 = * = = 1
> 5.5 2215
> 12. Prohaszka, Peter2 HUN 2265 = = 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 = = * 1 1
> 5.5 2218
> 13. Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 0 = = 0 0 0 0 0 = = = 0 * =
> 3.0 2061
> 14. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 = *
> 3.0 2076
>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

quote:

>
> First Saturday Chess Tournament Series
> May 2005
> IM Tournament
>
>
> No Name Feder Rtg Title #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13

#14

quote:

> 1. Galyas, Miklos HUN 2444 im * 1 1 = = = 1 1 = = = = 1 =
> 2. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 * 1 0 = 0 = = 1 = 1 = 1 0
> 3. Hasanova, Elmira RUS 2282 wim 0 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 = 1 =
> 4. Caruana, Fabiano USA 2255 fm = 1 0 * 1 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1
> 5. Chetverik, Maxim RUS 2305 im = = 0 0 * = 0 1 = = = = 1 0
> 6. Charleshouse, Glenn ENG 2212 fm = 1 0 0 = * 1 0 = = = = 0 =
> 7. Lundin, Jan SWE 2252 0 = 1 0 1 0 * 0 = = 1 = 0 =
> 8. Fodor, Tamas Jr. HUN 2269 fm 0 = 0 = 0 1 1 * 1 1 = = 1 0
> 9. Koneru, Chandra IND 2305 = 0 0 0 = = = 0 * 0 0 0 = =
> 10. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 = = 1 0 = = = 0 1 * 1 = 1 =
> 11. Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 = 0 0 = = = 0 = 1 0 * 1 1 0
> 12. Lengyel, Bela HUN 2302 im = = = = = = = = 1 = 0 * = =
> 13. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 0 = * 0
> 14. Werner, Dimo GER 2334 im = 1 = 0 1 = = 1 = = 1 = 1 *
>
> Round 1
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Galyas, Miklos =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 7 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> Round 2
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 2 Koneru, Chandra =:= Lundin, Jan
> 3 Niemi, Kalle =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 4 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 5 Lengyel, Bela =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 6 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 7 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> Round 3
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Erdelyi, Zombor 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 3 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 4 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 5 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 6 Lundin, Jan =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 7 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> Round 4
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 2 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 3 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Lundin, Jan
> 4 Lengyel, Bela =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 5 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Chetverik, Maxim
> 6 Galyas, Miklos =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 7 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> Round 5
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 3 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 4 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 5 Lundin, Jan =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 6 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 7 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> Round 6
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 2 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 3 Lengyel, Bela =:= Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 4 Katsuhara, Osamu 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 5 Galyas, Miklos =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 6 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 7 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Caruana, Fabiano
> Round 7
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 3 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 4 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 5 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 6 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Lengyel, Bela
> 7 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> Round 8
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 2 Lengyel, Bela =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 3 Katsuhara, Osamu =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 4 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 5 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Lundin, Jan
> 6 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 7 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> Round 9
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 3 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> 4 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 5 Koneru, Chandra =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 6 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 7 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Lengyel, Bela
> Round 10
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 2 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Prohaszka, Peter
> 3 Galyas, Miklos =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 4 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 5 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 6 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 7 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> Round 11
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> 3 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 4 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 5 Niemi, Kalle =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 6 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 7 Lengyel, Bela =:= Katsuhara, Osamu
> Round 12
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 2 Galyas, Miklos =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 3 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 4 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> 5 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 6 Chetverik, Maxim 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 7 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> Round 13
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Lundin, Jan =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 3 Koneru, Chandra =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 4 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 5 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 6 Lengyel, Bela =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 7 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
>
> Final Ranking
> No. PNo. Name Score WP SB PS rat.
> TPR W-We
> 1. 4 Caruana, Fabiano 10.0 81.0 59.00 64.0 2255
> 2487 +3.89
> 2. 1 Galyas, Miklos 9.0 82.0 56.00 64.0 2444
> 2403 -0.62
> 3. 14 Werner, Dimo 8.5 82.5 50.00 60.0 2334
> 2380 +0.83
> 4. 3 Hasanova, Elmira 8.0 83.0 47.00 52.0 2282
> 2361 +1.37
> 5. 10 Niemi, Kalle 7.5 83.5 43.00 51.5 2247
> 2334 +1.52
> 6. 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr 7.0 84.0 38.75 54.5 2269
> 2304 +0.63
> 7. 12 Lengyel, Bela 6.5 84.5 41.00 46.5 2302
> 2273 -0.52
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 6.5 84.5 35.50 40.5 2264
> 2276 +0.26
> 9. 5 Chetverik, Maxim 5.5 85.5 31.75 41.0 2305
> 2216 -1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter 5.5 85.5 31.00 41.0 2265
> 2219 -0.74
> 7 Lundin, Jan 5.5 85.5 35.00 37.5 2259
> 2219 -0.74
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. 5.5 85.5 34.75 39.5 2212
> 2223 +0.17
> 13. 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa 3.0 88.0 18.50 23.5 2305
> 2062 -4.02
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu 3.0 88.0 15.75 21.5 2106
> 2077 -0.38
>
>
> Final Rating Results
> nr Name Fed T rating Rat-ID tot Rc N W
> W-We
> 1 Galyas, Miklos HUN IM 2444 707244 9.0 2262 13 9
> -0.62
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 720410 6.5 2276 13

6.5

quote:

> +0.26
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira RUS WIM 2282 4148827 8.0 2274 13 8
> +1.37
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano USA FM 2255 2020009 10.0 2276 13 10
> +3.89
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim RUS IM 2305 4106784 5.5 2273 13

5.5

quote:

> -1.52
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. ENG FM 2212 406228 5.5 2280 13

5.5

quote:

> +0.17
> 7 Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 1706896 5.5 2276 13

5.5

quote:

> -0.74
> 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr HUN FM 2269 723762 7.0 2275 13 7
> +0.63
> 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 5018242 3.0 2273 13 3
> -4.02
> 10 Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 504378 7.5 2277 13

7.5

quote:

> +1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 726265 5.5 2276 13

5.5

quote:

> -0.74
> 12 Lengyel, Bela HUN IM 2302 700592 6.5 2273 13

6.5

quote:

> -0.52
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 2022656 3.0 2288 13 3
> -0.38
> 14 Werner, Dimo GER IM 2334 4601696 8.5 2270 13

8.5

quote:

> +0.83

wthyde@godzilla.acpub.duke.edu

2005-05-30, 3:31 am

"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> writes:

quote:

> Chess One wrote:
>
> Scientific data is lacking, but anecdotal evidence suggests at least
> that there is a clear basis for further research.

David Richerby

2005-05-30, 8:32 pm

Gunsberg <gunsberg@kasparovchess.com> wrote:

quote:

> Prospects are partcularly good in the GM section, as that is the one
> that might have a couple of aging GMs who were included to augment
> the Category of the event. By and large, I would expect that if a
> marginal strength player competes in the Budapest events for a period
> of about 6 months, it is more likely than not that fortune will smile
> on that player, and he will have a good enough performance in one event
> to get his/her norm.

Though, of course, two norms and a rating of >2300 (IM) or >2500 (GM) are
required for a title.

Dave.

--
David Richerby Sadistic Moistened Toy (TM): it's like
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a fun child's toy but it's moist and
it wants to hurt you!

Angelo DePalma

2005-05-30, 8:32 pm

quote:

> In the past year, Hikaru Nakamura has gained quite the following in
> the US, as the best prospect for high-level success in the chess
> circuit. However, Fabiano Caruana has just achieved an IM norm. Caruana
> is only 12 years of age, which is IIRC how old Nakamura was when he
> achieved his first IM norm, at the Norm Factory event in Budapest. He
> scored +7, and beat a couple of IMs--good enough for a Performance
> Rating of 2487. Pretty impressive for a player rated only 2255 to
> maintain over 13 rounds. Obviously, he is significantly underrated. I
> believe that he is from New York, so I would not think that there is a
> dearth of events where Caruana could play FIDE rated games. But,
> clearly he is in Budapest for a reason.....
>
> I wonder if Chandra Hawsa Koneru [IND 230] is any relation to GM
> Humpy Koneru, who also played in the First Saturday event, but in the
> GM Tournament?
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> FSIM May Budapest HUN (HUN), 7-19 v 2005 cat.
> I (2275)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Caruana, Fabiano f USA 2255 * = 1 0 1 = = 1 1 1 1 = 1 1
> 10.0 2487
> 2. Galyas, Miklos m HUN 2444 = * = 1 = 1 = 1 1 = = = = 1
> 9.0 2402
> 3. Werner, Dimo m GER 2334 0 = * = = 1 = 1 = = 1 1 = 1
> 8.5 2380
> 4. Hasanova, Elmira wm RUS 2282 1 0 = * 0 1 = 0 0 1 1 1 1 1
> 8.0 2361
> 5. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 0 = = 1 * 0 = = = = = 1 1 1
> 7.5 2334
> 6. Fodor, Tamas jr f HUN 2269 = 0 0 0 1 * = = 1 1 0 = 1 1
> 7.0 2304
> 7. Lengyel, Bela m HUN 2302 = = = = = = * = = = = 0 1 =
> 6.5 2272
> 8. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 0 0 1 = = = * = 0 = 1 1 1
> 6.5 2275
> 9. Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 0 0 = 1 = 0 = = * 0 1 1 = 0
> 5.5 2219
> 10. Charleshouse, Glenn L f ENG 2212 0 = = 0 = 0 = 1 1 * = = = 0
> 5.5 2222
> 11. Chetverik, Maxim m RUS 2305 0 = 0 0 = 1 = = 0 = * = = 1
> 5.5 2215
> 12. Prohaszka, Peter2 HUN 2265 = = 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 = = * 1 1
> 5.5 2218
> 13. Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 0 = = 0 0 0 0 0 = = = 0 * =
> 3.0 2061
> 14. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 = *
> 3.0 2076
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> First Saturday Chess Tournament Series
> May 2005
> IM Tournament
>
>
> No Name Feder Rtg Title #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 #12 #13 #14
> 1. Galyas, Miklos HUN 2444 im * 1 1 = = = 1 1 = = = = 1 =
> 2. Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 0 * 1 0 = 0 = = 1 = 1 = 1 0
> 3. Hasanova, Elmira RUS 2282 wim 0 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 = 1 =
> 4. Caruana, Fabiano USA 2255 fm = 1 0 * 1 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1
> 5. Chetverik, Maxim RUS 2305 im = = 0 0 * = 0 1 = = = = 1 0
> 6. Charleshouse, Glenn ENG 2212 fm = 1 0 0 = * 1 0 = = = = 0 =
> 7. Lundin, Jan SWE 2252 0 = 1 0 1 0 * 0 = = 1 = 0 =
> 8. Fodor, Tamas Jr. HUN 2269 fm 0 = 0 = 0 1 1 * 1 1 = = 1 0
> 9. Koneru, Chandra IND 2305 = 0 0 0 = = = 0 * 0 0 0 = =
> 10. Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 = = 1 0 = = = 0 1 * 1 = 1 =
> 11. Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 = 0 0 = = = 0 = 1 0 * 1 1 0
> 12. Lengyel, Bela HUN 2302 im = = = = = = = = 1 = 0 * = =
> 13. Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 0 = * 0
> 14. Werner, Dimo GER 2334 im = 1 = 0 1 = = 1 = = 1 = 1 *
>
> Round 1
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Galyas, Miklos =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 7 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> Round 2
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 2 Koneru, Chandra =:= Lundin, Jan
> 3 Niemi, Kalle =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 4 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 5 Lengyel, Bela =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 6 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 7 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> Round 3
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Erdelyi, Zombor 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 3 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 4 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 5 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 6 Lundin, Jan =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 7 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> Round 4
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 2 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 3 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Lundin, Jan
> 4 Lengyel, Bela =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 5 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Chetverik, Maxim
> 6 Galyas, Miklos =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 7 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> Round 5
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Hasanova, Elmira =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 3 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 4 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 5 Lundin, Jan =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 6 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Prohaszka, Peter
> 7 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> Round 6
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 2 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 3 Lengyel, Bela =:= Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 4 Katsuhara, Osamu 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 5 Galyas, Miklos =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> 6 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 7 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Caruana, Fabiano
> Round 7
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 3 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Erdelyi, Zombor
> 4 Lundin, Jan 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
> 5 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 6 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Lengyel, Bela
> 7 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> Round 8
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 2 Lengyel, Bela =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 3 Katsuhara, Osamu =:= Koneru, Chandra
> 4 Galyas, Miklos 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 5 Erdelyi, Zombor =:= Lundin, Jan
> 6 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 7 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> Round 9
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Chetverik, Maxim 0:1 Werner, Dimo
> 2 Charleshouse, Glenn 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 3 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Hasanova, Elmira
> 4 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 5 Koneru, Chandra =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 6 Niemi, Kalle 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 7 Prohaszka, Peter 1:0 Lengyel, Bela
> Round 10
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 2 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Prohaszka, Peter
> 3 Galyas, Miklos =:= Niemi, Kalle
> 4 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 5 Hasanova, Elmira 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 6 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> 7 Chetverik, Maxim =:= Charleshouse, Glenn
> Round 11
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Charleshouse, Glenn =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Lundin, Jan 1:0 Chetverik, Maxim
> 3 Fodor, Tamas Jr. =:= Caruana, Fabiano
> 4 Koneru, Chandra 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 5 Niemi, Kalle =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 6 Prohaszka, Peter =:= Galyas, Miklos
> 7 Lengyel, Bela =:= Katsuhara, Osamu
> Round 12
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Werner, Dimo 1:0 Katsuhara, Osamu
> 2 Galyas, Miklos =:= Lengyel, Bela
> 3 Erdelyi, Zombor 1:0 Prohaszka, Peter
> 4 Hasanova, Elmira 0:1 Niemi, Kalle
> 5 Caruana, Fabiano 1:0 Koneru, Chandra
> 6 Chetverik, Maxim 1:0 Fodor, Tamas Jr.
> 7 Charleshouse, Glenn 1:0 Lundin, Jan
> Round 13
> No Name Result Name
>
> 1 Lundin, Jan =:= Werner, Dimo
> 2 Fodor, Tamas Jr. 1:0 Charleshouse, Glenn
> 3 Koneru, Chandra =:= Chetverik, Maxim
> 4 Niemi, Kalle 0:1 Caruana, Fabiano
> 5 Prohaszka, Peter 0:1 Hasanova, Elmira
> 6 Lengyel, Bela =:= Erdelyi, Zombor
> 7 Katsuhara, Osamu 0:1 Galyas, Miklos
>
> Final Ranking
> No. PNo. Name Score WP SB PS rat.
> TPR W-We
> 1. 4 Caruana, Fabiano 10.0 81.0 59.00 64.0 2255
> 2487 +3.89
> 2. 1 Galyas, Miklos 9.0 82.0 56.00 64.0 2444
> 2403 -0.62
> 3. 14 Werner, Dimo 8.5 82.5 50.00 60.0 2334
> 2380 +0.83
> 4. 3 Hasanova, Elmira 8.0 83.0 47.00 52.0 2282
> 2361 +1.37
> 5. 10 Niemi, Kalle 7.5 83.5 43.00 51.5 2247
> 2334 +1.52
> 6. 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr 7.0 84.0 38.75 54.5 2269
> 2304 +0.63
> 7. 12 Lengyel, Bela 6.5 84.5 41.00 46.5 2302
> 2273 -0.52
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor 6.5 84.5 35.50 40.5 2264
> 2276 +0.26
> 9. 5 Chetverik, Maxim 5.5 85.5 31.75 41.0 2305
> 2216 -1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter 5.5 85.5 31.00 41.0 2265
> 2219 -0.74
> 7 Lundin, Jan 5.5 85.5 35.00 37.5 2259
> 2219 -0.74
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. 5.5 85.5 34.75 39.5 2212
> 2223 +0.17
> 13. 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa 3.0 88.0 18.50 23.5 2305
> 2062 -4.02
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu 3.0 88.0 15.75 21.5 2106
> 2077 -0.38
>
>
> Final Rating Results
> nr Name Fed T rating Rat-ID tot Rc N W
> W-We
> 1 Galyas, Miklos HUN IM 2444 707244 9.0 2262 13 9
> -0.62
> 2 Erdelyi, Zombor HUN 2264 720410 6.5 2276 13 6.5
> +0.26
> 3 Hasanova, Elmira RUS WIM 2282 4148827 8.0 2274 13 8
> +1.37
> 4 Caruana, Fabiano USA FM 2255 2020009 10.0 2276 13 10
> +3.89
> 5 Chetverik, Maxim RUS IM 2305 4106784 5.5 2273 13 5.5
> -1.52
> 6 Charleshouse, Glenn L. ENG FM 2212 406228 5.5 2280 13 5.5
> +0.17
> 7 Lundin, Jan SWE 2259 1706896 5.5 2276 13 5.5
> -0.74
> 8 Fodor, Tamas Jr HUN FM 2269 723762 7.0 2275 13 7
> +0.63
> 9 Koneru, Chandra Hawsa IND 2305 5018242 3.0 2273 13 3
> -4.02
> 10 Niemi, Kalle FIN 2247 504378 7.5 2277 13 7.5
> +1.52
> 11 Prohaszka, Peter HUN 2265 726265 5.5 2276 13 5.5
> -0.74
> 12 Lengyel, Bela HUN IM 2302 700592 6.5 2273 13 6.5
> -0.52
> 13 Katsuhara, Osamu JPN 2106 2022656 3.0 2288 13 3
> -0.38
> 14 Werner, Dimo GER IM 2334 4601696 8.5 2270 13 8.5
> +0.83
>