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| Sam Sloan 2005-04-24, 8:39 pm |
| On 22 Apr 2005 15:49:06 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
<tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:
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>parrthenon@cs.com wrote:
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> Larry, whether they are outright lies I can't say, but just checking
>some incidents in which I was tangentially involved, I found some clear
>factual errors on Sloan's site. Two relevant examples:
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>1) At http://www.ishipress.com/winter.htm, Sloan wrote:
> "[Edward] Winter had been attacking Keene's books. The gist of
>Winter's complaints were that Keene wrote opening books, whereas Winter
>wanted more books on chess history."
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> This is an absurd misrepresentation of Winter's views, as anyone at
>all familiar with the long-running Winter-Keene feud knows. Winter's
>main complaint (an entirely valid one, by the way) is that Keene's
>books are full of factual errors. It has nothing to do with the balance
>between openings and history.
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>2) At http://www.anusha.com/evanswin.htm, Sloan quotes a letter from
>Winter, published in the 10/2001 Chess Life:
> "Thank you for the opportunity to comment briefly on the recent
>denunciations of me in Larry Evans' column. To start with the latest
>assault, his August 2001 column quotes a reader as alleging that in
>1986 I 'submitted an attack against Keene over 100 pages long'. In
>reality, my text consisted of two pages of factual self-defense (in
>reaction to a series of false attacks on me by Keene), supported by 22
>pages of background corroboration (not all written by me)."
>
> The reader making those allegations was in fact Sam Sloan (Chess
>Life, 8/2001, page 16). Sloan clearly seems to be mistaken about any
>attack "over 100 pages long," and he was notified of this nearly four
>years ago.
> So if, as you claim, Sloan "usually issues immediate corrections,"
>where are his retractions of these falsehoods?
Mr.. Kingston,
You are simply unaware of the facts. I covered this matter as a
newspaper reporter for the Gulf News at the World Chess Olympiad in
Dubai in 1986. I did not see you there. There was a great deal of
discussion and debate on this issue. Mr. Winter's complaint was indeed
that Keene did not write books on chess history. Also, Mr. Winter
constantly nitpicks claiming to have found tiny errors in the work of
Keene and others including Larry Evans, while never contributing
anything himself.
Mr. Winter's "ethics complaint" presented to the 1986 World Chess
Congress was indeed about one hundred pages long. It is true that much
of it consisted of copies of newspaper articles and the like but Mr.
Winter insisted that his complaint and all the newspaper articles be
translated into five FIDE languages including Arabic. This proved to
be a tremendous waste of money to pay all these translators who were
flown in from France and other countries because when it came to the
FIDE Delegate's Floor not one delegate among the more than one hundred
countries represented there supported it.
I am surprised that you are taking Mr. Winter's side in this dispute.
Have you ever mt Mr. Winter? I doubt you have because nobody has ever
met him. His name is probably a pseudonym.
Sam Sloan
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| SveLeo@aol.com 2005-04-25, 8:48 pm |
| I think that Edward Winter is the Bin Laden of modern chess
journalism.No one has ever seen him and practically everyone bears a
grudge against him. Owing to his slander I was accused of plagiarism!
Mr.H.Russell was standing by him and until today he has been boycotting
all my writings. And now I know that Winter has been fired!
Poor Winter! I really feel sorry for him...
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| Taylor Kingston 2005-04-25, 8:48 pm |
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Sve...@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> I think that Edward Winter is the Bin Laden of modern chess
> journalism.No one has ever seen him and practically everyone bears a
> grudge against him. Owing to his slander I was accused of plagiarism!
Lev, you conveniently fail to mention that you did in fact commit
plagiarism.
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| Sam Sloan 2005-04-25, 8:48 pm |
| On 25 Apr 2005 06:50:12 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
<tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:
quote:
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>Sve...@aol.com wrote:
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> Lev, you conveniently fail to mention that you did in fact commit
>plagiarism.
>
Oh, Great. Finally, Taylor Kingston attacks someone besides me.
Sam Sloan
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| Sam Sloan 2005-04-25, 8:48 pm |
| On 23 Apr 2005 10:48:11 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
<tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:
quote:
>Sam Sloan wrote:
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> I tend to doubt your interpretation of events here, Sam. Surely such
>a diverse organization as FIDE always has translators on hand as a
>matter of course at its meetings. It seems more than slightly
>implausible that they would have to bring in special translators for
>one specific job, especially to translate something from English, one
>of the most widely spoken languages in the world.
>
>
> Sorry Sam, but I am more inclined to believe the actual author of the
>documents, than someone who claims merely to have looked at them. The
>great ignorance you have shown about Winter in your other claims does
>not inspire my confidence.
> For you to have a case, it is incumbent upon you to produce the
>actual text of Winter's documents, showing they exceed 100 pages. So
>far you haven't produced even a single quote to support your other
>claim that Winter thought Keene wrote too much about openings and not
>enough about history.
I do not have to prove a case. You are the person making a claim.
Therefore, you have to prove it.
As far as I am aware, you have never attended a FIDE Congress. I have
attended many of them. Therefore, I know more about it than you do.
What makes you think that "a diverse organization as FIDE always has
translators on hand". As far as I am aware, the last Fide Congress
where the organization brought in paid translators was Dubai 1986. In
the Congresses I have attended since that time I did not see
translators present.
It is precisely because if the Winter incident that FIDE stopped
requiring the organizers to provide translators. The Shaikh of Dubai
spent thousands of dollars paying translators and the Winter complaint
was probably more than all of the rest combined. In the end, everybody
threw the Edward Winter documents in the trash. I am not aware of
anybody who kept them, except for me, and I lost my copies when my
brother sold my mother's house.
Why do not you ask your friend and mentor Mr. Winter to produce his
copy and post it here?
Edward Winter has a long history of attacking chess personalities in
print. He especially likes to attack anything written by Raymond Keene
although Larry Evans, Eric Schiller, Bobby Fischer and even myself are
occasionally his targets. Just because Edward Winter says something
does not make it true.
Sam Sloan
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| The Historian 2005-04-26, 8:34 pm |
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Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:
> On 25 Apr 2005 06:50:12 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
> <tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:
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plagiarism![vbcol=seagreen]
> Oh, Great. Finally, Taylor Kingston attacks someone besides me.
>
> Sam Sloan
Obviously Sam Sloan the Convicted Felon hasn't read Mr. Kingston's book
reviews.
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