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Greg Shahade

2005-04-21, 3:33 am

For anyone to act that Mr. Bauer's candidacy should be invalidated
for his method of payment is absurd. Frankly I'm tired of hearing of it
and wish that people would stop wasting time and giving the accusors
the responses that they so clearly don't deserve.

Greg Shahade

2005-04-21, 3:33 am

Im very sorry I meant to add this at the end of another thread. I
somehow have difficulties with the google newsgroups, hopefully I'll
learn soon enough.

George John

2005-04-21, 3:33 am

Greg,

You might give the Google Groups interface a try at
http://groups.google.com. For the most part, I think it works well.
It has (at least) two different ways to reply, and both work fine.

I plead guilty to the charge of responding to too many repetitive
charges. My concern is that many people don't read all the posts. So,
if I fail to answer a charge, I look unresponsive. What is worse is so
much stuff gets copy and pasted to other groups like the FIDE-Chess
Yahoo group. It becomes tedious to have to respond to the exact same
message more than once. I wish it would either stop, or the person
doing the cloning would have the courtesy to continue the cloning
process rather than let themselves have the last word.

You would probably do us all a big favor by posting some fresh topics
about how to improve chess in the United States, and how the USCF would
best help with that. It would probably help your campaign, and give us
some much needed new, constructive topics. I was about to do that
myself, but I will gladly defer to you. I very much look forward to
other candidates, such as yourself, joining in the discussion. You do
seem to have the necessary thick skin to do well here, too. I hope to
see more posts from you.

OTOH, some people like the strategy of remaining in stealth mode. It
was once thought that posting on rgcp was guaranteed to doom a
campaign, but Tim and Randy won, and have posted here frequently, and
might I say sometimes quite candidly. ;-) So maybe there is hope for
campaigning out in the open.

Given my strong interest in transparent governance, I like candidates
to be out in the open like Randy Bauer, Sam Sloan, and I are on rgcp.
It gives those with an interest ample opportunity to ask us questions,
and learn more about us. Some voters will be turned off by what we
say, but that's okay. I would much prefer to have people vote either
for or against me based on what I really stand for rather than some
fantasy about what I think, or what my campaign manager (which I don't
have) and other surrogates are telling people for me.

Best regards,

George John

Greg Shahade

2005-04-21, 3:33 am

I have a few ideas. I'll even post one right now in a very condensed
form. As some people probably know, my primary source of income is as a
poker player. The big poker tournaments have a ridiculous number of
people who love to gamble and play games. The World Series of Poker
will probably have tens of thousands of players all together at the
same location. At a lot of the poker tournaments I'm at, a huge number
of the players are fascinated by and very interested in chess.

Anyway to make a long story short, I think it'd be an interesting idea
for the USCF to go after this customer base and plan to hold a few
tournaments very close by these poker events and advertise them heavily
wherever the poker touranment is being held. Maybe you don't even have
to run a big tournament, but just work with the poker organizers and
run some kind of poker/chess tournament, where your result in the chess
tournament determines how many chips you start with in a poker
tournament.

Anyway I haven't worked out any specific details, but there is simply
a huge customer base of people that love to play games, gamble and have
lots of money, and I feel that with some creativity and ambition, the
USCF could gain a signifigant number of members by tapping into this
player pool.

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-21, 3:33 am

RANDY'S SHUFFLE

<What a bunch of bull. I follow the directions that USCF sends to
candidates, posts on its website, and publishes in its magazine TO THE
LETTER, and, in Phil Innes' flaky brain it becomes "Randy's shuffle."
There is a reason I no longer bother answering his interminable
questions -- he has no ability to reach a logical conclusion. The
zealots -- Sloan, Innes, Parr -- fit Churchill's definition to a T --
they can't change their mind and won't change the subject.> Randy Bauer

Randy Bauer defended the exclusion of Sam Sloan's candidate's
statement from the April 2005 Chess Life on the basis that deadlines
are there to be met and regulations are there to be followed as
written.

It was a vicious, sanctimonious and dishonest diatribe.

The bylaws provide for candidates sending their entry fees, as
it were, directly to the secretary. That is as written.

The issue is not whether Mr. Bauer met the terms or conditions
laid down in Chess Life, etc. He did. Nobody is arguing that point.

The issue is whether he met HIS OWN standard that he applied to
Sam Sloan, an election opponent: following the operative rules, as
written. The bylaws come before announcements in Chess Life or on the
USCF website.

Mr. Bauer did not.

There is to be one standard for him. A second standard for
Sam Sloan.

Mr. Bauer's defense is that Mr. Sloan can seek court redress,
and he will bet anyone $1,000 (or, presumably, more) that the
secretary's certification of his candidacy will stand up in court.

I, too, think it will stand up in court.

That is the moral measure of Mr. Bauer, as he himself reckons
it.

Greg Shahade

2005-04-21, 6:35 am

I'm going to be honest that I don't know all the details behind
Sloan's withheld statement, so it's hard for me to make an absolute
judgement one way or another. In cases like that I'd generally lean
towards allowing a statement to go to print, unless the violation was
blatant. This would be especially true if I had vocally spoken out
against the candidate in other matters.

Tom Klem

2005-04-21, 6:35 am

Sadly, it is not your internet skills which should be at issue, but the
candidacy of liars like Sam Sloan.

Glad you have the fortitude to state your mind on the ridiculous swirl being
generated by Larry Parr and Sam Sloan. I have always admired Larry's vast
talents, and will continue to do so; however, he has gotten on the wrong
side of reality. Yes, reality. Sloan and Goichberg have spun up an alternate
reality universe for themselves to play in, and they should not be allowed
to force us to live in it.

Cordially,
Tom Klem

"Greg Shahade" <gregshahade@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Im very sorry I meant to add this at the end of another thread. I
> somehow have difficulties with the google newsgroups, hopefully I'll
> learn soon enough.
>

Liam Too

2005-04-21, 8:31 pm

Greg Shahade wrote:

quote:

> I have a few ideas. I'll even post one right now in a very condensed
> form. As some people probably know, my primary source of income is as

quote:

> poker player. The big poker tournaments have a ridiculous number of
> people who love to gamble and play games. The World Series of Poker
> will probably have tens of thousands of players all together at the
> same location. At a lot of the poker tournaments I'm at, a huge

number

quote:

> of the players are fascinated by and very interested in chess.
>
> Anyway to make a long story short, I think it'd be an interesting

idea

quote:

> for the USCF to go after this customer base and plan to hold a few
> tournaments very close by these poker events and advertise them

heavily

quote:

> wherever the poker touranment is being held. Maybe you don't even

have

quote:

> to run a big tournament, but just work with the poker organizers and
> run some kind of poker/chess tournament, where your result in the

chess

quote:

> tournament determines how many chips you start with in a poker
> tournament.
>
> Anyway I haven't worked out any specific details, but there is simply
> a huge customer base of people that love to play games, gamble and

have

quote:

> lots of money, and I feel that with some creativity and ambition, the
> USCF could gain a signifigant number of members by tapping into this
> player pool.

I totally agree. A lot of poker players love to play chess as well.
Poker World Champions like Mortensen of Spain and Lederrer here in the
USA are very good chessplayers.

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-22, 3:30 am

SAM SLOAN ALWAYS WRONG?

quote:

>Sloan has constantly lied about everything. Nothing comes to mind that

he has ever been correct about or told the truth about....Sorry Larry,
you've gotten it all wrong this time.> Tom Klem

Dear Tom,

Sam has been right far more times than he has been wrong, though
he has been wrong too often for the kind of labor he performs. He
needs to check before releasing material in his haste to get a scoop.

The criticism over the Leko affair would be deadly if Sam had
been putting his stuff in a newspaper. But for an Internet site, he
circulated the latest rumor that was posted elsewhere first. At least
I understood it as such.

As for Sam always being wrong, I recollect when writing material
on Bobby Fischer at www.worldchessnetwork.com, he wrote to me in the
most matter of fact way in the world that Gerhard Fischer was not
really Bobby's father. Sam said there was no doubt on the score and
that those who were close to Bobby knew this as a fact. I didn't
believe Sam and got it all wrong in my own article.

Much of the material at Sam's web page is self-evidently of
value. Anyone saying otherwise is lacking objectivity.

Angelo DePalma

2005-04-22, 3:30 am

Larry,

Ever hear of Jayson Blair? He was the NY Times reporter who literally made
up stories for a couple of years. "Sitting next to Ms. Smith, holding her
hand as the sun sets over the Appalach...." Pure B.S. The guy would "report"
from W. Va. while taking crack on his couch in Brooklyn. After the Times
fired him (reluctantly) he "wrote" a "book" about the black experience in
the newspaper business. Yawn.

Add to that the fact that newspapers report all kinds of crap, in good
faith, that's plain wrong. For years health reporters were telling us to
drink, drink, drink water while exercising or outdoors, but that turns out
to be a bad idea. Hundreds of people have died because of that
misinformation.

One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a liar. He
has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a particular point of
view. But an outright liar gets caught too easily. Sam may think too highly
of his reporting skills, but he's not dumb enough to set himself up. Sam
Sloan has done more for chess with his crazy posts than most of the boring,
self-serving windbags who post here (yourself excluded, although you are
prone to windbagginess).

By the way, did you hear that Petrosian was recently killed in a bicycle
accident? In Malaysia? While delivering coconuts for a Mexican restaurant in
Budapest?

Cordially,

Boris Spassky

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote

quote:

> The criticism over the Leko affair would be deadly if Sam had
> been putting his stuff in a newspaper. But for an Internet site, he
> circulated the latest rumor that was posted elsewhere first. At least
> I understood it as such.
>

Mike Murray

2005-04-22, 6:30 am

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:55:21 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
<adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote:

quote:

>By the way, did you hear that Petrosian was recently killed in a bicycle
>accident? In Malaysia? While delivering coconuts for a Mexican restaurant in
>Budapest?

Well, at least he was on his second life. That's more than you can
say for most of us.

Tom Klem

2005-04-22, 6:30 am

yeah, we have lower journalistic standards here on the internet.

and you bet, i am biased. sam helped to destroy a burgeoning chess
population in a state that had only a handful of players before the early
nineties. i'd say he has done a lot more damage than good, and i would have
to say to this day, that "i" cannot think of a single good thing which he
has done.

anyone who believes sam sloan to be the savior of this newsgroup (with its
already low standards) needs to vote for him for uscfian board member. why
not lower their standards too.

the standards on this newsgroup are so low, that i think i can afford to
stop even a cursory proof reading of what i post.

cordially (lower case standards are in effect),
tom klem

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> SAM SLOAN ALWAYS WRONG?
>
> he has ever been correct about or told the truth about....Sorry Larry,
> you've gotten it all wrong this time.> Tom Klem
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> Sam has been right far more times than he has been wrong, though
> he has been wrong too often for the kind of labor he performs. He
> needs to check before releasing material in his haste to get a scoop.
>
> The criticism over the Leko affair would be deadly if Sam had
> been putting his stuff in a newspaper. But for an Internet site, he
> circulated the latest rumor that was posted elsewhere first. At least
> I understood it as such.
>
> As for Sam always being wrong, I recollect when writing material
> on Bobby Fischer at www.worldchessnetwork.com, he wrote to me in the
> most matter of fact way in the world that Gerhard Fischer was not
> really Bobby's father. Sam said there was no doubt on the score and
> that those who were close to Bobby knew this as a fact. I didn't
> believe Sam and got it all wrong in my own article.
>
> Much of the material at Sam's web page is self-evidently of
> value. Anyone saying otherwise is lacking objectivity.
>

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

NEWSGROUP MYTH

One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
easily.> Angelo DePalma

Angelo,

Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
facts that Sam compiled.

I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
nasty correspondents for information.they provide.

I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
Evans' suspicions.

Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
yourself.

Tom Klem

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

Larry,

Have you forgotten? Sam Sloan admitted on this newsgroup, that he was a paid
prevaricator for the USCF.

The list of lies he told about Nevada is unending.

Like the kiddie magazine for voting lie that he manufactured, as just one
example. Sam had access to the truth. He was paid to lie, and lie he did.

Tom Klem
"You cannot polish a turd"
---Irv Kluger

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> NEWSGROUP MYTH
>
> One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
> liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
> particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
> easily.> Angelo DePalma
>
> Angelo,
>
> Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
> Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
> Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
> chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
> sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
> think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
> facts that Sam compiled.
>
> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
> misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
> other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
> be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
> nasty correspondents for information.they provide.
>
> I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
> the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
> 100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
> This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
> excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
> News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
> on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
> Evans' suspicions.
>
> Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
> yourself.
>

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

HOW FIDE CHEATED SUSAN POLGAR

A reader asked for the link to RIGGING RATINGS. It was reprinted in
Evans On Chess (12/15/03).

http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/En...vans/031215.php

<Sam had access to the truth. He was paid to lie, and lie he did.> Tom
Klem

Proof please, Tom. I'm no longer familiar with the details. How
much was Sam Sloan paid to lie and by whom?

Didn't the splinter group in Nevada lose the case in court?

GM Larry Evans once told me this group put his name on the ballot
without even asking him. When he was easily elected, he immediately
resigned and complained about the fraudulent use of his name.

The fact that he contributed articles for the Newsletter in no way
constituted an endorsement of its views any more than he endorses the
editorial policy of the newspapers in which his weekly syndicated
column appears.

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

Tom Klem

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

Larry,

Next lie from Sam Sloan.

Remember the claim that US Chess Live was putting spyware on your computer
that would send your private banking and other info off your computer to
'spys'?

The proof was provided by this writer that this was yet another fabrication
by Sam Sloan.

His handlers wanted him to destroy the reputation of USCL, so out they
trotted their paid prevaricator, Sam Sloan, who obliged with a technical
issue which he had no knowledge of, but which the general public was afraid
of. OOOOOooooo, my computer has spyware. Puhh-lease.

The evidence that Sam was paid by the USCF was in a post by none other than
Sam Sloan himself. I guess he actually did publish one thing which wasn't a
lie. At the time, however, he was upset because his checks had stopped
coming. So, he gave up his former employers and let all of us know just how
pathetic they were and he is.

Cordially,
Tom Klem

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> HOW FIDE CHEATED SUSAN POLGAR
>
> A reader asked for the link to RIGGING RATINGS. It was reprinted in
> Evans On Chess (12/15/03).
>
> http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/En...vans/031215.php
>
> <Sam had access to the truth. He was paid to lie, and lie he did.> Tom
> Klem
>
> Proof please, Tom. I'm no longer familiar with the details. How
> much was Sam Sloan paid to lie and by whom?
>
> Didn't the splinter group in Nevada lose the case in court?
>
> GM Larry Evans once told me this group put his name on the ballot
> without even asking him. When he was easily elected, he immediately
> resigned and complained about the fraudulent use of his name.
>
> The fact that he contributed articles for the Newsletter in no way
> constituted an endorsement of its views any more than he endorses the
> editorial policy of the newspapers in which his weekly syndicated
> column appears.
>

Angelo DePalma

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

The latest, best, and most sensible medical advice is to drink only when
you're thirsty. The nonsense about drinking "ahead" of your thirst has
caused countless deaths among athletes, particularly runners. It appears
that during strenuous exercise your kidneys stop generating urine, so the
water you drink remains in your body and swells your brain cells and dilutes
minerals like sodium to dangerously low levels. A recent NYTimes article
tells of runners during the NY Marathon who were taken to the emergency room
and assumed to be dehydrated without testing electrolyte levels. So the
dimwits in the ER gave them -- fluids, which killed them.

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> NEWSGROUP MYTH
>
> One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
> liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
> particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
> easily.> Angelo DePalma
>
> Angelo,
>
> Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
> Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
> Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
> chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
> sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
> think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
> facts that Sam compiled.
>
> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
> misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
> other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
> be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
> nasty correspondents for information.they provide.
>
> I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
> the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
> 100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
> This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
> excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
> News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
> on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
> Evans' suspicions.
>
> Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
> yourself.
>

Taylor Kingston

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

Mike Murray wrote:

quote:

> It appears folks confused dehydration with hypothermia. Instead of
> drinking all that water, it would have been better to pour it on the
> runners' heads.

Mike, are you sure you mean "hypothermia"? That means a sub-normal
body temperature, as from immersion in an icy pond.

Mike Murray

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:07:53 -0400, "Angelo DePalma"
<adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote:

quote:

>The latest, best, and most sensible medical advice is to drink only when
>you're thirsty. The nonsense about drinking "ahead" of your thirst has
>caused countless deaths among athletes, particularly runners. It appears
>that during strenuous exercise your kidneys stop generating urine, so the
>water you drink remains in your body and swells your brain cells and dilutes
>minerals like sodium to dangerously low levels. A recent NYTimes article
>tells of runners during the NY Marathon who were taken to the emergency room
>and assumed to be dehydrated without testing electrolyte levels. So the
>dimwits in the ER gave them -- fluids, which killed them.

It appears folks confused dehydration with hypothermia. Instead of
drinking all that water, it would have been better to pour it on the
runners' heads.

Sam Sloan

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Larry,
>
>Have you forgotten? Sam Sloan admitted on this newsgroup, that he was a paid
>prevaricator for the USCF.

I was being sarcastic. Obviously, nobody pays me to post here.

quote:

>The list of lies he told about Nevada is unending.
>
>Like the kiddie magazine for voting lie that he manufactured, as just one
>example. Sam had access to the truth. He was paid to lie, and lie he did.
>
>Tom Klem
>"You cannot polish a turd"
>---Irv Kluger

I did not say this. I merely posted that somebody else had said this
at a USCF Committee meeting. Several other persons present in the room
when this happened have confirmed that that person did say that.

You are blaming me for your problems when I merely reported that you
and Stan Vaughan are the cause of your own problems and your group
was thrown out by USCF President Denis Barry in 1995 long before I
became interested in such matters.Since Denis Barry is now dead you
blame me.

Stan Vaughan incoprporated in the State of Nevada the following
organizations:

World Chess Federation
American Chess Federation
Nevada Chess, Inc.

You then had the audacity to claim that nobody could play rated chess
in Nevada or anywhere in the world for that matter without the
permission of your organization.

You were thrown out and the Nevada judge dismissed your case with good
reason, none of which had anything to do with me.

Sam Sloan

Chess One

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

Good post.

Phil Innes

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> NEWSGROUP MYTH
>
> One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
> liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
> particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
> easily.> Angelo DePalma
>
> Angelo,
>
> Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
> Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
> Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
> chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
> sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
> think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
> facts that Sam compiled.
>
> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
> misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
> other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
> be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
> nasty correspondents for information.they provide.
>
> I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
> the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
> 100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
> This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
> excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
> News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
> on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
> Evans' suspicions.
>
> Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
> yourself.
>

blahusenet@yahoo.com

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotoh...@tellurian.net>
:One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
liar. He

myth? sloan posted that person(s) in his email list had certain
opinions which was proven to be wrong. sloan then tried to cover up by
cut and paste on one of those person's posts to completely change the
meaning of the post. that is lying. or are you saying sloan did not
post the untrue opinion and that he did not cut the response to his
message and put it under grant perks message?

if you did not see it here is recent usenet post regarding it. what
sloan wrote about does not matter. the fact that what he wrote was
false does matter. the fact that he has not denied writting it or has
not take responsibilty for it matters.

-----------------------------------------------------
From: blahusenet@yahoo.com
Date: 18 Apr 2005 16:32:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Deafening Silence
To:

we have here what looks like a delibrate attempt by sam sloan to
falsify information. the above was called a "fabrication" by owens on
sam's newsgroup this morning. owens said he was responding to sam's
post and not perks. here is owens' post as it originally appeared:

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From: "Steve in Tennessee" <p944dc@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:38 am
Subject: Re: Deafening Silence

I am from TN, have property not 60 miles from the land
under consideration, and I say you are all wet on the
issue.

On 17 Apr 2005 at 8:15, fide-chess@yahoogroups.com wrote:

quote:

> You are not fromTennessee and everybody on this group who is
> fromTennessee says that wetlands is a very serious issue not to be
> taken lightly.
>

--
Steve OWENS in Tennessee
"Knowledge is, in every country, the surest basis for
public happiness." --George Washington
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and now here is how sloan reposted it:

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From: sloan@...
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Deafening Silence

On 16 Apr 2005 14:54:40 -0700, "Grant Perks" <gperks2@...> wrote:

quote:

>Sam,
>
>There is a building to the east of the supposed "wetland" that is just
>about as close as the one that the USCF is planning will be.
>
>While I don't pretend to know the Tennessee definition of a wetland,
>there can't be much of an issue over this puddle on the property line.
>
>GRant
>

I am from TN, have property not 60 miles from the land
under consideration, and I say you are all wet on the
issue.

--
Steve OWENS in Tennessee
"Knowledge is, in every country, the surest basis for
public happiness." --George Washington
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as we can see sloan took owens' writing from a reply to sloan's post
and pasted it onto perks comments to look as if owens was in agreement
with sloan. that, from everything owens has written that i can find,
is not the case. there is nothing for slaon to read that would seem to
agree with sloan in owens' comments. parrthenon's effort to
rehabilitate sloan's obvious attempt at deception falls apart on this
ground.

bottom line: sloan lied and as owens alledged "fabricated" a message to
support sloan's lie. nothing that comes from sloan can be trusted.
who knows what is fact and fiction from sloan and what he has
"fabricated" to support his fiction.

these messages can be viewed on yahoo groups in these urls and their
threads:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group...s/message/19967
(the message owens replied to in 19981)

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group...s/message/19986
(sloan's faked message)

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group...s/message/19981
(owens' true message replying to slaon's comments)

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group...s/message/19998
(owens asking sloan why sloan "fabricated" the message)

what else is sloan lying about?
---------------------------------

Mike Murray

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

On 22 Apr 2005 10:58:08 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
<tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:

quote:

>
>Mike Murray wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Mike, are you sure you mean "hypothermia"? That means a sub-normal
>body temperature, as from immersion in an icy pond.

Sorry. I meant hyperthermia.

Tom Klem

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

As usual, your facts are incorrect. With your vast connections to USCFian
records and politicians, the only sane conclusion one can draw is that you
are lying (again and again).

I was never thrown out of the USCF. I boycontted them in 1997 or 1998 (it's
been so long I have forgotten which year). Caballo and Klink used my absence
to "revoke" a non member from Club TD status. What a laugh. Perhaps you are
in sympathy with such pettiness. Goes towards the organizational imperative
at the time, "we're going to get Stan Vaughan", which cost the Fed hundreds
of thousands of dollars and thousands of members, setting back the Nevada
Chess population ten years.

Not exactly living up to the mission statement there, are they Spammy?

Your so called "reportage" was calculated to have an effect on the candidacy
of one John Blackstone, whose campaign manager was Stan Vaughan. More lies,
political expediency, and just plain baloney from Honest Abe Sloan.

--
Tom Klem

"Slanders, Libels and Defamations are our business!"
---sign hanging up in the back of Spam Sloan's rusting cab.

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:426939dd.26086125@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
paid[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I was being sarcastic. Obviously, nobody pays me to post here.
>
>
> I did not say this. I merely posted that somebody else had said this
> at a USCF Committee meeting. Several other persons present in the room
> when this happened have confirmed that that person did say that.
>
> You are blaming me for your problems when I merely reported that you
> and Stan Vaughan are the cause of your own problems and your group
> was thrown out by USCF President Denis Barry in 1995 long before I
> became interested in such matters.Since Denis Barry is now dead you
> blame me.
>
> Stan Vaughan incoprporated in the State of Nevada the following
> organizations:
>
> World Chess Federation
> American Chess Federation
> Nevada Chess, Inc.
>
> You then had the audacity to claim that nobody could play rated chess
> in Nevada or anywhere in the world for that matter without the
> permission of your organization.
>
> You were thrown out and the Nevada judge dismissed your case with good
> reason, none of which had anything to do with me.
>
> Sam Sloan

StanB

2005-04-22, 8:33 pm

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar.

Liar.

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-24, 6:35 am

SAM SLOAN ALWAYS WRONG?

quote:

>Sloan has constantly lied about everything. Nothing comes to mind that

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

Taylor Kingston

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

Mike Murray wrote:

quote:

> It appears folks confused dehydration with hypothermia. Instead of
> drinking all that water, it would have been better to pour it on the
> runners' heads.

Mike, are you sure you mean "hypothermia"? That means a sub-normal
body temperature, as from immersion in an icy pond.

Sam Sloan

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Larry,
>
>Have you forgotten? Sam Sloan admitted on this newsgroup, that he was a paid
>prevaricator for the USCF.

I was being sarcastic. Obviously, nobody pays me to post here.

quote:

>The list of lies he told about Nevada is unending.
>
>Like the kiddie magazine for voting lie that he manufactured, as just one
>example. Sam had access to the truth. He was paid to lie, and lie he did.
>
>Tom Klem
>"You cannot polish a turd"
>---Irv Kluger

Chess One

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

Good post.

Phil Innes

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> NEWSGROUP MYTH
>
> One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
> liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
> particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
> easily.> Angelo DePalma
>
> Angelo,
>
> Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
> Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
> Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
> chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
> sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
> think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
> facts that Sam compiled.
>
> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
> misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
> other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
> be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
> nasty correspondents for information.they provide.
>
> I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
> the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
> 100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
> This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
> excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
> News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
> on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
> Evans' suspicions.
>
> Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
> yourself.
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

quote:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
paid[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I was being sarcastic. Obviously, nobody pays me to post here.
>
>
> I did not say this. I merely posted that somebody else had said this
> at a USCF Committee meeting. Several other persons present in the room
> when this happened have confirmed that that person did say that.
>
> You are blaming me for your problems when I merely reported that you
> and Stan Vaughan are the cause of your own problems and your group
> was thrown out by USCF President Denis Barry in 1995 long before I
> became interested in such matters.Since Denis Barry is now dead you
> blame me.
>
> Stan Vaughan incoprporated in the State of Nevada the following
> organizations:
>
> World Chess Federation
> American Chess Federation
> Nevada Chess, Inc.
>
> You then had the audacity to claim that nobody could play rated chess
> in Nevada or anywhere in the world for that matter without the
> permission of your organization.
>
> You were thrown out and the Nevada judge dismissed your case with good
> reason, none of which had anything to do with me.
>
> Sam Sloan

Mike Murray

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

On 22 Apr 2005 10:58:08 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
<tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote:

quote:

>
>Mike Murray wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Mike, are you sure you mean "hypothermia"? That means a sub-normal
>body temperature, as from immersion in an icy pond.

Sorry. I meant hyperthermia.

StanB

2005-04-24, 8:38 pm

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar.

Liar.

Chess One

2005-04-27, 12:35 am

Good post.

Phil Innes

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1114176496.471454.241220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> NEWSGROUP MYTH
>
> One of the biggest myths of this newsgroup is that Sam Sloan is a
> liar. He has made reporting mistakes, and he's biased towards a
> particular point of view. But an outright liar gets caught too
> easily.> Angelo DePalma
>
> Angelo,
>
> Well, right. Sam's webpage is a gold mine of chess information.
> Here's an example: he got a lot of things wrong when writing about
> Norman Whitaker, a character about whom Arnold Denker and I wrote a
> chapter in our book, The Bobby Fischer I Knew and Other Stories. Sam
> sent me a private message asking to use my info. I said of course. I
> think the message I wrote on Whitaker is somewhere in that mausoleum of
> facts that Sam compiled.
>
> I doubt that most readers here regard Sam as a liar. They know he
> misreported Leko's death (so did others before him) and a number of
> other things, but they also know that's because he is always trying to
> be first. He usually issues immediate corrections and often thanks
> nasty correspondents for information.they provide.
>
> I recall that GM Larry Evans in his weekly syndicated column broke
> the story in America in 1986 about how FIDE rigged ratings by awarding
> 100 free rating points to every woman in the world except Susan Polgar.
> This happened at the Dubai Olympiad (where an Israeli team was
> excluded) and Sam Sloan was there on the spot reporting for the Gulf
> News. He was booted from an "open meeting" where this plot was hatched
> on the pretext of using data from Prof. Elo, but Sam confirmed GM
> Evans' suspicions.
>
> Now what's this about not drinking water? Please explain
> yourself.
>

Liam Too

2005-04-27, 7:45 pm

Greg Shahade wrote:

quote:

> I have a few ideas. I'll even post one right now in a very condensed
> form. As some people probably know, my primary source of income is as

quote:

> poker player. The big poker tournaments have a ridiculous number of
> people who love to gamble and play games. The World Series of Poker
> will probably have tens of thousands of players all together at the
> same location. At a lot of the poker tournaments I'm at, a huge

number

quote:

> of the players are fascinated by and very interested in chess.
>
> Anyway to make a long story short, I think it'd be an interesting

idea

quote:

> for the USCF to go after this customer base and plan to hold a few
> tournaments very close by these poker events and advertise them

heavily

quote:

> wherever the poker touranment is being held. Maybe you don't even

have

quote:

> to run a big tournament, but just work with the poker organizers and
> run some kind of poker/chess tournament, where your result in the

chess

quote:

> tournament determines how many chips you start with in a poker
> tournament.
>
> Anyway I haven't worked out any specific details, but there is simply
> a huge customer base of people that love to play games, gamble and

have

quote:

> lots of money, and I feel that with some creativity and ambition, the
> USCF could gain a signifigant number of members by tapping into this
> player pool.

I totally agree. A lot of poker players love to play chess as well.
Poker World Champions like Mortensen of Spain and Lederrer here in the
USA are very good chessplayers.