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Brennan hate-speech again and again

Chess One

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

In a non-chess newsgroup Neil Brennan volunteered accusations that I held
anti-semitic views, to which this poster replied

Bianca Steele wrote:

quote:

>
> I don't worry that you're a racist, Phil; if you were a racist, you
> would speak only to men of your own ethnic group, and regard the rest
> of us as not worth any effort on your part towards civility.

Brennan then wrote:

This is the same Philth Innes who posted to a thread titled "Did Six
Million Really Die?" and who regularly defends antiSemites on the
newsgroups. It's not hard to tell which way the wind is blowing.....

-------
Brennan is insinuating something but quoting nothing. He has written
thousands of these posts. Taylor Kingston never noticed any of them, and
characterises them as 'a dispute' whereas he notices every bit of
hate-speech from Fischer.

It must be dissapointing for Brennan that I work with Susan Polgar who is
Jewish, and who is sending me her new book! This is the same GM Polgar who
used to write here until we heard from Brennan and Booz that it was
'Trollgar".

This is utterly disgusting.

Phil Innes

Spam Scone

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

Tom Klem wrote:

quote:

> Dear Phil,
>
> I have no idea whether or not you wrote "Did ... really die?"

A little time with Google will produce the post, Tom. I will add that
Philth did not originate the thread, but merely contributed what he
probably considered lighthearted humor about genocide.

Tom Klem

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

Dear Phil,

I have no idea whether or not you wrote "Did ... really die?"

That line of thinking is generally considered to be anti-semitic. For anyone
to attack you for your opinion on this subject, prior to World War II, would
generally not have been tolerated. Frankly, most people in America, would
have considered such an attack, an abridgement of free speech. Nowadays, it
is an automatic assumption that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck
.... it is a duck. Unfortunately, this is not always the case, though some
continually make it.

Hatred and negativity put many people off of Chess, and to be honest it is
the elephant in the living room as I have stated here many times. Bigotry
and hatred, generally go hand in hand, so I guess we should expect that one
groups chess preferences over anothers will result in hate speech ... and
that is that. That being said, I don't believe it profitable or wise for us
to seek the differences between us. Rather, I would prefer hearing how we
can make Chess (here and worldwide) a better sport. I would prefer to hear
that we were free of such encumbrances as bigotry and hatred. So much for my
preferences.

FIDE, though not much better, has a motto which I think we should all follow
here: "We are all friends" (roughly translated---to be sure). Many years
ago, I learned that "there is no substitue for winning". That attitude, cost
me many years and friendships.

For the humble hobbiest, as I prefer to be known, it is simply not
acceptable to hate anyone. Chess, afterall, is supposed to be a game, a
sport, a diversion from life's cares and woes, and a chance to think
logically with all your pieces in view (on the board as it were), with
nothing hidden, no impure motives, and certainly no skullduggery possible
over the board.

Would that life were as simple as a game of Chess.

Cordially,
Tom Klem

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> In a non-chess newsgroup Neil Brennan volunteered accusations that I held
> anti-semitic views, to which this poster replied
>
> Bianca Steele wrote:
>
> Brennan then wrote:
>
> This is the same Philth Innes who posted to a thread titled "Did Six
> Million Really Die?" and who regularly defends antiSemites on the
> newsgroups. It's not hard to tell which way the wind is blowing.....
>
> -------
> Brennan is insinuating something but quoting nothing. He has written
> thousands of these posts. Taylor Kingston never noticed any of them, and
> characterises them as 'a dispute' whereas he notices every bit of
> hate-speech from Fischer.
>
> It must be dissapointing for Brennan that I work with Susan Polgar who is
> Jewish, and who is sending me her new book! This is the same GM Polgar who
> used to write here until we heard from Brennan and Booz that it was
> 'Trollgar".
>
> This is utterly disgusting.
>
> Phil Innes
>
>

Chess One

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:kRZ3e.52749$AN1.50350@fed1read03...

quote:

> Dear Phil,
>
> I have no idea whether or not you wrote "Did ... really die?"

What the hell are you talking about Tom? Phil

quote:

> That line of thinking is generally considered to be anti-semitic. For
> anyone
> to attack you for your opinion on this subject, prior to World War II,
> would
> generally not have been tolerated. Frankly, most people in America, would
> have considered such an attack, an abridgement of free speech. Nowadays,
> it
> is an automatic assumption that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a
> duck
> ... it is a duck. Unfortunately, this is not always the case, though some
> continually make it.
>
> Hatred and negativity put many people off of Chess, and to be honest it is
> the elephant in the living room as I have stated here many times. Bigotry
> and hatred, generally go hand in hand, so I guess we should expect that
> one
> groups chess preferences over anothers will result in hate speech ... and
> that is that. That being said, I don't believe it profitable or wise for
> us
> to seek the differences between us. Rather, I would prefer hearing how we
> can make Chess (here and worldwide) a better sport. I would prefer to hear
> that we were free of such encumbrances as bigotry and hatred. So much for
> my
> preferences.
>
> FIDE, though not much better, has a motto which I think we should all
> follow
> here: "We are all friends" (roughly translated---to be sure). Many years
> ago, I learned that "there is no substitue for winning". That attitude,
> cost
> me many years and friendships.
>
> For the humble hobbiest, as I prefer to be known, it is simply not
> acceptable to hate anyone. Chess, afterall, is supposed to be a game, a
> sport, a diversion from life's cares and woes, and a chance to think
> logically with all your pieces in view (on the board as it were), with
> nothing hidden, no impure motives, and certainly no skullduggery possible
> over the board.
>
> Would that life were as simple as a game of Chess.
>
> Cordially,
> Tom Klem
>
>
>
> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:kzZ3e.10606$7b.2228@trndny05...
>
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

Apparently, I have no idea. My point was to exort posters and players alike
to have some consideration for the game of Chess, help promote Chess, and do
so with kindness and good sportsmanship.

My point is, this kind of hate speech (not by you, but purported in another
newsgroup to be by you), is exactly what we don't need.

It used to be that whoever uttered the word Hitler, ended the thread.

Let me be the first: Hitler

Tom Klem

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quote:

>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:kRZ3e.52749$AN1.50350@fed1read03...
>
> What the hell are you talking about Tom? Phil
>
>
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>

Spam Scone

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

Tom Klem wrote:

quote:

> Apparently, I have no idea. My point was to exort posters and players

alike

quote:

> to have some consideration for the game of Chess, help promote Chess,

and do

quote:

> so with kindness and good sportsmanship.
>
> My point is, this kind of hate speech (not by you, but purported in

another

quote:

> newsgroup to be by you), is exactly what we don't need.
>
> It used to be that whoever uttered the word Hitler, ended the thread.
>
> Let me be the first: Hitler

I agree, Tom. Now, could you please use your "pull" with Mr. Innes to
have him stop libeling me with the "hate-speech" tag?

Tom Klem

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

You are on your own there.

Everybody!! Play nice, or I'll clear my throat.

Tom Klem

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quote:

>
> Tom Klem wrote:
> alike
> and do
> another
>
> I agree, Tom. Now, could you please use your "pull" with Mr. Innes to
> have him stop libeling me with the "hate-speech" tag?
>

Nick

2005-04-07, 6:07 pm

Spam Scone wrote:

quote:

> Tom Klem wrote (to Phil Innes):

As I recall, in his scholarly history, 'The Destruction
of the European Jews', Raul Hilberg (who's Jewish) has
arrived at the total of 5.1 million (rather than the
usually cited six million) deaths of Jewish persons
as the consequence of the Nazi genocide.

One academic historian of my acquaintance prefers in
his university lectures to say that 'between five and
six million Jews were killed'.

Of course, the possibility that the usually cited
total of six million Jewish deaths could be somewhat
high does *not* absolve the Nazis of their moral
responsibility for that genocide.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> A little time with Google will produce the post, Tom.
> I will add that Philth did not originate the thread,
> but merely contributed what he probably considered
> lighthearted humor about genocide.

My comment here is not intended to be about the dispute
between Neil Brennen and Phil Innes in particular.

I have heard at least several distasteful 'jokes' about
the genocide in such countries as Cambodia and Rwanda.
It seems to me that some people regard those kind of
'jokes' as more acceptable when the genocide's victims
were not Europeans.

"If he hadn't been such a good friend, I would have
laughed out loud. You must be kidding, I said.
*No one in America gives a damn about Rwanda.*"
--Deborah Scroggins (Emma's War, p. 330)
(Deborah Scroggins is a white American journalist
who has covered news stories in Africa.)

--Nick

Chess One

2005-04-07, 6:08 pm

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Cn%3e.52778$AN1.43938@fed1read03...

quote:

> Apparently, I have no idea. My point was to exort posters and players
> alike
> to have some consideration for the game of Chess, help promote Chess, and
> do
> so with kindness and good sportsmanship.
>
> My point is, this kind of hate speech (not by you, but purported in
> another
> newsgroup to be by you), is exactly what we don't need.
>
> It used to be that whoever uttered the word Hitler, ended the thread.
>
> Let me be the first: Hitler

Well, that didn't work Tom.

As an example of anti-semitism read this weekends New York Times or New York
Daily News, who talk about anti-semiticm in Hungary as the Polgars
experienced it. Even one of them at age 4! Kudos to Jose Cuichi who got them
an invitation to the NY Open, and broke the no-travel outside the country
rule, for the Polgars.

Phil

quote:

> Tom Klem

Tom Klem

2005-04-07, 6:08 pm

I forget which one of the Polgars got it, but a friend of mine here in Vegas
met them right after they arrived in the US, and gave one a very pretty
silver pendant. I have seen it on her on at least one occasion, so I assume
it means something to her.

--
Tom Klem

"The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
bigotry."

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Cn%3e.52778$AN1.43938@fed1read03...
and[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, that didn't work Tom.
>
> As an example of anti-semitism read this weekends New York Times or New

York

quote:

> Daily News, who talk about anti-semiticm in Hungary as the Polgars
> experienced it. Even one of them at age 4! Kudos to Jose Cuichi who got

them

quote:

> an invitation to the NY Open, and broke the no-travel outside the country
> rule, for the Polgars.
>
> Phil
>
>
>

Chess One

2005-04-07, 6:08 pm

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:sRc4e.66001$AN1.5527@fed1read03...

quote:

>I forget which one of the Polgars got it, but a friend of mine here in
>Vegas
> met them right after they arrived in the US, and gave one a very pretty
> silver pendant. I have seen it on her on at least one occasion, so I
> assume
> it means something to her.

Laugh - my friend played Judit in a simul in Boston. He was doing very well
but lost the thread, then the game - later we went over it and I found a
convincing line that gave him a win. Pipe-dreams! Of course, if I had been
playing the game I probably wouldn't have seen it OTB

You get the silver-medal Tom for peace-keeping on this occasion. I'm not
sure anyone deserves a gold for ordinary civility.

Phil

quote:

> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-07, 6:09 pm

quote:

>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Cn%3e.52778$AN1.43938@fed1read03...
and[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, that didn't work Tom.
>
> As an example of anti-semitism read this weekends New York Times or New

York

quote:

> Daily News, who talk about anti-semiticm in Hungary as the Polgars
> experienced it. Even one of them at age 4! Kudos to Jose Cuichi who got

them

quote:

> an invitation to the NY Open, and broke the no-travel outside the country
> rule, for the Polgars.
>
> Phil
>
>
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-08, 6:54 am

quote:

>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:kRZ3e.52749$AN1.50350@fed1read03...
>
> What the hell are you talking about Tom? Phil
>
>
would[vbcol=seagreen]
some[vbcol=seagreen]
is[vbcol=seagreen]
Bigotry[vbcol=seagreen]
and[vbcol=seagreen]
we[vbcol=seagreen]
hear[vbcol=seagreen]
for[vbcol=seagreen]
possible[vbcol=seagreen]
held[vbcol=seagreen]
and[vbcol=seagreen]
is[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>

Chess One

2005-04-08, 6:54 am

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:kRZ3e.52749$AN1.50350@fed1read03...

quote:

> Dear Phil,
>
> I have no idea whether or not you wrote "Did ... really die?"

What the hell are you talking about Tom? Phil

quote:

> That line of thinking is generally considered to be anti-semitic. For
> anyone
> to attack you for your opinion on this subject, prior to World War II,
> would
> generally not have been tolerated. Frankly, most people in America, would
> have considered such an attack, an abridgement of free speech. Nowadays,
> it
> is an automatic assumption that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a
> duck
> ... it is a duck. Unfortunately, this is not always the case, though some
> continually make it.
>
> Hatred and negativity put many people off of Chess, and to be honest it is
> the elephant in the living room as I have stated here many times. Bigotry
> and hatred, generally go hand in hand, so I guess we should expect that
> one
> groups chess preferences over anothers will result in hate speech ... and
> that is that. That being said, I don't believe it profitable or wise for
> us
> to seek the differences between us. Rather, I would prefer hearing how we
> can make Chess (here and worldwide) a better sport. I would prefer to hear
> that we were free of such encumbrances as bigotry and hatred. So much for
> my
> preferences.
>
> FIDE, though not much better, has a motto which I think we should all
> follow
> here: "We are all friends" (roughly translated---to be sure). Many years
> ago, I learned that "there is no substitue for winning". That attitude,
> cost
> me many years and friendships.
>
> For the humble hobbiest, as I prefer to be known, it is simply not
> acceptable to hate anyone. Chess, afterall, is supposed to be a game, a
> sport, a diversion from life's cares and woes, and a chance to think
> logically with all your pieces in view (on the board as it were), with
> nothing hidden, no impure motives, and certainly no skullduggery possible
> over the board.
>
> Would that life were as simple as a game of Chess.
>
> Cordially,
> Tom Klem
>
>
>
> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:kzZ3e.10606$7b.2228@trndny05...
>
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-08, 6:54 am

quote:

>
> Tom Klem wrote:
> alike
> and do
> another
>
> I agree, Tom. Now, could you please use your "pull" with Mr. Innes to
> have him stop libeling me with the "hate-speech" tag?
>

Spam Scone

2005-04-08, 6:54 am

Tom Klem wrote:

quote:

> Apparently, I have no idea. My point was to exort posters and players

alike

quote:

> to have some consideration for the game of Chess, help promote Chess,

and do

quote:

> so with kindness and good sportsmanship.
>
> My point is, this kind of hate speech (not by you, but purported in

another

quote:

> newsgroup to be by you), is exactly what we don't need.
>
> It used to be that whoever uttered the word Hitler, ended the thread.
>
> Let me be the first: Hitler

I agree, Tom. Now, could you please use your "pull" with Mr. Innes to
have him stop libeling me with the "hate-speech" tag?

Chess One

2005-04-09, 5:57 pm

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:sRc4e.66001$AN1.5527@fed1read03...

quote:

>I forget which one of the Polgars got it, but a friend of mine here in
>Vegas
> met them right after they arrived in the US, and gave one a very pretty
> silver pendant. I have seen it on her on at least one occasion, so I
> assume
> it means something to her.

You get the silver-medal Tom for peace-keeping on this occasion. I'm not
sure anyone deserves a gold for ordinary civility.

Phil

quote:

> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>

Tom Klem

2005-04-11, 5:59 pm

quote:

>
> "Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Cn%3e.52778$AN1.43938@fed1read03...
and[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, that didn't work Tom.
>
> As an example of anti-semitism read this weekends New York Times or New

York

quote:

> Daily News, who talk about anti-semiticm in Hungary as the Polgars
> experienced it. Even one of them at age 4! Kudos to Jose Cuichi who got

them

quote:

> an invitation to the NY Open, and broke the no-travel outside the country
> rule, for the Polgars.
>
> Phil
>
>
>

Chess One

2005-04-11, 5:59 pm

"Tom Klem" <thewiz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:sRc4e.66001$AN1.5527@fed1read03...

quote:

>I forget which one of the Polgars got it, but a friend of mine here in
>Vegas
> met them right after they arrived in the US, and gave one a very pretty
> silver pendant. I have seen it on her on at least one occasion, so I
> assume
> it means something to her.

You get the silver-medal Tom for peace-keeping on this occasion. I'm not
sure anyone deserves a gold for ordinary civility.

Phil

quote:

> --
> Tom Klem
>
> "The Elephant in the Living Room of USCF politics, is unabated hatred and
> bigotry."
>