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> Do you really think that 100 years from now anyone is really going to

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> about what Fischer said? Look back at the first champions and they

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> equally colorful.

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> And a game 1,000 times stronger than his critics could ever hope to

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> Had any of you friends or loved ones who acted like this, you'd get them
> help. But Fischer doesn't get help--he gets a citizenship, from the good
> taxpayers of Iceland, who now have made the world news for the first time
> since...1972?

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> "The Masked Bishop" <tmb@chesscave.com> wrote in message
> news:AA%0e.14368$DW.11150@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
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>
> No, their ideas for geothermal power are well documented in the

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> Unfortunately they don't seem to realize that the rest of us don't

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> volcanic hot springs under our houses.

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> <Working quietly behind the scenes Boris Spassky, Larry Evans, Don
> Schultz and other noted chessers helped persuade Iceland to grant
> Fischer asylum. Every little bit helped.> Larry Parr
>
> <Shame on them all. Particularly Schultz, the USCF doesn't need
> leaders who aid and abet criminals.> Anonymouse
>
> decent human being but because he's not a criminal. In that sense,
> his fight is our fight. But only in that sense."> Larry Parr
>
> < Yes, actually he is.> -- Anonymouse
>
> Really. What was Bobby Fischer convicted of?
>
> Contrary to Doom & Gloom Dave, I think it's laudable that people
> who Bobby trashed on his website nevertheless worked for his release
> as a matter of principle.

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>
> ...
> Do you really think that 100 years from now anyone is really going to care
> about what Fischer said? Look back at the first champions and they were
> equally colorful.

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> Bobby's back in style, now standing on Icelandic soil, flanked by his new
> hosts who are still flush with the emotion of flash celebrity that comes
> to
> people who don't often get recognized for anything.
>
> And what does he have to say? Oh, the usual: the USA is evil, chess sucks,
> and the Jews are out to get him. Standard boiler-plate Fischer, the usual
> paranoid rantings of someone with clear mental problems.
>
> Had any of you friends or loved ones who acted like this, you'd get them
> help. But Fischer doesn't get help--he gets a citizenship, from the good
> taxpayers of Iceland, who now have made the world news for the first time
> since...1972?
>
> They must be so proud.
>
>

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> In fact Fischer is behaving himself, compared with the radio interviews,
> very well. In the many interviews he gave after his release he did not
> use the word "f*cking" once, which is remarkable for somebody who has been
> unlawfully detained for nine months (and proofs that he does not suffer
> from the Tourette syndrome, as Tim Krabbe once suggested). Furthermore,
> his ranting towards Jews, is limited to one phrase, "The Jew-controlled
> USA".

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> care about what Fischer said? Look back at the first champions and
> they were equally colorful.> Ray Gordon
>
> True. As long as chess is played, Fischer's masterpieces will
> remain immortal. "Pay attention to Fischer's games, not his opinions,"
> wrote GM Evans in Chess Life, March 2005.
>
> Working quietly behind the scenes Boris Spassky, Larry Evans, Don
> Schultz and other noted chessers helped persuade Iceland to grant
> Fischer asylum. Every little bit helped.
>
> As I noted earlier, "Bobby deserves his freedom not because he's a
> decent human being but because he's not a criminal. In that sense,
> his fight is our fight. But only in that sense."

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>
> Yes, and today nobody remembers Wagner's anti-semitism right? <snort>

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> Shame on them all. Particularly Schultz, the USCF doesn't need leaders
> who
> aid and abet criminals.

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>
> Yes, actually he is.

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> order.

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> Alekhine pissed on the floor of a chess hall during a title match

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> because he was drunk. I forget if he won the game that day or not.

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> "Peter van der Hoog" wrote:
>
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>
> I dont know anything about power circles in the US. But there must be

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> explanation why the US assaults Iraq, that never to my knowledge

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> conquer the US, but on the other hand supports Israel in their

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> colonization of land of their neighbours.

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>
> If Fischer's explanation is not correct, and of course it does not

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> be, then what is the explanation?
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> HansJ

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>
> Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison; does that make him a

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>
> 100 years from now of course Fischer's political views will be a small but
> not unimportant part of his biography, as today are those of Paul Morphy.
> I copy from Wikipedia:

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> ==================
> (After quitting chess) He then began to think of beginning his law career.
> Unfortunately, he was unable to, as in 1861 the American Civil War broke
> out, disrupting life in New Orleans. Opposed to secession, Morphy did not
> serve in the Confederate Army but remained for a while in New Orleans,
> then left the city for Paris. He lived for a time in Paris to avoid the
> war, returning to New Orleans afterwards.

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> His principled stance against the war was unpopular in his native South,
> and he was unable to begin practice of the law after the war. Attempts to
> open a law office failed due to a lack of clients; if anyone came to his
> office, it was invariably in regards to chess. Financially secure thanks
> to his family fortune, Morphy had effectively no profession and he spent
> the rest of his life in idleness. Asked by admirers to play chess again,
> he refused...

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> Morphy's final years were tragic. Depressed, he spent his last years
> wandering around the French Quarter of New Orleans, talking to people no
> one else could see, and having irrational feelings of persecution.
> ==================
>
> From a progressive viewpoint, Fisher's, like Morphy's, political ideas,
> though exaggerated and ill-presented, are basically correct and up to the
> point. It goes without saying that they are also extremely unpopular among
> the many conservative and politically misinformed contemporary Americans.
>
> There is no question that the 9/11 strikes were a direct result of the US
> foreign policy in the Middle East (unconditional support for Israel,
> continued embargo against Iraq that caused over 1,500,000 deaths, military
> bases in Saudi Arabia). It is clear that Zionists, either directly or
> through their notorious AIPAC lobby, exert inordinate influence over US
> foreign policies. It is also historically a fact that the extermination of
> the Native Americans and the colonization of Palestine are criminal acts.
> These are the main truths behind Fischer's "rantings". (Of course I don't
> expect to convince those who do not want to be convinced...)
>
> BTW, compared with Paul Morphy, Bobby Fischer seems to be doing
> psychologically much better. It is important that he does not hear voices,
> a typical symptom of schizophrenia. And he has developed a stable
> emotional relation, which diagnostically is not insignificant.

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> Even if he has been keeping up with chess study, Fischer would be
> fortunate today to play at more than 2500-2550 strength. Formidible,
> but a lot of grandmasters today would have a more than reasonable
> chance of beating him in a match (assuming he would ever play).

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> "The Masked Bishop" <tmb@chesscave.com> schreef in bericht
> news:AA%0e.14368$DW.11150@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> ...his ranting towards Jews, is limited to one phrase, "The Jew-controlled
> USA".

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>
> Does that make him suddenly weak?
>
> His game was at a level where even age shouldn't slow him down much, any
> more than it would stop you or me from knowing how to add 2 and 2.

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> Had any of you friends or loved ones who acted like this, you'd get them
> help.

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> But Fischer doesn't get help--he gets a citizenship,

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> and the Jews are out to get him. Standard boiler-plate Fischer, the usual
> paranoid rantings of someone with clear mental problems.

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> Had any of you friends or loved ones who acted like this, you'd get them
> help. But Fischer doesn't get help--he gets a citizenship, from the good
> taxpayers of Iceland, who now have made the world news for the first time
> since...1972?

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> They must be so proud.

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>
> It probably varies with the specific health issues of the player, but
> generally I agree that some older players can compensate for age to a
> degree by experience. It wouldn't be enough to place Fischer in the top
> 100

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>
> ...
> Do you really think that 100 years from now anyone is really going to care
> about what Fischer said? Look back at the first champions and they were
> equally colorful.

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> There is no question that the 9/11 strikes were a direct result of the US
> foreign policy in the Middle East (unconditional support for Israel,
> continued embargo against Iraq that caused over 1,500,000 deaths, military
> bases in Saudi Arabia). It is clear that Zionists, either directly or
> through their notorious AIPAC lobby, exert inordinate influence over US
> foreign policies. It is also historically a fact that the extermination of
> the Native Americans and the colonization of Palestine are criminal acts.
> These are the main truths behind Fischer's "rantings". (Of course I don't
> expect to convince those who do not want to be convinced...)

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> care about what Fischer said? Look back at the first champions and
> they were equally colorful.> Ray Gordon
>
> True. As long as chess is played, Fischer's masterpieces will
> remain immortal. "Pay attention to Fischer's games, not his opinions,"
> wrote GM Evans in Chess Life, March 2005.
>
> Working quietly behind the scenes Boris Spassky, Larry Evans, Don
> Schultz and other noted chessers helped persuade Iceland to grant
> Fischer asylum. Every little bit helped.
>
> As I noted earlier, "Bobby deserves his freedom not because he's a
> decent human being but because he's not a criminal. In that sense,
> his fight is our fight. But only in that sense."

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>
> Yes, and today nobody remembers Wagner's anti-semitism right? <snort>

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> Shame on them all. Particularly Schultz, the USCF doesn't need leaders
> who
> aid and abet criminals.

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>
> Yes, actually he is.

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> achieve.
>
> I don't recall Bobby playing ANY games in the past 13 years.

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> care
> were
>
> Mr. Gordon has an odd definition of 'colorful', and shows great
> ignorance of chess history. No world champion has ever come close to
> Fischer for utter offensiveness. Even Alekhine's 'Jewish and Aryan
> Chess' articles are mild by comparison with what Fischer has said.

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> It's been nearly 60 years since Alekhine died, and his articles are
> still very well remembered. I doubt that Fischer's much more
> inflammatory statements will be forgotten a century from now.

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>
> 100 years from now of course Fischer's political views will be a small but
> not unimportant part of his biography, as today are those of Paul Morphy.
> I copy from Wikipedia:

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> ==================
> (After quitting chess) He then began to think of beginning his law career.
> Unfortunately, he was unable to, as in 1861 the American Civil War broke
> out, disrupting life in New Orleans. Opposed to secession, Morphy did not
> serve in the Confederate Army but remained for a while in New Orleans,
> then left the city for Paris. He lived for a time in Paris to avoid the
> war, returning to New Orleans afterwards.

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> His principled stance against the war was unpopular in his native South,
> and he was unable to begin practice of the law after the war. Attempts to
> open a law office failed due to a lack of clients; if anyone came to his
> office, it was invariably in regards to chess. Financially secure thanks
> to his family fortune, Morphy had effectively no profession and he spent
> the rest of his life in idleness. Asked by admirers to play chess again,
> he refused...

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> Morphy's final years were tragic. Depressed, he spent his last years
> wandering around the French Quarter of New Orleans, talking to people no
> one else could see, and having irrational feelings of persecution.
> ==================
>
> From a progressive viewpoint, Fisher's, like Morphy's, political ideas,
> though exaggerated and ill-presented, are basically correct and up to the
> point. It goes without saying that they are also extremely unpopular among
> the many conservative and politically misinformed contemporary Americans.
>
> There is no question that the 9/11 strikes were a direct result of the US
> foreign policy in the Middle East (unconditional support for Israel,
> continued embargo against Iraq that caused over 1,500,000 deaths, military
> bases in Saudi Arabia). It is clear that Zionists, either directly or
> through their notorious AIPAC lobby, exert inordinate influence over US
> foreign policies. It is also historically a fact that the extermination of
> the Native Americans and the colonization of Palestine are criminal acts.
> These are the main truths behind Fischer's "rantings". (Of course I don't
> expect to convince those who do not want to be convinced...)
>
> BTW, compared with Paul Morphy, Bobby Fischer seems to be doing
> psychologically much better. It is important that he does not hear voices,
> a typical symptom of schizophrenia. And he has developed a stable
> emotional relation, which diagnostically is not insignificant.

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>
> Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison; does that make him a

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>
> It probably varies with the specific health issues of the player, but
> generally I agree that some older players can compensate for age to a
> degree by experience. It wouldn't be enough to place Fischer in the top
> 100

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> over the board, but that is understanding of the game was still as
> deep as anyone's. Aging players lose stamina and maybe tactical
> calculation ability, but their understanding and intuition stays
> strong.