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Questions for Mr. Bauer (the true leader of the USCF)
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| Mr. Bauer, didn't the executive board muzzle Booz? Does he speak for
this executive board? Why does he have so much to say about everything?
How does he know the inside information? Why do the executive board
members allow Booz to attack USCF members and other board members? If
not, why is he not muzzled? Do you condone his obnoxious behavior? Is
he the official pitbull of the folks in power? Can you confirm this?
Thanks in advance!
CS
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-25, 6:51 am |
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"CS" <cschmidt@usa.com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Bauer, didn't the executive board muzzle Booz? Does he speak for
> this executive board? Why does he have so much to say about everything?
> How does he know the inside information? Why do the executive board
> members allow Booz to attack USCF members and other board members? If
> not, why is he not muzzled? Do you condone his obnoxious behavior? Is
> he the official pitbull of the folks in power? Can you confirm this?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> CS
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Stan Booz is a USCF member, an active tournament player, and a volunteer who
provides his expertise as a CPA to the USCF in a variety of ways. I greatly
value his professional expertise and appreciate his guidance on a number of
financial issues.
That said, Stan is free to speak his mind on these newsgroups and is no
different than anybody else. At least he puts his USCF dues money where his
mouth is, which is quite a bit different than others who post nearly as
often (or at least are much more wordy). I have NEVER, EVER seen Stan post
in a way that suggests he is speaking for the executive board. Stan speaks
for Stan, and he has the "give em hell, Harry" approach of Harry Truman.
It's a free country.
Randy Bauer
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| Duncan Oxley 2005-03-25, 6:51 am |
| Very well put. Agree 100%.
"Randy Bauer" <randybauer2300@yahoo.com> wrote
quote:
> That said, Stan is free to speak his mind on these newsgroups and is no
> different than anybody else. At least he puts his USCF dues money where
> his mouth is, which is quite a bit different than others who post nearly
> as often (or at least are much more wordy). I have NEVER, EVER seen Stan
> post in a way that suggests he is speaking for the executive board. Stan
> speaks for Stan, and he has the "give em hell, Harry" approach of Harry
> Truman. It's a free country.
>
> Randy Bauer
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| Tom Kle1n 2005-03-25, 6:51 am |
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"Doom & Gloom Dave" <dwhent@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> CS wrote:
> Why does the other side not muzzle Sloan?
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Un, I dun-no? Dogs everywhere would be insulted??
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| Mike Nolan 2005-03-26, 9:53 pm |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
quote:
>Grant Perks was FIRED by Beatriz Marinello.
According to Grant he was NOT FIRED. I guess Grant's word on that is
good enough for me.
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Mike Nolan
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| Mike Nolan 2005-03-26, 9:53 pm |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
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>Go back and read what he wrote at the time of the event in question.
What, my phone conversation with him that day and numerous subsequent
conversattions since he left New Windsor aren't sufficient?
I don't think he ever posted that he had been fired, I think he posted
that based on what others said, he guessed he must have been fired
after all. Look up 'sarcasm' in your Funk & Wagnall's.
--
Mike Nolan
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| Sam Sloan 2005-03-26, 9:53 pm |
| On 23 Mar 2005 19:14:02 GMT, nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
quote:
>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
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>According to Grant he was NOT FIRED. I guess Grant's word on that is
>good enough for me.
>--
>Mike Nolan
Go back and read what he wrote at the time of the event in question.
Sam Sloan
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| Grant Perks 2005-03-26, 9:53 pm |
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Mike Nolan wrote:
quote:
> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
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> What, my phone conversation with him that day and numerous subsequent
> conversattions since he left New Windsor aren't sufficient?
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> I don't think he ever posted that he had been fired, I think he
posted
quote:
> that based on what others said, he guessed he must have been fired
> after all. Look up 'sarcasm' in your Funk & Wagnall's.
> --
> Mike Nolan
I don't remember ever posting it either.
-Grant
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> 1. I am not a USCF official. Stan Booz is co-chairman of the USCF
> Audit Committee.
Nor will you ever be.
quote:
> 2. I have never used profanity. Stan Booz called Board member Frank
> Brady "a big prick" on this group.
That is not profane in that sense.
quote:
> Regarding the "motly crew of nerdo well unemployeds or minimally
> employeds", look at the list.
>
> Tim Hanke is unemployed and has been fired from many jobs.
Not true. He teaches several Latin classes at school and works parttime for
a magazine.
quote:
> Beatriz Marinello has no job except for being Chief Operating Officer
> in clear volation of USCF by-laws.
Not true. She works for the NY public school system.
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> Steve Shutt has no job other than teaching chess to children.
Not true. He is a full time employee of the Philadelphia public school
system.
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> Thus, Randy Bauer is now the only member of the board who has a
> regular paying job. Frank Brady has an important and demanding job,
> but now he is no longer on the board.
Sam who hasn't been able to hold a job for all of his adult life says we
should not have such people on the board. Why then is he running?
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> Then kindly explain why you feel that the USCF Board should not at a
> minimum write a letter to Stan Booz admonishing him not to do this any
> more.
Because they choose not to infringe on my first amendment rights?
quote:
> I feel and many others feel that Stan Booz should have immediately
> been removed from his positions.
You, Don, Frank, and Bill are not a quorum much less a majority.
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> George John running for election as a member of the Marinello slate
> gives us five paragraphs of high falutin horseshit as ususal.
Watch your language Sam. You're not in the Bowery now.
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-28, 5:56 pm |
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<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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> <We like George John, Robert Tanner, Joel Channing and Randy Bauer. We
> do not like Booz. He is a drunk. He should have never been appointed to
> this position. Anyone who defends Booz will lose a lot of vote.> --
> Sarcasm
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quote:
> When this writer recently asked whether Mr.
> Bauer had included legal fees on his personal
> estimates of the costs for moving to Cross-to-Bear, he
> responded that he had not, defending the omission on
> the basis that legal fees would have been much heavier
> if the Federation had stayed in New Windsor. This
> writer then adduced a message of last October, when
> Mr. Bauer blithely told us that there were no legal
> problems. Indeed, so hunky-dory was everything, Board
> members had not even discussed for "weeks" the
> contents of a major letter from a Tennessee legal
> attack dog.
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> Mr. Bauer has since gone silent on the issue.
> He hopes his nailed lie will be forgotten. Hence the
> possibility that the man has no conscience.
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There is no lie, the statements were not and are not mutually exclusive. I
wrote last October, and still believe, that the USCF would have prevailed or
suffered only minimal damages if the city of Crossville had sued us. Our
legal counsel reached the same conclusion. However, I think it's likely
that they would have sued -- local politics would just about demand it. If
they had, we would have had to pay legal fees to defend the lawsuit. As I
noted recently, they would have sued with real lawyers, and it's likely that
the expenses would have been greater than is currently necessary to defend
the Sam Sloan pro se lawsuits.
Larry Parr knows this, because he's a pretty smart guy able to analyze
circumstances. Unfortunately, he has chosen to make this issue a political
football. Another hail Mary falls incomplete.
Randy Bauer
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"George John" <george@neosoft.com> wrote in message
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> chess...@aol.com wrote:
quote:
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> This suggests the need for a code of conduct for Board of Delegates
> committee members along with a group or groups to administer that code,
> for example the Ethics Committee and Executive Board.
And how will the appeal process work? What's to stop a corrupt board from
playing politics with this? A better motion would be one that restricts
folks with conflicts of interest from holding positions of influence.
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> George, It WAS handled privately but that didn;t work. Beatriz called
> him and following that Stan called me and unconditionally apologized.
> Unfortunately the apology was just words. Nothing changed except Stan
> now has the support of the Board majority to stay on as co-chair
> finance, The Board cannot remove him as chair of the audit committee as
> that is a delegate appointed committee. What people don't realize is
> how bad this comes across for the USCF. A key leader insulting fellow
> leaders creates an impossible working environment.
I did not apoligize. I did nothing wrong. I called you because I was asked
to calm you down.
Your blind loyalty to Bill even after one mismanagement gaff after another
is disgraceful.
quote:
> Why would I lie?
Force of habit?
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"Spam Scone" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sam Sloan wrote:
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> Randy, George, Stan, have you gotten so lazy that you can't even hit
> Sam's slow=pitch softball?
No one cares what Sam has to say. Except when issues arise and Sam, Larry,
and Don bond then it is easier to decide which side of the issue is best.
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| Dostoyevsky 2005-03-28, 5:56 pm |
| "Tom Klem" <thewiz Your "yes or no" demand sounds like Perry Mason
quote:
> on 'Roids.>>
A fan of the Wizard of Oz talking about seroids? Sounds like your
Bodybuilder boyfriends have been sliding it up your XXX too often. You need
to tone down your meat injections.
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| George John 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
| chessdon@aol.com wrote:
[SNIP]
quote:
> I'm interested to see how you spin this away but your pretty good at
> this so we shall see.
"Freud defined projection as a defense mechanism by which we protect
ourselves from awareness of some undesirable trait of ours, by
attributing them to others (Atkinston et al., 1996)."
[--http://www.imt.co.il/freudjung.htm]
[SNIP]
Sincerely,
George John
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
| <Stan speaks for Stan, and he has the "give em hell, Harry" approach of
Harry Truman. It's a free country.> -- Randy Bauer on hatchet man Stan
Booz
We still have not seen the detailed cost estimates of the move to
Cross-to-Bear. The suppression of figures suggests a bumpy ride ahead.
Randy Bauer began by defending Stan Booz to this extent: he compares
the latter's excremental effusions with the energetic expressions of
Harry Truman.
What a low excuse to make, even by what appear to be Mr. Bauer's
standards. Truman was a man of considerable virtue who rose above his
tawdry political beginnings and who was rarely, in truth, profane.
Don Schultz exhumed some Board motions that Mr. Bauer supported,
essentially telling Mr. Booz to keep his trap shut or get off the
Finance Committee.
EB 05-33 (Hanke): The EB will send a letter to the CO-chair of the
Finance Committee Stan Booz asking him to cease and desist from
personal attacks on the Internet. PASSED 5 -2. In favor: Bauer, Brady,
Schultz; Opposed: Shaughnessy; Abstaining: Marinello, Shutt and Hanke.
What changed in the interval? Politics changed.
It is now inconvenient for Mr. Bauer or, methinks, George John (though
I will put the question to him later) to hold Mr. Booz accountable for
his intellectual hygiene.
Don Schultz has adduced yet another example of Mr. Bauer saying one
thing now and then doing another thing.
After Mr. Bauer provided us with his personal estimate of Cross-to-Bear
moving costs at $150,000 to $200,000, he defended leaving off legal
expenses, using as his excuse that legal expenses would have been
higher had the Federation stayed in New Windsor. Yet in a message here
in October, he told us the move to Cross-to-Bear was not being made
under legal threat and that everything was so hunky dory that Board
members had not even discussed a major Tennesee legal letter for
"weeks."
Mr. Bauer lied. That's all. He lied. He could not keep his stories
straight over several months. So he lied
Mr. Schultz has adduced another example of the same thing.
One point is now clear: Mr. Bauer's words mean nothing. He willchange
his tune according to political exigencies. There is still some hope
that his personal deeds in office will rise above his personal
character.
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
| BAUER'S DEFENSE OF BOOZ
I see. So, Sam Sloan thinks that it is perfectly OK for Sam Sloan to
call Board Member Beatriz Marinello a notorious lesbian, former USCF
President Leroy Dubeck whacko and to suggest that Board Members
Marinello and Hanke are not to be trusted with the USCF's finances. In
his latest motion, Sloan also refers to the Board members supporting
the Crossville move as "most of the group pushing through this illegal
scheme to loot the few remaining assets of the United States Chess
Federation are a motly crew of nerdo well unemployeds or minimally
employeds." -- Randy Bauer
I am being ignored by Randy Bauer, though he responds to Sam
Sloan.
Sam: I will take some credit that when these chaps are no
longer willing to notice me, they still notice you. That's because,
with all due respect to your many fine postings, I hurt them more.
Needless to add, we still have not seen the detailed cost
estimates of the move to Cross-to-Bear.
Mr. Bauer told us a week ago that he did not include legal costs in
his personal estimate of the cost because legal fees would have been
higher if the Federation had remained in New Windsor. Yet last October
he wrote that there were no legal problems associated with the move
and that, indeed, members of the Board had not even bothered to discuss
for "weeks" a threatening letter from a Tennessee legal attack dog.
Mr. Bauer lied. That's what he did: he lied. He could not keep
his stories straight over a period of months.
Now, Mr. Bauer rightly takes Sam to task for several comments he
made. His idea is to excuse his political confrere, Stan Booz, by
going after Sam.
I note that I attacked several of Sam's statements, including his
bringing up Mrs. Marinello's alleged lesbianism, his description of
Leroy Dubeck as a wacko and, of course, his mistaken idea that Beatriz
or Tim would ever run off with the Federation's cash box, which I
didn't and don't believe for a nanosecond. I had no problem berating
Sam when I thought him wrong.
I note, however, that Mr. Bauer instead defends the scatological
Mr. Booz within his own camp. My explanation for Mr. Bauer's behavior
is that he is acting dishonestly. Perhaps George John can offer us a
kinder, gentler explanation for the false ploy of his running mate.
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| George John 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
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Sam Sloan wrote:
[SNIP]
quote:
> Then kindly explain why you feel that the USCF Board should not at a
> minimum write a letter to Stan Booz admonishing him not to do this
any
quote:
> more.
I have addressed this in a different message, so I will be brief.
I think writing a private letter or making a phone call might have been
more appropriate. What I think is inappropriate is resorting to this
public motion that singles out a committee chair by name in such a
negative light. IMO, this matter should have been handled privately.
quote:
> I feel and many others feel that Stan Booz should have immediately
> been removed from his positions. Kindly explain why you feel
> otherwise.
I have previously stated in the FIDE-Chess Yahoo group that I would not
tolerate uncivil behavior from an EB advisory committee chair. If
after having been asked to refrain from such behavior, should any
individual continue to act in an unacceptable manner, I would find a
replacement. But, the key point remains, I would handle this
privately. Only the vote naming the new chair (or chairs) would be
public.
Sincerely,
George John
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| George John 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
| parrthenon@cs.com wrote:
Larry,
[SNIP]
quote:
> It is now inconvenient for Mr. Bauer or, methinks, George John
(though
quote:
> I will put the question to him later) to hold Mr. Booz accountable
for
quote:
> his intellectual hygiene.
I believe that *everyone* in a USCF leadership role should be held
accountable for his or her actions. I expect *everyone* in a USCF
leadership role to conduct themselves in a civil manner at all times
especially Executive Board members. IMHO, WRT civility, the history of
our USCF leadership is well below satisfactory. I would like that to
change.
Should I be elected to the board, I will do my very best to understand
and follow the "Standards of Conduct for the USCF Executive Board", and
hold my fellow board members accountable for doing the same.
WRT any alleged inappropriate behavior of EB committee chairs, that
issue, like other confidential areas such as personnel decisions, legal
matters, and choosing committee members, should be discussed in
private, and dealt with in private. I am honestly stunned that an EB
member would offer a motion like this that concerned one of his
committee chairs. IMO, the appropriate action would be for the
committee's EB liaison to call the committee chair up on the phone or
send him an e-mail message. If future behavior remained
unsatisfactory, I would discuss this in closed session, and if deemed
appropriate, make a motion naming who the chair(s) of the committee
will be, and vote on that, and that alone.
While I will not attempt to make excuses for the behavior of any
individual, to single out an individual in this manner is like blaming
a drop of water for making the ocean wet. That's how poor my opinion
is of far too much of the culture and history of USCF politics.
I value the reputation of the USCF. I think its reputation is a key
part of its success or failure. I call on all current and future board
members and those who represent the USCF to do their very best in
maintaining their civility to others, even in the face of uncivil
behavior. Yes, it's fine to defend oneself, offer constructive
criticism, and hold others accountable. Let's just do it in as civil a
manner as is possible please.
[SNIP]
Best regards,
George John
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| curtains 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
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"Steve Shutt has no job other than teaching chess to children. "
This statement is incorrect. Steve Shutt is actually the Mentally
Gifted teacher at Masterman and has been for a long time. He only
teaches chess as an after school program.
Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:22:49 GMT, "Randy Bauer"
> <randybauer2300@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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Booz to[vbcol=seagreen]
to call[vbcol=seagreen]
President[vbcol=seagreen]
Hanke[vbcol=seagreen]
motion, Sloan[vbcol=seagreen]
most of[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
> There are many differences.
>
> 1. I am not a USCF official. Stan Booz is co-chairman of the USCF
> Audit Committee.
>
> 2. I have never used profanity. Stan Booz called Board member Frank
> Brady "a big prick" on this group. Stan Booz called Al Lawrence an
> "XXXXXXX" on this group. Stan Booz constantly uses the f-word, the
> a-word and other profanity on this group. As a USCF official,this
> speaks badly of the organization and of chess worldwide.
>
> 3. My statements are all true and nobody even disputes them. Everyone
> who knows Leroy Dubeck knows that he is nutty when it comes to Bill
> Goichberg. This has been the case for the past 30 years. I am
> convinced that the only reason Dubeck supports the move to Crossville
> is that this will put the USCF headquarters far away from Goichberg.
> Regarding the "motly crew of nerdo well unemployeds or minimally
> employeds", look at the list.
>
> Tim Hanke is unemployed and has been fired from many jobs.
>
> Beatriz Marinello has no job except for being Chief Operating Officer
> in clear volation of USCF by-laws.
>
> Steve Shutt has no job other than teaching chess to children.
>
> Elizabeth Shaughnessy has no job other than teaching chess to
> children.
>
> Thus, Randy Bauer is now the only member of the board who has a
> regular paying job. Frank Brady has an important and demanding job,
> but now he is no longer on the board.
>
> Sam Sloan
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| George John 2005-03-28, 5:57 pm |
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Sam Sloan wrote:
All,
[SNIP]
quote:
> I see. So, George John thinks that it is perfectly OK for Stan Booz
to
quote:
> call board member Frank Brady "a big prick" on this newsgroup.
As is typically the case, Sam Sloan has reached an incorrect conclusion
about what I think. I do not think it would be okay for a committee
chair to refer to an board member in this manner.
Best regards,
George John
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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-03-28, 9:52 pm |
| George, It WAS handled privately but that didn;t work. Beatriz called
him and following that Stan called me and unconditionally apologized.
Unfortunately the apology was just words. Nothing changed except Stan
now has the support of the Board majority to stay on as co-chair
finance, The Board cannot remove him as chair of the audit committee as
that is a delegate appointed committee. What people don't realize is
how bad this comes across for the USCF. A key leader insulting fellow
leaders creates an impossible working environment.
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| Tom Klem 2005-03-28, 9:53 pm |
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"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:
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> "Randy Bauer" <randybauer2300@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MuN%d.93406$Ze3.7214@attbi_s51...
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could[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> As have I been. One wonders what great gifts Sam has given back to the
> community.
>
>
Doznens of illegitimate children to become wards of the state at tax payer
expense?
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| Louis Blair 2005-03-29, 3:56 am |
| Don Schultz wrote:
quote:
> What people don't realize is how bad
> this comes across for the USCF. A key
> leader insulting fellow leaders creates
> an impossible working environment.
"I have appointed Stan Booz as
Chair of both the Finance Committee
and the Audit Committee." - Timothy
Hanke (Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:30:09 GMT)
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| Louis Blair 2005-03-31, 7:02 am |
| Don Schultz wrote:
quote:
> What people don't realize is how bad
> this comes across for the USCF. A key
> leader insulting fellow leaders creates
> an impossible working environment.
"I have appointed Stan Booz as
Chair of both the Finance Committee
and the Audit Committee." - Timothy
Hanke (Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:30:09 GMT)
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