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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-03-22, 5:51 pm |
| Campaign Issue Name: Stan Booz
Sam Sloan said:
"I feel and many others feel that Stan Booz should have immediately
been removed from his positions. Kindly explain why you feel
otherwise."
George John said:
"As is typically the case, Sam Sloan has reached an incorrect
conclusion
about what I think. I do not think it would be okay for a committee
chair to refer to a board member in this manner"
Here are the relevant motions as to what to do about Stan:
EB 05-33 (Hanke): The EB will send a letter to the CO-chair of the
Finance Committee Stan Booz asking him to cease and desist from
personal attacks on the Internet. PASSED 3-1-3. In favor: Bauer, Brady,
Schultz; Opposed: Shaughnessy; Abstaining: Marinello, Shutt and Hanke.
EB 05-33 (Reconsidered) - The EB will send a letter to the CO-chair of
the
Finance Committee Stan Booz asking him to cease and desist from
personal attacks on the Internet. FAILED 3-3-1. In Favor: Schultz.
Brady and Bauer; Opposed: Marinello, Shaughnessy and Hanke; Abstaining:
Shutt.
George John: George says a private phone call to Stan admonishing him
would be a better course of action than firing Stan or passing the
motion above. George, you are right that is an appropriate first step.
In fact however, that took place months ago. The result was a phone
call from Stan to me where he gave an unconditional apology and a
promise to mend his ways.
Since your recommended action of a phone call failed, what action or
non-action do you George, intend to take, if elected to the EB, on the
Stan Booz Issue.
Don Schultz
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-22, 5:51 pm |
| In article <1111496349.327411.276340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
chessdon@aol.com says...
quote:
>
>Campaign Issue Name: Stan Booz
>
>Sam Sloan said:
>"I feel and many others feel that Stan Booz should have immediately
>been removed from his positions. Kindly explain why you feel
>otherwise."
>
>George John said:
> "As is typically the case, Sam Sloan has reached an incorrect
>conclusion
>about what I think. I do not think it would be okay for a committee
>chair to refer to a board member in this manner"
>
>Here are the relevant motions as to what to do about Stan:
>
>EB 05-33 (Hanke): The EB will send a letter to the CO-chair of the
>Finance Committee Stan Booz asking him to cease and desist from
>personal attacks on the Internet. PASSED 3-1-3. In favor: Bauer, Brady,
>
>Schultz; Opposed: Shaughnessy; Abstaining: Marinello, Shutt and Hanke.
>
>EB 05-33 (Reconsidered) - The EB will send a letter to the CO-chair of
>the
>Finance Committee Stan Booz asking him to cease and desist from
>personal attacks on the Internet. FAILED 3-3-1. In Favor: Schultz.
>Brady and Bauer; Opposed: Marinello, Shaughnessy and Hanke; Abstaining:
>Shutt.
>
>George John: George says a private phone call to Stan admonishing him
>would be a better course of action than firing Stan or passing the
>motion above. George, you are right that is an appropriate first step.
>In fact however, that took place months ago. The result was a phone
>call from Stan to me where he gave an unconditional apology and a
>promise to mend his ways.
>
>Since your recommended action of a phone call failed, what action or
>non-action do you George, intend to take, if elected to the EB, on the
>Stan Booz Issue.
>
>Don Schultz
>
I guess in my priorities for the USCF, this barely deserved the attention it
required in a past Board meeting. It sure doesn't rise to the level of
important election issue.
The things I think are important for the USCF are finishing the relocation,
hiring a competent executive director and giving him the tools he and the staff
need to improve customer service, building the membership and enhancing
strategic partnerships with other organizations and corporations. And, of
course, developing and living within a credible budget and maintaining USCFs
financial position.
Take your pick, folks, which set of issues do you think are more important?
Randy Bauer
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111496349.327411.276340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Since your recommended action of a phone call failed, what action or
> non-action do you George, intend to take, if elected to the EB, on the
> Stan Booz Issue.
That issue is a strawman issue. A better issue would be why doesn't Bill
Goichberg accept responsibility for another looming Truong & Co. lawsuit.
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| Sam Sloan 2005-03-23, 3:52 am |
| On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:30:47 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:
quote:
>
><chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1111496349.327411.276340@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>That issue is a strawman issue. A better issue would be why doesn't Bill
>Goichberg accept responsibility for another looming Truong & Co. lawsuit.
I amnot aware of Truong actually threatening to sue and I do not
believe that he can.
Samsloan
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4240d842.38611578@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:
>
> I amnot aware of Truong actually threatening to sue and I do not
> believe that he can.
Thanks for sharing.
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| Mike Nolan 2005-03-23, 3:52 am |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
quote:
>I amnot aware of Truong actually threatening to sue and I do not
>believe that he can.
That's never stopped you.
--
Mike Nolan
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| George John 2005-03-23, 3:52 am |
| chess...@aol.com wrote:
Don,
[SNIP]
quote:
> George John: George says a private phone call to Stan admonishing him
> would be a better course of action than firing Stan or passing the
> motion above.
This isn't exactly what I said, but I'm too happy with the Rockets win
over Miami to quarrel with this right now. ;-)
quote:
> George, you are right that is an appropriate first step.
> In fact however, that took place months ago. The result was a phone
> call from Stan to me where he gave an unconditional apology and a
> promise to mend his ways.
Good to hear.
quote:
> Since your recommended action of a phone call failed, what action or
> non-action do you George, intend to take, if elected to the EB, on
the
quote:
> Stan Booz Issue.
I will paraphrase what I have said previously.
1) The USCF Executive Board would most likely benefit from a written
code of conduct for its executive board advisory committee members.
(Note: the EB would also benefit from doing a better job of following
its own code of conduct).
2) Any discussion of EB advisory committee members should be done in
closed session only.
3) The only action that I think is appropriate in open session is to
vote on committee member assignments.
We need written guidelines that can be fairly applied to all. If you
are having problems with EB advisory committee members, deal with it in
closed session please.
Best regards,
George John
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| Chess One 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
| Is Polgar Foundation owed money? That's one relevant question. How USCF
treats creditors is another. Phil Innes
"Mike Nolan" <nolan@gw.tssi.com> wrote in message
news:d1qmbg$6ca$1@gw.tssi.com...
quote:
> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
>
> That's never stopped you.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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| Sam Sloan 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
| On 22 Mar 2005 22:00:03 -0800, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
wrote:
quote:
>chess...@aol.com wrote:
>
>Don,
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
>This isn't exactly what I said, but I'm too happy with the Rockets win
>over Miami to quarrel with this right now. ;-)
>
>
>Good to hear.
>
>the
>
>I will paraphrase what I have said previously.
>
>1) The USCF Executive Board would most likely benefit from a written
>code of conduct for its executive board advisory committee members.
>(Note: the EB would also benefit from doing a better job of following
>its own code of conduct).
>
>2) Any discussion of EB advisory committee members should be done in
>closed session only.
>
>3) The only action that I think is appropriate in open session is to
>vote on committee member assignments.
>
>We need written guidelines that can be fairly applied to all. If you
>are having problems with EB advisory committee members, deal with it in
>closed session please.
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
Note that George John never takes a stand on any issue. He just speaks
in generalities and makes statements everybody would agree with. He
will say anything to get elected, which means that he will never say
anything which will alienate any group.
George John desperately wants to be USCF President and will say
anything to achieve that goal. What we would really like to know is
what he will do if he achieves this. What are his actual plans?
Sam Sloan
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| George John 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
| Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:
> On 22 Mar 2005 22:00:03 -0800, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
> wrote:
All,
[SNIP]
quote:
> George John desperately wants to be USCF President and will say
> anything to achieve that goal.
This is an incorrect statement. I believe the USCF President should be
someone who has had a least one year of current experience on the
Executive Board.
Before I became the Texas Chess Association's President in 2003, I had
years of experience on the TCA's Board as a Regional Director,
Secretary, and Treasurer. That experience has significantly helped me
in more effectively carrying out my duties as the TCA's President.
quote:
> What we would really like to know is
> what he will do if he achieves this. What are his actual plans?
The USCF has many areas where it needs to improve, but one that stands
out in my estimation is in the area of marketing. Successful
companies have a good understanding of what the potential is for their
products and services. IIRC, Phil recently mentioned that Russia sees
the US as a sleeping chess giant. That might be right, but before we
spend a significant amount of money on a marketing campaign to generate
more interest in chess, we need to understand if that assessment is
correct.
The USCF has a high membership turnover rate. We need to understand
better why we lose members to see if there are any reasonable steps
that can be taken to improve membership retention. We need to better
understand what our current members like and dislike, so we can give
them the best mix of product and services.
To help accomplish the above we will need to do some scientific
surveying. Other companies and organizations do so. We should very
seriously consider doing the same. To not do so is to pilot a ship
without a rudder, or fly an airplane in a fog without instruments. We
may also benefit from using a professional marketing company or
consultant; although, we may be able to tap very valuable help from
within our volunteer ranks, too.
Best regards,
George John
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| Chess One 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
|
quote:
>
> The USCF has many areas where it needs to improve, but one that stands
> out in my estimation is in the area of marketing. Successful
> companies have a good understanding of what the potential is for their
> products and services. IIRC, Phil recently mentioned that Russia sees
> the US as a sleeping chess giant. That might be right, but before we
> spend a significant amount of money on a marketing campaign to generate
> more interest in chess, we need to understand if that assessment is
> correct.
Thanks for the notice George, but in this case I think its not necessary to
spend any USCF money to generate anything. There has to be a real interest
in developing the chess scene - that is the 'eye of the needle' - and as you
might have read elsewhere, any desire has been absent for some time.
Recent experience with USCF's engagement in anything international has had
three significant results which currently hinder engaging it:-
a) the first is that it seems to be the case that USCF has creditors to
which it has not made payment as contracted - these are long overdue. Can
you check on this? I don't wish to explore this subject in public, but
private means are as stonewalled as public ones, and there are "varieties of
truth-telling" on the subject. Absolutely no one who is a bit networked on
the chess scene will contract uscf again in any significant way until both
this issue, and the reason that it arose, are resolved.
b) international initiatives are no longer directed to uscf but to private
persons and organisations - to some degree this is a performance issue, [eg.
as above], but otherwise has to do with a timeliness of responses.
c) I believe it is true to say that the usa is largely neglected in
international affairs since USCF makes no attempt to appear interested in
that or in the subject of chess development generally.
I make these comments not so much as to say that it //should// do any of
these things, but that the subject of chess development is a necessary one
to engage, if not by uscf then by others.
Cordially, Phil Innes
quote:
> The USCF has a high membership turnover rate. We need to understand
> better why we lose members to see if there are any reasonable steps
> that can be taken to improve membership retention. We need to better
> understand what our current members like and dislike, so we can give
> them the best mix of product and services.
>
> To help accomplish the above we will need to do some scientific
> surveying. Other companies and organizations do so. We should very
> seriously consider doing the same. To not do so is to pilot a ship
> without a rudder, or fly an airplane in a fog without instruments. We
> may also benefit from using a professional marketing company or
> consultant; although, we may be able to tap very valuable help from
> within our volunteer ranks, too.
>
> Best regards,
>
> George John
>
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| George John 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
| Chess One wrote:
Phil,
[SNIP]
quote:
> Thanks for the notice George, but in this case I think its not
necessary to
quote:
> spend any USCF money to generate anything. There has to be a real
interest
quote:
> in developing the chess scene - that is the 'eye of the needle' - and
as you
quote:
> might have read elsewhere, any desire has been absent for some time.
Once the marketplace has been understood sufficiently, the next step is
to see if any adjustments are needed to the mission so it can better
fit the market needs and wants, taking into account what the USCF
already does well, or could forseeably do well.
quote:
> Recent experience with USCF's engagement in anything international
has had
quote:
> three significant results which currently hinder engaging it:-
>
> a) the first is that it seems to be the case that USCF has creditors
to
quote:
> which it has not made payment as contracted - these are long overdue.
Can
quote:
> you check on this?
Please send me the details by private e-mail.
[SNIP]
quote:
>
> b) international initiatives are no longer directed to uscf but to
private
quote:
> persons and organisations - to some degree this is a performance
issue, [eg.
quote:
> as above], but otherwise has to do with a timeliness of responses.
For far too long the USCF has been in a fight for its survival coupled
with a compelling need to renew its office. Unfortunately, the
Executive Board, whose primary task should be formulating policy, out
of necessity has been preoccupied with office issues which normally the
Executive Director and professional staff would handle on their own.
As best as I can tell, the USCF is truly turning itself around. The
financials look so much better than they once did with no money owed to
the banks, a low AP position, adequate cash reserves, and current net
income approximately $400K greater than what was budgeted.
The next step is hiring the new Executive Director, getting him or her
up to speed, and finishing the transition from New Windsor to
Crossville. Once that is done the Board can more fully focus on their
primary task with is to set policy, and international affairs should
very much be part of the mix.
Best regards,
George John
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| Chess One 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
|
"George John" <george@neosoft.com> wrote in message
news:1111600916.819071.325980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Chess One wrote:
quote:
> private
> issue, [eg.
>
> For far too long the USCF has been in a fight for its survival coupled
> with a compelling need to renew its office. Unfortunately, the
> Executive Board, whose primary task should be formulating policy, out
> of necessity has been preoccupied with office issues which normally the
> Executive Director and professional staff would handle on their own.
Yes, when everyone is working in the business, who is working on the
business?
<snip>
Phil
quote:
> Best regards,
>
> George John
>
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| Sam Sloan 2005-03-23, 5:54 pm |
| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:54:00 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
wrote:
quote:
>a) the first is that it seems to be the case that USCF has creditors to
>which it has not made payment as contracted - these are long overdue. Can
>you check on this? I don't wish to explore this subject in public, but
>private means are as stonewalled as public ones, and there are "varieties of
>truth-telling" on the subject. Absolutely no one who is a bit networked on
>the chess scene will contract uscf again in any significant way until both
>this issue, and the reason that it arose, are resolved.
quote:
>Cordially, Phil Innes
Not true. Prior to leaving office, Bill Goichberg paid off ALL the
debts owed by the USCF.
Of course, one reason why he did this was to keep Beatriz Marinello
from getting her hot hands on the money that was actually owed to
creditors.
Sam Sloan
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| Sam Sloan 2005-03-26, 9:53 pm |
| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:54:00 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
wrote:
quote:
>a) the first is that it seems to be the case that USCF has creditors to
>which it has not made payment as contracted - these are long overdue. Can
>you check on this? I don't wish to explore this subject in public, but
>private means are as stonewalled as public ones, and there are "varieties of
>truth-telling" on the subject. Absolutely no one who is a bit networked on
>the chess scene will contract uscf again in any significant way until both
>this issue, and the reason that it arose, are resolved.
quote:
>Cordially, Phil Innes
Not true. Prior to leaving office, Bill Goichberg paid off ALL the
debts owed by the USCF.
Of course, one reason why he did this was to keep Beatriz Marinello
from getting her hot hands on the money that was actually owed to
creditors.
Sam Sloan
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