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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-02-23, 5:56 pm |
| I have just updated my websight. It stills need some work but that will
be ongoing including the section on USCF Elections. Go there now for my
endorsements, the reasons why and a little more - www.chessdon.com
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I have just updated my websight. It stills need some work but that will
> be ongoing including the section on USCF Elections. Go there now for my
> endorsements, the reasons why and a little more - www.chessdon.com
I didn't see the part about how Bill screwed up the ICC deal. Or how you're
working still to ruin the move to Tennessee.
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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-02-23, 9:49 pm |
| Stan, we are there, going or not going is old news - get current.
ICC deal? What ICC deal?
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| Doom & Gloom Dave 2005-02-23, 9:49 pm |
| chessdon@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> I have just updated my websight. It stills need some work but that
> will be ongoing including the section on USCF Elections. Go there now
> for my endorsements, the reasons why and a little more -
> www.chessdon.com
Looks like Sam Sloan's "good guys" slate.
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| R.P. Warren 2005-02-23, 9:49 pm |
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chessdon@aol.com wrote:
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> I have just updated my websight. It stills need some work
Trues. Start by spelling it correctly: website or web-site.
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan, we are there, going or not going is old news - get current.
Great. What (who) is holding up the architect's contract.
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> ICC deal? What ICC deal?
Exactly. Bill was collecting ICC membership money and not submitting it.
They canceled the deal.
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"R.P. Warren" <HueyDuck@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> chessdon@aol.com wrote:
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> Trues. Start by spelling it correctly: website or web-site.
It is a site for soar eyes.
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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-02-24, 3:50 am |
| Stan asks:"Who is holding up architect's contract?"
Yes, I had several concerns with the contract and just yesterday I
received word that one of my last two concerns was satisfied.
Specifically, the contract absolved the architect from any liability
due to negligence on his part. I simply had a question as to whether
our insurance would cover us in this event. Grant Perks checked with
our Insurance company and has confirmed that we are covered.
My last concern is that I will not vote for approval of the contract
without a legal written sign-off.
Of course my vote is not necessary unless others agree with me.
But again, we are there. The move to Crossville is not dependent on an
architects contract legal review which is business as usual, IMO.
Don Schultz
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> But again, we are there. The move to Crossville is not dependent on an
> architects contract legal review which is business as usual, IMO.
Isn't Harry Sabine a practicing attorney? I'll bet he'll look at it pro
bono. Of course if he has to put pencil to paper then a charge would be
appropriate. That's how I run my practice.
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| chessdon@aol.com 2005-02-24, 3:50 am |
| Sure you'll bet? You obviously know that this was the answer to my
insistence on having a legal review of the architect's contract (yes,
you are kept up to date). And yes, Harry will-do/has-done a pro bono
review and sign off that has not been put it in writing.
I believe verbal legal approvals of contracts of this nature will lead
to abuses and is not the way the US Chess Federation should do
business. So without a written legal sign-off, I won't vote to approve
the contract.
Don
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I believe verbal legal approvals of contracts of this nature will lead
> to abuses and is not the way the US Chess Federation should do
> business. So without a written legal sign-off, I won't vote to approve
> the contract.
I don't believe I've ever seen a written legal opinion of a contract. I
guess they exist. When I was on a school board our solicitor would review
contracts and suggest changes. But a written opinion, nope.
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| Randy Bauer 2005-02-24, 3:50 am |
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<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan asks:"Who is holding up architect's contract?"
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> Yes, I had several concerns with the contract and just yesterday I
> received word that one of my last two concerns was satisfied.
> Specifically, the contract absolved the architect from any liability
> due to negligence on his part. I simply had a question as to whether
> our insurance would cover us in this event. Grant Perks checked with
> our Insurance company and has confirmed that we are covered.
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> My last concern is that I will not vote for approval of the contract
> without a legal written sign-off.
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> Of course my vote is not necessary unless others agree with me.
>
> But again, we are there. The move to Crossville is not dependent on an
> architects contract legal review which is business as usual, IMO.
Please post some examples of architects contract legal reviews, which are,
in your opinion, business as usual. What exactly are we to engage our
lawyers (they don't work for free, by the way) to review?
This is all too typical. Beatriz as President, and the current Board
majority, have been working to control costs associated with a move that
will save the USCF a great deal of money in years to come. Don Schultz
bleats and moans about the costs of the move, yet, at the same time, he
pushes for larger payments to our former ED, and lawyers fees for sign-off
on boiler plate professional contracts.
No wonder the USCF lost hundreds of thousands of dollars when he was
President.
Randy Bauer
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> Don Schultz
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-02-24, 3:50 am |
| PRO BONO?
Yes, I had several concerns with the contract and just yesterday I
received word that one of my last two concerns was satisfied.
Specifically, the contract absolved the architect from any liability
due to negligence on his part. I simply had a question as to whether
our insurance would cover us in this event. Grant Perks checked with
our Insurance company and has confirmed that we are covered. My last
concern is that I will not vote for approval of the contract without a
legal written sign-off.> -- Don Schultz
<Don Schultz bleats and moans about the costs of the move, yet, at the
same time, he pushes for larger payments to our former ED, and lawyers
fees for sign-off on boiler plate professional contracts.> -- Randy
Bauer
The official line here, as enunciated by Stan Booz and Randy Bauer,
appears to be: there need be no written legal opinion of the contract
to hire Crossville architect Elmore because Harry Sabine, possibly a
friend of Elmore's (the Board will not answer this question), has
approved the contract verbally and pro bono. Hence why spend the money
for a legal opinion?
Pro bono?
Better to say pro brass bone.
We know that architect Elmore was to receive $60,000 to draft
plans for a building slated to cost $300,000 to $350,000 which is way
out of line. This writer made public the outrage (I'm a dirt farmer,
after all) and there has since been a renegotiation of the contract,
though the contents will not be released to the members. As Randy
Bauer puts it, ALL OF YOU can't see it because this writer is a dirt
farmer.
Mind you: the Board majority was going to tell ALL OF YOU about
the contract, but over these many months they were too busy to do so or
forgot to do so or could not hold a vote to do so.
Which opened the irrigation gate for yours truly, the dirt farmer.
Did Count Commissioner Harry Sabine introduce Phil Elmore to
Federation officials? Did he know about the overpayment? Is he a
friend of Mr. Elmore's who also resides in Crossville? Did he keep his
trap shut about the overcharge to aid a friend and stab the Federation?
If Mr. Sabine is a friend of Mr. Elmore's, is he violating legal
ethics by offering a legal opinion about the contract?
Draw your own conclusions.
-- Larry Parr
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| sandirhodes 2005-02-24, 5:52 pm |
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"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message news:naCdndad-d-zuoDfRVn-3A@comcast.com...
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> "R.P. Warren" <HueyDuck@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:1109206447.951170.153840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> It is a site for soar eyes.
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Stan, it's been awhile, but you finally came up with a really goody!
Bruceski!
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<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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> The official line here, as enunciated by Stan Booz and Randy Bauer,
> appears to be: there need be no written legal opinion of the contract
> to hire Crossville architect Elmore because Harry Sabine, possibly a
> friend of Elmore's (the Board will not answer this question), has
> approved the contract verbally and pro bono.
More of your intellectual dishonesty? No one said he has looked at it as
yet.
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| Bruce Leverett 2005-02-24, 5:52 pm |
| Of course, I first clicked my way down to your endorsements for the
election. But of course, there's other interesting stuff on your
website. Thanks for posting the picture of "Arnold's last game."
While I was reading your endorsements, the first thing I thought of,
was, "he's not endorsing any of the incumbents." I think that when the
ballot includes several incumbents, people will naturally think of
voting for them unless there is some good reason not to. So I would
suggest that your endorsements will be more interesting, if you clarify
them by adding a sentence or two about how you feel about the incumbent
board.
(Not to be disingenuous -- I am giving strong consideration to voting
for the incumbents. Whatever you write about this, I may well disagree
with it. However, I am sincere in wanting to see what you are willing
to say about the incumbent board on your website.)
Another question I thought of was, "Are they running as a slate?" Of
course, in a situation where there are 9 candidates running for 4
seats, I might like to vote for a "slate", to maximize the
effectiveness of my choices. So you might want to say a few words
about this on your web page.
Now as it happens, I know that 4 of the other candidates are running as
a "slate" (Bauer, Shaughnessy, Shutt, John), and one of the candidates
is Sam Sloan. So even if your 4 candidates were not a "slate", people
might be tempted to vote for them as if they were. Still, you might
want to consider adding a sentence or two about "slate" voting to your
web page.
Thanks,
Bruce Leverett
chessdon@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> I have just updated my websight. It stills need some work but that
will
quote:
> be ongoing including the section on USCF Elections. Go there now for
my
quote:
> endorsements, the reasons why and a little more - www.chessdon.com
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-02-24, 5:52 pm |
| <Now as it happens, I know that 4 of the other candidates are running
as a "slate" (Bauer, Shaughnessy, Shutt, John), and one of the
candidates is Sam Sloan. So even if your 4 candidates were not a
"slate", people might be tempted to vote for them as if they were.
Still, you might want to consider adding a sentence or two about
"slate" voting to your web page.> -- Bruce Leverett
I'll gladly add a sentence that was left out.
If you want more secrecy and stonewalling, vote for the incumbents.
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| Randy Bauer 2005-02-24, 5:52 pm |
| In article <1109265677.515673.141170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
parrthenon@cs.com says...
quote:
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><Now as it happens, I know that 4 of the other candidates are running
>as a "slate" (Bauer, Shaughnessy, Shutt, John), and one of the
>candidates is Sam Sloan. So even if your 4 candidates were not a
>"slate", people might be tempted to vote for them as if they were.
>Still, you might want to consider adding a sentence or two about
>"slate" voting to your web page.> -- Bruce Leverett
>
>I'll gladly add a sentence that was left out.
>
>If you want more secrecy and stonewalling, vote for the incumbents.
I'll gladly add a sentence that was left off that Parrgument:
If you want a return to the disastrous level of financial losses characterized
by the Schultz Presidency of 1996-98, vote for the Schultz team.
Randy Bauer
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| Randy Bauer 2005-02-24, 5:52 pm |
| In article <1109264855.391785.215730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Bruce
Leverett says...
quote:
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>Of course, I first clicked my way down to your endorsements for the
>election. But of course, there's other interesting stuff on your
>website. Thanks for posting the picture of "Arnold's last game."
>
>While I was reading your endorsements, the first thing I thought of,
>was, "he's not endorsing any of the incumbents." I think that when the
>ballot includes several incumbents, people will naturally think of
>voting for them unless there is some good reason not to. So I would
>suggest that your endorsements will be more interesting, if you clarify
>them by adding a sentence or two about how you feel about the incumbent
>board.
I think Don and I are on reasonable terms (which isn't to say we don't have our
disagreements), and we've been on the same side of at least a couple of issues
where I have broken ranks with the other Executive Board incumbants I'm
supporting. That said, it is my belief that Don is frustrated by the fact that,
when push comes to shove, Beatriz or Tim can generally muster up the support of
a Board majority and he can not. Don wants to be able to control things, and if
the incumbants are re-elected he most likely cannot.
We've seen too many EDs, CEOs, COOs, CFOs, and Board members come and go of
late. Personally, I think continuity is a good thing at the moment. The
currenet Board has done some things right -- the organization's finances are in
much better shape than a year or two ago, the move to Crossville is well
underway and hasn't caused the collapse of the organization's finances or
service delivery system, and we're moving forward on the hiring of a permanent
Executive Director and the re-shaping of the office staff.
I believe the current Executive Board, with the addition of an IT expert in
George John, can complete these transitional tasks and then focus on better
customer service, better use of technology, and a fresher, more dynamic and
appealing Chess Life magazine and website.
Randy Bauer
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<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> <Now as it happens, I know that 4 of the other candidates are running
> as a "slate" (Bauer, Shaughnessy, Shutt, John), and one of the
> candidates is Sam Sloan. So even if your 4 candidates were not a
> "slate", people might be tempted to vote for them as if they were.
> Still, you might want to consider adding a sentence or two about
> "slate" voting to your web page.> -- Bruce Leverett
>
> I'll gladly add a sentence that was left out.
>
> If you want more secrecy and stonewalling, vote for the incumbents.
??? They've been releasing data to me to publish here. Whereas the other
ticket's organizer is hell bent to censor me.
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| I don't think that Randy intended this as a campaign statement,
exactly, but the last paragraph demonstrates exactly why the USCF needs
him on the EB.
It takes a lot of practice and more than a little bit of intelligence
to think strategically. In his last paragraph, Randy identifies, at a
high level, exactly what the USCF needs to do, now, to fulfill its
mission:
-complete these transitional tasks
-focus on better customer service
-better use of technology
-fresher, more dynamic and appealing Chess Life magazine and website.
Certainly there are all kinds of political and operational issues that
will need to be resolved in order to accomplish these goals, but it's
important to have board members who can keep in mind **why** those
issues need to be resolved.
I was glad when Randy originally agreed to run for EB and I'm glad he's
running for re-election. My only regret is that he's been drawn into
(and occasionally responded in kind) rgcp vitriol. This is a pretty
nasty environment in which to discuss issues.
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-02-26, 3:49 am |
| AN AVERAGE CHESS POLITICIAN
<I was glad when Randy originally agreed to run for EB and I'm glad
he's running for re-election. My only regret is that he's been drawn
into (and occasionally responded in kind) rgcp vitriol. This is a
pretty nasty environment in which to discuss issues.> --"TR"
Re: Randy Bauer. I found his goals to be traditional boilerplate
rather than deep strategic thinking.
As for the vitriol, he has engaged in a lot of name-calling
and refused to condemn those in his corner who have wished painful
lingering deaths on this writer and Sam Sloan.
I think Mr. Bauer is neither more nor less than your average
chess politician.
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| Randy Bauer 2005-02-26, 3:49 am |
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<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> AN AVERAGE CHESS POLITICIAN
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> <I was glad when Randy originally agreed to run for EB and I'm glad
> he's running for re-election. My only regret is that he's been drawn
> into (and occasionally responded in kind) rgcp vitriol. This is a
> pretty nasty environment in which to discuss issues.> --"TR"
>
> Re: Randy Bauer. I found his goals to be traditional boilerplate
> rather than deep strategic thinking.
It's not boilerplate, I really do believe that our organization has a lot of
work to do on the services front. One of the areas where Larry and I
disagree is his belief that government is entirely coercive and cannot adopt
a service oriented approach because it can simply order its citizens to pay
up in taxes. I believe this is an overly simplistic view that misses the
fact that citizens, through recall, initiative, referendum, and just the
normal electoral process, can often impose a different tax and expenditure
will upon the government.
In the case of the State of Iowa, we have reduced taxes as a share of
personal income for 10 consecutive years. That doesn't exactly fit the
model where Larry suggests the only way that a government imposes its will
is by taking larger shares of people's incomes. In fact, in the last 5
years, Iowa is one of only 5 states that has not enacted a major tax
increase and is one of only 2 states last year to enact a major tax
reduction.
The fact is, Iowa has been a national leader in reinvention. We have
reorganized departments, done three rounds of early retirements to move out
higher priced employees, offered departments greater flexibility in return
for lower appropriations (which is a national finalist for an Ashe
Foundation Award for innovation through Harvard's Kennedy School of
Government), used private sector Kaizen approaches to reduce costs and
increase efficiency, been the first state to use the Malcom Baldridge
National Quality program and apply it to government to re-shape
organizational planning, and recreate a budget process focused on purchasing
results. I believe in these methods, and they are not 'traditional
boilerplate." We need to do the same with the USCF.
quote:
>
> As for the vitriol, he has engaged in a lot of name-calling
> and refused to condemn those in his corner who have wished painful
> lingering deaths on this writer and Sam Sloan.
Oh, please. Larry, I don't wish painful lingering deaths on you, Sam Sloan,
the chair of the Republican Party, or George Steinbrenner. Satisfied?
quote:
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Randy Bauer
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| Jürgen R. 2005-02-26, 6:50 am |
| chessdon@aol.com wrote:
quote:
>I have just updated my websight.
What's a websight?
quote:
> It stills need some work but that will
>be ongoing including the section on USCF Elections. Go there now for my
>endorsements, the reasons why and a little more - www.chessdon.com
>
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| David Ames 2005-02-26, 5:48 pm |
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J=FCrgen R. wrote:
quote:
> chessdon@aol.com wrote:
>
>=20
> What's a websight?
>=20
Website, or Web site.
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| Doom & Gloom Dave 2005-02-27, 9:49 pm |
| Randy Bauer wrote:
quote:
> In article <1109265677.515673.141170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> parrthenon@cs.com says...
>
> I'll gladly add a sentence that was left off that Parrgument:
>
> If you want a return to the disastrous level of financial losses
> characterized by the Schultz Presidency of 1996-98, vote for the
> Schultz team.
>
Here's my little paranoid fantasy...
The Sam Sloan "good guys" slate, the same slate recommended on Chessdon's
website get elected. The first step they take is to reverse the move the
old guard has fought tooth and nail against . Crossville is out, and NY is
back. This of course costs money. So does the lawsuit filed by Crossville.
Step 2, the USCF declares bankruptcy rather than fighting the lawsuit which
is a hopeless case.
My, my. It appears we shall need a new national chess federation. Who
should comprise such a thing? Why, the organizer of the largest swiss
tourneys in the US, a long time chess politico, an up and coming organizer
of weekly high level events and a billionaire with a hospital that needs to
be filled. After all, they saved the USCF from the ruinous Crossville move
even though the cure killed the patient, which was the whole idea in the
first place. This time of course it will be run properly as a corporation.
No letting the proletariat elect the board, after all they voted in the
folks who were responsible for the Crossville move that destroyed the
federation. No Sirree, just sound businessmen at this chess board from now
on!
Just my paranoid fantasy of the day, I do not claim that is the goal of
anybody running for office, it would be ludicrous for any slate to plan
this, but it'd make a damn good political potboiler!
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"Doom & Gloom Dave" <dwhent@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LXrUd.128994$JF2.93464@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
quote:
> The Sam Sloan "good guys" slate, the same slate recommended on
> Chessdon's
> website get elected. The first step they take is to reverse the move the
> old guard has fought tooth and nail against .
Hopefully, the first thing they do is bail Sam out of that homeless shelter
he is living in. Then again...
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| parrthenon@cs.com 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| USCF MEMBERS ALSO WANT ANSWERS!
In a message dated 3/1/2005 3:26:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
corplawyer@earthlink.net writes:
To: Chesspride@aol.com, fide-chess@yahoogroups.com
chesspride@aol.com wrote on 2/26/05 11:32 pm:
<My comment is that LARRY PARR -- a NON-MEMBER...has no right to
receive it. He has no right to repeatedly flood this forum with
requests for it.> -- Eric Johnson
-------
*I* want to know the answers to his questions, and I am a USCF member.
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| George John 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| Randy Bauer wrote:
[SNIP]
quote:
> through recall
When OMOV was originally passed, it did not include a recall provision.
I have not found a provision for recall in the minutes of any
subsequent USCF Board of Delegates meeting (2002, 2003, & 2004). Have
I overlooked something? If not, are there any plans to introduce a
recall motion at the 2005 Board of Delegates meeting?
Best regards,
George John
[SNIP]
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1109696813.392146.41290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, George John
says...
quote:
>
>Randy Bauer wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>
>When OMOV was originally passed, it did not include a recall provision.
> I have not found a provision for recall in the minutes of any
>subsequent USCF Board of Delegates meeting (2002, 2003, & 2004). Have
>I overlooked something? If not, are there any plans to introduce a
>recall motion at the 2005 Board of Delegates meeting?
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
>
>[SNIP]
>
My discussion about recall related to governments in general, not to the USCF.
I pointed out that citizens have several ways to impact budget and tax decisions
by their government, and recall, referendum, initiative, tax and expenditure
limits, etc. are some of those.
Randy Bauer
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| George John 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| Randy,
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. My question about recall was
directed to the entire group and not you specifically. Your use of the
word "recall" triggered my memory that this is an important topic
that I have wanted to discuss on rgcp.
IMO, the USCF does need a Bylaws recall provision. I do understand
that deciding how to implement a recall provision in the Bylaws is not
easy. Cost and labor considerations are very important, and therefore
it is especially important to discourage frivolous, or inappropriate
politically or personally motivated attempts at recall.
OTOH, having to wait for as long as four years to replace an EB member,
should one prove to be sufficiently incompetent or worse, is not very
appealing to me. Comments are welcomed, especially from anyone on the
USCF Bylaws Committee.
Best regards,
George John
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1109704191.694912.314080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, George John
says...
quote:
>
>Randy,
>
>I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. My question about recall was
>directed to the entire group and not you specifically. Your use of the
>word "recall" triggered my memory that this is an important topic
>that I have wanted to discuss on rgcp.
>
>IMO, the USCF does need a Bylaws recall provision. I do understand
>that deciding how to implement a recall provision in the Bylaws is not
>easy. Cost and labor considerations are very important, and therefore
>it is especially important to discourage frivolous, or inappropriate
>politically or personally motivated attempts at recall.
I don't disagree with anything George has written so far, but the devil is
always in the details. If somebody has engaged in criminal acts, official
malfeasance, or, perhaps, more or less abandoned their office, I could see some
use for recall. However, if it is simply a way to reopen an alection campaign
or a particular issue that a cadre of voters find objectionable, I would not
favor it. We need EB members who will take a stand every now and then, if it is
in the best interests of the organization, even if it is not the most popular
position. Leadership isn't just a popularity contest, and recalls can be used
in this fashion.
quote:
>
>OTOH, having to wait for as long as four years to replace an EB member,
>should one prove to be sufficiently incompetent or worse, is not very
>appealing to me. Comments are welcomed, especially from anyone on the
>USCF Bylaws Committee.
My guess is that most of the time, recall efforts will be costly, and I'm not
only talking about the monetary costs. In general, I think there are better
usea of our time and resources.
Randy Bauer
quote:
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
>
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| George John 2005-03-01, 5:53 pm |
| Randy,
Yes, the devil is very much in the details. Yes, it could be costly.
Yes, there are MUCH better uses of our time and resources.
And, yes, we do need a recall provision. Therefore, the threshold
should be set very high to initiate the recall. I could provide my own
ideas, but I am more interested in learning what, if anything, the USCF
Bylaws Committee has discussed, and/or what other organizations with a
governance structure similar to the USCF's (assuming there are any)
have done WRT recall.
Best regards,
George John
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| Doom & Gloom Dave 2005-03-03, 3:51 am |
| Randy Bauer wrote:
quote:
> In article <1109265677.515673.141170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> parrthenon@cs.com says...
>
> I'll gladly add a sentence that was left off that Parrgument:
>
> If you want a return to the disastrous level of financial losses
> characterized by the Schultz Presidency of 1996-98, vote for the
> Schultz team.
>
Here's my little paranoid fantasy...
The Sam Sloan "good guys" slate, the same slate recommended on Chessdon's
website get elected. The first step they take is to reverse the move the
old guard has fought tooth and nail against . Crossville is out, and NY is
back. This of course costs money. So does the lawsuit filed by Crossville.
Step 2, the USCF declares bankruptcy rather than fighting the lawsuit which
is a hopeless case.
My, my. It appears we shall need a new national chess federation. Who
should comprise such a thing? Why, the organizer of the largest swiss
tourneys in the US, a long time chess politico, an up and coming organizer
of weekly high level events and a billionaire with a hospital that needs to
be filled. After all, they saved the USCF from the ruinous Crossville move
even though the cure killed the patient, which was the whole idea in the
first place. This time of course it will be run properly as a corporation.
No letting the proletariat elect the board, after all they voted in the
folks who were responsible for the Crossville move that destroyed the
federation. No Sirree, just sound businessmen at this chess board from now
on!
Just my paranoid fantasy of the day, I do not claim that is the goal of
anybody running for office, it would be ludicrous for any slate to plan
this, but it'd make a damn good political potboiler!
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| Randy Bauer 2005-03-03, 9:51 pm |
| In article <1109704191.694912.314080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, George John
says...
quote:
>
>Randy,
>
>I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. My question about recall was
>directed to the entire group and not you specifically. Your use of the
>word "recall" triggered my memory that this is an important topic
>that I have wanted to discuss on rgcp.
>
>IMO, the USCF does need a Bylaws recall provision. I do understand
>that deciding how to implement a recall provision in the Bylaws is not
>easy. Cost and labor considerations are very important, and therefore
>it is especially important to discourage frivolous, or inappropriate
>politically or personally motivated attempts at recall.
I don't disagree with anything George has written so far, but the devil is
always in the details. If somebody has engaged in criminal acts, official
malfeasance, or, perhaps, more or less abandoned their office, I could see some
use for recall. However, if it is simply a way to reopen an alection campaign
or a particular issue that a cadre of voters find objectionable, I would not
favor it. We need EB members who will take a stand every now and then, if it is
in the best interests of the organization, even if it is not the most popular
position. Leadership isn't just a popularity contest, and recalls can be used
in this fashion.
quote:
>
>OTOH, having to wait for as long as four years to replace an EB member,
>should one prove to be sufficiently incompetent or worse, is not very
>appealing to me. Comments are welcomed, especially from anyone on the
>USCF Bylaws Committee.
My guess is that most of the time, recall efforts will be costly, and I'm not
only talking about the monetary costs. In general, I think there are better
usea of our time and resources.
Randy Bauer
quote:
>
>Best regards,
>
>George John
>
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| George John 2005-03-05, 5:51 pm |
| Randy Bauer wrote:
[SNIP]
quote:
> through recall
When OMOV was originally passed, it did not include a recall provision.
I have not found a provision for recall in the minutes of any
subsequent USCF Board of Delegates meeting (2002, 2003, & 2004). Have
I overlooked something? If not, are there any plans to introduce a
recall motion at the 2005 Board of Delegates meeting?
Best regards,
George John
[SNIP]
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| <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan you truly seem to be making
> false charges without any sense of responsibility. Show us it ain't so!
<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan, we are there, going or not going is old news - get current.
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> ICC deal? What ICC deal?
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| <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan you truly seem to be making
> false charges without any sense of responsibility. Show us it ain't so!
<chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan, we are there, going or not going is old news - get current.
>
> ICC deal? What ICC deal?
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| <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Stan you truly seem to be making
> false charges without any sense of responsibility. Show us it ain't so!
"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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> <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Great. What (who) is holding up the architect's contract.
>
>
> Exactly. Bill was collecting ICC membership money and not submitting it.
> They canceled the deal.
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