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SUSAN POLGAR -- a wonderful grandmaster and person
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| Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
| I just can't stand the horrible threads
about one of so few true chess heros.
And the idiots who badmouth GM. S.P.
are beneath contempt.
All chess enthusiast know about the
sport achievements and so needed
chess activities of GM Susan Polgar.
Her place in chess history is well
established. I don't even need to
repeat these well known and easily
available facts in any detail.
Best to you, Grandmaster, I admire you,
Wlod
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| Chess One 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
| Wlod, a long time since we wrote anything directly together!
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)" <sennajawa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I just can't stand the horrible threads
> about one of so few true chess heros.
> And the idiots who badmouth GM. S.P.
> are beneath contempt.
But we are all human, and these are only words on a screen, and only among a
very few people who bother to read them here, and 'the idiots' are only
feeling themselves to be outside a sphere of something they would rather
[secretly] be on the inside of - don't you think?
But I do understand your comment 'horrible'. These 'conversations' are
so.... not conversations?
Where is the heart in any of it?
Do people really care about the subject, or just /use/ a name to climb on,
and 'jam' their opinions?
quote:
> All chess enthusiast know about the
> sport achievements and so needed
> chess activities of GM Susan Polgar.
> Her place in chess history is well
> established. I don't even need to
> repeat these well known and easily
> available facts in any detail.
Yes - she completely broke the mold of male-chess events long before her
sister Judit gained her own status in otherwise male-only events. She even
got Fide to change the name of the title which was previously 'a man's world
championship'. Where is this acknowleged?
quote:
> Best to you, Grandmaster, I admire you,
Yes, she deserves applause. In private communications she is a person of her
tiimes, and dealing with complex and difficult issues personal and
professional, and has a certain charming quality, albeit a naive one for her
age, [I am 20 years older than her]; there is a certain fire in her which a
man could like, if he liked women at all.
Cordially, Phil Innes
quote:
> Wlod
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| Ray Gordon 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
| >> Best to you, Grandmaster, I admire you,
quote:
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> Yes, she deserves applause. In private communications she is a person of
> her tiimes, and dealing with complex and difficult issues personal and
> professional, and has a certain charming quality, albeit a naive one for
> her age, [I am 20 years older than her]; there is a certain fire in her
> which a man could like, if he liked women at all.
And was physically BLIND, perhaps.
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| Chess One 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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> And was physically BLIND, perhaps.
Ray, your comments are noted - you make so many of them!
It is indeed some matter of choice for men to like some women, or any women
at all.
I am not any enthusiast for individuals per se, or for fan-clubs and such
stuff which glamorise people - you understand that word? which makes a
disproportionate view of people beyond what is right or fitting. But, like
some other men, I like women, I like very many of them, and [lol] despite
whether they like me. It is my 'condition' 
I could understand if this is not to your own taste, specifically about an
individual or in general, any you can certainly vote your own ticket, but
you cannot vote mine!
Have you understood this while writing here? Your own opinion is all very
well, but you cannot really superimpose it on what other people may like or
dislike - and attain any respect for your personal views, if you do not care
to note that others have different views - and your views, however honest
for yourself - will never negate other's views.
--------
On another topic you mention the practice of psychology, and it's
requirement for a license. In America clinicians are called psychiatrists,
rather than psychologists, and you would be right that few clinicians would
offer their views here! But psychology is a broader field than this, and
does not require a license 'to practice' as does 'psychiatry', which is a
personal and very private discussion between two persons.
Psychology is a branch of philosophy which examines our motivating forces.
It is no shame to be subject to such an evaluation, or even to initiate one!
It is in fact a brave attempt by the subject engaging these issues to
contact and uncover their own source and true strength, even if some
discomfort is experienced at it's threshold.
I would note that this has nothing much to do with other people, though may
be stimulated by contact with them, as if they were catalysts - but the main
subject is a liberation of a contact with one's self. If there is sufficient
intent there is no need for any other person at all, one's own wisdom
suffices. Even magnificently
Very few people are so brave to venture here. As a man writing to another
man, and as is my own cultural heritage, I view all men who would do so with
honour at the attempt, and the back of my hand to the momentary result,
which is [lol] often not salutary. But I do say that this attempt redounds
on us, and all men, consciously or otherwise, will acknowledge it.
Cordially, Phil Innes
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| ChessLiveAdmins 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
| In short, are you saying that Ray Gordon is a nut?
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| Chess One 2005-02-22, 9:49 pm |
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"ChessLiveAdmins" <chesslivestaff@rescueteam.com> wrote in message
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> In short, are you saying that Ray Gordon is a nut?
Is this addressed to me? If so, not at all. Or perhaps as nuts as we all
are. It is sometimes called 'the human condition', phil
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| BarbaraVilliers 2005-02-23, 5:56 pm |
| Phil
Re psychology, the precepts can be sound. But such practices as sewing
up the eyes of new kittens are used. I don't think this is an effective
or decent way to research a subject. Why psychology needs to resort to
this torture is beyond my comprehension.
I'm all for finding out what makes people tick but some of these
practices are extremely dubious.
The problem with psychiatry and psycho analysis is that the patient has
to fit the theory of the Clinician then gets a label such as BPD or
other. Again we can only go on the judgement of that clinician. A
doctor once told me that Psychiatry (and Psychology to a degree) are
arts rather then just science.
I'm sure if we are brave and honest the majority of us could figure out
the motives behind our behaviour without giving a Clinician a fortune.
BarbaraVilliers
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| arodobop 2005-02-23, 5:56 pm |
| I'm sure if we are brave and honest the majority of us could figure
out
the motives behind our behaviour without giving a Clinician a fortune.
BarbaraVilliers
Reply fear or love
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| Randy Bauer 2005-02-23, 5:56 pm |
| In article <DNPSd.68094$g16.28937@trndny08>, Chess One says...[vbcol=seagreen]
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>Wlod, a long time since we wrote anything directly together!
>
>"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod)" <sennajawa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1109112480.978823.190890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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>But we are all human, and these are only words on a screen, and only among a
>very few people who bother to read them here, and 'the idiots' are only
>feeling themselves to be outside a sphere of something they would rather
>[secretly] be on the inside of - don't you think?
>
>But I do understand your comment 'horrible'. These 'conversations' are
>so.... not conversations?
>
>Where is the heart in any of it?
>
>Do people really care about the subject, or just /use/ a name to climb on,
>and 'jam' their opinions?
>
>
>Yes - she completely broke the mold of male-chess events long before her
>sister Judit gained her own status in otherwise male-only events. She even
>got Fide to change the name of the title which was previously 'a man's world
>championship'. Where is this acknowleged?
>
>
>Yes, she deserves applause. In private communications she is a person of her
>tiimes, and dealing with complex and difficult issues personal and
>professional, and has a certain charming quality, albeit a naive one for her
>age, [I am 20 years older than her]; there is a certain fire in her which a
>man could like, if he liked women at all.
>
>Cordially, Phil Innes
>
I should write this date down, because, probably for the first time, I find
myself in total agreement with Wlod AND Phil. Maybe I'm running a fever or
something.
I've had the opportunity to chat with Susan about chess on a couple of
occasions. She has a driving interest in building the game's stature and
visibility for all players. I admire her initiative and effort in organizing
the Polgar tournament for girls, something of a counterpart to the Denker
tournament. It brought a lot of useful focus on scholastic chess during last
year's U.S. Open. Likewise, her performance at the Olympiad is something all
U.S. players should applaud.
Beyond those achievements, she was an instrumental part of the match in
Lindsborg Kansas between she and former world champion Karpov (along with, in my
opinion, organizer of the decade Mikhail Korenman). That match received
extensive national coverage and also helped publicize chess in this country.
She continues to devote her time and energy to these sorts of projects, and I
for one wish to applaud them and thank her for them.
In fact, I did just that last weekend at the US Amateur East tournament. Susan
was one of several grandmasters competing -- not for big prizes but for the fun
of it. The chance to see that kind of chess dedication and spirit by our top
players draws many players back to that event year after year.
Good job, Susan. You've earned our thanks and praise.
Randy Bauer
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