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| Chess One 2005-02-20, 5:47 pm |
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"BarbaraVilliers" <louise@cernunos.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Phil
no I did not realise that Boedica was a title.
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There are two novels now by Manda Scott set between AD 32 and about 65 -
very well researched indeed. I would recommend them. Since you are likely to
read them, I won't reveal plot - except to say that you could read about
Mona, the Island [Anglesea], and the impositions imposed by the Roman
occupation in Britain.
These books are something of an antidote to Robert Grave's whitewash of
Claudius, who hung and crucified the indiginous populations of Celtic tribes
in England, entire villages of men women and children, and appointed more
brutal persecutors there than did any other Emperor, anywhere.
I will also leave you to discover the meaning of Boedica, an honour name of
the Eceni - but the historic figure usually referred to by that title was
named "Breaca". Names were for women, matrilinear, and "Breaca" is a first
name.
Both novels begin "Dreaming the..." a reference to teachings at Mona, which
at the time was a high center of learning pan-Britain, and beyond.
The novels are informed by researches by Dr. Gilly Carr, Dr. Jon Coe, Philip
Crummy, Dr. J. D. Hill, Professor Lawrence Keppie and Owen Thompson. Perhaps
the second book is the better - [I read them in reverse order].
What is interesting about these novels is the revelation of the equality of
men and women among the Eceni Celts. I think that like hobbits, we Celts
have fond and very long memories 
Phil
Talking of interesting
women players I suddenly remembered about the court of Catherine De
Medici. Queen Catherine had her l'escadron Volante , these
madamoiselles were employed to seduce any man who might have been
useful to the Queen Mother. During the conflict with the hugenots
Catherine desired that their ablest leader the Prince of Conde should
be distracted. She recruited the finest chessplayer at court who was a
woman. The lady seduced the prince over numerous games of chess and
distracted him from the civil war going on. Conde was vanquished
although Henri Of Navarre remained to eventually win the crown of
France. Amazing the results of a few games of chess played by the
opposite sexes lol
"Yes. That indeed is the question someone such as yourself would ask
"
Indeed I am devilishy curious about everything and often ask
uncomfortable questions.
"Yes. A personal value judgement on the worth of things. Did you never
read
A. S. Byatt's quartet? "
No I haven't read these. I just realised from an early age that
everything has a price.
"He is practically a saint! Sometimes a saint necessitating armour! "
That husband of mine is a darling who sometimes needs his armour lol
"We men are good at wasps. We are very afraid of them too, but more
afraid at
seeming afraid, so, like the bloody fools we are... "
That is so true of men. You are all so scared of appearing less then
macho.Sometimes though this is a useful trait. Years ago we had a fire
in the house. I would have slept through it but fortunately Gary woke
me and carried me through the fire. After this he felt heavily
traumatised and needed to see the Doctor. It was a natural reaction but
it took me a few days to get him to seek help. Fortunately he made a
swift recovery from the trauma.
Toughness in businness is invaluable to ensue you do not lose your
nerve. Many years ago I bid £5,000 on a lot. Husband was kicking me
but I just ignored him and didn't stop until I had bought the lot.
Chess and businness do not flourish with distractions in my opinion.
BarbaraVilliers
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| BarbaraVilliers 2005-02-21, 6:48 am |
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Chess One wrote:
quote:
> "BarbaraVilliers" <louise@cernunos.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1108905772.856264.186280@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Phil
> no I did not realise that Boedica was a title.
>
> ------
> There are two novels now by Manda Scott set between AD 32 and about
65 -
quote:
> very well researched indeed. I would recommend them. Since you are
likely to
quote:
> read them, I won't reveal plot - except to say that you could read
about
quote:
> Mona, the Island [Anglesea], and the impositions imposed by the Roman
quote:
> occupation in Britain.
>
> These books are something of an antidote to Robert Grave's whitewash
of
quote:
> Claudius, who hung and crucified the indiginous populations of Celtic
tribes
quote:
> in England, entire villages of men women and children, and appointed
more
quote:
> brutal persecutors there than did any other Emperor, anywhere.
>
> I will also leave you to discover the meaning of Boedica, an honour
name of
quote:
> the Eceni - but the historic figure usually referred to by that title
was
quote:
> named "Breaca". Names were for women, matrilinear, and "Breaca" is a
first
quote:
> name.
>
> Both novels begin "Dreaming the..." a reference to teachings at Mona,
which
quote:
> at the time was a high center of learning pan-Britain, and beyond.
>
> The novels are informed by researches by Dr. Gilly Carr, Dr. Jon Coe,
Philip
quote:
> Crummy, Dr. J. D. Hill, Professor Lawrence Keppie and Owen Thompson.
Perhaps
quote:
> the second book is the better - [I read them in reverse order].
>
> What is interesting about these novels is the revelation of the
equality of
quote:
> men and women among the Eceni Celts. I think that like hobbits, we
Celts
quote:
> have fond and very long memories
>
> Phil
I shall certainly hunt out these books.Yes there was a whitwash of the
behaviour of the Emperor Claudius towards the Eceni Celts. Celts indeed
believed in equality. I understand that the Romans destroyed oak trees
and rare mistletoes that were rumoured to help fight cancer. But the
Celtic culture continues and wherever a person is born they wither have
Celtic roots or they don't. I was born in Essex but with a very strong
Celtic ancestry including Picts. As you say Celts have very long
memories.
BarbaraVilliers
quote:
>
>
> Talking of interesting
> women players I suddenly remembered about the court of Catherine De
> Medici. Queen Catherine had her l'escadron Volante , these
> madamoiselles were employed to seduce any man who might have been
> useful to the Queen Mother. During the conflict with the hugenots
> Catherine desired that their ablest leader the Prince of Conde should
> be distracted. She recruited the finest chessplayer at court who was
a
quote:
> woman. The lady seduced the prince over numerous games of chess and
> distracted him from the civil war going on. Conde was vanquished
> although Henri Of Navarre remained to eventually win the crown of
> France. Amazing the results of a few games of chess played by the
> opposite sexes lol
> "Yes. That indeed is the question someone such as yourself would ask
> "
> Indeed I am devilishy curious about everything and often ask
> uncomfortable questions.
> "Yes. A personal value judgement on the worth of things. Did you
never
quote:
> read
> A. S. Byatt's quartet? "
> No I haven't read these. I just realised from an early age that
> everything has a price.
> "He is practically a saint! Sometimes a saint necessitating armour! "
> That husband of mine is a darling who sometimes needs his armour lol
> "We men are good at wasps. We are very afraid of them too, but more
> afraid at
> seeming afraid, so, like the bloody fools we are... "
> That is so true of men. You are all so scared of appearing less then
> macho.Sometimes though this is a useful trait. Years ago we had a
fire
quote:
> in the house. I would have slept through it but fortunately Gary woke
> me and carried me through the fire. After this he felt heavily
> traumatised and needed to see the Doctor. It was a natural reaction
but
quote:
> it took me a few days to get him to seek help. Fortunately he made a
> swift recovery from the trauma.
> Toughness in businness is invaluable to ensue you do not lose your
> nerve. Many years ago I bid =A35,000 on a lot. Husband was kicking me
> but I just ignored him and didn't stop until I had bought the lot.
> Chess and businness do not flourish with distractions in my opinion.
> BarbaraVilliers
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