quote:

---

>I used to be a Senior Admin BarbaraVilliers On Chess-Live. I am the
> person Truong called a XXXXX here on Google using the pseudo name of
> Rafael Rodriguez. A bunch of mindless bullies are controlling Arclight
> the HA.The despised Paul Troung aka lots of dupes including ManOfStyle
> and his henchman Amsterdoom are helping him.
> This is a nice server with many decent admins and other staff. Lots
> more about Truong and Polgar to come I have many logs (the one where
> Truong discusses a professional female player is an education). I am
> muted and notebanned for daring to stand up to this moronic mindless
> clique who silence anyone for daring to oppose the draconian bans and
> muting of paying members. Most of the admins are petrified of the
> gruesome twosome. However I am not and am happy to spread the new about
> Paul Truong, Susan Polgar and Amsterdoom their sidekick

quote:

---

> "BarbaraVilliers" <louise@cernunos.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1108113724.307082.59870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Truong & Polgar make a lasting impression wherever they go.
>
> Tim Hanke

quote:

---

> "BarbaraVilliers" <louise@cernunos.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1108113724.307082.59870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Truong & Polgar make a lasting impression wherever they go.
>
> Tim Hanke
>

quote:

---

> You know, Tim, I hadn't bothered responding to the BarbaraVilliers message
> because I assumed that people would naturally dismiss an angry rant from a
> disgruntled former staff member for what it is. However, you have never
> been a friend of Chess Live and obviously couldn't resist a change to take
> another poke in our direction.

quote:

---

> To set the record straight, Truong & Polgar have done more for our
> competitors, playchess.com, ICC, and WCN, than they have ever done for us.
> Frankly I wish they would get more involved because I've seen them both do
> a great deal for chess. Remember all the naysayers when Paul Truong was
> trying to organize the U.S. Women's Olympiad Team? Well look at the
> results!

quote:

---

> And GM Susan Polgar? She would be well admired by chess players
> everywhere--and especially women--if all she ever did was play chess, but
> she has also worked very hard lately to promote the development of our
> next generation of chess players. As the most family-friendy of the
> Internet chess servers (thanks in no small part to the demands of our
> original partners at the USCF), Chess Live would strongly welcome Susan
> Polgar's increased participation. She's done just a single lecture for us
> in the last six months, but that lecture attracted the largest crowd we
> experienced during that entire period.

quote:

---

> Make rude comments if you want, but I hope the readers here will take your
> comments for what they're worth.

quote:

---

> Joel
>
> "Tim Hanke" <timothyhanke@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:zbidnbmpQsofbJHfRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>
>

quote:

---

> "Joel" <zork@chess-live.com> wrote ...
>
> If all you care about are results, narrowly defined, I wish you well. They
> say Hitler had great results at reviving the German economy, too, but that
> doesn't make him a good person.

quote:

---

>
> I imagine Bobby Fischer would attract an even bigger crowd, but that
> doesn't mean Fischer is an admirable person.

quote:

---

[vbcol=seagreen]
> I, too, hope the readers here will take my comments for what they are
> worth.

quote:

---

> Tim Hanke
>
>
>

quote:

---

> If all you care about are results, narrowly defined, I wish you well. They
> say Hitler had great results at reviving the German economy, too, but that
> doesn't make him a good person.

quote:

---

> You know, Tim, I hadn't bothered responding to the BarbaraVilliers

quote:

---

> because I assumed that people would naturally dismiss an angry rant

quote:

---

> disgruntled former staff member for what it is. However, you have

quote:

---

> been a friend of Chess Live and obviously couldn't resist a change to

quote:

---

> another poke in our direction.
>
> To set the record straight, Truong & Polgar have done more for our
> competitors, playchess.com, ICC, and WCN, than they have ever done

quote:

---

> Frankly I wish they would get more involved because I've seen them

quote:

---

> great deal for chess. Remember all the naysayers when Paul Truong

quote:

---

> trying to organize the U.S. Women's Olympiad Team? Well look at the
> results!
>
> And GM Susan Polgar? She would be well admired by chess players
> everywhere--and especially women--if all she ever did was play chess,

quote:

---

> she has also worked very hard lately to promote the development of

quote:

---

> generation of chess players. As the most family-friendy of the

quote:

---

> chess servers (thanks in no small part to the demands of our original

quote:

---

> partners at the USCF), Chess Live would strongly welcome Susan

quote:

---

> increased participation. She's done just a single lecture for us in

quote:

---

> last six months, but that lecture attracted the largest crowd we

quote:

---

> during that entire period.
>
> Make rude comments if you want, but I hope the readers here will take

quote:

---

> comments for what they're worth.
>
> Joel
> "And GM Susan Polgar? She would be well admired by chess players
> everywhere--and especially women--"

quote:

---

> You know, Tim, I hadn't bothered responding to the BarbaraVilliers

quote:

---

> because I assumed that people would naturally dismiss an angry rant

quote:

---

> disgruntled former staff member for what it is. However, you have

quote:

---

> been a friend of Chess Live and obviously couldn't resist a change to

quote:

---

> another poke in our direction.
>
> To set the record straight, Truong & Polgar have done more for our
> competitors, playchess.com, ICC, and WCN, than they have ever done

quote:

---

> Frankly I wish they would get more involved because I've seen them

quote:

---

> great deal for chess. Remember all the naysayers when Paul Truong

quote:

---

> trying to organize the U.S. Women's Olympiad Team? Well look at the
> results!
>
> And GM Susan Polgar? She would be well admired by chess players
> everywhere--and especially women--if all she ever did was play chess,

quote:

---

> she has also worked very hard lately to promote the development of

quote:

---

> generation of chess players. As the most family-friendy of the

quote:

---

> chess servers (thanks in no small part to the demands of our original

quote:

---

> partners at the USCF), Chess Live would strongly welcome Susan

quote:

---

> increased participation. She's done just a single lecture for us in

quote:

---

> last six months, but that lecture attracted the largest crowd we

quote:

---

> during that entire period.
>
> Make rude comments if you want, but I hope the readers here will take

quote:

---

[vbcol=seagreen]
> I don't admire Susan Polgar. She is stuffed with pomposity. Does
> nothing but self promote on Chess-Live and I as a woman neither respect
> or admire her. I prefer by far her far more talented Sister Judit who I
> genuinely like. Anyone who has to tyranise the users and hold
> chess-live to ransom with unkept promises does not get my vote of
> confidence.
> BarbaraVilliers
> Louise

quote:

---

> Dear Mr. Berez,
> As the owner of US Chess Live, can you please answer this question?
> Why in the hell would you name Paul Truong, someone who has frequently
> been labeled as an abuser and computer cheater on chess.net,
> chessclub.com and even your own site (US Chess Live) to any position of
> authority?

quote:

---

> "Tim Hanke" <timothyhanke@comcast.net> wrote in
> message news:6sCdnSFtAdsdh5DfRVn-qw@comcast.com...

When he was organising the US women's team at the 2004 Chess Olympiad,
what was Paul Truong *expected* (by Tim Hanke or anyone else) to
accomplish *beyond* such 'results, narrowly defined' (to quote Tim
Hanke) as winning an Olympiad silver medal *for the first time*?

Was Paul Truong supposed to have made chess the most popular game
among boys and girls across the United States?
[vbcol=seagreen]

The people who say that tend *not* to understand the deeper historical
context (which would require too much time to explain here).
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Here it is. The first ever medal for a US woman's team,

quote:

---

> and all Tim Hanke can do is make an immediate comparison with
> Adolf Hitler, based on some comparison of efficiencies to achieve
> a task, and no other comment!!

quote:

---

> That's USCF board level talk. No partners, no sponsors, no
> public plans arrayed before a 'membership organisation', and
> in fact, very few friends of any stripe who could be said to
> be disinterested in their own fortunes.
>
>
> Surely Tim Hanke could spare ONE comment that is not a personal
> comparison with Fischer or Hitler? What about the /behavior/ of
> the person in question, in the realm of developing chess?

quote:

---

> Phil
> you make an interesting point. My admiration for Judit Polgar is
> because she doesn't take prisoners. Judit goes out and doesn't bother
> with womens chess. I think advancement of chess should be for all
> players. Personally I dislike female only chess as I have seen that it
> denigrates women. I think in order to improve the women MUSt compete in
> an open field against men. I have and never will play in womens chess
> events. Susan Polgar objected to my profile due to the views I put
> about womens chess.

quote:

---

> Your point about GM players. I have met the great David Bronstein in
> person.He was kind enough to carefully show me his game and demonstrate
> the finer nuances of his analysis. He treated me as a fellow chess
> player.As does GM James Plaskett. Many GMs are like David and Jim but
> occasionally you meet a Susan Polgar who decides that everyone must
> jump to her orders. GMs are not infallible. They are humans and cannot
> expect respect unless they earn it by sharing their knowledge and being
> courteous and helpful. I have yet to see Susan demonstrate this on
> Chess-Live I'm sorry to say.
> Paul Truong and Susan Polgar have left a trail of broken promises to
> help the Chess-Live server sand I am very sad to se Joel Berez being
> constantly let down by them. This is very bad for the staff when things
> are not followed through. They promised many new members from The
> Polgar Centre but we waited a year for this to materialise. I also
> think that rudeness to the staff on grounds of Susan is a GM is crass
> and uncalled for.
> I am on a League Comittee in the Uk and we are busy trying to promote
> the site but our efforts were thwarted by constant changes in higher
> management and the whims of Paul and Susan.
> Chess-Live has the greates interface, 95% of the people are okay but
> then you get a few bad apples spoiling it for everyone.Iworked as Head
> Of Support and the amount of bans being filtered through was
> horrifying. Users got banned on highly dubious grounds and I was
> worried about the trend. Amsterdoom was the person doing these bans,
> partially when asked to do so y Paul and Susan.
> Sorry for the lengthy post.
> Louise
>

quote:

---

> but that lecture attracted the largest crowd we experienced
> during that entire period.

quote:

---

>
> Interesting. How many watched that lecture? 1,000?

quote:

---

>
> Interesting. How many watched that lecture? 1,000?

quote:

---

> pawnstormCA wrote:
>
> Here's a question:
>
> Do we even know that it was Susan giving the lecture, and not Paul?

quote:

---

> Phil
> you make an interesting point. My admiration for Judit Polgar is
> because she doesn't take prisoners. Judit goes out and doesn't bother
> with womens chess. I think advancement of chess should be for all
> players. Personally I dislike female only chess as I have seen that it
> denigrates women.

quote:

---

> I think in order to improve the women MUSt compete in
> an open field against men. I have and never will play in womens chess
> events. Susan Polgar objected to my profile due to the views I put
> about womens chess.

quote:

---

> Your point about GM players. I have met the great David Bronstein in
> person.He was kind enough to carefully show me his game and demonstrate
> the finer nuances of his analysis. He treated me as a fellow chess
> player.As does GM James Plaskett. Many GMs are like David and Jim but
> occasionally you meet a Susan Polgar who decides that everyone must
> jump to her orders. GMs are not infallible. They are humans and cannot
> expect respect unless they earn it by sharing their knowledge and being
> courteous and helpful.

quote:

---

> I have yet to see Susan demonstrate this on
> Chess-Live I'm sorry to say.
> Paul Truong and Susan Polgar have left a trail of broken promises to
> help the Chess-Live server sand I am very sad to se Joel Berez being
> constantly let down by them. This is very bad for the staff when things
> are not followed through. They promised many new members from The
> Polgar Centre but we waited a year for this to materialise. I also
> think that rudeness to the staff on grounds of Susan is a GM is crass
> and uncalled for.
> I am on a League Comittee in the Uk and we are busy trying to promote
> the site but our efforts were thwarted by constant changes in higher
> management and the whims of Paul and Susan.

quote:

---

> Chess-Live has the greates interface, 95% of the people are okay but
> then you get a few bad apples spoiling it for everyone.Iworked as Head
> Of Support and the amount of bans being filtered through was
> horrifying. Users got banned on highly dubious grounds and I was
> worried about the trend. Amsterdoom was the person doing these bans,
> partially when asked to do so y Paul and Susan.
> Sorry for the lengthy post.
> Louise
>

quote:

---

> Ray,
>
> I was asking how many people were watching it. I have no idea. I've
> since talked to someone that used to be a helper on US Chess Live,

quote:

---

> they said that the server has never had on more than 500 people

quote:

---

> in. He said they peak at under 300 people most days.
>
> So I suspect the number who watched her lecture was between 100 and
> 200, which is less than most average GM games on chessclub.com.
>
> Roger

quote:

---

> "GreenCastle" <greencastle2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<1108275054.038782.27140@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> Here is Susan using the Handle Chesstactics moaning that people were
> not attentive enough to her self promotion (or was it Paul).

quote:

---

> Sure Susan claims to do a lot for chess but how much money is she
> making for it? We all deserve to make a living, please don't mistake
> me. But I hear that this professional player is meticulous in
> extracting every last dollar and then if she speaks we are supposed to
> regard it as an honour.

quote:

---

> I prefer David Bronstein who was so kind as to show me his chess and
> didn't charge me a penny.James Plaskett very kindly did our League a
> simul at a very cheap price.These guys clearly have a different
> attitude towards helping players and promoting chess. Susan is more
> akin to developing a chess Factory churning forth the Polgar name (to
> which Judit is by far the most admired and respected for her position
> as around 10 in the world and not just the confines of womens chess )
> and no doubt costing the people a pretty penny somewhere along the
> line. So please lets not be hypocrital about her generosity lol
> BarbaraVilliers

quote:

---

> ChessTactics(*): When I came on ICC, they had 450 watching Garry's
> game. It went up to 1450 immediately. They asked thousands of
> questions. I came on here and after 45 minutes, no even one member
> noticed.
> ChessTactics(*): I have people asking if I am a fake
> ChessTactics(*): Such a different mentality
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM)(CA): lol it's been so long since we've had a
> non-money-whore GM here (as opposed to Wojo) that the players are
> likely in disbelief lol
> ChessTactics(*): lol
> BarbaraVilliers(*): we had GM on the other day
> BarbaraVilliers(*): Turov I think
> ChessTactics(*): hmm. I don't teach online or make money online. Is
> that a bad thing?
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM)(CA): Alexander Vodkawicz
> ChessTactics(*):
> ChessTactics(*): Good name
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): ;-)
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): I was at the tourney in Oak Brook a week or so
> ago and was looking at the crosstable, and sudenly I smelled 'the by
> products of alcohol' behind me. I figured 'Wojo', I looked back and
> sure enuf, Wojo was looking over my shoulder at the chart
> Aurora(*): :-D
> ChessTactics(*): He is a brilliant player
> ChessTactics(*): but that is just too bad
> ChessTactics(*): Him and Ehlvest
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): yes I found that out OTB a few years ago, lol
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): as for player disbelief... we got fooled by an
> apparent fake IM Mark Orr a few months ago... not sure how many fans
> knew he was fake. But maybe if you add the (GM) tag to the name
> they'll wake up. I think they are pretty sure we wouldn't allow its
> use on a fake
> ChessTactics(*): I think Paul caught him immediately, right?
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): yes Paul sniffed it quite early
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): I was not as sure, since he seemed to be
> talking in chat about things I figured the real Mark Orr would say...
> it was the most elaborate hoax Ive ever seen online
> Aurora(*): The real Mark Orr has had this happen to him before
> Aurora(*): he thinks he knows who is doing it
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): on the other hand... I DID report him to
> aomputerabuse the first time i saw his games, on day one, because the
> move times were suspicious...
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): computerabuse
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): But I figured maybe he was an IM progging,
> because I was sure we wouldn't allow an IM tag without absolute
> confirmation ;-)
> BarbaraVilliers(*): I talked to the real Mark Orr on the phone
> ChessTactics(*): Who gave him the IM tag without checking?
> ChessTactics(*): I thought we have a policy of checking this?
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): djud did, but I bet he has learned his lesson,
> lol
> ChessTactics(*): Do we have a policy now?
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): we have the same policy - to confirm them
> before acting. djud just failed to follow it, he trusted an online
> stranger... that was a mental error
> ChessTactics(*): I see
> ChessTactics(*): OK, thanks
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): it was a fairly elaborate ruse, as far as
> online ruses go. Signs of cheating, and bantering with teens... other
> than that, a pretty good fake
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM): brb

quote:

---

> since talked to someone that used to be a helper on US Chess Live, and
> they said that the server has never had on more than 500 people logged
> in. He said they peak at under 300 people most days.
>
> So I suspect the number who watched her lecture was between 100 and
> 200, which is less than most average GM games on chessclub.com.

quote:

---

> Based on my second log (see post 6) it can be shown that Paul Truong is
> known to log on Susan's handle and use the Polgar name to forward his
> own agenda (in this case, attempting to intimidate me into leaving the
> server).
> I'm not so sure anymore that it was really Susan giving the lecture.

quote:

---

> ChessTactics(*): Such a different mentality
> JohnnyCheckmate(*)(NM)(CA): lol it's been so long since we've had a
> non-money-whore GM here (as opposed to Wojo) that the players are

quote:

---

> women-only competitions?

quote:

---

> Frankly I couldn't have put it better myself.

quote:

---

>I guess I just don't
> appreciate my intellectual merit being questioned with dumb down chess.
> BarbaraVilliers
>

quote:

---

> in women-only competitions?
> Phil

quote:

---

> The problem with women only chess is that those women who refuse to
> compete get pressurised by people (often men for refusing to to opt
> out). I have suffered several experiences of this. I once had a male
> match captain slam the telephone down on me when I courteously refused
> a womens board. My own League tried to force me into playing in the
> 4NCL where they have a womens board. Once again I refused.
> Obviously women who enjoy female only events do not feel denigrated by
> it. But I would never desire a female title as to me that is the
> consolation prize for the girls who cannot compete with the big
> boys.Some women do feel disgusted by the sexist treatment they receive.

quote:

---

> Often being dumped on the lowest board in a match and subjected to
> stupid comments at tourneys such "as are you here to watch"
> One guy resigned a blitz game without making a move. When I questioned
> him he answered he had done this as because I was female I had no
> chance of winning without the concession. Needless to say I slapped the
> clock played the game and wiped him out.
> I really admire Judit Polgar as she has taken a path that has led her
> to the top of chess and its my belief that this is partly to do with
> her indifference to female chess

quote:

---

> In terms of responsibility, the publisher's desk is where the buck stops.

quote:

---

> At the time I wrote my profile Joel Berez had no objections to my
> views. I don't think he ever had a problem with the opposing views
> until Susan Polgar complained that I was unsupportive of her aims. I
> never was attempting to directly attack her and when I joined the
> server she was inactive and I knew little of her except that she was
> sister of Judit.

quote:

---

> Historically there is ample precedent in almost any realm for a
> seperate
> development path -- since male-dominated activiites would otherwise not
> even
> notice a woman participant <right?> and the suffragetes did not gain
> women
> the vote by saying 'pretty-please'.

quote:

---

> Interesting point but why is a separate path needed for women who play
> chess?. Are we feeble delicate creatures unable to compete against the
> rampant masculinity at the chessboard lol.

quote:

---

> Interestingly I met my husband at a chess club and he says I am a
> stronger player then he is.His view is that my chess playing has been
> disrupted by idiotic chess politics and men who dislike women playing
> chess.

quote:

---

> You raise an interesting topic though and I will suggest to my husband
> that he opens a new thread on wonen in chess.
> BarbaraVilliers

quote:

---

>
> Can you say how you personally feel denigrated by other women who play
>
> in "
> women-only competitions
> Yes indeed I do feel denigrated as I think players should play on equal
> terms and I dislike the idea of being viewed as a female chess player
> rather then a chess player. . I dislike segregation. I used to be
> Secretary of a Chess Club and we didn't have women or junior policy.
> Just chess for all. The recipe worked.

quote:

---

> "For myself, I am arranging a few matches with all GMs, 2 men, 1 woman,
> and 1
> junior. Should I exclude the junior player? People think he is very
> interesting and a great prospect - maybe even a future world champion.
> Strictly on ELOs I could invite a stronger player, but not serve the
> same
> consitituency of interest, teenagers.The same is true of the woman
> player - should her ELO not be strong enough
> should I deny that she could play? In which case many women will not
> see,
> nor be encouraged by a female chess player, and they will see 4 guys
> playing
> four other guys.
>
>
> "
> I thought we were playing chess. Not representing certain groups.

quote:

---

> If
> the female player's ELO is not strong enough she should not be
> included.

quote:

---

>What makes you think that a woman needs female company to
> play chess?

quote:

---

> "But it seems to me that in reading of these affairs, you said to
> participant
> of USCL that you did not like women playing in women's chess, and women
>
> should play chess without any props or supports or separateness, and
> you
> insisted on this point of view [which seems to me honorably held by
> yourself], but the publisher did not agree with you that this was the
> only
> view possible, and, the result was that you would not compromise, and
> were
> fired. Is that it? "

quote:

---

> I was not fired because of my profile. I had been fired as a Senior
> Admin at the behest of Truong and Polgar over a week befor the noteban.
> I had agreed to stay at chess-live and help out behind the scenes with
> non staff status. I was happy to do this. However Truong and Polgar
> were not happy and had my profile notebanned and myself muted for
> mentioning that they had done this.I hasten to add that until I was
> fired my finger was immaculate without ever receiving a sanction.
>
> "Yes. You have babies. You have to play chess when you have your
> period. You
> are the primary care-takers of children in our society."

quote:

---

> Yes I have periods. They are not a disease and strangely enough they
> improve my play they do not adversly affect it. Periods are not a
> handicap but a natural occurrence.Women are not always wrapped up in
> child care.

quote:

---

> I run a businness. My husband works long hours. Shouldn't
> he be considered as vulnerable from exhaustion of a long days work when
> he plays chess!!!

quote:

---

> and how about the guy who claimed my bustline
> distracted him, causing his loss. What about his hormones?

quote:

---

> "Chess politics makes even the Great Ones appear like
> squabbling petty children."

quote:

---

> All politics have this effect. However I must say that men have usually
> treated me as an equal when talking money but they fall to pieces
> regarding chess

quote:

---

> Cardially
> BarbaraVilliers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "
>

quote:

---

> "And there's the rub! Who is 'we'? There is a constituency of chess
> viewer
> who will take note of chess because of inclusion of junior players, and
>
> women players. This interest does not denigrate the junior player, for
> example, and I don't think I ever read of any resentment for including
> juniors in chess competitions because it /demeans/ juniors. "
> Phil

quote:

---

> I know of many players in the Uk who do resent special treatment meeted
> out to junior players. I statred we as in the members of the chess
> club. I sincerely believe that inproving chess should be an opportunity
> available for any enthusiastic player rather then focusing on special
> groups.

quote:

---

> "Well - you raise the question, answer it! For some couples with
> families,
> perhaps there has been a sick child, and one or another parent will
> need to
> take time from their work to nurse and comfort &c. I think it is very
> good
> if in the UK your husband could get time from his work to relieve you
> of
> this parental obligation so that you could properly prepare for a
> forthcoming tournament, and also to do whatever child-care is necessary
>
> while you attend a tournament.
>
> Not all companies in all countries are as liberal in support of chess
> as the
> UK! "

quote:

---

> The Uk is far from liberal about chess. The BBC refuses to show the
> game calling it an elitist pastime.

quote:

---

> However I fail to see why my needs
> should be of less importance then those of my husband and why I should
> be a caregiver rather then half of a marriage.

quote:

---

> "I was aware that she was the strongest woman player in
> the UK by rating, and also by winning a woman's championship. Neither
> of us
> felt demeaned by that factor"

quote:

---

> Personally I would not like that title. I recall a tourney where they
> had a prize for the best female. I asked the organiser if that money
> would be offered to the best male player if a woman won. His response
> was don't be stupid!

quote:

---

> "There are advocates for also having a women's
> series of events, and, as I understand them, these are represented as
> necessary because the 'playing field is not equal' in terms of social
> equality in the world, and also because in our society there is an
> expectation that women with children will be the primary care-givers of
>
> children. "
> There will never be social equality in this world until women learn to
> refuse to comply with the rules of the playing field.Personally I
> dislike domestic duties and rarely conform to the expectations of
> society. I would be interested to hear your stories regarding insults
> to women who play chess.

quote:

---

> BarbaraVilliers
>

quote:

---

Truong is[vbcol=seagreen]
his[vbcol=seagreen]
the[vbcol=seagreen]
lecture.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well the one way to resolve this would be to have it done by webcam.
>
>
> --
> Ray Gordon, Author
> http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html
> Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating
> affiliated books!
>
> http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
> The Seduction Library. Four free books to get you started on your

quote:

---

> get laid.
>
> Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech

quote:

---

> Hi Phil
> no I don't support women playing female chess. I'm sorry I thought I
> made it clear.

quote:

---

> Yes others have different views to me and indeed that is
> their right. Life would be dull if we held the same views. However I
> disapprove of a few things and am not afraid to say so.

quote:

---

>Women don't have
> children alone. Usually a man helps create them.

quote:

---

> BarbaraVilliers
>

quote:

---

>
> If the server had integrity which it does not, we wouldn't NEED to
> resolve this. We would trust that a player the server's staff presents
> as Susan Polgar really is in fact Susan Polgar.
>
> With Truong in charge this trust is broken because of Truong's long
> history of masquerading as other people (Rafael Rodriguez, Bob Bennet,
> etc) for the purpose of insulting people over the internet. Truong
> should have resigned as staff when it was revealed by me that he
> masqueraded as Susan Polgar. Instead, him and most of the admin staff
> tried to cover it up.
>
> It is this lack of trust which makes USCL unique. No one would doubt
> that a player ICC staff claims is Joel Benjamin, really is Joel
> Benjamin. ICC is far too successful to attempt such idiotic ploys.
>

quote:

---

> Phil
> I think what you really mean is I do not show enough emphathy with
> other women.

quote:

---

>I don't like segregating people into genders, ages etc.
> They are all people to me and either I like them or I don't.I didn't
> realise we are arguing. I thought we were having a debate.

quote:

---

> Re Publisher, I am confused as I do not write about chess
> professionally or otherwise.

quote:

---

> My writing encompasses different topics.
> However I did ask you to relate the experiences of other women in chess
> and you declined to do so.

quote:

---

> Why do some men prefer tothink of women as victims rather then tough
> ballsy creatures who might enjoy a mixed battle of the sexes?

quote:

---

> BarbaraVilliers
>

quote:

---

> Because people are more afraid of 'losing' their argument rather than
> 'winning' any understanding? "
> This is a very common put down and not exclusive to this group. I get
> lambasted for being rightwing as though that makes me a monster. I
> wasn't aware that we all had to be Lib in our outlook. My husband has
> been attacked for precisely no reason I can see. I get the impression
> that these attacks are merely a way of dealing with someone who doesn't
> go by the Status Quo. I'm quite happy to debate the role of female only
> events but you must accept I personally disapprove of them. That does
> not make either of us right or wrong.

quote:

---

> It is holding a different
> viewpoint,maybe you can learn something from my opinions.Possibly you
> could alter mine, without coherent communication we won't find out.

quote:

---

> BarbaraVilliers
>