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10 reasons to punish Fischer
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| Hans Jørgen Lassen 2005-01-28, 12:32 pm |
| 1. Fischer is crazy
2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
3. He does not think that Bush is God
4. He prefers playing chess to making war
5. He does not believe in American justice
6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
anticapitalism, approaching on communism
7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
Palestinians
8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
10. His passport is invalid
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| Liam Too 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
| Hans J=F8rgen Lassen wrote:
quote:
> 1. Fischer is crazy
> 2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
> 3. He does not think that Bush is God
> 4. He prefers playing chess to making war
> 5. He does not believe in American justice
> 6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
> anticapitalism, approaching on communism
> 7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
> Palestinians
> 8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
> 9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
> 10. His passport is invalid
Russians searching for Bobby Fischer:
"It is funny. When Fischer won (the World Chess Championship in 1972
against then Soviet Boris Spassky), Russians hated him and America
treated him like a hero," Kosinets told the Mainichi Daily News. "Now,
Russians treat him like a hero and America hates him."
"=20
More on this link: http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/specials/fischer/
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| Kiddon 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
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Hans J=F8rgen Lassen wrote:
quote:
> 1. Fischer is crazy
> 2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
> 3. He does not think that Bush is God
> 4. He prefers playing chess to making war
> 5. He does not believe in American justice
> 6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
> anticapitalism, approaching on communism
> 7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
> Palestinians
> 8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
> 9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
> 10. His passport is invalid
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No, just one reason:=20
1=2E Fischer broke the law.
kiddon
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| Liam Too 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
| Kiddon wrote:
quote:
> No, just one reason:
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> 1. Fischer broke the law.
>
> kiddon<<
What law? Did you mean the Treasury Dept Law?
"In 1964 GM Evans enraged the right wing by defying a State Department
ban on Cuba and competing in the Capablanca Memorial. In 1981 GM Evans
enraged the left wing by lecturing on chess in South Africa. There are
always people who would allow the government to stifle our basic right
to travel anywhere in peacetime."
--http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/English/chessNews/evans/040126.php
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| Mike Murray 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
| On 28 Jan 2005 13:26:19 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>Kiddon wrote:
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>What law? Did you mean the Treasury Dept Law?
Sort of. Tax evasion.
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| Chess One 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
| Dear Hans Christian AnderLassen,
did you forget #11? It is always traditionally necessary to kill the
discarded hero/king, if you feel...
....it is difficult to complete this sentence. I thought about it all day.
Why, from your perspective, do we do it?
Cordially, Phil
The hippocampus, Vermont
"Hans Jørgen Lassen" <hj.lassen@privat.dk> wrote in message
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quote:
> 1. Fischer is crazy
> 2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
> 3. He does not think that Bush is God
> 4. He prefers playing chess to making war
> 5. He does not believe in American justice
> 6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
> anticapitalism, approaching on communism
> 7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
> Palestinians
> 8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
> 9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
> 10. His passport is invalid
>
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| Kiddon 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
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Liam Too wrote:
quote:
> Kiddon wrote:
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> What law? Did you mean the Treasury Dept Law?
>
> "In 1964 GM Evans enraged the right wing by defying a State
Department
quote:
> ban on Cuba and competing in the Capablanca Memorial. In 1981 GM
Evans
quote:
> enraged the left wing by lecturing on chess in South Africa. There
are
quote:
> always people who would allow the government to stifle our basic
right
quote:
> to travel anywhere in peacetime."
> --http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/English/chessNews/evans/040126.php
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No, I mean the applicable executive order, not a Treasury Dept
regulation. What GM Evans got away with does not matter to me in this
context. If I am pulled over for speeding, the fact that the guy next
to me that was not pulled over was also speeding, or sped 30 years
prior, is not a valid defense.
kiddon
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| Liam Too 2005-01-28, 5:45 pm |
| Mike Murray wrote:
quote:
> On 28 Jan 2005 13:26:19 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Sort of. Tax evasion.
Nope, he was never charged with tax evasion. Kiddon knows about the
Treasury Dept being in charge of Executive order 12810.
Here are the links:
http://www.chessbase.com/images2/2004/fischer11.pdf
http://www.archives.gov/federal_reg...1992.html#12810
Executive Order 12810
Blocking property of and prohibiting transactions with the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro)
Signed: June 5, 1992
Federal Register page and date: 57 FR 24347; June 9, 1992
Amended by (continued): Notice, May 25, 1993; Notice, May 25, 1994;
Notice, May 24, 1996; Notice, May 28, 1997
Revoked in part by: EO 12831, January 15, 1993
See: EO 12846, April 25, 1993; Final Rule of January 3, 1996 (61 FR
629); Presidential Determination No. 96-7 of December 27, 1995; Notice
of May 25, 2000; Notice of May 24, 2001
Revoked by: EO 13304, May 28, 2003
Executive Order 12846
Additional measures with respect to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
(Serbia and Montenegro)
Signed: April 25, 1993
Federal Register page and date: 58 FR 25771; April 27, 1993
See: EO 12808, May 30, 1992; EO 12810, June 5, 1992; EO 12831, January
15, 1993; Notice of May 25, 1993; Notice of May 25, 1994; 58 FR 35828
(Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control sanctions
regulations); Presidential Determination No. 96-7 of December 27, 1995;
Notice of May 24, 1996; Notice, May 28, 1997; Notice of May 24, 2001
Revoked by: EO 13304, May 28, 2003
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| Liam Too 2005-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| Kiddon wrote:
quote:
> ______________________________
> No, I mean the applicable executive order, not a Treasury Dept
> regulation. What GM Evans got away with does not matter to me in
this
quote:
> context. If I am pulled over for speeding, the fact that the guy
next
quote:
> to me that was not pulled over was also speeding, or sped 30 years
> prior, is not a valid defense.
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> kiddon
I agree. However, my argument is a matter of principle. Speeding is a
victimless crime. Violating an EO is also a victimless crime. I share
the belief of GM Evans and Larry Parr that Bobby Fischer is not a
criminal in any context.
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| Mike Murray 2005-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| On 28 Jan 2005 13:58:04 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:
quote:
>Nope, he was never charged with tax evasion. Kiddon knows about the
>Treasury Dept being in charge of Executive order 12810.
Not yet, I realize, but ten to one that's what he'll actually end up
getting convicted for, if they get him back in the States.
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| Liam Too 2005-01-28, 10:21 pm |
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Mike Murray wrote:
quote:
> On 28 Jan 2005 13:58:04 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Not yet, I realize, but ten to one that's what he'll actually end up
> getting convicted for, if they get him back in the States.<<
Yep. However, his absence here in the US for more than 10 years may be
a valid reason not to pay taxes on winnings.
I'm betting that he will not be deported here in the USA.
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| Doom & Gloom Dave 2005-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| Kiddon wrote:
quote:
> Hans Jørgen Lassen wrote:
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> __________________________________
> No, just one reason:
>
> 1. Fischer broke the law.
>
Broke it with malice aforethought on national tv.
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| Hans Jørgen Lassen 2005-01-28, 10:21 pm |
| "Chess One" wrote:
quote:
> Dear Hans Christian AnderLassen,
>
> did you forget #11? It is always traditionally necessary to kill the
> discarded hero/king, if you feel...
>
> ...it is difficult to complete this sentence. I thought about it all day.
>
> Why, from your perspective, do we do it?
Dear Phil!
I did in fact think about #11, but like you found it too difficult to
phrase, and maybe too speculative. But I agree in your point. Fischer let
the people of the great American nation down, so he must be punished. I
should have included that point. Thanks for your amendment.
My perspective, being an older man, is that of flower power. "If you are
going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair." Well, if
you want to, that is. That was the great America.
Now Americans (not all of them, of course, but too many) believe whatever
their leaders tell them and are willing to commit the most horrid crimes on
order (like killing 100.000 Iraquis!). The difference between democracy and
totalitarianism (communism, fascism) is getting rather blurred. Not for
Fischer, however. He hates totalitarianism in any form, also in the form of
Executive Orders, which is just a semi-legal disguise for totalitarianism.
Furthermore, it seems that primitive vengeance has replaced compassion. And
Bush calls himself a christian! Thats pure blasphemy.
Good old Henry (Miller) would have left that airconditioned nightmare for
good. He was a great American.
Best wishes,
HansJ
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| Hans Jørgen Lassen 2005-01-29, 6:45 am |
| "Kiddon" wrote:
quote:
>No, just one reason:
quote:
>1. Fischer broke the law.
Actually it was an Executive Order, not a law. The one who did the
lawbreaking was father Bush by issuing this EO, contrary to American law.
Hans J
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| Chess One 2005-01-29, 11:47 am |
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"Hans Jørgen Lassen" <hj.lassen@privat.dk> wrote in message
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quote:
> "Chess One" wrote:
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> Dear Phil!
>
> I did in fact think about #11, but like you found it too difficult to
> phrase, and maybe too speculative. But I agree in your point. Fischer let
> the people of the great American nation down, so he must be punished. I
> should have included that point. Thanks for your amendment.
Dear Hans,
Its difficult to speak about because I get stuck with my own opinions about
it. Because I do not know Fischer personally, I can only guess what all this
must seem like /to him./
I think it must be confusing!
When he played in Iceland against Spassky it was during the cold-war. Our
nations didn't drop bombs on each other, or destroy the entire planet, but
we are in no doubt that it was a 'war', no? No one says the 'cold-peace'.
Did anyone accuse Fischer of validating the political structure of the
Soviet Union by playing Boris Spassky? No! Henry Kissinger calls Fischer up
and cheers him on. Nixon spoke about American pride in its citizen-diplomat!
What can all this have been like for Fischer? Did he, at that time, see
himself as a citizen representative of his country who would break the ice
of the cold-war, by not threatening Boris Spassky with nuclear death or
actual conflict, but use chess playing as a ritual conflict instead of a
real one? Is this how it may have seemed to him?
Certainly the Russians were capable of inflicting great damage onto the USA
at the time - but Fischer received no censure for playing them in the
cold-war. In Yugoslavia the Serbs could not conceivably be a threat or hurt
USA, but Fischer was ostracized for doing - from /his/ perspective - for
doing nothing different?!
He is obviously an independent character who makes his own fortunes in life
by creating them - any top chess player must do the same, and rely on his
own actions - no government can make you a GM or give you a pension for it
Again, from Fischer's perspective, he perhaps considered that the
government's involvement in wars was itself a failure, and to respect their
status as failed-administrators who are now reduced to dropping bombs on
distant peoples, and their edicts on how he should personally behave with
other people around the world appear to him as ... daft ... as if they
should tell him how to play the King's Indian.
He is only a 'little person' compared to a government. A pawn. But I think
pawns are the soul of chess, and people are the souls in any democracy. And
I respect both government and people. But does the government in this case
understand or respect this particular soul?
I conclude to myself - this idea I have about Fischer - that nothing changed
for him on the inside, nothing changed! Nothing changed about his own
motivations between one match and the other, but outside things changed.
I could certainly understand that this could be a cause for confusion, and
anger too.
Lux! Phil Innes
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"Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yep. However, his absence here in the US for more than 10 years may be
> a valid reason not to pay taxes on winnings.
There is no statute of limitations for tax fraud.
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| wbrock@21stcentury.net 2005-01-30, 5:45 pm |
| and even if there's no fraud, the statute doesn't toll while a US
citizen is out of the country
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| Chess One 2005-01-30, 9:54 pm |
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<wbrock@21stcentury.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> and even if there's no fraud, the statute doesn't toll while a US
> citizen is out of the country
I thought the comments of Guðmundur G. Thórarinsson were interesting. He was
the organiser of the original Iceland match, and is now a member of the
Icelandic parliament. Speaking as a politician, he wonders what concerns the
mighty states of Japan or the USA really can be?
Phil Innes
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| Angelo DePalma 2005-01-31, 3:46 am |
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As soon as Dubya makes it a crime to be from Denmark I'd like to stick punji
sticks into the soles of your feet.
"Hans Jørgen Lassen" <hj.lassen@privat.dk> wrote in message
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quote:
> 1. Fischer is crazy
> 2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
> 3. He does not think that Bush is God
> 4. He prefers playing chess to making war
> 5. He does not believe in American justice
> 6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
> anticapitalism, approaching on communism
> 7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
> Palestinians
> 8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
> 9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
> 10. His passport is invalid
>
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| Tom Klem 2005-01-31, 3:46 am |
| If that were reason enough to be punished in America, most of the thieves
that habituate USCF to this very day would be heading to Ossining, New York
.... and soon.
No. Fischer wants us all dead. That is reason enough to dispense with
anything further to do with him, allowing whatever his fate is to be his and
his alone.
In my opinion, Fischer was the greatest player of all time, and had he and
Kasparov been born under the same set of stars, we would have had some
amazing chess to ponder for the next hundred years. But sadly, this was not
to be ... and our beloved Bobby has lost his mind and apparently ... his
passport.
Tom Klem
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Hans Jørgen Lassen wrote:
quote:
> 1. Fischer is crazy
> 2. He does not think that USA is paradise on earth
> 3. He does not think that Bush is God
> 4. He prefers playing chess to making war
> 5. He does not believe in American justice
> 6. He would not earn money by promoting lousy commodities - sheer
> anticapitalism, approaching on communism
> 7. He believes that Israeli jews supported by the US actually kill
> Palestinians
> 8. He believes that US troops kills Iraquis
> 9. He is paranoid: He thinks the Americans are after him.
> 10. His passport is invalid
__________________________________
No, just one reason:
1. Fischer broke the law.
kiddon
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
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wbrock@21stcentury.net wrote:
quote:
> and even if there's no fraud, the statute doesn't toll while a US
> citizen is out of the country
But the IRS doesn't have any record of Fischer winning anything. The
IRS was not provided with a 1099.
One day I asked the IRS for how long will I keep my records. They told
me 5 years. After 5 years, I can throw anything away pertaining to
income, expenses, etc. If they don't care after 5 years in which they
have records, how much more they care if they don't have anything?
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| Mike Murray 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
| On 31 Jan 2005 06:20:17 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:
quote:
>wbrock@21stcentury.net wrote:
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>But the IRS doesn't have any record of Fischer winning anything. The
>IRS was not provided with a 1099.
quote:
>One day I asked the IRS for how long will I keep my records. They told
>me 5 years. After 5 years, I can throw anything away pertaining to
>income, expenses, etc. If they don't care after 5 years in which they
>have records, how much more they care if they don't have anything?
If only Al Capone's associates hadn't filed those 1099s, he'd be a
free man today. Well, OK, I guess he'd still be dead.
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
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Mike Murray wrote:
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> On 31 Jan 2005 06:20:17 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> If only Al Capone's associates hadn't filed those 1099s, he'd be a
> free man today. Well, OK, I guess he'd still be dead.
Exactly. Yugoslavia doesn't believe in filing 1099s, so who know,
unless StanB and Bill Brock are agents for the IRS.
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| Mike Murray 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
| On 31 Jan 2005 07:06:43 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:
quote:
>Exactly. Yugoslavia doesn't believe in filing 1099s, so who know,
>unless StanB and Bill Brock are agents for the IRS.
Hey, wait a minute! Doesn't the IRS have some sort of commission or
bounty or rewards program for ratting on tax evaders ? Maybe it was
somebody on this newsgroup.
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
| Mike Murray wrote:
quote:
> On 31 Jan 2005 07:06:43 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Hey, wait a minute! Doesn't the IRS have some sort of commission or
> bounty or rewards program for ratting on tax evaders ? Maybe it was
> somebody on this newsgroup.
Yep, CPAs like myself, StanB, Bill Brock, and H&R Bloch are prime
candidates.
With the advent of the "Minimum Alternative Tax", IRS audits have
become a thing in the past. IRS auditors have become extinct, so
Fischer has nothing to worry about.
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| Mike Murray 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
| On 31 Jan 2005 07:26:17 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>Yep, CPAs like myself, StanB, Bill Brock, and H&R Bloch are prime
>candidates.
I'll bet it was that damned Bloch. Never trust anybody whose name
contains special characters, I always say.
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 12:03 pm |
| Mike Murray wrote:
quote:
> On 31 Jan 2005 07:26:17 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> I'll bet it was that damned Bloch. Never trust anybody whose name
> contains special characters, I always say.
Even if I misspelled Block you still recornized it. Ken Jennings in
Jeopardy lost millions by not knowing H&R Block, a Kansas City corp.
You chessplayers from Seattle are smart!
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| Kiddon 2005-01-31, 5:48 pm |
| That made me suspicious that it was a set up all along. IMO, that was
too easy a question for Jennings to have missed so badly.
kiddon
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 5:48 pm |
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Kiddon wrote:
quote:
> That made me suspicious that it was a set up all along. IMO, that
was
quote:
> too easy a question for Jennings to have missed so badly.
>
> kiddon
Jennings says he does his own taxes, so a tax-preparation service
didn't come to mind. He raised Jeopardy's ratings by 22% during his
run.
Does anybody know how many percent did Bobby Fischer raised the USCF
membership by, during his heyday?
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"Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> wbrock@21stcentury.net wrote:
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> But the IRS doesn't have any record of Fischer winning anything. The
> IRS was not provided with a 1099.
So what? He is required to report all his income. Not just that for which he
gets a 1099.
quote:
> One day I asked the IRS for how long will I keep my records. They told
> me 5 years. After 5 years, I can throw anything away pertaining to
> income, expenses, etc. If they don't care after 5 years in which they
> have records, how much more they care if they don't have anything?
Five years for what records and from what starting point? Some records must
be kept forever.
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"Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> Hey, wait a minute! Doesn't the IRS have some sort of commission or
> bounty or rewards program for ratting on tax evaders ? Maybe it was
> somebody on this newsgroup.
I've never known anyone to collect on it. Generally, exspouses don't provide
enough proof.
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"Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> With the advent of the "Minimum Alternative Tax", IRS audits have
> become a thing in the past. IRS auditors have become extinct, so
> Fischer has nothing to worry about.
That's bullshit.
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| Liam Too 2005-01-31, 9:46 pm |
| "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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be kept forever.<<
Your income tax records like the 1040, 540, 2106, 8283 etc. Ask the IRS how long
can you keep your copies, they should be able to tell you.
I agree, some records must be kept forever, like wills, probates, marriage
contracts, etc.
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"Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Your income tax records like the 1040, 540, 2106, 8283 etc. Ask the IRS
> how long
> can you keep your copies, they should be able to tell you.
>
> I agree, some records must be kept forever, like wills, probates, marriage
> contracts, etc.
Also invoices for capital *ssets.
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| Liam Too 2005-02-01, 3:49 am |
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| Angelo DePalma 2005-02-01, 3:49 am |
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Stan,
I love when you talk accountancy.
adp
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