Chess politics - Chessville blacklist?

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Chessville blacklist?

Taylor Kingston

2005-10-25, 7:32 pm

Chess One wrote:

quote:

> Evidently you have not read my report - which record my contact with Bill
> Hall, who incidentally replied to me directly. His own message is superceded
> by Bill Goichberg's.

Good grief, Phil, this is silly even by your standards. Their replies
amount to nothing but "No comment at this time." They contain nothing
that supports any of your nonsense about marketing or blacklisting.
I'm still waiting for your list of the "many popular authors" who
supposedly are now blacklisted by USCF B&E.
I note again that "Heroic Tales" is not carried by Chessville.com.
Shall I therefore start a McCarthy-style (i.e. Innes-style) campaign
against your "blacklisting"?

Chess One

2005-10-25, 7:32 pm

"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Chess One wrote:
>
> Good grief, Phil, this is silly even by your standards. Their replies
> amount to nothing but "No comment at this time." They contain nothing
> that supports any of your nonsense about marketing or blacklisting.

You are the person who has contributed to Chesscafe's blacklisting. How dare
you write this in public as if you were a disinterested party? You attribute
things to me to which you are yourself complicit.

quote:

> I'm still waiting for your list of the "many popular authors" who
> supposedly are now blacklisted by USCF B&E.

You are not an honest reporter Taylor. When I informed you of someone who
would not speak true you nevertheless reported him without a demurrer at
Chesscafe. Furthermore, you deny Larry Parr's request that the Oxford should
be corrected in this respect. Heuch! Do you have some a priori reason for
not wanting the truth of anything to be investigated?

quote:

> I note again that "Heroic Tales" is not carried by Chessville.com.
> Shall I therefore start a McCarthy-style (i.e. Innes-style) campaign
> against your "blacklisting"?

I would think you capable of it. Or is that more irony?

Why don't you go away as you propose for yourself or stop telling other
people that they have no right to be heard? But if you stay I intend to go
into this thing - the deal with chesscafe and the deal with blacklisting.
You won't like it since you personally might not look too cute, but this is
not about you Taylor. Its about chess in this country.

Phil Innes

Taylor Kingston

2005-10-25, 7:32 pm

Chess One wrote:

quote:

> You are the person who has contributed to Chesscafe's blacklisting.

Lordy, this is descending into farce. I suppose next I will be blamed
for Hurrican Katrina and the earthquake in Pakistan.
In the first place, I know of now "blacklisting." In the second, I
have absolutely no role in selecting titles for the USCF catalog. I
have never been consulted.

quote:

>
> You are not an honest reporter Taylor.

Um, Phil, that is not an honest answer to the question I asked.

quote:

> ... this is
> not about you Taylor. Its about chess in this country.

Jeez, Phil, you sound like some right-wing demagogue wrapping himself
in the flag and crusading against sex, drugs, and Satanic rock 'n'
roll. Definitely the best laugh I've had all day. If you fail to snag
the B&E biz, maybe you can get a position writing speeches for some
windbag politician.

Spamscone@yahoo.com

2005-10-25, 7:32 pm

Taylor Kingston wrote:

quote:

> Chess One wrote:
>
> Good grief, Phil, this is silly even by your standards. Their replies
> amount to nothing but "No comment at this time." They contain nothing
> that supports any of your nonsense about marketing or blacklisting.
> I'm still waiting for your list of the "many popular authors" who
> supposedly are now blacklisted by USCF B&E.
> I note again that "Heroic Tales" is not carried by Chessville.com.
> Shall I therefore start a McCarthy-style (i.e. Innes-style) campaign
> against your "blacklisting"?

I note that Chessvile also fails to stock many Moravian titles,
including the only journal dedicated to chess history, the Quarterly
for Chess History. Why is it that Innes and Chessvile supports a
blacklist of John Hilbert, John Donaldson, Vlastimil Fiala, Ken Whyld,
Richard Forster, Tony Gillam, Tomasz Lissowski, Olimpiu Urcan, and
other leading historians?

Chess One

2005-10-25, 11:31 pm

"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Chess One wrote:
>
> Lordy, this is descending into farce. I suppose next I will be blamed
> for Hurrican Katrina and the earthquake in Pakistan.

Maybe next you will use another spurious analogy - gawd! - you already tried
out a half dozen. Maybe you will like to pretend that there is something
objective about writing 50 times about the Trouble With Schiller, and then
on being challenged, saying, no no! its all about general standards.

ROFL!

Maybe no one will notice you were chesscafe's reviewer, and that chesscafe
doesn't carry any of Schiller's books. Maybe they will believe you really
were writing about general standards of publishing by only mentioning
Schiller all those times, even typos!

quote:

> In the first place, I know of now "blacklisting." In the second, I
> have absolutely no role in selecting titles for the USCF catalog. I
> have never been consulted.

So who does decide on the non-existant blacklisting? Hurricane Katrina?

quote:

>
> Um, Phil, that is not an honest answer to the question I asked.
>
>
> Jeez, Phil, you sound like some right-wing demagogue wrapping himself

Another analogy Taylor? How quaint! But a bit desperate, isn't it. Is the
subject itself too difficult to talk about?

You cut my context which had to do with your own reporting methods! Remember
that it was about knowing about that Averbakh might not tell the truth, and
remember not thinking any correction was necessary about Gulko's repression
in the Oxford?

But I suppose it is easier to divert by suggesting that someone else is off
their rocker!

Maybe if you keep cutting these issues other people will forget them too? In
the mean time you could continue to say how fair it all is, and how people
who think its not are right wingers - you might as well, we already had
hitler-ote comparison and porn.

quote:

> in the flag and crusading against sex, drugs, and Satanic rock 'n'
> roll. Definitely the best laugh I've had all day. If you fail to snag
> the B&E biz, maybe you can get a position writing speeches for some
> windbag politician.

You are impertinent. But then you desperately divert attention from your own
role in this at almost any cost.

Phil Innes

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-10-25, 11:31 pm

A CIVICS LESSON

quote:

>It seems to me that if USCF has so much money and so little care about supporting its own mission, why should anyone care more than Tom Klem...> -- Phil Innes

Both Phil and Tom Klem are wrong. Petition
drives on drug testing (still in the wings) and this
Book and Equipment deal at a few tournaments will work
wonders. A well-done, incendiary mailing to
affiliates charging the Federation with corruption
will work wonders.

The members of the Board, like all politicians,
understand one thing, in truth: force majeure. Or,
simply, force. In this case, social force.

Joel Channing spoke of this place as a lesson in
civics, and he's right. We are politics writ small,
and we operate under the same principles of political
physics as politics writ large.

We can, if we wish, force them to speak and to listen.

Thus far, the radical stonewall erected by the
Board has worked pretty well. I got some stuff, which
led to some more dirt coming out. But otherwise, the
Board members are evidently thinking to themselves:
WE CAN STONEWALL 'EM BECAUSE WE GOT THE POWER!

Petitions and well-done mailings and activism can
expose the weakness of the Board's approach: steam
builds up and it explodes. That's also political
physics or Joel Channing's civics, if you will.

We can bring them out in the open by pressure
that hits the financial bottom line because a lot of
customers want nothing to do with a crooked organization.

It would appear that the EB rejected a better bid
in order to hand the B &E business to ChessCafe,
which violated its contract, for another seven years.
We somehow feel that if a Malcolm Pein owed the
Federation a quarter million dollars and if he wanted
a contract that gave him more for a longer period and
if ChessCafe entered the lists with a superior bid --
why we figure that the Cafe would get the B &E, and
Mr. Pein would be defending his assets in court.

If, if, if the reports are true, this deal reeks
of cronyism and, perhaps, of money changing hands.
I.e., payoffs.

Randy Bauer

2005-10-29, 2:31 am

<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>A CIVICS LESSON
>
> If, if, if the reports are true, this deal reeks
> of cronyism and, perhaps, of money changing hands.
> I.e., payoffs.

I've enjoyed many Parr-free weeks of concentrating on the things that really
matter in my life, and RGCP hasn't been one of them. However, I can't let
this typically thinly-veiled Parr slap go by without comment.

Although I am no longer a member of the USCF Executive Board, they have kept
me in the loop on the negotiations with ChessCafe. I have no particular
fondness toward ChessCafe or Hannon Russell, but any claims of money
changing hands or pay offs are, in my opinion, unsubstantiated and false.
They are a disservice to the current members of the Board. People like Joel
Channing, who I believe are serving on the Board for all the right reasons,
deserve better than this blanket attack.

Parr needs to provide much greater detail before anybody should accept this
as a possibility, let alone a probability.

Randy Bauer

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-10-29, 5:32 am

PARR-FREE WEEKS

quote:

>A CIVICS LESSON If, if, if the reports are true, this deal reeks

of cronyism and, perhaps, of money changing hands. I.e., payoffs.

I've enjoyed many Parr-free weeks of concentrating
on the things that really matter this typically thinly-veiled
Parr slap go by without comment.> -- ex-board member Randy Bauer

Earlier Randy Bauer announced I was to be
ignored. Now he apparently defines his time away from
rgcp as "Parr-free weeks." I am there even when I am not there.

Ah well, that's good old Randy Bauer for you.

The civics lesson deals with what happens when a
curtain of secrecy descends. One need not assume the
worst (Mr. Bauer's "probability") but one is a fool
note to accept the "possibility."

And why not? Money is involved. Secrecy is
involved. Opacity in excelsis.

We are back to the oldest ploy of a guy like Mr.
Bauer: Trust me.

YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE FACTS

Those who want you to know the facts are the enemy. A little
knowledge may be a dangerous thing, but a lot of
knowledge is still worse.

That's the argument you just heard from Randy Bauer.