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Good deal / bad deal (was: A question for Bill Goichberg
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| petrelet@sbcglobal.net 2005-01-27, 12:27 pm |
| Louis Blair wrote:
quote:
> Tim Hanke wrote:
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> Previously, Timothy Hanke told us:
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> "The net result of Bill's deal is
> somewhat LESS than the deal I had
> negotiated with another outsourcing
> partner." - Timothy Hanke (Fri, 21 Jan
> 2005 09:17:01 -0500)
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> Does this mean that, under the Timothy
> Hanke deal, the outsourcing partner would
> have taken an even bigger bath in red ink?
Louis is raising a good point here. On the one hand, we are being told
that Bill gave the store away and cost us all sorts of money and gave
ChessCafe all sorts of great concessions. On the other hand, we are
being told that the deal is so BAD for ChessCafe that we are supposed
to be afraid that they can't or won't pay us the money they owe us at
the end of the year! Which is it?
The only way I can reconcile this is if Hanke believes that his favored
partner, whoever that was, would have sold a whole lot more books and
chess sets than ChessCafe is able to sell. But why would that be?
petrel
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| Randy Bauer 2005-01-27, 12:27 pm |
| In article <1106765731.641242.270510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
petrelet@sbcglobal.net says...
quote:
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>Louis Blair wrote:
>
>
>Louis is raising a good point here. On the one hand, we are being told
>that Bill gave the store away and cost us all sorts of money and gave
>ChessCafe all sorts of great concessions. On the other hand, we are
>being told that the deal is so BAD for ChessCafe that we are supposed
>to be afraid that they can't or won't pay us the money they owe us at
>the end of the year! Which is it?
>
>The only way I can reconcile this is if Hanke believes that his favored
>partner, whoever that was, would have sold a whole lot more books and
>chess sets than ChessCafe is able to sell. But why would that be?
>petrel
>
Just conjecture, but I would assume reasons could be better marketing, more
efficient operation, better capitalized ownership, performance-based incentives,
etc.
Randy Bauer
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| Louis Blair 2005-01-27, 12:27 pm |
| Tim Hanke wrote:
quote:
> Right now, it's looking to me like we are
> not even going to get the $170,000, unless
> ChessCafe dips into its pockets at the end
> of the year and takes a bath in red ink.
I wrote:
quote:
> Previously, Timothy Hanke told us:
>
> "The net result of Bill's deal is
> somewhat LESS than the deal I had
> negotiated with another outsourcing
> partner." - Timothy Hanke (Fri, 21 Jan
> 2005 09:17:01 -0500)
>
> Does this mean that, under the Timothy
> Hanke deal, the outsourcing partner would
> have taken an even bigger bath in red ink?
petrel wrote:
quote:
> Louis is raising a good point here. On the
> one hand, we are being told that Bill gave
> the store away and cost us all sorts of
> money and gave ChessCafe all sorts of great
> concessions. On the other hand, we are
> being told that the deal is so BAD for
> ChessCafe that we are supposed to be afraid
> that they can't or won't pay us the money
> they owe us at the end of the year! Which
> is it?
>
> The only way I can reconcile this is if
> Hanke believes that his favored partner,
> whoever that was, would have sold a whole
> lot more books and chess sets than
> ChessCafe is able to sell. But why would
> that be?
_
Randy Bauer wrote:
quote:
> Just conjecture, but I would assume reasons
> could be better marketing, more efficient
> operation, better capitalized ownership,
> performance-based incentives, etc.
_
Since we are talking about assertions of
Timothy Hanke, shouldn't we be seeing HIS
answer instead of assuming and conjecturing?
How would Timothy Hanke know how much
difference there would be in the amount
of books and equipment sold?
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| Randy Bauer 2005-01-27, 12:27 pm |
| In article <1106772576.0378bd248402056d33f12e213b00a1bf@secureusenet>, Louis
Blair says...
quote:
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>Tim Hanke wrote:
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>I wrote:
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>petrel wrote:
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>Randy Bauer wrote:
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>_
>Since we are talking about assertions of
>Timothy Hanke, shouldn't we be seeing HIS
>answer instead of assuming and conjecturing?
>
>How would Timothy Hanke know how much
>difference there would be in the amount
>of books and equipment sold?
Sure, but we assume and conjecture all the time in discussions. I would assume
that Hanke's answer will at least tangentially touch on one or more of the
reasons I suggested.
Randy Bauer
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| Tim Hanke 2005-01-27, 5:48 pm |
| "Randy Bauer" <Randy_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:ct92br01caq@drn.newsguy.com...
quote:
> In article <1106772576.0378bd248402056d33f12e213b00a1bf@secureusenet>,
> Louis
> Blair says...
>
> Sure, but we assume and conjecture all the time in discussions. I would
> assume
> that Hanke's answer will at least tangentially touch on one or more of the
> reasons I suggested.
>
> Randy Bauer
Hanke's answer would be similar to Bauer's answer but more detailed: better
marketing materials; better partnering with other vendors; more
international reach; cheaper wholesalers (e.g., ChessCafe gets chess sets
from House of Staunton which gets them from manufacturers; Malcolm Pein gets
them directly from manufacturers--this is simplistic, but you get the idea);
a track record in working with USCF as our outsourcing partner; and
performance-based initiatives.
Tim Hanke
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