| Gunsberg 2005-01-16, 12:45 am |
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Nick wrote:
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> "Isidor Gunsberg" wrote:
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> Based on the evidence of his previous posts, "Isidor Gunsberg"
> (or "Gunsberg" as now he calls himself) is a writer in the chess
> newsgroup who evidently finds nothing significantly wrong with
> Israel killing Palestinians whenever Israel pleases.
So, where is the "evidence" for this absurd accusation of yours.
You have access to my archived post to rgc newgroups, so why don't you
cut and past your proof.... into your next post.
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> I wrote: "Personally, I have no objection to discussing Go with an
> Israeli, though I would not prefer to do so in chess newsgroup."
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> As I wrote to Hans Jorgen Lassen elsewhere in this thread:
> "I found nothing wrong with the originating post in this thread
> beyond that it created an undeclared off-topic thread."
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> Gunsberg's presumption about my intent is wrong.
> I made no inference whatsoever about what the writer who
> created this thread may or may not believe about that.
> But that conclusion seems well-justified in the case of
> "Isidor Gunsberg", given his record of previous posts here.
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> In every case that I can recall now, "Isidor Gunsberg" has
> consistently attempted to 'justify' the killing of Palestinian
> civilians, including children, by Israelis.
You obviously have plenty of available time to do the research. So,
show us what you've got on me. Be sure to provide the full context of
whatever comments that you believe are objectionable. Just to be fair,
you know.
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> Gunsberg's attempted comparison between living conditions
> in Greenland and those in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
> is ludicrous. Greenland never has had a large population.
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Attainment), whilst the Inuits have been languishing.[vbcol=seagreen]
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> "Gunsberg" likes to recite his favourite 'hasbara'
> (Israeli propaganda), however ludicrous it may be.
Well, it's a fact that the quantifiable metrics pertaining to the
Life Chances (such as Life Expectancy, Literacy, and Educational
Attainment) of the Palestinians has shown marked improvement since the
occupation.
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> None of the Palestinians of my acquaintance (whether Muslim,
> Christian, or atheist) believe that they 'been thriving
> under the Israelis'.
I won't fully dismiss their visceral feelings about their
perceived well-being, but people do have a tendency to be myopic about
their own human condition. I'm taking a larger view, comparing the
situation of the Palestinians from nearly 40 years ago, to the current
one.
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> That's a false statement by "Isidor Gunsberg".
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> As I recall, it's generally accepted that at least
> ten percent of the Palestinians are Christians.
Perhaps....But I was specifically referring to the Palestinian
Christian
Arabs who live in the West Bank and Gaza--NOT to those who may have
migrated.
Not surprisingly, there has been a similar exodus among the
Lebanese Christian Arab population. Also in Syria and now in Iraq. The
commonality is that life for Christians is getting more difficult in
the Middle East, because of intolerance by ** Muslims **
Christian Arabs tend to be better educated, have less
fundementalist views, more modernist perspectives. This makes it
somewhat easier for them to emigrate
from the Middle East, in comparison with their Muslim countrymen.
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> There's a summary of a demographic survey of the Palestinians
> in 'Blaming the Victims: Spurious Scholarship and the Palestinian
> Question' edited by Edward Said and Christopher Hitchens.
> (I lack access to that source as I write this post.)
Pity. Isn't Hitchens the same guy who warns against the rise of
"Islamo-Fascism", and who fully supports the US invasion of Iraq? ;-)
One wonders if his views on the Palestinians has also changed since
9/11? Apparently, he seems to think that Dubya Bush is better for the
Palestinians, too.
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> That's another false statement by "Isidor Gunsberg".
Yawn....
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> Palestinian Christians tend to be just as much opposed as
> Palestinian Muslims to their continuing oppression by Israel.
Really? We'll they ought to be careful of what they wish for, given the
preliminary evidence of what the Palestinian Authority has done to
them.
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> By the way, in the 1980s Israel had secretly encouraged
> the rise of Hamas as a rival to the Palestine Liberation
> Organisation (PLO).
Yes. That looks to be a mistake
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> "The incapacity of the United States to see Arabs as other
> human beings is consistent with the ebbing of universalism
> within American society."
> --Emmanuel Todd (After the Empire, p. 118)
>
> --Nick
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