Chess politics - Potential Issues in the EB Election

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Potential Issues in the EB Election

petrelet@sbcglobal.net

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

Some people are already handicapping the EB election and predicting
winners and losers. I don't think I can do that at this stage. Any of
the nine might win, depending on what happens in the six months between
now and the election. By "what happens" I mean not only what actually
happens to the USCF, but also how the campaign develops. The six
coming months are pretty unpredictable, not only in terms of the
obvious crises but also in terms of the events that we don't yet see
coming at all. (Six months ago, how many of you would have predicted
the Crossville move?)

Here are some thoughts about the issues we can see coming though:

1. The Crossville move

It depends on how things look in April or May. If everything looks
peachy keen, we are nicely nestled into our temporary HQ, games are
getting rated, CL is being produced, then of course it will -
justifiably - be seen as a vindication of the policies of the current
board majority. If, however, things are a royal mess, then it will
clearly be bad for them, which will mean that the tone of the election
could get very nasty on all sides. If things are bad enough, then
there may be enough of a throw-the-rascals-out sentiment that
incumbents, Bill, friends of Bill, and friends of Don will ALL get hurt
by it. In this scenario, Sloan has a real chance.

II. Goichberg and Schultz

Goichberg himself is an issue for a significant bloc in the USCF. The
head of the Finance Committee does not speak only for himself when he
writes that getting away from Bill's influence is sufficient
justification for moving to Tennessee, and President Marinello's belief
that Bill wants to take over the USCF himself is shared by others. The
name "Don Schultz" is similarly anathema to a lot of people. This
means that being tagged as a "Friend of Bill" or a "Friend of Don" (as
Channing and Tanner will be) is going to be a disadvantage in some
quarters.

This will all come out in a lot of partisan wrangling over the record
of the Goichberg ED-ship. If the Crossville move has not gone well,
there will be an attempt to make out that he sabotaged it. The
financials that come out over the next six months are going to be very
important and hotly debated. If they are very good, is this to the
credit of the Board or of Bill? If they are bad, is this because of
the Board's bad policies or of Bill's mismanagement? The head of the
Finance Committee, for example, has repeatedly attempted to blame Bill
personally for the fact that there is no current contract between the
USCF and the ICC, though he has not adduced any evidence for this. It
has already been alleged here that the $25,000 payment to Bill
constitutes theft by Bill; you would think that it would be hard to
make a partisan issue out of this, considering that the EB voted for it
unanimously and that the Reds are in the minority, but I bet that the
USCF pols are up to the challenge.

III. Scholastics

I don't know that it has really come to the fore yet, but the USCF is
faced with a lot of choices about priorities and mission, and the
scholastic side is at the forefront of this. Marinello, Shutt, and
O'Shaughnessy have a scholastic base. Are the scholastic organizers
going to succeed in keeping the revenues of scholastic events for
themselves, running the USCF mainly for their own benefit, and
whittling down the services to adult OTB players? Or are the OTB
organizers going to succeed in milking the scholastic events as a cash
cow for themselves? That of course is the crass way to put it :-) But
as long as the chess pie is not growing in size, there is the potential
for conflicts of interest over recipe issues and slicing issues.

IV. Mission issues generally

There are a host of opinions on this, but if the financials are lousy
and the Crossville move is a disaster they may not come out. For years
now we have been lurching about making this move and that, because
"IT'S A CRISIS!! WE HAVE TO!!". If and when we get out of crisis mode
for a moment, there may be an opportunity to discuss some of these
matters. Therefore, one possible development is that the Crossville
move will work, and the financials will look good, which will be good
for the incumbents, and then there will be a debate over mission issues
which might cause one or more of the incumbents to lose anyway.

V. Voter mobilization

With the turnout as low as we have had it, the fact is that any
candidate who has good name-recognition or can mobilize a significant
voting bloc has a decent chance of winning no matter how bad his or her
positions on the issues are. This is not good for Tanner and Channing.
It certainly favors Shahade. (In fact I consider Shahade unbeatable
unless he goes nuts between now and June. This is my only prediction.)
It mostly favors Goichberg although he has "high negatives". It
favors the scholastics. It favors John because he is the elected head
of his state association and is a previous candidate. On the other
hand, all of this depends on how strong people's networks "on the
ground" actually are.

- - - - -

Who do I favor? I don't have any endorsements yet. I wouldn't rule
out an endorsement for anyone, except Sloan. I would have to oppose
Sloan under all circumstances, for the following limited reasons: (a)
his whole good guys/bad guys approach is completely unsuited to
organizational governance, and (b) I couldn't support anyone who made
the kind of bigoted lesbian-baiting and immigrant-baiting attacks on
anyone, for ANY reason, that he has made on Marinello.

petrel

Larry Tapper

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

Petrel writes:

P> Who do I favor? I don't have any endorsements yet. I wouldn't rule
out an endorsement for anyone, except Sloan. I would have to oppose
Sloan under all circumstances, for the following limited reasons: (a)
his whole good guys/bad guys approach is completely unsuited to
organizational governance, and (b) I couldn't support anyone who made
the kind of bigoted lesbian-baiting and immigrant-baiting attacks on
anyone, for ANY reason, that he has made on Marinello.

Petrel,

Right. In the past I've doubted whether my voting was worth the trouble
of getting the 37c stamp (or was it two) and odd-sized envelope
together, but this time I'll be sure to vote, if only to bulk up the
non-Sloan totals. The smear campaign against Marinello strikes me as
the worst thing I've seen in rgcp.

Larry T.

Rob

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

Larry Tapper wrote:

quote:

> Petrel writes:
>
> P> Who do I favor? I don't have any endorsements yet. I wouldn't rule
> out an endorsement for anyone, except Sloan. I would have to oppose
> Sloan under all circumstances, for the following limited reasons: (a)
> his whole good guys/bad guys approach is completely unsuited to
> organizational governance, and (b) I couldn't support anyone who made
> the kind of bigoted lesbian-baiting and immigrant-baiting attacks on
> anyone, for ANY reason, that he has made on Marinello.
>
> Petrel,
>
> Right. In the past I've doubted whether my voting was worth the

trouble

quote:

> of getting the 37c stamp (or was it two) and odd-sized envelope
> together, but this time I'll be sure to vote, if only to bulk up the
> non-Sloan totals. The smear campaign against Marinello strikes me as
> the worst thing I've seen in rgcp.
>
> Larry T.

Larry,
You are most correct.
Rob

StanB

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Right. In the past I've doubted whether my voting was worth the trouble
> of getting the 37c stamp (or was it two) and odd-sized envelope
> together, but this time I'll be sure to vote, if only to bulk up the
> non-Sloan totals. The smear campaign against Marinello strikes me as
> the worst thing I've seen in rgcp.

For those who wonder who was behind it, know that it was Brady and Schultz.
Bill, for all his failings, did not leak stuff to Sam. If you found it
beneath contempt, remember that when Don makes his endorsements.

Petrel

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1105558959.588599.48220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> For those who wonder who was behind it, know that it was Brady and
> Schultz.

Just so we are all on the same page, Stan, are you stating for the record
that Brady and Schultz specifically commissioned Sloan to attack Marinello
on the basis of her nationality and alleged sexual orientation? This is a
defamatory statement, but of course truth is a defense. You can produce
evidence of this?

p>

StanB

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Just so we are all on the same page, Stan, are you stating for the record
> that Brady and Schultz specifically commissioned Sloan to attack Marinello
> on the basis of her nationality and alleged sexual orientation? This is a
> defamatory statement, but of course truth is a defense. You can produce
> evidence of this?

I can verify that they gave gasoline to Sam to throw on the fire.
Commissioned? More like manipulated. Give Sam some gas and you know he'll
have to fire it up.

Parrthenon

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

<III. Scholastics

I don't know that it has really come to the fore yet, but the USCF is faced
with a lot of choices about priorities and mission, and the scholastic side is
at the forefront of this. Marinello, Shutt, and O'Shaughnessy have a scholastic
base. Are the scholastic organizers going to succeed in keeping the revenues of
scholastic events for themselves, running the USCF mainly for their own
benefit, and whittling down the services to adult OTB players? Or are the OTB
organizers going to succeed in milking the scholastic events as a cash cow for
themselves? That of course is the crass way to put it :-) But as long as the
chess pie is not growing in size, there is the potential for conflicts of
interest over recipe issues and slicing issues. >-- Petrel

For another look at this looming issue, see THE SCHOLASTIC BOOM on 1/10/05 at
worldchessnetwork.com

http://www.tentonhammer.com/gamezon...hod=LoadPage&Re
sourceCode=WCNNewsStory&NewsItemCode=EvansOnChess_050110&NewsCategoryCode=
EvansOnChess&SessionToken=

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Petrel

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:mojFd.13953$_X7.13776@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> I can verify that they gave gasoline to Sam to throw on the fire.
> Commissioned? More like manipulated. Give Sam some gas and you know he'll
> have to fire it up.

Well, that's pretty vague, Stan, considering that you want us to vote
against anyone endorsed by Schultz as if they were all responsible for
Sloan's lesbian-baiting. I can't tell whether you are saying that Schultz
and Brady told Sam what the EB majority was planning to do about the move,
appointing Marinello to a position of executive authority, etc., on the one
hand, or whether you are saying that Schultz and Brady fed Sloan material
about Marinello's personal life, on the other hand.

p>

Petrel

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> For another look at this looming issue, see THE SCHOLASTIC BOOM on 1/10/05
> at
> worldchessnetwork.com
>
> http://www.tentonhammer.com/gamezon...hod=LoadPage&Re
> sourceCode=WCNNewsStory&NewsItemCode=EvansOnChess_050110&NewsCategoryCode=
> EvansOnChess&SessionToken=

Thanks, Larry... for those who cut and paste this gigantic URL and find
Evans' column, it mentions the arguments of an article by Tom Braunlich
titled "Scholastics and the Soul of Chess: Is Scholastic Chess Killing
Tournament Chess, or Saving It?". Evans doesn't seem to think this is a big
issue if I read him right. At any right, unfortunately Evans does not give
any link to the Braunlich article itself. Maybe everyone read it back in
July though. It seems to be missing from some of the places it was
originally linked from, but I found it in a .pdf file here, for the benefit
of others who may have missed it::
http://members.fullnet.net/smwharry...ul_of_Chess.pdf

I found Braunlich's article quite insightful, and though I don't agree with
him on every philosophical point I think his organizational points are very
well made. Actually I remember coming up with some similar thoughts
independently here a while back, mainly along the lines of the difference in
socialization between what Braunlich calls the old-style junior, who made
his or her own way to "adult" chess clubs and events and learned to manage
his/her chess life independently, and today's "scholastic" who is basically
involved in "school activities" and is no more likely to go on with it than
the average high school baseball player is.

Sorry if this is bringing up a topic which got done to death by everyone
back in the summer.

p>

HAASpittle

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious juniors
who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they always
have.

Old Haasie

Parrthenon

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

Here's an interesting news item that bears on the topic of scholastic chess.

Huge benefits for young chess players. Aberdeen City Council in Scotland

12 January 2005 11:05

Chess development work in City primary schools has led to improved attendance
at school and better behaviour in class, according to a report going before
Councillors next week.

The report, by Community Learning and Development Manager Pete Hamilton, aims
to update the education and Leisure Committee on Aberdeen's Chess Development
Project.

The programme was launched in 2001 and in its first year, chess development
work was initiated in seven primary schools in the Northfield group -
Muirfield, Westerton, Quarryhill, Holy Family, Bramble Brae, Middlefield and
Smithfield schools. The project has since been extended.

Scottish Executive-funded research which was carried out to evaluate the
project to date found that "anecdotal evidence indicated that the project
produced demonstrable results in relation to improved behaviour at school,
improved learning, enhanced parental involvement and active citizenship. The
research report confirms this and points to chess as an important tool in
improving attainment".

A personal code of conduct is central to chess-play, and according to the
report to Committee, this benefited children who were experiencing learning
difficulties or mood swings, or both.

"Chess-play assists the learning of 'how to learn' and creates a desire,
alongside increased motivation and the will to use knowledge'. This initiative
has made a significant difference to classroom life, family circumstances and
community development."

The report states there is also "clear evidence of enhanced family learning",
while the City's adult learning team has also made some adult literacy and
numeracy input to the project.

Other key findings by the research team included:

· The chess-playing family became an educational resource. Children gained
access to a chess set, computer and chess software, books and library
membership.

· The development of intergenerational chess play between parent and child
and grandparent and child generated a new period of quality time at home for
adult-child relations.

· Children who played chess developed self-regulated learning through
voluntary study and chess play practice with regard to problem solving.

The research team concluded that "substantial funding for chess development in
Scotland's primary schools could improve literacy, numeracy and the confidence
of pupils who require learning support".

Aberdeen City Council appointed a Chess Development Officer, based at Mastrick
Community Centre, in 2001.

The initial aims of the project, which was funded through the New
Opportunities Fund Out of School Hours Learning Activities programme (OOSHLA),
were to:

· Establish after school chess clubs
· Develop teaching materials to encourage parents to become chess coaches
· Organise family chess evenings
· Organise tournaments and one to one coaching sessions
· Involve parents in the classroom, developing one to one chess for children
with learning difficulties and behavioural problems and
· Develop a mentoring scheme.

The project was introduced as a small-scale pilot initiative, as it was
originally assumed it was unlikely to take off as a way of engaging young
people in learning outwith school hours.

But the report states: "In fact, it has proven to be highly popular and
successful with clear outcomes for children, young people and their families.
The work undertaken by the project was highlighted as effective practice during
a recent HMI inspection in the area. The initiative has been successful in
engaging with children who have experienced difficulty settling into
traditional learning situations."

The Chess Development Project has been extended with the support of a further
year of Big Lottery funding.

This funding will allow development in two further Associated Schools Groups in
the South and Central areas of the city and has supported the formation of an
Aberdeen Chess Academy in partnership with the university for Children and
Communities.

In the Northfield and St Machar feeder schools, around 350 children got
involved in chess through class teaching.

Primary four pupils in 10 schools went on to take part in tournaments at
school, inter-school, regional and international levels.

At the end of the third year, 38 children had appeared in the Scottish list of
graded players. Significant successes were also achieved by Aberdeen pupils at
local and Scottish tournaments, particularly by girls.

The Scottish Executive research grant covered a case study of children in one
P4 class that received chess coaching during 2003-2004, which was combined with
a pre-test and post-test assessment of children's improvement in word
recognition, reading, spelling, comprehension, arithmetic and
social/behavioural adjustment.

The initial findings of the experimental study suggested that taken together,
the findings for reading, spelling and comprehension support the research
hypothesis that 'Chess makes a Difference'.

The research found: "The case study of chess coaching in one P4 class points to
a process of community learning and development, demonstrating that a chess
project facilitated in school, impacts at home and in the community.

"These findings provide substantial qualitative evidence of social, emotional
and community development. A substantial number of chess playing family, school
and community networks evolved over the period of study. These developments
formed new social and community relationships between pupils and schools;
pupils and teachers; teachers and parents; parents and children; parents and
parents…

"Chess, like all educational initiatives, cannot be a substitute for social
policy measures that tackle the material poverty of low income and a long
working day for many parents - it can however contribute to children's personal
growth and resilience in circumstances of poverty.

"If a primary source of social capital is the 'keeping of privilege' by the
rich and powerful by means of extended family resources and the purchase of
educational opportunity - then chess-play, as a form of cultural capital, can
redress some of these imbalances of educational opportunity.

"The introduction of chess coaching to the primary school curriculum will have
major implications for the teaching profession, continuous professional
development initiatives, pupil support, parental involvement and the role of
the classroom assistant.

"Substantial funding for chess development in Scotland's primary schools could
improve literacy, numeracy and the confidence of pupils who require learning
support…we advocate an innovative and creative contribution to Scotland's
Curriculum for Excellence - a new specialist - the visiting chess coach,"
researchers concluded.

Councillors are being asked to note the positive evaluation of the city's
Chess Development Project and the current funding arrangements.

The Big Lottery Fund granted a one-year extension of funds to continue the
Chess Development project with primary schools in St Machar, Torry and Kincorth
groups until July.

However, the Lottery funding period for the existing after-school clubs in
Aberdeen North has expired, although City Council funding of £25,000 will also
see the project continue in this area until July.

This funding will also contribute to costs that are not covered by the Big
Lottery, such as transport and website development.

After July, it is likely that the university for Children and Communities will
fund work in Torry under the umbrella of the 'Children's University', but
funding to sustain the work in St Machar and Kincorth needs to be identified.

The report states there is a nine-month shortfall in funding for the financial
year 2005/2006, so it is further recommended that Councillors instruct officers
to report back on sources of funding to develop and maintain the project on a
sustainable basis.

The education and Leisure Committee meets at 2pm on Monday, January 17.

* The research study was funded by the Scottish Executive Education
Department's Sponsored Research Programme in conjunction with Aberdeen City
Council and the university of Aberdeen.

The study provides an in-depth account of the impact of the final year
(2003-2004) of a three-year NOF programme of Out of School Hours activities
which focused on the development of chess coaching for P4 pupils and chess
after-school clubs.
http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ACC_...ews_050112b.asp
________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Parrthenon

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

< Evans doesn't seem to think this is a big
issue if I read him right. > -- Petrel

< The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious juniors
who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they always
have. > -- Old Haasie

I think that's Larry Evans' point. What's good for chess is not always
beneficial for the USCF. Many juniors drop out to earn a living and raise a
family, then often return to chess as a hobby.

"Unlike golf, there are no huge green fees and one chess set lasts a
lifetime. That's just fine with me," concludes GM Evans.

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Rob

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

HAASpittle wrote:

quote:

> The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious

juniors

quote:

> who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they

always

quote:

> have.
>
> Old Haasie

Scholastics poses a substantial challenge. It is a cash cow. The
difficulity seems to be in the lack of "junior" players who are held to
be the cream of the crop of young players. Personally, whether they are
called scholastic or juniors doesn't matter. If we are serious about
growing the ranks of adult players, we have to establish a program to :

1. locate talented young players
2. reward and recognize those players
3. provide training and support for their further advancement into
competetive adult chess.
These programs could act as a bridge between the two.
Rob Mitchell

Fifiela

2005-01-13, 6:45 am

Great read!

Parrthenon

2005-01-13, 9:46 am

NO EVIDENCE, BUT STAN BOOZ CAN VERIFY

quote:

>Just so we are all on the same page, Stan, are you stating for the record that

Brady and Schultz specifically commissioned Sloan to attack Marinello on the
basis of her nationality and alleged sexual orientation? This is a defamatory
statement, but of course truth is a defense. You can produce evidence of this?

quote:

> - Petrel

< I can verify that they gave gasoline to Sam to throw on the fire.
Commissioned? More like manipulated. Give Sam some gas and you know he'll have
to fire it up.> -- Stan Booz

When called upon to produce evidence our resident CPA backs down, as usual.

I don't say that Beatriz Marinello hasn't been defamed here She has been.
In a couple of instances, big time.

Still, in the history of rgcp, her treatment has been moderate to bad
and is by no means the worst we have read here. The worst stuff has been
directed at Sam Sloan followed, possibly, by this writer.

No one has yet wished Beatriz a slow death from a painful, wasting
disease. That was one of the little pieces of nastiness directed at Sam. And,
too, another poster here attacked the physical appearance of Sam's wife (who,
so far as I know, is simply uninvolved with our little world). And the attacks
on Sam's hygiene that have been spun as the result of his trying to change a
diaper have been numerous and only stopped because they proved
counterproductive when this writer called the Messrs. Booz and Bauer on their
armpitting.

Does Stan Booz have proof that Frank Brady and Don Schultz bankrolled
Sam Sloan to attack Beatriz Marinello? No he does not. He defames the two men
simply because he felt like doing it, just as he defamed Erik Anderson of AF4C
who raised a record $255,000 for the recent U.S. Championship in San Diego.

Mr. Booz will eventually reply that the proof will or is in the process
of coming out or that he knows such to be the case or that it makes political
sense or some other lame reply, such as he can "verify that they gave gasoline
to Sam to throw on the fire."

And so it goes.
________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

StanB

2005-01-14, 12:46 am

"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Does Stan Booz have proof that Frank Brady and Don Schultz
> bankrolled
> Sam Sloan to attack Beatriz Marinello? No he does not.

No I don't and I never said they did. That bankroll is just a figment of
your intellectual dishonesty.

quote:

> He defames the two men
> simply because he felt like doing it, just as he defamed Erik Anderson of
> AF4C
> who raised a record $255,000 for the recent U.S. Championship in San
> Diego.

This from the guy that is adamant that one of our directors cannot quit and
take a fulltime job with us but is fine with Anderson 's organization paying
six figures to their board members.

quote:

> Mr. Booz will eventually reply that the proof will or is in the
> process
> of coming out or that he knows such to be the case or that it makes
> political
> sense or some other lame reply, such as he can "verify that they gave
> gasoline
> to Sam to throw on the fire."

I have no intention of providing proof. I stand by what I said: I can verify
that Frank and Don provided information to Sam Sloan that he used in his
attacks. You can take my word for it or not as the mood strikes you.

HAASpittle

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious juniors
who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they always
have.

Old Haasie

Parrthenon

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

Rob

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

HAASpittle wrote:

quote:

> The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious

juniors

quote:

> who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they

always

quote:

> have.
>
> Old Haasie

Rob

2005-01-19, 12:46 am

HAASpittle wrote:

quote:

> The scholastic types may appear in their thousands, but the serious

juniors

quote:

> who hang on into adulthood still come by the one's and twos.. as they

always

quote:

> have.
>
> Old Haasie

Parrthenon

2005-01-19, 12:46 am

NO EVIDENCE, BUT STAN BOOZ CAN VERIFY

quote:

>Just so we are all on the same page, Stan, are you stating for the record that

quote:

> - Petrel

StanB

2005-01-19, 12:47 am

"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Does Stan Booz have proof that Frank Brady and Don Schultz
> bankrolled
> Sam Sloan to attack Beatriz Marinello? No he does not.

No I don't and I never said they did. That bankroll is just a figment of
your intellectual dishonesty.

quote:

> He defames the two men
> simply because he felt like doing it, just as he defamed Erik Anderson of
> AF4C
> who raised a record $255,000 for the recent U.S. Championship in San
> Diego.

This from the guy that is adamant that one of our directors cannot quit and
take a fulltime job with us but is fine with Anderson 's organization paying
six figures to their board members.

quote:

> Mr. Booz will eventually reply that the proof will or is in the
> process
> of coming out or that he knows such to be the case or that it makes
> political
> sense or some other lame reply, such as he can "verify that they gave
> gasoline
> to Sam to throw on the fire."