Chess politics - Candidates for USCF Executive Board

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Candidates for USCF Executive Board

Mike Nolan

2005-01-11, 6:45 am

According to USCF Secretary Don Schultz, pending verification of the
petitions and unless there was a last minute filing, it appears
that there will be 9 candidates for the 4 vacancies on the USCF
Executive Board that are up for election in 2005.

In alphabetical order they are:

Randy Bauer
Joel Channing
Bill Goichberg
George John
Steve Schutt
Greg Shahade
Elizabeth Shaughnessey
Sam Sloan
Robert Tanner

The order on the ballot will be determined by a random drawing, which has
not yet been scheduled. The date for counting the ballots has not yet
been set. (The Bylaws require the EB set that date by January 15th.)

The ballots will be in the June 2005 issue of Chess Life. Eligible voting
members are those USCF members on June 30, 2005 who are 16 or older
as of June 30, 2005 and who reside in the United States. USCF members who
are eligible to vote but do not receive Chess Life as a membership benefit
must request a ballot by mailing a request for a ballot, including their
date of birth and a self-addressed stamped envelope, to the USCF office
by June 15th, 2005.
--
Mike Nolan, Chair, USCF Election Procedures Committee

OldHaasie

2005-01-11, 6:45 am

I know Sam Sloan and Randy Bauer don't like the Mensa model for chess so I
hope they lose.
We won't have a really good chess federation until we have one that is
structured somewhat along Mensa lines. Once we have a Mensa type chess
federation, we'll have the world's best, one like no other.
You all make think otherwise but none of you have a better idea. In fact,
most of you have no ideas.

Old Haasie

Petrel

2005-01-11, 9:45 am

quote:

> Greg Shahade

Wow, it's really curtains for the USCF now *

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Sam Sloan

2005-01-11, 9:45 am

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:53:51 GMT, "Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>
>Wow, it's really curtains for the USCF now *
>.
>("curtains" is Greg's ICC handle)

I am glad to realize that your comment was a joke.

Greg Shahade will make an excellent board member and I strongly
support his candidacy.

Sam Sloan

Equinorm@AOL.com

2005-01-11, 9:45 am

So I'm gonna take a wild and somewhat disinterested guess ("wild"
because I know almost zip about USCF politics, other than some things I
have read on rgcp; "somewhat disinterested" because I haven't played
OTB chess or been a USCF member for over a decade, and I don't know any
of these guys personally) and say that Randy Bauer, Bill Goichberg and
Greg Shahade will probably get 3 of the spots, based on experience and
popularity/exposure. I have no guess as to who might get spot #4 in my
scenario, as I really don't know enough about the other candidates.
But I would guess that the combination of Bauer (general
finiancial/business expertise, experienced player), Goichberg (the US's
most successful tournament organizer) and Shahade (experienced NY area
player and, along with John Fernandez, doing some innovative chess
promotion in the form of the NY Masters) might be a pretty good one for
the future of US chess.

If I could pick a dream slate Sam Sloan would get the 4th spot, because
IMO every political entity needs a gadfly to keep it on its toes. But
I suspect there are some who would disagree with me here.

Any predictions from more savvy USCF watchers?
- Geof Strayer

Miriling

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

>Subject: Candidates for USCF Executive Board

quote:

>On 11 January 2005 nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote in
>Message-id: <crvpmd$c68$1@gw.tssi.com>
>
>According to USCF Secretary Don Schultz, pending verification of the
>petitions and unless there was a last minute filing, it appears
>that there will be 9 candidates for the 4 vacancies on the USCF
>Executive Board that are up for election in 2005.
>
>In alphabetical order they are:
>
>Randy Bauer
>Joel Channing
>Bill Goichberg
>George John
>Steve Schutt
>Greg Shahade
>Elizabeth Shaughnessey
>Sam Sloan
>Robert Tanner
>
>-snipped-
>--
>Mike Nolan, Chair, USCF Election Procedures Committee
>
>
>
>I assume that's the current vice president, Steve SHUTT of Pennsylvania, and

not the expired USCF member Steve Schutt of Indiana.

George Mirijanian

quote:

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OldHaasie

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

"Greg Shahade will make an excellent board member and I strongly support his
candidacy." (Sam Sloan)
===========
Is he just another kiddie herder or what? What does he think of the Mensa
model for chess? If he doesn't like it, I hope he loses just like I hope you
lose.
Enough with these kiddie herders already. The brats don't stick around long
enough to have a favorable impact. We should have some mechanism in place to
get more of them in as fully paid youth.
Metro Districts, funded Mensa style, would be a good platform from which to
run some tournaments requiring full youth membership.

Old Haasie

Randy Bauer

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

In article <20050111094915.06900.00000055@mb-m29.aol.com>, Miriling says...[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
>not the expired USCF member Steve Schutt of Indiana.
>
>George Mirijanian
That is correct.

Randy Bauer

George John

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

He is also known as Stephen Shutt from PA. Steve was the top vote
getter in the 2001 Executive Board election and is currently the USCF's
Vice-President. For many years Steve has been the coach of one of the
most successful High School chess teams in the US of all time.

I first met Steve at the 1998 National High School Championship in Los
Angeles. His team placed first, the one I helped coach (Bellaire HS in
Houston) came in 5th. My introduction to Steve was showing him my
scouting report which I made scraping Web pre-registration data into
Access, and using a mixture of SQL and VBA code to rank teams based on
their top 4 boards as well as overall strength. Not altogether
surprising was the fact that this ranking closely followed the actual
results, so Steve was very interested in seeing what I had when I saw
him again at the 1999 NHS in Sioux Falls.

SFAIK, Steve has done a good job on the Board. He has certainly been a
major contributor and supporter of scholastic chess, particularly
excellence in scholastic chess. I am very glad to learn that he is
running again, and wish him the best in his bid for reelection.
Best regards,

George John

Mike Nolan

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) writes:

Sorry about spelling Steve's name wrong. Barring any other typographical
errors, the candidates in corrected alphabetical order are:

Randy Bauer
Joel Channing
Bill Goichberg
George John
Greg Shahade
Elizabeth Shaughnessey
Steve Shutt
Sam Sloan
Robert Tanner
--
Mike Nolan

StanB

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
>
> Wow, it's really curtains for the USCF now *

I would say Greg, Bill, and the incumbents are where the final four will
come from.

StanB

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"OldHaasie" <oldhaasie@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050111113155.06876.00000072@mb-m29.aol.com...

quote:

> "Greg Shahade will make an excellent board member and I strongly support
> his
> candidacy." (Sam Sloan)
> ===========
> Is he just another kiddie herder or what? What does he think of the
> Mensa
> model for chess? If he doesn't like it, I hope he loses just like I hope
> you
> lose.
> Enough with these kiddie herders already. The brats don't stick around
> long
> enough to have a favorable impact. We should have some mechanism in place
> to
> get more of them in as fully paid youth.

He is a bright, serious young man with a college degree. I don't think he is
all that involved with scholastics. He helped found the NY Masters.

irvin

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> > He is a bright, serious young man with a
college degree. I don't think he is

quote:

> all that involved with scholastics. He helped found the NY Masters.
>

I don't personally know Greg Shahade and I have never played in one of his
tournaments. However, I think he's the type of new blood that the USCF badly
needs. He's young, dynamic and wants to get things done to further the
advancement of chess (as he has proven with his commitment to the NY Masters
series of tournaments). He's an excellent candidate, in my opinion.

--
Irvin
-------------------------
http://www.pixel69.com

Doom & Gloom Dave

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

Equinorm@AOL.com wrote:

quote:

> So I'm gonna take a wild and somewhat disinterested guess ("wild"
> because I know almost zip about USCF politics, other than some things
> I have read on rgcp; "somewhat disinterested" because I haven't played
> OTB chess or been a USCF member for over a decade, and I don't know
> any of these guys personally) and say that Randy Bauer, Bill
> Goichberg and Greg Shahade will probably get 3 of the spots, based
> on experience and popularity/exposure. I have no guess as to who
> might get spot #4 in my scenario, as I really don't know enough about
> the other candidates. But I would guess that the combination of Bauer
> (general finiancial/business expertise, experienced player),
> Goichberg (the US's most successful tournament organizer) and Shahade
> (experienced NY area player and, along with John Fernandez, doing
> some innovative chess promotion in the form of the NY Masters) might
> be a pretty good one for the future of US chess.
>
> If I could pick a dream slate Sam Sloan would get the 4th spot,
> because IMO every political entity needs a gadfly to keep it on its
> toes. But I suspect there are some who would disagree with me here.
>
>
> Any predictions from more savvy USCF watchers?

Tough to call, but I'd go with your above 3 and add that the scholastic
vote will keep Shaugnessy in.

Jesse Perkins

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

When is the voting, and who can vote??

Mike Nolan

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"Jesse Perkins" <perkinsfamily@restaurants.com> writes:

quote:

>When is the voting, and who can vote??

Ballots will be in the June issue of Chess Life. USCF membership who
are 16 or older on 6/30/2004 and live in the US can vote.

Please restrict future posts on this subject to rec.games.chess.politics.
--
Mike Nolan

Doom & Gloom Dave

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

Sam Sloan wrote:
<snip

quote:

> Please note:
>
> The "Bad Guys" slate consists of:
>
> George John
> Steve Shutt
> Elizabeth Shaughnessy
> Randy Bauer
>

I was going to vote for Shahade, and even give the Goich some
consideration. Now though I can rest easy and vote for Sloan's "Bad Guys"
and know I've made the right choices.

quote:

> The "Good Guys" slate consists of:
>
> Bill Goichberg
> Greg Shahade
> Joel Channing
> Robert Tanner
>
> Sadly, Steve Shutt was once a Good Guy but he went bad.
>
> Sam Sloan

George John

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

<Equinorm@AOL.com> wrote in message
news:1105450086.293356.44260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

-snip-

Geof,

quote:

> as I really don't know enough about the other candidates.

-snip-

I will be updating this information soon, but you are welcome to read over
my campaign material from the 2001 Executive Board election.

2001 mini-resume,
http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....ChessResume.htm

2001 campaign letter #1,
http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....CampaignOne.htm

2001 campaign letter #2,
http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....ion2001/gj2.htm

2001 postcard,
http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....ion2001/gj3.htm

In 2001, had 12 voters voted for me instead of Frank Brady, I would have
been elected to the USCF Executive Board. I was the person who received the
most votes of those who did not win. Steve Shutt (who is running again this
year) received the most votes, 244; John McCrary (who resigned from the
Board), 232; Frank Camaratta (who resigned from the Board), 231; Frank
Brady, 212; and myself, 190 votes. Sam Sloan finished last with 22 votes.

Since the time I wrote those letters, I have continued as a USCF Delegate
from Texas, attending two Board of Delegate meetings, and have participated
in and/or chaired one or more USCF EB advisory committees. I now have the
necessary tournament directing experience to take either the ANTD or NTD
exams, and plan to take one of the exams in the near future.

I was elected as President of the Texas Chess Association in 2003 and was
re-elected in 2004.

Filling out my experience with scholastic chess (I had previously coached
Middle School and High School Texas state championship teams), I have
actively worked with children from K-8, especially the younger students. I
have very much enjoyed working with this age group.

I strongly supported OMOV in 2001, and have always hoped that I might one
day run for the USCF Executive Board under this system. I am pleased to be
running this year, and look forward to discussing the issues and the way
forward for the USCF and chess during this campaign season. Please feel
free to write to me at george@neosoft.com with your comments and questions.
In the 2001 campaign I received some very good questions from members which
I answered in my campaign articles.

Best regards,

George

Rob

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> On 11 Jan 2005 10:40:41 -0800, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
> wrote:
>
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Sam,
By what criteria do you assign these people to these two groups?
Unless you have imperical data to prove your point imperically, it is
just your opinion. Why is the "platform " of each party?
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> Please note:
>
> The "Bad Guys" slate consists of:
>
> George John
> Steve Shutt
> Elizabeth Shaughnessy
> Randy Bauer
>
> The "Good Guys" slate consists of:
>
> Bill Goichberg
> Greg Shahade
> Joel Channing
> Robert Tanner
>
> Sadly, Steve Shutt was once a Good Guy but he went bad.
>
> Sam Sloan

Other than getting elected and holding an office of responsibility, I
do not see why he would have gone bad.
I get very disapointed when I see people of such obvious intellect
involving themselves in childish, immature name calling . It is such a
waste of talent.

I say this with no animonsity. I hope that you won't take it as such.
You bring many good points to light for discussion. I just think you
are above all of this.

Best Wishes,
Rob

Bill Smythe

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"Mike Nolan" wrote:

quote:

> Randy Bauer
> Joel Channing
> Bill Goichberg
> George John
> Steve Schutt
> Greg Shahade
> Elizabeth Shaughnessey
> Sam Sloan
> Robert Tanner

Looks as though there are either seven or eight good candidates there (I
don't know Joel Channing).

Bill Smythe

Bill Smythe

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

"Sam Sloan" wrote:

quote:

> The "Bad Guys" slate consists of:
> George John
> Steve Shutt
> Elizabeth Shaughnessy
> Randy Bauer
> The "Good Guys" slate consists of:
> Bill Goichberg
> Greg Shahade
> Joel Channing
> Robert Tanner

Why are you turning on Elizabeth? That's OK, though; it might help her.

I think all eight of those you mention are good guys. That omits only the
one you did not include in either list.

Bill Smythe

Hal Terrie

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0600, "Bill Smythe"
<chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote:

quote:

>"Mike Nolan" wrote:
>
>Looks as though there are either seven or eight good candidates there (I
>don't know Joel Channing).
>
>Bill Smythe

He's from Florida, from Palm Beach, in fact. Holy coincidence,
Batman! Do you suppose he knows Don Shultz?

-- Hal Terrie

RSHaas

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

I vaguely recall Don posting something about Channing being involved in
some big deal for Jacksonville.. the Olympiad or something. Must have fallen
through.
I assume Channing is a Palm Beach rich boy.

RSHaas

StanB

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

"RSHaas" <rshaas@aol.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> I vaguely recall Don posting something about Channing being involved in
> some big deal for Jacksonville.. the Olympiad or something. Must have
> fallen
> through.
> I assume Channing is a Palm Beach rich boy.

Didn't Don want us to buy land from this guy a year or so back?

Frank James

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

"Bill Smythe" <> Why are you turning on Elizabeth? That's OK, though; it
might help her.

quote:

>

She looks like a fat old dyke. Aren't there enough dykes on the USCF??

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

On 11 Jan 2005 20:01:22 GMT, nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

quote:

>nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) writes:
>
>Sorry about spelling Steve's name wrong. Barring any other typographical
>errors, the candidates in corrected alphabetical order are:
>
>Randy Bauer
>Joel Channing
>Bill Goichberg
>George John
>Greg Shahade
>Elizabeth Shaughnessey
>Steve Shutt
>Sam Sloan
>Robert Tanner
>--
>Mike Nolan

I vote for Mike Nolan.

The best of the lot.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

On 11 Jan 2005 20:47:57 -0800, "Rob" <robmtchl@msn.com> wrote:

quote:

>Sam,
>By what criteria do you assign these people to these two groups?
>Unless you have imperical data to prove your point imperically, it is
>just your opinion. Why is the "platform " of each party?

I know for an absolute fact that there are two slates running in this
campaign. I knew about this line-up more than two weeks ago before any
petitions had been filed.

If you have any doubt that these are the two slates, just wait and
see. They will start writing letters supporting each other.

This is very similar to the 1991 election, when Redman ran a slate
consisting of George John, James Pechac, Bob Holliman and the lady
from South Dakota (I cannot remember her name.) Fortunately, the
Redman slate was wiped out. None of them were elected, and the last
two members of the Redman Gang resigned a few months later.

quote:

>
>Other than getting elected and holding an office of responsibility, I
>do not see why he would have gone bad.
>I get very disapointed when I see people of such obvious intellect
>involving themselves in childish, immature name calling . It is such a
>waste of talent.
>
>I say this with no animonsity. I hope that you won't take it as such.
>You bring many good points to light for discussion. I just think you
>are above all of this.
>
>Best Wishes,
>Rob

Steve Shutt has done some very bad things. He introduced the $13
scholastic membership which is ruinously low. Most of the scholastic
members are now joining at the $13 rate. This was Steve Shutt's idea.
He pushed it through. We should be charging the little darlings at
least $19.

Recently, Shutt has provided the extra vote needed to fire 22 long
time staff members in the New Windsor office and move the oganization
to Crossville.

This is an amazing flip-flop because Steve Shutt was the only board
member to vote against the firing of 17 staff members on August 20,
2003.

These are two of the many reasons why I say that Steve Shutt was a
good guy who turned bad.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:21:39 -0600, "Bill Smythe"
<chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote:

quote:

>"Sam Sloan" wrote:
>
>Why are you turning on Elizabeth? That's OK, though; it might help her.
>
>I think all eight of those you mention are good guys. That omits only the
>one you did not include in either list.
>
>Bill Smythe

I strongly supported Elizabeth Shaughnessy for election the last time
around. You may recall that I was the first to announce her candidacy
and I stated that she was sure to be elected.

However, since she was elected to the board, she has become the lap
dog of Beatriz Marinello. She just does whatever Beatriz tells her to
do.

I have been made aware that most of the members in Northern California
who supported for election last time are very unhappy with her now.
They will not support her this time around and will probably vote
against her.

I expect her to be defeated, although by a narrow margin.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

In addition to myself, I will probably vote for Raymond Weinstein.

He is a Life Member and is the one person who would be effective in
cleaning up this mess.

Sam Sloan

Chessdon

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

Please note, I have just sent the following email to the USCF office:

Hi Judy:

Would you please post this at our website:

The following USCF members have been certified as candidates for election to
the PB:

Randy Bauer
Joel Channing
Bill Goichberg
George John
Greg Shahade
Elizabeth Shaughnessy
Steve Shutt
Sam Sloan
Robert Tanner

Don Schultz,
USCF Secretary

The Masked Bishop

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

I'm voting for Sam.

Plenty of people here, myself included, feel all free and comfortable taking
shots at Sam and his sometimes egregious eccentricities.

However, he is one of the few people who post on this board that is actually
willing to get off his XXX and try to make some changes in our very sick
organization. Unlike several former posters who became Board members, I'm
convinced that Sam won't mutate into yet another flack for malfeasance and
ineptitude.

So Sam Sloan has my vote for the USCF Board. And he should have yours too.
If you think that's nutty, then consider who's been serving us for the past
decade, and the singularly awful job they have been doing. It's time for a
real change.

The Masked Bishop

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> In addition to myself, I will probably vote for Raymond Weinstein.
>
> He is a Life Member and is the one person who would be effective in
> cleaning up this mess.
>
> Sam Sloan

Frank James

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <since she was elected to the board, she has become the lap dog
of Beatriz Marinello. <<

Aren't there rules against that kind of thing?? Two Dykes on one Chess
Board? Seems like something is really really wrong.

Chess One

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"The Masked Bishop" <tmb@c4.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> I'm voting for Sam.

Well, if we can't get Madonna... But have we tried?

Morose in Vermont.

quote:

> Plenty of people here, myself included, feel all free and comfortable
> taking
> shots at Sam and his sometimes egregious eccentricities.
>
> However, he is one of the few people who post on this board that is
> actually
> willing to get off his XXX and try to make some changes in our very sick
> organization. Unlike several former posters who became Board members, I'm
> convinced that Sam won't mutate into yet another flack for malfeasance and
> ineptitude.
>
> So Sam Sloan has my vote for the USCF Board. And he should have yours too.
> If you think that's nutty, then consider who's been serving us for the
> past
> decade, and the singularly awful job they have been doing. It's time for a
> real change.
>
> The Masked Bishop
>
>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41e539fe.72283296@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>

Jerzy

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Well, if we can't get Madonna... But have we tried?

Sounds interesting. Do you believe that pop music-stars would be good at
managing of such an organization as the USCF ?

:-)

Regards,

Jerzy

Chess One

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Jerzy" <jciruk@poczta.fm> wrote in message
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quote:

> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:O%cFd.10593$eb.10356@trndny01...
>
> Sounds interesting. Do you believe that pop music-stars would be good at
> managing of such an organization as the USCF ?
>
> :-)

She entirely created herself, her image and her carear. The aspect most
valuable seems unlikely to be day-to-day management issues, relocation,
ratings, ChessWife, cleaning out the trailer, or heading up any or all of
the 37 committees.

No, I think she would be good at getting chess into the mainstream, which
some people think is the reason for USCF's very existance. So, logically I
would have to make her Director of Development.

All she has to do is look at the camera and say, "Chess is very sexy,
dontcha think?" and smile

Cordially, Phil

quote:

> Regards,
>
> Jerzy
>
>

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:12:23 -0500, "Frank James" <James@peaches.com>
wrote:

quote:

>"Sam Sloan" <since she was elected to the board, she has become the lap dog
>of Beatriz Marinello. <<
>
>Aren't there rules against that kind of thing?? Two Dykes on one Chess
>Board? Seems like something is really really wrong.

Elizabeth Shaughnessy is married with two children. She takes care of
her invalid husband, who is bedridden. It is very unlikely that she is
a dyke.

Sam Sloan

Jerzy

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> She entirely created herself, her image and her carear.

I can see that you call her a self-made-woman.

The aspect most

quote:

> valuable seems unlikely to be day-to-day management issues, relocation,
> ratings, ChessWife, cleaning out the trailer, or heading up any or all of
> the 37 committees.

You mean that the management work wouldn`t have been done by her ? So
wouldn`t she be just a puppet in the hands of others then ?

quote:

> No, I think she would be good at getting chess into the mainstream, which
> some people think is the reason for USCF's very existance. So, logically I
> would have to make her Director of Development.

Well, you would make her as DoD, so you reserve for yourself the main post
:-)

quote:

> All she has to do is look at the camera and say, "Chess is very sexy,
> dontcha think?" and smile

Thus she would be merely a seducing toy and not a manager ?

Regards,

Jerzy

Chess One

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

quote:

> You mean that the management work wouldn`t have been done by her ? So
> wouldn`t she be just a puppet in the hands of others then ?

Um, not this gal.

No, I think she would not be content to be a puppet <grin> even though she
may appear to be like a modern Marilynn Monroe, even previously styling
herself in that image.

Do you know about Monroe? She had a certain potential to represent something
beyond her own bustline - an intelligent capability, really [!] but you
know... who wanted /that/?

And Monroe did not know she wanted it enough until too late, when drugs
became the substitute for failed potentiality as a modern woman.

Its difficult perhaps to see the person behind Madonna the media-persona,
especially at any cultural distance.

quote:

>
> Well, you would make her as DoD, so you reserve for yourself the main post
> :-)

You are very kind. I am maybe making movies on chess, Jerzy. And this woman
is a player. She would be interesteresting to interview on or off camera, or
maybe present a little... who knows? I am not shy, and speak to all sorts of
people...

quote:

>
>
> Thus she would be merely a seducing toy and not a manager ?

Is this a distinction without a difference?

But it is also a serious point. What, really, do the people behind the big
names want? How would we know except to ask them - and ask them to speak
true. They no longer need to say what is only popular.

To whom would they speak and trust to report them fairly? Where would they
place their confidence?

Cordially, Phil

quote:

> Regards,
>
> Jerzy
>
>

Sam Slone

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <> Elizabeth Shaughnessy is married with two children. She takes
care of her invalid husband, who is bedridden. It is very unlikely that she
is a dyke.

quote:

>

She looks like a dyke. If she is so nice, why is she part of the Evil
Empire?

Spam Scone

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

>
> Recently, Shutt has provided the extra vote needed to fire 22 long
> time staff members in the New Windsor office and move the oganization
> to Crossville.
>
> This is an amazing flip-flop because Steve Shutt was the only board
> member to vote against the firing of 17 staff members on August 20,
> 2003.

Hardly a flip-flop, oh Unwashed One. Steve was genuninely impressed by
the Crossville offer. And the firing of the 17 staff members (has USCF
missed them?) was unrelated to the Crossville move.

OldHaasie

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

"Didn't Don want us to buy land from this guy a year or so back?" (StanB)
=============
I'll sell you half the Tampa Bay Metro Chess District cheap. It is unoccupied.

Old Haasie

HAASpittle

2005-01-13, 12:45 am

I'd be interested in knowing what is Bill Goichberg's platform this time
around. He knows more about what is going on than anyone else.

Old Haasie

StanB

2005-01-14, 12:46 am

"Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:z%PEd.13416$_X7.6232@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...

quote:

>
>
> Wow, it's really curtains for the USCF now *

I would say Greg, Bill, and the incumbents are where the final four will
come from.

Bill Smythe

2005-01-14, 12:46 am

"Chess One" wrote:

quote:

> Anyway, I thought Madonna would be a great asset to the board for almost

too

quote:

> many reasons to go into here, although, if pressed, Stan will list them.

Or, perhaps, if listed, he will press them.

Bill Smythe

Bill Smythe

2005-01-14, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" wrote:

quote:

> .... I vote for Mike Nolan. .... The best of the lot. ....

I agree, except that people like Mike can usually accomplish more off the EB
than on it.

I would hate to see Mike waste himself in this way.

Bill Smythe

The Masked Bishop

2005-01-14, 9:45 am

quote:

> In addition to myself, I will probably vote for Raymond Weinstein.
>
> He is a Life Member and is the one person who would be effective in
> cleaning up this mess.
>
> Sam Sloan

Frank James

2005-01-14, 5:46 pm

"Bill Smythe" <> Why are you turning on Elizabeth? That's OK, though; it
might help her.

quote:

>

She looks like a fat old dyke. Aren't there enough dykes on the USCF??

Sam Sloan

2005-01-14, 5:46 pm

In addition to myself, I will probably vote for Raymond Weinstein.

He is a Life Member and is the one person who would be effective in
cleaning up this mess.

Sam Sloan

Chess One

2005-01-14, 5:46 pm

"Jerzy" <jciruk@poczta.fm> wrote in message
news:cs3na9$7co$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl...

quote:

> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:O%cFd.10593$eb.10356@trndny01...
>
> Sounds interesting. Do you believe that pop music-stars would be good at
> managing of such an organization as the USCF ?
>
> :-)

Cordially, Phil

quote:

> Regards,
>
> Jerzy
>
>

Jerzy

2005-01-14, 5:46 pm

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:gOdFd.5832$7b.3224@trndny05...

quote:

> She entirely created herself, her image and her carear.

I can see that you call her a self-made-woman.

The aspect most

quote:

> valuable seems unlikely to be day-to-day management issues, relocation,
> ratings, ChessWife, cleaning out the trailer, or heading up any or all of
> the 37 committees.

You mean that the management work wouldn`t have been done by her ? So
wouldn`t she be just a puppet in the hands of others then ?

quote:

> No, I think she would be good at getting chess into the mainstream, which
> some people think is the reason for USCF's very existance. So, logically I
> would have to make her Director of Development.

Well, you would make her as DoD, so you reserve for yourself the main post
:-)

quote:

> All she has to do is look at the camera and say, "Chess is very sexy,
> dontcha think?" and smile

Thus she would be merely a seducing toy and not a manager ?

Regards,

Jerzy

Sam Slone

2005-01-14, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <> Elizabeth Shaughnessy is married with two children. She takes
care of her invalid husband, who is bedridden. It is very unlikely that she
is a dyke.

quote:

>

She looks like a dyke. If she is so nice, why is she part of the Evil
Empire?

OldHaasie

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

"Didn't Don want us to buy land from this guy a year or so back?" (StanB)
=============
I'll sell you half the Tampa Bay Metro Chess District cheap. It is unoccupied.

Old Haasie

HAASpittle

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

I'd be interested in knowing what is Bill Goichberg's platform this time
around. He knows more about what is going on than anyone else.

Old Haasie

RSHaas

2005-01-15, 9:46 am