Chess politics - George John is Running for USCF Executive Board Again!!

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George John is Running for USCF Executive Board Again!!

Sam Sloan

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

On 7 Jan 2005 12:07:40 -0800, george@neosoft.com wrote:

quote:

>All,
>
>I apologize for the late response. I haven't visited rgcp in a while.

Sorry to see you here. Kindly go crawl back under the rock where you
came from. The last time you came here you brought in the era where
the USCF lost two million dollars. How much will you lose for us this
time?

quote:

>Sam Sloan wrote:
>George
>
>Sam Sloan is incorrect. The report was written by Myron Lieberman.
>
>
>Confirmed by whom? Certainly, not by me. I remain a steadfast
>independent, one who agrees or disagrees based on facts and not the
>person.

Nobody familiar with your record says that you are independent. I
suppose that now you are going to claim that you are not a member of
the Beatriz Marinello Gang.

quote:

>
>This is of course a matter of opinion. The field of computers is so
>broad than even the top experts in the field likely know only a tiny
>percentage of all that could be known about computing, and could be
>said to know "very little" about computers.
>
>That said, I have been gainfully employed, full-time, as a software
>developer since late 1970's. For about 12 of those years I was also
>the system/network administrator for a small engineering firm;
>although, that role consumed a small percentage of my time. I am proud
>of my work, what I have learned, and accomplished.

Kindly name one software program that you have worked on.

How does working in a used furniture store (your full time job, when
you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
Executive Biard?

quote:

>
>Certainly worth reading again is the report Myron submitted. A copy
>can be found at
>http://georgejohn.bcentralhost.com/...puter/USCL3.htm
>
>The middle of it deals with the so-called "spyware" issue.

Thank you for providing this. Here is a direct quote. Would anyone
allow this software into their computer after reading the following,
written by Myron Lieberman:

"Games Parlor arranged with Conducent to be a replacement for
Radiate as a provider of ads. They made it clear that the "Spyware"
method used by Radiate was unacceptable. Conducent's "Timesink"
software normally does include a similar executable file, however
Conducent agreed to use a version of their software that did not
include that file. When the USCL client software is downloaded the
license agreement discloses that the Internet connection may be used
by the Conducent software to transfer information and reference is
made to Conducent's privacy statement, which can be found at
(http://www.conducent.com/privacy/index.html). The Conducent privacy
statement indicates that it may collect non-personally identifiable
information over the user's Internet connection. It is written in a
vague enough way to where there could be real concerns over what is
not said. Please keep in mind, however, that this privacy statement is
written to apply to all versions of the software, not just the version
used with USCL.

"Conducent, like Radiate and many other companies, has been
under fire as a supplier of "spyware". Privacy oriented web sites such
as www.grc.com/output.htm, www.lavasoft.de, and others refer to
Conducent/Timesink software as "spyware", primarily because of the
executable file that is not included with the USCL client. Message
boards such as Usenet newsgroup alt.privacy.spyware and
www.cookiecentral.com/board.htm. are worth checking for those that
want to learn more in general about privacy on the Internet."

quote:

>
>or Sam Sloan? ;-)
>
>
>IIRC, the Michigan Attorney General's issue was the lack of disclosure
>by a software company that was using the Conducent technology and did
>NOT follow Conducent's requirements (at the time I downloaded the
>Conducent SDK and reviewed it) for proper disclosure.
>Best regards,
>
>George

Are you claiming that Conducent was not put out of business and faced
with criminal charges? If so, what is their address?

Just because you allowed Conducent software into your computer, do you
believe that the rest of us would have allowed it in, had we known
what it contained?

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

Somebody go wake up Tom Dorsch and tell him we need him here now,
URGENTLY!!

StanB

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Somebody go wake up Tom Dorsch and tell him we need him here now,
> URGENTLY!!

Why? Did your old lady cut you off?

George John

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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All,

-snip-

quote:

> However, George John comes with some baggage: He engineered the two
> biggest mistakes the USCF ever made, namely the firing of Executive
> Director Mike Cavallo

The USCF Executive Board voted 8-0 to release Cavallo if he did not complete
the software upgrade by a certain date. This date was MORE than one month
after the date he VOLUNTEERILY provided as the LATEST date the upgrade would
be complete. He had been tasked with the upgrade for more than a year and
had repeated missed deadlines. The new Board that came in in Reno insisted
on something that the prior Board never did, ACCOUNTABILITY.

The failure of our Executive Boards to adequately monitor their Executive
Directors and hold them accountable is one of greatest errors our Executive
Boards have made.

quote:

> and the introduction of US Chess Live.

I did not recommend that the USCF go with US Chess Live. The decision was
made without my knowledge. I was never comfortable with the deal which I
learned about only after the fact.

-snip-

quote:

> If he wants to run again he had better find a way to explain away
> this.

I have explained this on the pages of rgcp more than once. It's interesting
to note that as time has passed, the allegations have become much more
divergent from the truth.

quote:

> In addition, he claims to be a computer expert but his actual
> job was working in a used furniture store.

From 1977 to 1983 I worked for a furniture rental store, that also sold
their furniture used after it has passed its useful rental lifetime. They
had a small MIS department, which I transferred into 1978 and soon became
its manager. In addition to managing the MIS operation, I began writing
software programs in COBOL. I set up good written procedures and processes,
trained my staff well, and was able to spend nearly all of my time writing
software, replacing the old, and poorly written RPG code with my COBOL
replacements. One of my replacements ran 25 times faster, reducing
processing time from 2-1/2 hours to 6 minutes for a Houston month-end
report.

in 1980 the Exective VP decided to start a spinoff company devoted to
writing accounting software, and I tranferred into that department. I
worked on helping develop the standard bread-and-butter accounting
applications, but the most interesting application I wrote during that
timeframe was a COBOL source code generation application, that supported
what is now known as the CRUD model against multi-indexed database files. I
heard that at least one copy of it was sold for $21,000.

That company was sold to an Atlanta firm. I elected not to transfer to
Atlanta and found a job in 1983 with an engineering firm. I have been
working in the oil industry as a software developer since then, 13 years
with that company, 5 years as a contractor doing software development for
major oil companies, and since June 2003 working as a full-time software
developer for a division of CoreLab named ProTechnics,
http://www.corelab.com/protechnics/default.asp

-snip-

Best regards,

George John

George John

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> On 7 Jan 2005 12:07:40 -0800, george@neosoft.com wrote:

All,

-snip-

quote:

> Kindly name one software program that you have worked on.

Nearly all of my work is custom software development. It has often been
highly proprietary and confidential in nature. I have often worked on
projects that were considered cutting edge technology in the oil business.
My work has not been on shrink-wrapped applications that you buy off the
shelf.

But, I can give you one that I wrote every line of, which I donated to the
USCF free of charge, and have supported free of charge:

http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....a/perfrate.html

Another one is http://georgejohn.bcentralhost.com/tca/ktable.htm which was
written to help people to print out something they could take to events to
estimate rating changes while away from a computer.

These are relatively simple applications. My current projects have tens of
thousands of line of code in them.

-snip-

quote:

> Are you claiming that Conducent was not put out of business and faced
> with criminal charges? If so, what is their address?

I am making no such claim. I was only referring to the Michigan AG case
that was previously discussed on rgcp long ago.

quote:

> Just because you allowed Conducent software into your computer, do you
> believe that the rest of us would have allowed it in, had we known
> what it contained?

I wouldn't begin to claim to know what everyone else would allow or not.
While it is true that the Conducent software didn't particularly bother me
at the time since there had been something like 8 million downloads with it
and no reports of any ACTUAL problems that I could find on the Web anywhere,
I think people are entitled to their opinions and concerns, and the USCF's
pardner could have done a much better job with disclosure, particularly
earlier on in the project.

BTW, the decision to go with Conducent was made without my knowledge. I was
strongly opposed to the Radiate technology and refused to run any software
with it. Maybe they though I would strongly oppose the Conducent
technology, too, and decided to keep me out of the loop. Their business
model depended on advertising revenue, and maybe they didn't want to risk
the chair of the USCF Internet/Computer Committee coming out in opposition
to the Conducent technology, too.

I think a bigger problem for USCL in its beginning was releasing the
software (over my objections) without an automated registration system
(something that finally was added about a year later), and without
sufficient, adequately trained support volunteer administrators. I think
this caused a big labor problem for the USCF office and diverted their staff
away from much more important work IMO.

Best regards,

George John

Paul Rubin

2005-01-08, 5:45 pm

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> what is now known as the CRUD model

I have to hear more about this.

Hui Neng

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
nature. >>

Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for returning
to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are you
incompetent?? Why are you back??

Rob

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

Hui Neng wrote:

quote:

> "George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential

quote:

> nature. >>
>
> Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million

Dollars of

quote:

> USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for

returning

quote:

> to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left??

Are you

quote:

> incompetent?? Why are you back??

Neng,

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2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
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quote:

> "George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:
>
> I have to hear more about this.

Paul,

Do you mean you want to hear more about CRUD (the Create, Read, Update, and
Delete model)?

BTW, an article worth reading about CRUD is
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...CRUD-afford.asp

Best regards,

George

Paul Rubin

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> Do you mean you want to hear more about CRUD (the Create, Read, Update, and
> Delete model)?

Yeah, I just wanted to know what the acronym stood for, more or less.
Thanks.

George John

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
> nature. >>
>
> Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
> USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for
> returning
> to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are
> you
> incompetent?? Why are you back??

You forgot to ask me if I have stopped beating my wife. -big grin-

Best regards,

George

Tom Klem

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

You meet the nicest people on this newsgroup.

<ugh>

--
Tom Klem

"There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the
credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there."
---Indira Gandhi

"Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
> nature. >>
>
> Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
> USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for

returning

quote:

> to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are

you

quote:

> incompetent?? Why are you back??
>
>

Hui Neng

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"Rob" <robmtchl@msn.com>> You have been TOS'ed:

I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

Rob

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

Hui Neng wrote:

quote:

> "Rob" <robmtchl@msn.com>> You have been TOS'ed:
>
> I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

Better watch out. Your mommy is going to take away your computer and
put you to bed in dirty diapers baby boy. You have such a potty
mouth.Use of profanity is a strong indication of a poor vocabulary and
a weak intellect. Care to prove my point further?

Hui Neng

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

"Rob" <Care to prove my point further?>

quote:

>

Why don't you answer the question? Why are you sniffing around the USCF? Why
do you have so much information about Crossville?? What is your stake in all
of this??

Spam Scone

2005-01-09, 12:45 am

Rob wrote:

quote:

> Use of profanity is a strong indication of a poor vocabulary and
> a weak intellect. Care to prove my point further?

Rob, guess which of your rgcp friends wrote the following?

"I must remind any reader here that the person who writes this
describes
himself as an 'historian', but one who has apparently read XXXX-all."

"But still you XXXX with the subject, lol!!"

"Louis, this is boring beyond tears. I have wondered why you agitate on
the
unbidden behest of others, without the slightest attempt to even
identify
what the XXXX you are now objecting to"

"You are the motherXXXXer who has continously excited these events,"

"And if you XXXX with me and mine I will certainly make entirely sure
you
understand me without a shadow of a doubt."

"Will your sub-personality xganon-XXXX show up..."

"XXXX your condolences."

"if you cant write your own name to your posts why dont you XXXX off?"

"...XXXX that for a game of charlies!"

"Mala fides, malignum spernere vulgus!
(Bad faith and XXXX the people)"

"Neither of these people seem to me to be hyphenable-XXXX to me."

"If you want to XXXX with me lets sort it out. Come on... Lets do it.
Where
do you both live?"

"So interest from Americans has to go around, even avoid USCF [because
they
will XXXX it up],"
"'XXXX' Sam, why be coy when talking of freudian sluts"

"XXXX him! "

Bruce Leverett

2005-01-09, 6:45 am

This is pretty silly. Don't you know how to recognize pseudonyms of
Sam Sloan? When you see a message posted by someone you have never
seen before, and it refers to the leadership of USCF as a "dyke", and
it says something that Sam said but in less delicate language, that's
Sam. Do a Google search of this newsgroup for "dyke", and you'll find
half a dozen more.

Time was when Sam's willingness and ability to use pseudonyms on this
newsgroup was better appreciated. There was an election for the USCF
Policy Board in 1999, in which Tim Redman, Sam Sloan, and a bunch of
other people were candidates. Redman wanted to post some magnificent
essay about USCF to this newsgroup, but he didn't think he could do it
without help (not everybody had Web access then), so he asked Sam. Sam
posted it under the pseudonym "Tim Redman" OK, but he forgot to change
his name back to "Sam Sloan" before his next post, so immediately after
the essay by "Tim Redman", there was a message that had obviously been
written by Sam but was signed "Tim Redman". In case anybody didn't
figure out what was going on from this, Sam spilled the beans several
weeks later. He got mad at Redman for some reason and posted a message
telling about his pseudonymous posting. Redman took it all in gracious
good humor, but I bet he found some other way to post his deathless
prose after that.

Bruce

Paul Rubin

2005-01-09, 6:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

> However, George John comes with some baggage: He engineered the two
> biggest mistakes the USCF ever made, namely the firing of Executive
> Director Mike Cavallo and the introduction of US Chess Live. These
> acts with the full participation and involvement of George John caused
> the USCF to lose ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

I don't think GJ had that much influence on the decision to fire
Cavallo, but if he did, good on him.

quote:

> If he wants to run again he had better find a way to explain away
> this. In addition, he claims to be a computer expert but his actual
> job was working in a used furniture store. He had better explain this.

I had my differences with GJ on how best to do the software, but I
know one thing, Cavallo's buddies burnt over $100K of USCF money,
produced nothing useful, and had no chance of ever producing anything
useful. While I like Mike Nolan's approach better than what GJ had
proposed, GJ's approach was certainly workable. Cavallo's was not.

Jürgen R.

2005-01-09, 6:45 am

[...]

quote:

>
>How does working in a used furniture store (your full time job, when
>you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
>Executive Biard?

Being a substitute Taxi driver for at least 3 years is the minimum
requirement to be on the Executive Biard.
[...]

petrelet@sbcglobal.net

2005-01-09, 9:45 am

Bruce Leverett wrote:

quote:

> This is pretty silly. Don't you know how to recognize pseudonyms of
> Sam Sloan? When you see a message posted by someone you have never
> seen before, and it refers to the leadership of USCF as a "dyke", and
> it says something that Sam said but in less delicate language, that's
> Sam.

Bruce, I don't think "Hui Neng" is Sam. This same troll has been
throwing out random pot shots at people every few days over the past
month. Other handles appear to include "Johnny Most", "John Flagg",
"Dwight Yokam", "Frank's Steins", and "John's Beans". He is recycling
some of Sam's epithets but I think he is functioning as a humorless
parody of Sam.

petrel

Rob

2005-01-09, 9:45 am

Hui Neng wrote:

quote:

> "Rob" <Care to prove my point further?>
>
> Why don't you answer the question? Why are you sniffing around the

USCF? Why

quote:

> do you have so much information about Crossville?? What is your stake

in all

quote:

> of this??

I live in Tennessee. I play and coach chess and I am developing a
curriculum to bring chess into the school system. I hope to create
something of value for my children and the community as a whole. Since
I have been uninvolved with chess since the late 1970's, this group
affords me the chance to learn who is who in the organization as well
as the world of chess. This group allowed me to make several valuable
contacts that have provided me with information that is useful in
creating and end product.

If you want to know more about me personally, I could go on. I am an
insurance agent and own my own agency in Nashville. I have achieved my
LUTCF professional designation. I am a songwriter and had a song on the
music charts in Australia last year. I have started an organization for
the prevention of child abuse.

Now, Kindly tell me who you are.
Rob

Sam Sloan

2005-01-09, 9:45 am

What follows below is absolutely not true. I have never posted
anonymously. I never use fake names. I have never done so and never
will.

I did post several times on behalf of Tim Redman when he was running
for USCF Executive Board. Redman asked me to post for him because he
could not post from his computer at university of Texas at Dallas. I
also corrected a few of his spelling mistakes. Thus, I can honestly
state that I helped get Tim Redman elected as USCF President. Later
on, George John started posting for Redman.

I have also posted on behalf of several other people, when for various
reasons they could not post directly. I do not remember all the times
I did this because it was several years ago but there were many. I can
remember posting for Bill Goichberg, Larry Parr, Frank Niro and, I
believe, Joe Tamargo and Mike Goodall. In each of these cases the
person asked me to post under their name because they could not do so
or did not know how to do so and sent me what they wanted me to post,
so it was not an anonymous posting.

Sam Sloan

On 8 Jan 2005 22:10:13 -0800, "Bruce Leverett"
<bleverett@spinnakernet.com> wrote:

quote:

>This is pretty silly. Don't you know how to recognize pseudonyms of
>Sam Sloan? When you see a message posted by someone you have never
>seen before, and it refers to the leadership of USCF as a "dyke", and
>it says something that Sam said but in less delicate language, that's
>Sam. Do a Google search of this newsgroup for "dyke", and you'll find
>half a dozen more.
>
>Time was when Sam's willingness and ability to use pseudonyms on this
>newsgroup was better appreciated. There was an election for the USCF
>Policy Board in 1999, in which Tim Redman, Sam Sloan, and a bunch of
>other people were candidates. Redman wanted to post some magnificent
>essay about USCF to this newsgroup, but he didn't think he could do it
>without help (not everybody had Web access then), so he asked Sam. Sam
>posted it under the pseudonym "Tim Redman" OK, but he forgot to change
>his name back to "Sam Sloan" before his next post, so immediately after
>the essay by "Tim Redman", there was a message that had obviously been
>written by Sam but was signed "Tim Redman". In case anybody didn't
>figure out what was going on from this, Sam spilled the beans several
>weeks later. He got mad at Redman for some reason and posted a message
>telling about his pseudonymous posting. Redman took it all in gracious
>good humor, but I bet he found some other way to post his deathless
>prose after that.
>
>Bruce
>

Bill Smythe

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" wrote:

quote:

> .... George John comes with some baggage: ....
> .... the introduction of US Chess Live. ....
> .... George John was a
> full-fledged member of the .... Gang ....

About the closest George John ever came to being a member of the "gang" was
in allowing a former USCF president to post to RGCP through him. Big deal.

George was as aghast at the US Chess Life deal as any of us, including you
and me.

Bill Smythe

StanB

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

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quote:

> "Rob" <robmtchl@msn.com>> You have been TOS'ed:
>
> I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

You need to get back on your meds Charlie.

Fifiela

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

<<<Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for returning
to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are you
incompetent?? Why are you back??>>>

Sez HuiLewis but reads like Sam. Everybody knows that.

Duncan Oxley

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

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quote:

>
> "Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
> news:NK0Ed.33277$6i.27910@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> You need to get back on your meds Charlie.
>
>

Charlie the Tuna is back?

George John

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
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quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

Paul,

quote:

> I had my differences with GJ on how best to do the software, but I
> know one thing, Cavallo's buddies burnt over $100K of USCF money,
> produced nothing useful, and had no chance of ever producing anything
> useful. While I like Mike Nolan's approach better than what GJ had
> proposed, GJ's approach was certainly workable. Cavallo's was not.

I am in hearing from you what you think the differences are between what
Mike Nolan's approach has been and the one discussed at
http://www.georgejohn.bcentralhost....er/Overhaul.htm

You are very correct to say that there can be more than one workable
approach. IIRC, our main philosophical difference was I tend to prefer
proven Microsoft solutions for small businesses like the USCF, because the
availability of skilled professionals and volunteers to help maintain those
solutions is so high. You liked free solutions which have had good success
in areas like Web and database servers and definitely with software
developers who subscribe to the ABM (anything but Microsoft)
philosophy -smile-, but SFAIK have yet to see get widespread use on the
desktop relative to Microsoft's solutions.

I greatly respect Mike both professionally and personally. I have heard he
has accomplished a lot for the USCF. But, I still maintain an organization
like the USCF should work out in the open, with open, competitive bidding
and contract processes reviewed by the appropriate USCF Executive
Committees, like the MIS Committee in this instance. SFAIK, using Mike was
not the result of an open, competitive bidding process.

Had Cavallo used such an open process with appropriate professional
committee review, the organization would probably not have had a total
upgrade failure, which had to be written off at a cost of $100,000+, losing
literally years to attempt an upgrade again due to something tantamount to
paranoia and fear that another attempt would fail, too, and a lack of
realization by the leadership just how important the upgrade was to the
organization.

That said, although the USCF didn't follow a the process I prefer, they
without a doubt got a highly experienced, trustworthy programmer, who knew
the USCF's internal business operations very well, and was willing to work
for a very attractive rate. Although I haven't personally reviewed Mike's
work, I fully expect the USCF got a great deal of value for the money, and
Mike should get our heartfelt thanks for delivering urgently and critically
needed solutions that are many years overdue.

Best regards,

George

Sam Sloan

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:16:05 GMT, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
wrote:

quote:

> Although I haven't personally reviewed Mike's work,

And you are not going too either, if I have anything to say about it.

You need to stay away from the USCF and your false "expertise" in such
matters.

Note to members: George John is a fraud. He does not know anything
about computers.

At least he is a Class D player at chess, which means that he knows
something about that game.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12679293

Sam Sloan

StanB

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41e18eed.28015078@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:16:05 GMT, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> And you are not going too either, if I have anything to say about it.

You don't.

WPraeder

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

George,

Welcome back. It will be good to see an independent candidate with computing
knowledge such as yourself rounding out the ballot.

Regards,
Wayne Praeder

Mike Nolan

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

>Note to members: George John is a fraud. He does not know anything
>about computers.

That's your opinion, it is not one shared by all.

I have sought George John's opinion on several issues regarding the
design of the USCF's system, he is one of the people whose expertise
I value enough to have consulted them.
--
Mike Nolan

Paul Rubin

2005-01-09, 5:46 pm

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> solutions is so high. You liked free solutions which have had good success
> in areas like Web and database servers and definitely with software
> developers who subscribe to the ABM (anything but Microsoft)
> philosophy -smile-, but SFAIK have yet to see get widespread use on the
> desktop relative to Microsoft's solutions.

Almost everything Mike is doing is on the server side. The desktop
component is a web browser. Firefox works just fine. Another
"extremely critical" bug was announced in IE6 just yesterday or today,
but nonetheless people can still use IE6 instead of Firefox on the
desktop to connect to Mike's stuff, if they really insist.

StanB

2005-01-10, 12:45 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7xbrbyfeyn.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...

quote:

> "George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:
>
> Almost everything Mike is doing is on the server side. The desktop
> component is a web browser. Firefox works just fine. Another
> "extremely critical" bug was announced in IE6 just yesterday or today,
> but nonetheless people can still use IE6 instead of Firefox on the
> desktop to connect to Mike's stuff, if they really insist.

No bugs in Firefox?

Paul Rubin

2005-01-10, 12:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> writes:

quote:

>
> No bugs in Firefox?

Firefox doesn't seem to have anywhere near the problems that IE has
had. That's partly because it doesn't support some horrible features
that IE supports; those features are a recipe for disaster. But I
think it's also because Firefox's development process is better at
avoiding those types of bugs.

At least in the circles I frequent (maybe self-selected), most
security types advise using Firefox over IE. For the most part, it's
a better user experience as well (tabbed browsing, popup blocking (IE
finally has that too now), etc). However, one occasionally does find
sites that render poorly or don't work except with IE. I've found
that those are mostly sites I'm not very interested in anyway.

Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised.

Bill Smythe

2005-01-10, 12:46 am

"George John" wrote:

quote:

> .... an organization
> like the USCF should work out in the open, with open, competitive bidding
> and contract processes reviewed by the appropriate USCF Executive
> Committees ....
> .... Had Cavallo used such an open process with appropriate

professional

quote:

> committee review, the organization would probably not have had a total
> upgrade failure ....

I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
whether somebody works out well or poorly.

It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
potential computer expert properly, in advance. In the case of Mike Nolan,
USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were less
fortunate.

I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
it?"

Bill Smythe

Mike Murray

2005-01-10, 12:46 am

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:11:22 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>No bugs in Firefox?

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20041230.html

George John

2005-01-10, 12:46 am

"Bill Smythe" <chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote in message
news:D8ydnRDAP8vUU3zcRVn-vw@rcn.net...

quote:

> "George John" wrote:

quote:

> I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
> whether somebody works out well or poorly.

Sadly, sometime luck is the main factor.

quote:

> It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
> potential computer expert properly, in advance.

Which is why the USCF EB has and should use advisory committees.

quote:

> In the case of Mike Nolan,
> USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
> Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were
> less
> fortunate.

Not a very good process is it? IMO, The USCF membership deserves better.

quote:

>
> I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
> this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
> it?"

I'm not suggesting you force the USCF to accept the lowest bid, only the
best one. I also want the process to be open for review by any USCF member
who has an interest or potential future bidders. We want bids awarded on
merit, and we want to encourage others to step forward in the future with
better offers.

Best regards,

George

Tom Klem

2005-01-10, 12:46 am

So, you flew on the shuttle?

"Bill Smythe" <chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote in message
news:D8ydnRDAP8vUU3zcRVn-vw@rcn.net...

quote:

> "George John" wrote:
bidding[vbcol=seagreen]
> professional
>
> I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
> whether somebody works out well or poorly.
>
> It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
> potential computer expert properly, in advance. In the case of Mike

Nolan,

quote:

> USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
> Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were

less

quote:

> fortunate.
>
> I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
> this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
> it?"
>
> Bill Smythe
>
>
>

Jesse Perkins

2005-01-11, 12:45 am

"Rob" <I am an insurance agent and own my own agency in Nashville. >>

No wonder you want to get involved with the USCF. What better addition to a
team of crooks than an insurance agent.

michael adams

2005-01-11, 6:45 am

Tom Klem wrote:

quote:

>
> You meet the nicest people on this newsgroup.

Yes, you do don't you?! - though wtf rgcp 'identities' persist, instead
of just eff'ing their fcku'n vain crap out of rgcm for good I'll never
know. Isn't rgcp big enough & common enough for you turkeys already?. Go
gobble, gobble elsewhere you tone-lowering cheap & common kunts..

Mike Nolan

2005-01-11, 5:45 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

>Note to members: George John is a fraud. He does not know anything
>about computers.

Tom Klem

2005-01-12, 12:45 am

quote:

> "George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
> nature. >>
>
> Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
> USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for

returning

quote:

> to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are

you

quote:

> incompetent?? Why are you back??
>
>

Jürgen R.

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

[...]

quote:

>
>How does working in a used furniture store (your full time job, when
>you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
>Executive Biard?

Being a substitute Taxi driver for at least 3 years is the minimum
requirement to be on the Executive Biard.
[...]

petrelet@sbcglobal.net

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

Bruce Leverett wrote:

quote:

> This is pretty silly. Don't you know how to recognize pseudonyms of
> Sam Sloan? When you see a message posted by someone you have never
> seen before, and it refers to the leadership of USCF as a "dyke", and
> it says something that Sam said but in less delicate language, that's
> Sam.

Rob

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

Hui Neng wrote:

quote:

> "Rob" <Care to prove my point further?>
>
> Why don't you answer the question? Why are you sniffing around the

USCF? Why

quote:

> do you have so much information about Crossville?? What is your stake

in all

quote:

> of this??

Duncan Oxley

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
news:qY2dnaQoqb2-z3zcRVn-ug@comcast.com...

quote:

>
> "Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
> news:NK0Ed.33277$6i.27910@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> You need to get back on your meds Charlie.
>
>

Charlie the Tuna is back?

George John

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7x3bxbt3d0.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

Paul,

quote:

> I had my differences with GJ on how best to do the software, but I
> know one thing, Cavallo's buddies burnt over $100K of USCF money,
> produced nothing useful, and had no chance of ever producing anything
> useful. While I like Mike Nolan's approach better than what GJ had
> proposed, GJ's approach was certainly workable. Cavallo's was not.

Sam Sloan

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:16:05 GMT, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
wrote:

quote:

> Although I haven't personally reviewed Mike's work,

WPraeder

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

George,

Welcome back. It will be good to see an independent candidate with computing
knowledge such as yourself rounding out the ballot.

Regards,
Wayne Praeder

Paul Rubin

2005-01-12, 6:46 am

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> solutions is so high. You liked free solutions which have had good success
> in areas like Web and database servers and definitely with software
> developers who subscribe to the ABM (anything but Microsoft)
> philosophy -smile-, but SFAIK have yet to see get widespread use on the
> desktop relative to Microsoft's solutions.

Tom Klem

2005-01-12, 9:45 am

So, you flew on the shuttle?

"Bill Smythe" <chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote in message
news:D8ydnRDAP8vUU3zcRVn-vw@rcn.net...

quote:

> "George John" wrote:
bidding[vbcol=seagreen]
> professional
>
> I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
> whether somebody works out well or poorly.
>
> It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
> potential computer expert properly, in advance. In the case of Mike

Nolan,

quote:

> USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
> Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were

less

quote:

> fortunate.
>
> I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
> this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
> it?"
>
> Bill Smythe
>
>
>

Paul Rubin

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> Do you mean you want to hear more about CRUD (the Create, Read, Update, and
> Delete model)?

Yeah, I just wanted to know what the acronym stood for, more or less.
Thanks.

StanB

2005-01-12, 5:46 pm

"Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
news:NK0Ed.33277$6i.27910@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

quote:

> "Rob" <robmtchl@msn.com>> You have been TOS'ed:
>
> I guess not, dickless piece of trash.

You need to get back on your meds Charlie.

George John

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
news:R7_Dd.32764$6i.24177@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

quote:

> "George John" It has often been highly proprietary and confidential in
> nature. >>
>
> Sounds like a load of bullshit. So how did you lose One Million Dollars of
> USCF money? Why aren't you in prison?? What reason do you have for
> returning
> to the USCF? Are you interested in stealing the money that is left?? Are
> you
> incompetent?? Why are you back??

You forgot to ask me if I have stopped beating my wife. -big grin-

Best regards,

George

George John

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7xd5wf4k8p.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...

quote:

> "George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:
>
> I have to hear more about this.

Jürgen R.

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

[...]

quote:

>
>How does working in a used furniture store (your full time job, when
>you were not dabbling with computers) qualify you to be on the USCF
>Executive Biard?

Being a substitute Taxi driver for at least 3 years is the minimum
requirement to be on the Executive Biard.
[...]

Sam Sloan

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

quote:

>This is pretty silly. Don't you know how to recognize pseudonyms of
>Sam Sloan? When you see a message posted by someone you have never
>seen before, and it refers to the leadership of USCF as a "dyke", and
>it says something that Sam said but in less delicate language, that's
>Sam. Do a Google search of this newsgroup for "dyke", and you'll find
>half a dozen more.
>
>Time was when Sam's willingness and ability to use pseudonyms on this
>newsgroup was better appreciated. There was an election for the USCF
>Policy Board in 1999, in which Tim Redman, Sam Sloan, and a bunch of
>other people were candidates. Redman wanted to post some magnificent
>essay about USCF to this newsgroup, but he didn't think he could do it
>without help (not everybody had Web access then), so he asked Sam. Sam
>posted it under the pseudonym "Tim Redman" OK, but he forgot to change
>his name back to "Sam Sloan" before his next post, so immediately after
>the essay by "Tim Redman", there was a message that had obviously been
>written by Sam but was signed "Tim Redman". In case anybody didn't
>figure out what was going on from this, Sam spilled the beans several
>weeks later. He got mad at Redman for some reason and posted a message
>telling about his pseudonymous posting. Redman took it all in gracious
>good humor, but I bet he found some other way to post his deathless
>prose after that.
>
>Bruce
>

Fifiela

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

Duncan Oxley

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
news:qY2dnaQoqb2-z3zcRVn-ug@comcast.com...

quote:

>
> "Hui Neng" <HuiLewis@philosophy.com> wrote in message
> news:NK0Ed.33277$6i.27910@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> You need to get back on your meds Charlie.
>
>

Charlie the Tuna is back?

George John

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7x3bxbt3d0.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

Paul,

quote:

> I had my differences with GJ on how best to do the software, but I
> know one thing, Cavallo's buddies burnt over $100K of USCF money,
> produced nothing useful, and had no chance of ever producing anything
> useful. While I like Mike Nolan's approach better than what GJ had
> proposed, GJ's approach was certainly workable. Cavallo's was not.

Sam Sloan

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:16:05 GMT, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
wrote:

quote:

> Although I haven't personally reviewed Mike's work,

StanB

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41e18eed.28015078@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:16:05 GMT, "George John" <george@neosoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> And you are not going too either, if I have anything to say about it.

You don't.

WPraeder

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

George,

Welcome back. It will be good to see an independent candidate with computing
knowledge such as yourself rounding out the ballot.

Regards,
Wayne Praeder

Mike Nolan

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

>Note to members: George John is a fraud. He does not know anything
>about computers.

Paul Rubin

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:

quote:

> solutions is so high. You liked free solutions which have had good success
> in areas like Web and database servers and definitely with software
> developers who subscribe to the ABM (anything but Microsoft)
> philosophy -smile-, but SFAIK have yet to see get widespread use on the
> desktop relative to Microsoft's solutions.

StanB

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7xbrbyfeyn.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...

quote:

> "George John" <george@neosoft.com> writes:
>
> Almost everything Mike is doing is on the server side. The desktop
> component is a web browser. Firefox works just fine. Another
> "extremely critical" bug was announced in IE6 just yesterday or today,
> but nonetheless people can still use IE6 instead of Firefox on the
> desktop to connect to Mike's stuff, if they really insist.

No bugs in Firefox?

Mike Murray

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:11:22 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>No bugs in Firefox?

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20041230.html

George John

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"Bill Smythe" <chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote in message
news:D8ydnRDAP8vUU3zcRVn-vw@rcn.net...

quote:

> "George John" wrote:

quote:

> I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
> whether somebody works out well or poorly.

Sadly, sometime luck is the main factor.

quote:

> It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
> potential computer expert properly, in advance.

Which is why the USCF EB has and should use advisory committees.

quote:

> In the case of Mike Nolan,
> USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
> Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were
> less
> fortunate.

Not a very good process is it? IMO, The USCF membership deserves better.

quote:

>
> I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
> this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
> it?"

Paul Rubin

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> writes:

quote:

>
> No bugs in Firefox?

Tom Klem

2005-01-15, 12:46 am

So, you flew on the shuttle?

"Bill Smythe" <chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote in message
news:D8ydnRDAP8vUU3zcRVn-vw@rcn.net...

quote:

> "George John" wrote:
bidding[vbcol=seagreen]
> professional
>
> I'm all in favor of openness, but sometimes I think it's just sheer luck
> whether somebody works out well or poorly.
>
> It's difficult for non-professionals (like EB members) to evaluate a
> potential computer expert properly, in advance. In the case of Mike

Nolan,

quote:

> USCF got lucky and found someone really good. In the case of whoever
> Cavallo found (wasn't it his brother-in-law, or something?), they were

less

quote:

> fortunate.
>
> I once overheard a fellow passenger on an airline remark, "Everything on
> this plane was furnished by the lowest bidder. That's comforting, isn't
> it?"
>
> Bill Smythe
>
>
>

Jesse Perkins

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

"Rob" <I am an insurance agent and own my own agency in Nashville. >>

No wonder you want to get involved with the USCF. What better addition to a
team of crooks than an insurance agent.

michael adams

2005-01-15, 6:47 am

Tom Klem wrote:

quote:

>
> You meet the nicest people on this newsgroup.