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The minimalization of the USCF
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| Sam Sloan 2004-12-28, 6:46 am |
| On 28 Dec 2004 03:01:14 GMT, beatchess@aol.com (Beatchess) wrote:
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>The USCF should an independent organization free of conflict of interests that
>support chess growth in the USA. This does not mean giving the store away!
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>Beatriz Marinello
Amazing that Beatriz Marinello says that we should be free of
conflicts of interest, when she is the most conflicted person of all.
Sam Sloan
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| ESchember 2004-12-28, 9:46 am |
| Well, Sloan considers Beatriz Marinello the most conflicted person of all in
USCF, but he doesn't say a thing about his friend Schultz's intentions to
transfer USCF's assets to AF4C.
What's wrong with this picture?
Ed
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| Beatchess 2004-12-28, 9:46 am |
| "Amazing that Beatriz Marinello says that we should be free of
conflicts of interest, when she is the most conflicted person of all.
Sam Sloan"
I guess at this point, I should not take anything that Sloan says seriously.
But I am puzzled by this remark. What conflict of interest are you talking
about?
My chess relate activities has being:
* Volunteering as a member of the Executive Board.
* Volunteering as a member of the Scholastic Council for three years.
* Working for the USCF office as Scholastic Director for three years (Feb. 1,
1997-March 2000)
* Organizer of the 2000 US Chessathon (I handle all the fundraising and
organization)
* Organizer of the 1999 National Grade K-12 on behalf of the USCF.
* Organizer of the 2003 US Junior Open.
* Founder and developer of several scholastic program in the New York and
Miami.
* Running and teaching as a volunteer several Chess in education Seminars.
* Organizer of the 2000 Latino-American Scholastic On-line Championship
(Kasparov Chess Online)
* Organizer of many USCF scholastic rated events.
* Serving as a volunteer in the Scholastic, Chess in education and Outreach
Committees.
* Volunteering as a General Secretary of FIDE Americas.
* Teaching thousands of children how to play chess as part of the school
curriculum in NYC and Chappaqua, NY.
* Working as a chess consultant for District 3. NYC Board of Education.
* Developer and founder of the Yonkers and New Rochelle Municipal Housing Chess
Programs.
* Organizer of several Chess Camps.
* Teaching in many chess camps.
* Playing in four US Women's Championships.
* Representing the US in two Women's Interzonals.
*Representing the US in the 1994 Chess Olympiad.
I moved to the US in 1990. Prior to this, I also have a very extensive chess
curriculum as a player, organizer, journalist (Spanish and Portuguese) and
Director of Public Relations of the Chilean Chess Federation.
Well, this is my last communication for a while, since I am driving from Miami
to New York to volunteer at the USCF office starting on January 3, 3005.
Happy New Year to of you!
Beatriz Marinello
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| Larry Tapper 2004-12-28, 9:46 am |
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Chess One wrote:
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> Do we have some crux of a decision here about the future?
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LT> Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Now that you mention it,
I
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> This is your first comment. What does this support constitute, beyond
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> administering to the ratings system?
Rules, TD certification, FIDE ratings and titles, calendars of rated
events, and possibly assistance to first-time organizers.
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> <lol> 'represent' and 'in' Fide.
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> Wake up Larry. Previous USCF representatives to FIDE have argued
/against/
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> what players have represented about their own aspirations, to the
degree
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> that Fide-level players have scarce contact with USCF.
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> And by 'in' I wonder what you can mean? The USCF resolution to
censure Fide
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> action was not even /heard/ in Calvia, but ruled 'out of order' by
> burocratic finesse.
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> Meanwhile USCF adopts nonsense Fide resolution to do with drugs, cell
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> phones, and writing down your move. All of which are laughable and
> nonsensical innovations by those who would impose these measures on
chess
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> players.
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> "Represent?" ROFL!!
Phil,
This is all quite irrelevant to the point I was making. So long as FIDE
exists, each chessplaying nation needs exactly one organization to
represent it there. The USCF is it in our case.
That's all I'm saying. It's much like recognizing the need for a
congressional representative, whether you like your current Rep. or
not.
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> It means to develop the game as a cultural force. If USCF abandons
this
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> tenet of its own establishment, what is left?
Chess is probably as popular as ever in the US, if you count people who
fool around at home on their computers. I don't see what the USCF can
really do to make the game much more of a "cultural force" than it
already is. I do think that the USCF could probably do a better job
promoting its own specialty, which is rated OTB play.
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> 'Control' is not an appropriate word in a demand market. "Intention"
is a
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> better one. What was the last try to promote chess to mainline media?
I'm wondering exactly what you picture happening as a result of some
intensified USCF media campaign. Most likely it would have some effect,
but I very much doubt that anything would change dramatically. It seems
to me that the kinds of things that really make a difference are
technological changes (computers, the Internet); gripping dramas like
Fischer's challenge to the Soviets; socio-economic changes (leisure
time, disposable income, shifting attitudes toward brainy pursuits);
and relatively independent media decisions like ESPN picking up the
Kasparov-computer match.
Larry T.
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> USCF has evidently failed at this, and the slack is taken up by
> non-membership oriented folks who nevertheless have the development
of chess
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> USA at heart.
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> Phil Innes
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| HAASpittle 2004-12-28, 5:47 pm |
| "Well, this is my last communication for a while, since I am driving from Miami
to New York to volunteer at the USCF office starting on January 3, 3005."
(Beatriz Marinello)
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Beatriz, 1000 years is a long drive. You'll have plenty of time to consult
www.Roadfood.com to find all the really great hidden away little eating joints
along the way. If you're heading up I-95, I'd suggest the seafood shack in
tiny little St. Mary's, Georgia.
Old Haasie
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| Chess One 2004-12-28, 5:47 pm |
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"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104244925.079125.43530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> Chess One wrote:
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> ?
On this an another newsgroup, we are discussing the future range of USCF
activity, and we at the CROSSROADS - the 'crux' - of whether it is to be a
minimalist organisation, catering to 2,000 chess-clubs by way of providing
principally rating services, or if it is to do more than that.
What has been lacking in any of these move threads is an intelligent addres
to this very central forward-looking view.
Perhaps I have been the only voice raising this issue /above that/ of
physically moving to Crossville. Yet the two are linked - to wit; what
functions will the Crossville establish house? - minimalist ones like this
club-maintenance activity you describe, or, as is stated in USCF's mission
statement, to expand the role of chess into the wider culture?
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> LT> Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Now that you mention it,
> I
> threatened
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> Rules, TD certification, FIDE ratings and titles, calendars of rated
> events, and possibly assistance to first-time organizers.
Very good.
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> /against/
> degree
> censure Fide
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> chess
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> Phil,
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> This is all quite irrelevant to the point I was making. So long as FIDE
> exists, each chessplaying nation needs exactly one organization to
> represent it there. The USCF is it in our case.
I believe we use the word 'represent' entirely differently Larry, and recent
events show that USCF is just a cipher, a rubber stamp, for whatever Fide
implements.
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> That's all I'm saying. It's much like recognizing the need for a
> congressional representative, whether you like your current Rep. or
> not.
I believe I have established the basis of a contention here, and much
resolves around that word 'represent'. To put this aside for a moment, lets
stick with your minimal USCF establishment.
Can we now proportion it? ie, how much staff allocated to each office?
Otherwise I think we gloss the fact that perhaps 8 people cover one
function, and 1 person has 5 functions. I would like to examine the specific
level of staffing to provide minimum services.
For people who want more than minimum services, can they also allocate staff
to additional functions they feel USCF could usefully perform?
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> this
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> Chess is probably as popular as ever in the US, if you count people who
> fool around at home on their computers. I don't see what the USCF can
> really do to make the game much more of a "cultural force" than it
> already is. I do think that the USCF could probably do a better job
> promoting its own specialty, which is rated OTB play.
Agree with your OTB comment. But not with the balance of commentary in that
paragraph. Just one example is that I suggested to Eric Johnson that
University Clubs be managed by USCF - since this would maintain players in
the fold by stimulating their chess habit, and so they would not drop out.
As a strategic element I also understand Beatriz to have subscribed to the
need to keep players in the game, in fact, during our Chessville interview
with her, she saw it as a prime role USCF should play.
Eric J thought it would be a too-great drain on scarce resources. You appear
not to credit it as worthwhile on other grounds. In this respect you are
both minimalists.
In this case I am making a non-theoretical inquiry, since I am trying to
link some US Universities with those overseas, as an additional stimulus to
playing chess.
A second critique of your comment might be that it ignores the great power
and influence of the media, and while I would agree with you that good media
attention is difficult to engage, I do not deprecate the worth of that
engagement.
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> factors
> is a
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> I'm wondering exactly what you picture happening as a result of some
> intensified USCF media campaign. Most likely it would have some effect,
> but I very much doubt that anything would change dramatically. It seems
> to me that the kinds of things that really make a difference are
> technological changes (computers, the Internet); gripping dramas like
> Fischer's challenge to the Soviets; socio-economic changes (leisure
> time, disposable income, shifting attitudes toward brainy pursuits);
> and relatively independent media decisions like ESPN picking up the
> Kasparov-computer match.
A good response! Much more might be said, and although we are not on the
same page on every issue, I am glad you write your differing opinions
without rancour.
Cordially! Phil Innes
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> Larry T.
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> of chess
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| Parrthenon 2004-12-28, 5:47 pm |
| < Well, this is my last communication for a while, since I am driving from
Miami to New York to volunteer at the USCF office starting on January 3. > --
Beatriz Marinello
"Morale in the office is at an all-time low. We have been told Beatriz
Marinello is expected to arrive in New Windsor on January 3. One somehow doubts
that she will be greeted with cheers by a staff callously being fired becauseof
this crazed move to Crossville.
"We learned that Ms. Marinello lobbied the board to appoint her interim
executive director. When this ploy failed -- due in large part to outrage
expressed on this forum -- she was appointed COO for three months to supervise
the move to Crossville. Will she receive a bonus for this unpaid service after
her term as president expires?" -- Larry Parr (in Randy Bauer and the
gang-of-four posted 12/22/2004 9:17 AM Pacific Standard Time)
________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.
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| Chessdon 2004-12-28, 5:47 pm |
| >USCF, but he doesn't say a thing about his friend Schultz's intentions to
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>transfer USCF's assets to AF4C.
Nonsense!
I am 1000% USCF supporter! I've been a member for nearly half a century and I
always look after USCF's interests first of all and often that doesn't go down
so well with friend or foe - C'est la vie!
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| Randy Bauer 2004-12-29, 12:45 am |
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"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20041228125749.06541.00001943@mb-m24.news.cs.com...
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>< Well, this is my last communication for a while, since I am driving from
> Miami to New York to volunteer at the USCF office starting on January 3.
> Beatriz Marinello
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> "Morale in the office is at an all-time low. We have been told Beatriz
> Marinello is expected to arrive in New Windsor on January 3. One somehow
> doubts
> that she will be greeted with cheers by a staff callously being fired
> becauseof
> this crazed move to Crossville.
They're not being fired. Free will is a liberating concept, don't you all
think?
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> "We learned that Ms. Marinello lobbied the board to appoint her interim
> executive director.
I believe that is false. Given that I am a Board member, I wonder why Larry
is so much more enlightened about Board action.
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>When this ploy failed -- due in large part to outrage
> expressed on this forum -- she was appointed COO for three months to
> supervise
> the move to Crossville.
False as it relates to a ploy and any supposed outrage impacting a decision.
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>Will she receive a bonus for this unpaid service after
> her term as president expires?" -- Larry Parr (in Randy Bauer and the
> gang-of-four posted 12/22/2004 9:17 AM Pacific Standard Time)
My prediction is no.
Randy Bauer
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> "FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not
> be
> able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical
> Commission.
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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> Amazing that Beatriz Marinello says that we should be free of
> conflicts of interest, when she is the most conflicted person of all.
More than Billy G.? Please explain how someone who makes a living giving
lessons can use the USCF to further their career.
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"ESchember" <eschember@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041228082700.07763.00002656@mb-m01.aol.com...
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> Well, Sloan considers Beatriz Marinello the most conflicted person of all
> in
> USCF, but he doesn't say a thing about his friend Schultz's intentions to
> transfer USCF's assets to AF4C.
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> What's wrong with this picture?
Everybody knows Don's IBM pension doesn't go as far as it used to fifteen
years ago. Once the AF4C absorbs the USCF Don will be able to draw a
director's fee to supplement his meager pension.
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"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20041228125749.06541.00001943@mb-m24.news.cs.com...
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>< Well, this is my last communication for a while, since I am driving from
> Miami to New York to volunteer at the USCF office starting on January 3.
> Beatriz Marinello
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> "Morale in the office is at an all-time low.
That's not what I hear.
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