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Diagnosing the USCF (outline)
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| Sam Sloan 2004-12-28, 12:45 am |
| On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:19:59 GMT, "Randy Bauer"
<randybauer2300@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Never mind that the staff was NOT fired. The USCF is moving, and many of
>the staff, of their own volition, are choosing not to move with it. That is
>not a firing. Corporations pick up and move to lower cost areas all the
>time, and often the stockholders stand up and applaud. The point is that
>lower costs can benefit both members in a service organization and
>stockholders in a for profit corporation. Parr, the noted libertarian, here
>sounds more like a socialist.
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>Randy Bauer
There is a big problem with your analogy. The USCF does not have
stockholders. The USCF pays no taxes. If the USCF had paid taxes all
these years that it has been headquartered in New York State, it would
not have any money now. Most of the money the USCF has or had came
from the sale of chess computers in the 1980s.
By giving the USCF a tax break as a not-for-profit corporation, that
makes the State of New York the equivalent of the stockholder. Also,
the board members, including yourself, were not elected to manage the
corporation. You were elected to meet four times a year and determine
the policy of the corporation, and that it all. It has always been
that way. Never previously in the 65 years of existence of the USCF
has the board taken day-to-day working control of the affairs of the
corporation. So, what you are doing is illegal. I suggest that you
consult some lawbooks and enlighten yourself as to these matters.
Sam Sloan
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| Mike Nolan 2004-12-28, 12:45 am |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
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>Most of the money the USCF has or had came
>from the sale of chess computers in the 1980s.
Al Lawrence, who certainly knew something about the USCF's sales operations
in the 80's and 90's, says that chess computers were never as big an
item as many have claimed, nor as profitable on a gross margin basis as
some other lines of merchandise.
According to Al, the claim that that's where all the money came from
is erroneous and not supportable by the facts.
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Mike Nolan
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| Sam Sloan 2004-12-28, 6:46 am |
| On 28 Dec 2004 05:19:27 GMT, nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
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>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
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>Al Lawrence, who certainly knew something about the USCF's sales operations
>in the 80's and 90's, says that chess computers were never as big an
>item as many have claimed, nor as profitable on a gross margin basis as
>some other lines of merchandise.
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>According to Al, the claim that that's where all the money came from
>is erroneous and not supportable by the facts.
>--
>Mike Nolan
I am very interested to learn this.
Nevertheless, the LMA went from zero to two million dollars in the
1980s.
If not from the sale of chess computers, where did the money come
from?
Sam Sloan
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| Jürgen R. 2004-12-28, 6:46 am |
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[Sloanian nonsense...]
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> Also,
>the board members, including yourself, were not elected to manage the
>corporation. You were elected to meet four times a year and determine
>the policy of the corporation, and that it all. It has always been
>that way.
Sandwiched between his usual nonsense Sloan actually makes sense for
an instant... And then he continues babbling nonsense...
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> Never previously in the 65 years of existence of the USCF
>has the board taken day-to-day working control of the affairs of the
>corporation. So, what you are doing is illegal. I suggest that you
>consult some lawbooks and enlighten yourself as to these matters.
>
>Sam Sloan
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| "Jürgen R." <jurgenr@web.de> wrote in message
news:41d119af.2428491@news.individual.de...
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> Sandwiched between his usual nonsense Sloan actually makes sense for
> an instant... And then he continues babbling nonsense...
Juergen, as usual you pretend that you know US law better than US lawyers.
Myself I prefer to wait for the court`s sentence.
MfG
Jerzy
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