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| Sam Sloan 2004-12-21, 5:46 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:27 -0500, Hal Terrie
<halNOSPAMterrie@comcast.net> wrote:
quote:
> You are wrong. I very strongly support the move to Crossville.
>I think the "costly disaster" would have been the move to Liberty, NY.
>After reading the reports of Steve Shutt and Bill Goichberg (published
>on this forum) I couldn't understand how anyone could conclude
>otherwise. The Shutt report painted a bleak picture of a white
>elephant of a building that, as Tim Hanke wrote, we would not want to
>accept even for free. As for the Goichberg report, I found it entirely
>unconvincing - there were too many hidden assumptions underlying his
>analyses and he gave no sources for his various cost estimates.
>
> -- Hal Terrie
There are several very serious problems with the Shutt Report. You
seem to be an intelligent person. I am surprised that you cannot see
it.
Here are some examples:
1. The Shutt Report suggests that the employees are enthusiastic about
moving to Crossville and they regarded that moving to Crossville would
be "just like getting a big raise" because of the lower costs of
living in Crossville. I suspect that Judy Misner said that, because
she receives a relatively high salary. The Shutt Report was written in
2003. It has not been updated. At that time, it was believed that
about half of the USCF Staff would be willing to move to Crossville.
However, Frank Niro reported recently that when Beatriz fired 17 staff
members on August 20, 2003, almost all of the people she fired were
the ones who had expressed a willingness to move to Crossville.
2. Right now, only 2 staff members are definiitely commitrted to
moving to Crossville. Three or four others are considering it. At a
very maximum, only 6 staff members will be moving to Crossville. The
rest will have to be laid off and receive severence pay (after all
they have worked for an average of 7 years and so are entitled to
severence pay) and the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
3. The Shutt Report assumed that the USCF can build a new building in
Crossville of 4,000 square feet at a cost of $360,000. Again, this was
written more than one year ago. Costs are much higher now. The USCF
will need a minimim of 5000 square feet and that will cost $100 per
square feet plus we have to pay $60,000 for the architect. That comes
to $560,000 and meanwhile we just sold a building with 12,000 square
feet for $513,000. Where will we get the extra funds?
4. Hiring staff is not just a question of running an ad in the
newspapers. Getting good workers is a problem for every company. How
long will it take before we have a stable reliable staff? What will
the membership do when their memberships are not getting processed,
the tournaments are not rated and the magazine is not coming out. We
have already had these problems in New Windsor. It will obviously be
much worse in Crossville with entirely new staff.
5. The move to Crossville is really two moves. First we move from New
Windsor to an abandoned church in Crosville. Then, after one or two
years, we move from the church to the building that is supposed to be
built for us. Each move will cost money and time. By contrast, the
single move to Liberty would be much less costly. Perhaps more
importantly, we could move to Liberty piecemeal. For example, we could
move the magazine operations now, the tournament registration later,
completing the impove in a month or so, with the Executive Director
going back and forth as required. With the move to Crossville, we will
have to pull up stakes at once and move the whole thing and then,
since almost none of the staff will be moving, bring in and train new
people all at once.
6. The Shutt Report gives no consideration to the cost of the move.
Apparently, he thinks that the cost will be free or nominal. It
appears that Tim Hanke advocates throwing out all the old records
thereby reducing the cost of the move.
7. Liberty is close enough that almost all of our staff would remain.
The strongest point in favor of the move to Crossville is that we
would be able to get rid of our staff and start again fresh. Is this a
good reason for a move? Why not just gradually fire the staff that you
do not like?
Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children. I
believe that his business experience is limited. Do not you think it
would better to consult a professional in the field, instead of
relying on a purely amateur and not well-thought-out opnion?
Sam Sloan
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| Tom Lemming 2004-12-21, 5:46 pm |
| "Sam Sloan" < the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
quote:
> hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
>
Have any of you dumb XXXXing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
local newspapers and actually interviewing people? No wonder the USCF is in
bankruptcy if you are hiring clerks via an Employment Agency.
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| Mike Nolan 2004-12-22, 12:45 am |
| "Tom Lemming" <snl@dsl.com> writes:
quote:
>Have any of you dumb XXXXing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
>local newspapers and actually interviewing people? No wonder the USCF is in
>bankruptcy if you are hiring clerks via an Employment Agency.
Tom, Sam Sloan is not a USCF employee and has little understanding of
what the USCF staff does, much less any input into the hiring process
or the rest of the relocation plans. Much of what he writes is
speculation, at best, if not completely fabricated.
I have not heard of any plans to use an agency to hire the clerical
staff in Crossville, and since I'm part of the planning group for the
relocation, I would know of any such plans. They do plan to run ads in
the local papers, probably right after the first of the year.
But even before running an ad, they have already interviewed a number
of potential employees and have quite a few resumes from people who
appear to be highly qualified to work at the USCF and are excited at
the prospect of working for the USCF. I think it is quite possible
that the new combined membership/ratings department staff may
have an average rating of over 1500!
--
Mike Nolan
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| Jimmy Chung 2004-12-22, 12:45 am |
| "Mike Nolan" I think it is quite possible that the new combined
membership/ratings department staff may have an average rating of over 1500!
quote:
> --
It is good to hear from someone who is actually involved. Based on the
information that Sam and others have posted, it would seem that the money in
the bank is being siphoned out to the personal use of a vindictive demented
lesbian and her lover while the USCF signs bogus contracts.
The implication is that someone will soon be leaving the USA with $500K and
that the USCF's files and records will be adandoned in some storage lot
(under the best scenario) while the USCF will remain obligated to various
contracts that it cannot afford to fulfill.
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| StanB 2004-12-22, 12:45 am |
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children.
Sam Sloan is not a nice guy and he has no job.
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| StanB 2004-12-22, 12:45 am |
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"Tom Lemming" <snl@dsl.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "Sam Sloan" < the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
> Have any of you dumb XXXXing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
> local newspapers and actually interviewing people?
Talk about dumb, you really think we're going to an agency?
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| "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41c85e50.24178421@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> Sam Sloan is not a nice guy and he has no job.
Stan, obviously, you want to make a flame-war with Sam. I`m fed up with your
distorted and one-sided views.
Regards,
Jerzy
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"Jerzy" <jciruk@poczta.fm> wrote in message
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quote:
> Stan, obviously, you want to make a flame-war with Sam. I`m fed up with
> your
> distorted and one-sided views.
You have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn.
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| "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:
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> You have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn.
Stan, you claim that you don`t give a "damn" i.e. that you don`t care about
Sam but it`s clearly seen that you respond to nearly all his posts and, of
course, you disagree with them.
BTW I can see a kind of aggression in your responses to Sam although not so
big as in the case of Randy Bauer. However aggression is always caused by
one`s fears and weaknesses.
Regards,
Jerzy
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| Leopold 2004-12-22, 5:45 pm |
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:27 -0500, Hal Terrie
> <halNOSPAMterrie@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> There are several very serious problems with the Shutt Report. You
> seem to be an intelligent person. I am surprised that you cannot see
> it.
>
> Here are some examples:
>
> 1. The Shutt Report suggests that the employees are enthusiastic about
> moving to Crossville and they regarded that moving to Crossville would
> be "just like getting a big raise" because of the lower costs of
> living in Crossville. I suspect that Judy Misner said that, because
> she receives a relatively high salary. The Shutt Report was written in
> 2003. It has not been updated. At that time, it was believed that
> about half of the USCF Staff would be willing to move to Crossville.
> However, Frank Niro reported recently that when Beatriz fired 17 staff
> members on August 20, 2003, almost all of the people she fired were
> the ones who had expressed a willingness to move to Crossville.
>
> 2. Right now, only 2 staff members are definiitely commitrted to
> moving to Crossville. Three or four others are considering it. At a
> very maximum, only 6 staff members will be moving to Crossville. The
> rest will have to be laid off and receive severence pay (after all
> they have worked for an average of 7 years and so are entitled to
> severence pay) and the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
> hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
>
> 3. The Shutt Report assumed that the USCF can build a new building in
> Crossville of 4,000 square feet at a cost of $360,000. Again, this was
> written more than one year ago. Costs are much higher now. The USCF
> will need a minimim of 5000 square feet and that will cost $100 per
> square feet plus we have to pay $60,000 for the architect. That comes
> to $560,000 and meanwhile we just sold a building with 12,000 square
> feet for $513,000. Where will we get the extra funds?
>
> 4. Hiring staff is not just a question of running an ad in the
> newspapers. Getting good workers is a problem for every company. How
> long will it take before we have a stable reliable staff? What will
> the membership do when their memberships are not getting processed,
> the tournaments are not rated and the magazine is not coming out. We
> have already had these problems in New Windsor. It will obviously be
> much worse in Crossville with entirely new staff.
>
> 5. The move to Crossville is really two moves. First we move from New
> Windsor to an abandoned church in Crosville. Then, after one or two
> years, we move from the church to the building that is supposed to be
> built for us. Each move will cost money and time. By contrast, the
> single move to Liberty would be much less costly. Perhaps more
> importantly, we could move to Liberty piecemeal. For example, we could
> move the magazine operations now, the tournament registration later,
> completing the impove in a month or so, with the Executive Director
> going back and forth as required. With the move to Crossville, we will
> have to pull up stakes at once and move the whole thing and then,
> since almost none of the staff will be moving, bring in and train new
> people all at once.
>
> 6. The Shutt Report gives no consideration to the cost of the move.
> Apparently, he thinks that the cost will be free or nominal. It
> appears that Tim Hanke advocates throwing out all the old records
> thereby reducing the cost of the move.
>
> 7. Liberty is close enough that almost all of our staff would remain.
> The strongest point in favor of the move to Crossville is that we
> would be able to get rid of our staff and start again fresh. Is this a
> good reason for a move? Why not just gradually fire the staff that you
> do not like?
>
> Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children. I
> believe that his business experience is limited. Do not you think it
> would better to consult a professional in the field, instead of
> relying on a purely amateur and not well-thought-out opnion?
>
> Sam Sloan
I believe that if Sam's points prove fruitfull, then by the time the USCF
begins the move and then completes the move to crossville, I fear that there
will no longer be a USCF that will be operational.
Leopold
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| Chess One 2004-12-22, 5:45 pm |
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"nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I particularly wanted to respond to your post, because it exites several
very interesting aspects of the current situation. I should like you to note
in passing, that I respond to you even though you don't sign your name to
it, but because what you wrote has merit of its own.
quote:
> Let's see if I got this right.
>
> Stan- Owns his own business
> Owns a home
> Owns a car
> Has money in the bank
> Supports his family
> Volunteers his time and expertise to USCF
> Contributes to the Chess Trust
Yes. If I needed an accountant Stan Booz would be a dream candidate. I would
write immediately him a 'drop-dead' letter, and sign it. It would say, you
always have permission to say whatever you think about financial matters and
if I fire you for saying so I agree to give you $50,000. Stan speaks what he
knows directly, not caring if people will like him for saying so or not. As
before, he would be a dream-financial advisor for any business executive.
quote:
> Sam- Collecting on his wife's unemployment-upward career move
> Has no permanent address
I am going to slow down the speed of response here, in order to gain
context. My first note is to the effect that the same is true of the
President of USCF, no permanent address, and as a careerist, has failed in a
small business career...
Not only the President but the VP of finance also has no current job.
quote:
> Owns virtualy nothing
> Contributes nothing
This must be directly contradicted. Contributes many opinions and shares all
sorts of researches, perhaps more so than anyone else.
quote:
> Does not volunteer for anything except to be someone's butt boy
> messenger.
An unhappy metaphor in this case. Sam Sloan is the only person who I can
identify in this newsgroup who seems to be as entirely heterosexual as
myself, and we have both liked a lot of women!
I would also add something else, that this 'use' of Sam's reporting
enthusiasm by other people does not seem to particularly corrupt him. In
fact, and very much like Stan Booz, they both appear to value an
independence to freely speak their own minds, over any other factor.
quote:
> Calls a former president of the USCF and current LMA chair a
> wacko
We have observed 8 years of successive decline, and an organisation of some
$6M is now $3M, and some 10,000 of its members seem to have left it.
Certainly this cannot be the fault of only one person; but what to say about
thatt? Have their been a half-dozen wackos in the chair?
quote:
> Calls the current president of the USCF a bull dyke.
True. And is she? I couldn't care less. And this is a perhaps a coarse way
to speak of someone's sexual orientation, but the real criticism of such a
statement must be if it has any bearing on the job she does. I personally
don't think so, and have not understood the relevance of the comment to
management issues. If you intend a criticism on the same basis, I would
agree with you.
quote:
> Accuses the current president and the VP of Finance of possibly
> running off with federation funds because neither has a job and
> probably not much money.
"Possibly" is the crux of it. I know Tim better than Beatriz. It is absurd
for me to think he could do so, and neither, by brief association, do I
think she would abscond with funds. But possibly? Sure, it is possible that
2 unemployed people with half a million bucks under their sole signatures
could.
quote:
> Let's do the math and see who's opinion might be worth more.
math? smath!
The big question is what role is played by critics who do not hold office
and have nothing to gain in a financial sense from any result, in fact
expend funds to raise their point of view in a legal theatre. This is always
the tension in public discourse at-large, and the way the public deals with
it is usually to believe the Critic, rather than the Authority Figure, if
there is any dounbt to matters of fact, or about intentions to declare them.
On a vastly larger stage, and with almost infinitely more at stake, a
dishwasher introduced to the World the idea that ordinary people also have
lives and that their lives recorded the full spectrum of human
possibilities, not as we read before about only rich people who seemed to
posess lives of value - and by the scope of his writing, ordinary people
seemed tp possess rather more life than incumbents and the rich.
His name was Eric Blair, the novelist 'George Orwell', and he was an
egalitarian sort of man, no saint for sure, but his voice at length
outweighed every other authority in a world gone mad - a world that
permitted the certain accession of a Hitler in Europe, so we recognise it
now - and he always stood outside any establishment and became for us [at
least in England] 'the Wintry Conscience of a Generation.'
Such people do not expect to be liked, and are often treated like pariahs.
Nomatter if millions of people resent them they continue to speak, sometimes
entirely wrongly and inaccurately, but otherwise time has told that they are
were more right than those in the fold.
quote:
> The fact that Stan seems to have little patience for Sam's inanity
> neither negates the fact that Sam just keeps flinging it up against the
> wall to see what will stick and is being used by either a current board
> member or the current ED to muddy the waters on any number of issues
> nor the fact that Sam is a twit.
Twit; an English word ;)
Sam Sloan is no twit.
quote:
> I would tend to agree with Stan v. Sam anytime on any issue. Stan may
> not always be right but he always tells it straight.
I would entirely wish to agree with you about Stan over Sam at any time!
But perhaps I have caught some wintry perspective myself, and see that they
write about quite different aspects of affairs, and <lol> while I would
never even consider hiring Sam as an accountant, neither would I hire Stan
for his overall view of things.
They really engage quite different spheres of activity, the nitty-gritty of
financial reality juxtaposed with the big picture...of what its all about.
I welcome any further reply you choose to make, or if you think these views
insignificant and do not wish to reply, I thank you in any case for
providing a basis for my own response.
Cordially, Phil Innes
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| StanB 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
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"Jerzy" <jciruk@poczta.fm> wrote in message
news:cqcelk$oop$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
quote:
>
> Stan, you claim that you don`t give a "damn" i.e. that you don`t care
> about
> Sam but it`s clearly seen that you respond to nearly all his posts and, of
> course, you disagree with them.
No idiot, I don't give a damn if you're fed up.
quote:
> BTW I can see a kind of aggression in your responses to Sam although not
> so
> big as in the case of Randy Bauer. However aggression is always caused by
> one`s fears and weaknesses.
Well doctor sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and most times anger generates
aggression. I'm angry at all like you who applaud Sam's disgusting comments.
I fear nothing and my only weaknesses are cigars, 12 year old scotch, and
following this newsgroup.
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| StanB 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
| Your check is in the mail.
"nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103741591.190198.247840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
>
> Jerzy wrote:
> children.
> with your
>
> Let's see if I got this right.
>
> Stan- Owns his own business
> Owns a home
> Owns a car
> Has money in the bank
> Supports his family
> Volunteers his time and expertise to USCF
> Contributes to the Chess Trust
>
> Sam- Collecting on his wife's unemployment-upward career move
> Has no permanent address
> Owns virtualy nothing
> Contributes nothing
> Does not volunteer for anything except to be someone's butt boy
> messenger.
> Calls a former president of the USCF and current LMA chair a
> wacko
> Calls the current president of the USCF a bull dyke.
> Accuses the current president and the VP of Finance of possibly
> running off with federation funds because neither has a job and
> probably not much money.
>
> Let's do the math and see who's opinion might be worth more.
>
> The fact that Stan seems to have little patience for Sam's inanity
> neither negates the fact that Sam just keeps flinging it up against the
> wall to see what will stick and is being used by either a current board
> member or the current ED to muddy the waters on any number of issues
> nor the fact that Sam is a twit.
>
> I would tend to agree with Stan v. Sam anytime on any issue. Stan may
> not always be right but he always tells it straight.
>
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| Chess One 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
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"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Your check is in the mail.
There were these two chess players who went to the South Pole because they
were so bored with r.g.c.p. and they both came from Eastern Europe; one from
Poland and one from Czechoslovakia. They encountered a few planning
difficulties and soon ran out of food, so decided to attack two polar bears
with their bare hands, you know, a little karate and weird screaming to
pscyhe themselves up [doh!], and so attacked this couple, a male and
female.
In the event, they were both eaten by the bears.
The rescue party showed up and couldn't decide which Eastern European was in
each animal, until an intelligent penguin showed up and addressed them with
the comment:-
"The Czech is in the male."
Cordially, Neil
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| StanB 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
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"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> I am going to slow down the speed of response here, in order to gain
> context. My first note is to the effect that the same is true of the
> President of USCF, no permanent address, and as a careerist, has failed in
> a small business career...
Neither true.
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| StanB 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
| How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went north
for the winter.
"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Tznyd.2976$sh5.504@trndny08...
quote:
>
> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:FLednXrFZvH9nVfcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
>
>
> There were these two chess players who went to the South Pole because
> they were so bored with r.g.c.p. and they both came from Eastern Europe;
> one from Poland and one from Czechoslovakia. They encountered a few
> planning difficulties and soon ran out of food, so decided to attack two
> polar bears with their bare hands, you know, a little karate and weird
> screaming to pscyhe themselves up [doh!], and so attacked this couple, a
> male and female.
>
> In the event, they were both eaten by the bears.
>
> The rescue party showed up and couldn't decide which Eastern European was
> in each animal, until an intelligent penguin showed up and addressed them
> with the comment:-
>
> "The Czech is in the male."
>
> Cordially, Neil
>
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| Randy Bauer 2004-12-23, 12:45 am |
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"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> "nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103741591.190198.247840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I particularly wanted to respond to your post, because it exites several
> very interesting aspects of the current situation. I should like you to
> note in passing, that I respond to you even though you don't sign your
> name to it, but because what you wrote has merit of its own.
>
>
> Yes. If I needed an accountant Stan Booz would be a dream candidate. I
> would write immediately him a 'drop-dead' letter, and sign it. It would
> say, you always have permission to say whatever you think about financial
> matters and if I fire you for saying so I agree to give you $50,000. Stan
> speaks what he knows directly, not caring if people will like him for
> saying so or not. As before, he would be a dream-financial advisor for any
> business executive.
The point, of course, is that Stan does in fact generally speak on these
financial topics. I view him as a useful input on business financial
issues. I would not say the same about Sam Sloan, Larry Parr, Jerzy, or, I
must confess, you.
By the way, you could do me on all of the above except owns his own
business. Would it help that I own three cars? Two houses? Maybe they
balance others out.
quote:
>
>
> I am going to slow down the speed of response here, in order to gain
> context. My first note is to the effect that the same is true of the
> President of USCF, no permanent address, and as a careerist, has failed in
> a small business career...
That is not true. What do you base this on? Sam's assertions?
quote:
>
> Not only the President but the VP of finance also has no current job.
Beatriz has been employed for a long time. Again, what do you base this on?
Sam's assertions? Come on, Phil, you can do better than that.
quote:
>
(snip)
quote:
>
>
> We have observed 8 years of successive decline, and an organisation of
> some $6M is now $3M, and some 10,000 of its members seem to have left it.
> Certainly this cannot be the fault of only one person; but what to say
> about thatt? Have their been a half-dozen wackos in the chair?
So, Phil, are you saying that you agree that Leroy Dubeck is whacko, and the
fact of USCF losses in the last 8 years proves that? Come on, accept the
fact that Sloan is a loose cannon who says lots of things that are just
plain not true.
quote:
>
>
> True. And is she? I couldn't care less. And this is a perhaps a coarse way
> to speak of someone's sexual orientation, but the real criticism of such a
> statement must be if it has any bearing on the job she does. I personally
> don't think so, and have not understood the relevance of the comment to
> management issues. If you intend a criticism on the same basis, I would
> agree with you.
So, you're basically agreeing this was a bad statement. Just admit it and
go on.
quote:
>
>
> "Possibly" is the crux of it. I know Tim better than Beatriz. It is
> absurd for me to think he could do so, and neither, by brief association,
> do I think she would abscond with funds. But possibly? Sure, it is
> possible that 2 unemployed people with half a million bucks under their
> sole signatures could.
What do you believe, Phil? I mean really, truly believe. Do you believe in
these people or not? You are doing the "who knows" dance, and it isn't
attractive.
Here's my take: I know both Beatriz and Tim.. They are decent people who
got into the USCF because they want to help the organization. They have
contributed thousands of dollars of their own money to help it succeed.
They are honest and principled people, and there is nothing in their past
other than the twisted insinuations of a moral-less person to suggest any
different. Those who wish to make this charge into a "possibility" should
be ashamed of themselves. It is reprehensible.
Randy Bauer
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| Sam Sloan 2004-12-23, 6:45 am |
| On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:38:27 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
wrote:
quote:
>
>"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
>news:FLednXrFZvH9nVfcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
>
>
>There were these two chess players who went to the South Pole because they
>were so bored with r.g.c.p. and they both came from Eastern Europe; one from
>Poland and one from Czechoslovakia. They encountered a few planning
>difficulties and soon ran out of food, so decided to attack two polar bears
>with their bare hands, you know, a little karate and weird screaming to
>pscyhe themselves up [doh!], and so attacked this couple, a male and
>female.
>
>In the event, they were both eaten by the bears.
>
>The rescue party showed up and couldn't decide which Eastern European was in
>each animal, until an intelligent penguin showed up and addressed them with
>the comment:-
>
>"The Czech is in the male."
>
>Cordially, Neil
I have to admit that I liked that one.
Sam Sloan
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| Spam Scone 2004-12-23, 6:45 am |
|
Petrel wrote:
quote:
> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:QbadnaoT4Iiv61rcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
done[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> At the risk of sounding disingenuous, what information was leaked to
Sloan,
quote:
> and what was the harm?
Many ideas are tossed around in discussion. Most get tossed out. Tossed
out ideas take on a new life when fed to the useful idiot of the USCF
Old Guard, Sam Sloan.
I thought your position was that everything Slone
quote:
> writes is just made up. If there was never any plan for Marinello to
become
quote:
> a paid employee of the USCF, what information was there to leak? If
there
quote:
> was a plan (actually Tim Hanke wrote on this group a while back that
it was
quote:
> his idea), but the Board ultimately thought better of it, then what
was the
quote:
> harm? Or is it your position that the plan could have gone through
if the
quote:
> information hadn't been leaked to Sloan? But Don says that the
discussions
quote:
> here had no effect. But if the discussions here DID have effect and
helped
quote:
> the Board to come to the decision that they ultimately came to, then
> shouldn't Sloan be given a letter of commendation or something? I
don't
quote:
> understand the issue.
>
> petrel
The issue is that USCF and the EB shouldn't use a convicted felon and
disgusting pervert as a mouthpiece.
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| "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:
of[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> No idiot, I don't give a damn if you're fed up.
I can see that it`s easy to knock you out :-)
However, now I can admit that Sam Sloan is right, you do insult people :-)
And you folks, Randy Bauer and Stan Booz are the USCF officials what is
really laughable :-)
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>
by[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well doctor sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and most times anger
generates
quote:
> aggression. I'm angry at all like you who applaud Sam's disgusting
comments.
quote:
> I fear nothing and my only weaknesses are cigars, 12 year old scotch, and
> following this newsgroup.
So you are a drug addict but not a chess addict.
I`m sure that drug testing would exclude you from chess competition :-)
Regards,
Jerzy
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| Chess One 2004-12-23, 9:45 am |
|
"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
news:KJGdna2SG89Oi1fcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
quote:
> How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went
> north for the winter.
Wrongo, they were on VACATION!
Have an ice day, Phil
quote:
> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Tznyd.2976$sh5.504@trndny08...
>
>
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| "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41ca5f54.4265000@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:
>
> I have to admit that I liked that one.
>
Yes, a nice anecdote.
Regards,
Jerzy
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| Chess One 2004-12-23, 9:45 am |
|
"Randy Bauer" <randybauer2300@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dsqyd.620300$D%.54809@attbi_s51...
quote:
>
> The point, of course, is that Stan does in fact generally speak on these
> financial topics. I view him as a useful input on business financial
> issues. I would not say the same about Sam Sloan, Larry Parr, Jerzy, or,
> I must confess, you.
Good - you have clear judgement about financial finesse!
quote:
> By the way, you could do me on all of the above except owns his own
> business. Would it help that I own three cars? Two houses? Maybe they
> balance others out.
Anan?
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>
> That is not true. What do you base this on? Sam's assertions?
What is true? What does it matter whose assertions are considered? What are
your own?
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>
> Beatriz has been employed for a long time. Again, what do you base this
> on? Sam's assertions? Come on, Phil, you can do better than that.
You are responding Randy, now answering. If B has a job why don't you say
what it is? I do 'understand' that she has a side-line on pet-goods or
soemthing, which is run via the internet - but she also puts much work into
USCF affairs. Thereby she is maybe technically a part-time self-employed
person who generates some income for herself that way.
The point of the comment was not to demean anyone, the point was to ask why
employment qualifies ability to care about chess management.
quote:
> (snip)
>
> So, Phil, are you saying that you agree that Leroy Dubeck is whacko, and
> the fact of USCF losses in the last 8 years proves that?
To answer you in the same coin Randy, are you saying that nobody made any
mistakes at all, not even in losing $2Million, and that maybe the fairies
did it?
If I had some particular thing to write about Mr. Dubeck I would have done
so. I wanted to make quite the //opposite// point, that it seems to me that
USCF failures cannot all be laid at the feet of any one individual, and have
involved a series of people, all of whom have signally failed to do well.
This is not the usual ad-hominem means of disparaging specific people, but
is in fact a //Systemic// comment. To wit; is there something amiss about
the structure and role of affairs which has occasioned a succession of key
individuals at USCF to underperform, or utterly fail?
quote:
> Come on, accept the fact that Sloan is a loose cannon who says lots of
> things that are just plain not true.
Unlike.... 
I suppose one way not to get caught lying in public is to say nothing. Or in
'saying' something to include no factual information, datum, which could
later be contradicted or proved wrong.
Or to speak in riddles such as, 'there is no secret agenda' despite the fact
that there is a secret contract.
quote:
>
> So, you're basically agreeing this was a bad statement. Just admit it and
> go on.
I don't think it has the slightest relevance to these affairs. It is a
statement or even a speculation about someone's private life which has no
bearing on any public matter.
I do not see the value in raising these issues, whether the subject be
Beatriz or Sam. That's the point! It is 'obvious' to us that these sort of
talk is fallacious when we speak of B, but there has been a general silence
about some 200+ posts specualting on Sam's private affairs.
None of these stand in place of an actual discussion of the issues. <--- The
point
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>
> What do you believe, Phil? I mean really, truly believe.
I don't need to believe anything. I am making a statement of logic; the
proposition is 'could these named people take off with the money' and the
answers I made are (a) psychologically unlikely {IMO] and (b) in the sense
of being empowered to perform the proposition, 'yes'.
quote:
> Do you believe in these people or not? You are doing the "who knows"
> dance, and it isn't attractive.
At least I am not writing for effect. I'm a lousy brown-noser anyway
quote:
> Here's my take: I know both Beatriz and Tim.. They are decent people who
> got into the USCF because they want to help the organization. They have
> contributed thousands of dollars of their own money to help it succeed.
> They are honest and principled people, and there is nothing in their past
> other than the twisted insinuations of a moral-less person to suggest any
> different. Those who wish to make this charge into a "possibility" should
> be ashamed of themselves. It is reprehensible.
I don't trust saints - because I have read too much Dostoyevski and Orwell?
Neither do I think that the orientation of two well-intentioned people is
sufficient to take us forward. It takes the wealth of knowledge and
experience of an entire community of people to do that, and nothing I have
read here indicates much interest in engaging this intelligence; to the
contrary, it seems to be resented.
That, I propose to you, is also a noted character weakness of both named
persons above.
Phil Innes
quote:
> Randy Bauer
>
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| Chessdon 2004-12-23, 9:45 am |
| The tale should continue;
Below is the complete unedited story:
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>Your check is in the mail.
AND they listened to the penquin and cut the male polar open only to find the
Pole not the Czech which raises the question:
"What is learned from this story?"
What is learned is that one should never trust a penquin when he says the Czech
is in the male.
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| Chess One 2004-12-23, 9:45 am |
|
"Chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223081230.06574.00002230@mb-m15.aol.com...
quote:
> AND they listened to the penquin and cut the male polar open only to find
> the
> Pole not the Czech which raises the question:
> "What is learned from this story?"
....good grief... [!]
quote:
> What is learned is that one should never trust a penquin when he says the
> Czech
> is in the male.
fishing, go fishing! you have ruint my yoke! RUINT! RUINT IT!
why don't you share a florida joke or something of your own? something from
the joy-of-alzheimers
'the best thing about alzheimers is that you can hide your own
easter-eggs'
or join a yodelling club?
we are having merry freezing-rain here today. as a comparison with
crossville, kipling-city may be too rigorous an environment for you
burocrat-types, although, based on the evidence of contributors here, you
could as well move to the far-side of the moon
just don't bogart my jokes
phil
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"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ptyyd.8753$EL5.555@trndny09...
quote:
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> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:KJGdna2SG89Oi1fcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
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> Wrongo, they were on VACATION!
The following is my artistic rendition of two polar bears in a snow storm.
Neat huh?
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"nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, I don't follow chess.misc, and I have filtered Nick.
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| Chessdon wrote:
quote:
> The tale should continue;
> Below is the complete unedited story:
>
>
> AND they listened to the penquin and cut the male polar open
> only to find the Pole not the Czech which raises the question:
> "What is learned from this story?"
> What is learned is that one should never trust a penquin
> when he says the Czech is in the male.
Actually, the Slovak was in the male.
The south Pole had gone up to Gdansk. :-)
--Nick
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