Chess politics - Parr and Sloan's Silence is Deafening

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Parr and Sloan's Silence is Deafening

Randy Bauer

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

The USCF Executive Board met this weekend. Beatriz is still president. She is
not now or in the future a paid employee of the USCF. The financials look
reasonable, and we had a good discussion with the transition team. Things are
on course to keep operations functioning and move to Crossville. Cash crunches
are not on the horizon.

Larry Parr should not contemplate a career in prognostication. He's really,
really bad at it.

Randy Bauer

StanB

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

"Randy Bauer" <Randy_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> The USCF Executive Board met this weekend. Beatriz is still president.
> She is
> not now or in the future a paid employee of the USCF. The financials look
> reasonable, and we had a good discussion with the transition team. Things
> are
> on course to keep operations functioning and move to Crossville. Cash
> crunches
> are not on the horizon.

What about the person(s) leaking information to Sloan? Was anything done
about that?

Doctor SBD

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

quote:

>Larry Parr should not contemplate a career in prognostication. He's really,
>really bad at it.
>
>Randy Bauer

WTF is he good at, other than suffering from diarrhea of the keyboard?

SBD

Petrel

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> What about the person(s) leaking information to Sloan? Was anything done
> about that?

At the risk of sounding disingenuous, what information was leaked to Sloan,
and what was the harm? I thought your position was that everything Slone
writes is just made up. If there was never any plan for Marinello to become
a paid employee of the USCF, what information was there to leak? If there
was a plan (actually Tim Hanke wrote on this group a while back that it was
his idea), but the Board ultimately thought better of it, then what was the
harm? Or is it your position that the plan could have gone through if the
information hadn't been leaked to Sloan? But Don says that the discussions
here had no effect. But if the discussions here DID have effect and helped
the Board to come to the decision that they ultimately came to, then
shouldn't Sloan be given a letter of commendation or something? I don't
understand the issue.

petrel

Doom & Gloom Dave

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

Randy Bauer wrote:

quote:

> The USCF Executive Board met this weekend. Beatriz is still
> president. She is not now or in the future a paid employee of the
> USCF. The financials look reasonable, and we had a good discussion
> with the transition team. Things are on course to keep operations
> functioning and move to Crossville. Cash crunches are not on the
> horizon.
>

They are strangely absent.

Perhaps they are busy writing lengthy theses on the many problems with our
volunteer ED getting paid?

Or perhaps after 2 days they will reappear spewing new nonsense and
pretending their reams of messages and demands never happened because for
sure after 2 days we'll all have forgotten their histrionics.

How does one file an ethics complaint with the USCF?

Spam Scone

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

Petrel wrote:

quote:

> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:QbadnaoT4Iiv61rcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
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>
> At the risk of sounding disingenuous, what information was leaked to

Sloan,

quote:

> and what was the harm?

Many ideas are tossed around in discussion. Most get tossed out. Tossed
out ideas take on a new life when fed to the useful idiot of the USCF
Old Guard, Sam Sloan.

I thought your position was that everything Slone

quote:

> writes is just made up. If there was never any plan for Marinello to

become

quote:

> a paid employee of the USCF, what information was there to leak? If

there

quote:

> was a plan (actually Tim Hanke wrote on this group a while back that

it was

quote:

> his idea), but the Board ultimately thought better of it, then what

was the

quote:

> harm? Or is it your position that the plan could have gone through

if the

quote:

> information hadn't been leaked to Sloan? But Don says that the

discussions

quote:

> here had no effect. But if the discussions here DID have effect and

helped

quote:

> the Board to come to the decision that they ultimately came to, then
> shouldn't Sloan be given a letter of commendation or something? I

don't

quote:

> understand the issue.
>
> petrel

The issue is that USCF and the EB shouldn't use a convicted felon and
disgusting pervert as a mouthpiece.

StanB

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

"Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> At the risk of sounding disingenuous, what information was leaked to
> Sloan, and what was the harm? I thought your position was that everything
> Slone writes is just made up. If there was never any plan for Marinello
> to become a paid employee of the USCF, what information was there to leak?
> If there was a plan (actually Tim Hanke wrote on this group a while back
> that it was his idea), but the Board ultimately thought better of it, then
> what was the harm? Or is it your position that the plan could have gone
> through if the information hadn't been leaked to Sloan? But Don says that
> the discussions here had no effect. But if the discussions here DID have
> effect and helped the Board to come to the decision that they ultimately
> came to, then shouldn't Sloan be given a letter of commendation or
> something? I don't understand the issue.

Why do you put question marks after your declarative statements?

Petrel

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:fbLxd.1122$3X.847@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
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> Why do you put question marks after your declarative statements?

Why do you answer a question with a question? Hell, I don't even know why I
misspelled "Sloan" in the third line.

p

Parrthenon

2004-12-21, 12:46 am

Randy Bauer is actually too kind. I engaged in a little prognostication. It
didn't happen. At least, not yet.

I also predicted Beatriz Marinello would not resign unless a motion to hire
her to oversee the move was passed. Apparently there was no such motion made in
closed session, arguably because of the ruckus raised about conflict of
interest on this forum.

I believe we will soon hear about a shortfall in revenue (something that
has
already happened in the six-figure area) and the cash crunch will occur some
time within the first six months of 2005.

As for the upcoming cash crunch and the architect's fee, Don Schultz spoke of
great concern on this score. Randy Bauer speaks of nothing on the horizon. I
would ask whether the architect getting the $60,000 is a friend of Harry
Sabine?

Don Schultz says that although the discussions here and on other forums
had virtually no effect on our leaders, I would ask how many here buy that
line. Tim Hanke had already made the proposal, and Beatriz is now taking a
volunteer position just as Bill Goichberg did. That maneuver makes it easier
for the moment if the Board is not playing the game squarely.

My view is that Beatriz cannot receive a thank you bonus at the end of
the move. One assumes that she won't because she remains on the board.
Whatever the reason why the planned change did not occur and even assuming
that the heat got steaming for the Board, they deserve credit for not setting a
disastrous precedent.

One hopes that the Board will now play the game squarely. Beatriz
would be a fine candidate for the ED-ship after a decent interval off the
Board, and perhaps her performance during the move to Crossville will show her
capabilities in a favorable light.

If this move, assuming it occurs, proves to be a disaster, I will not
be pointing fingers at Beatriz and those involved because I agree with Don
Schultz's summary of the coming difficulties. Backbones are, unfortunately,
going to be broken in the coming months. No one will look good even though
many will have tried their level best. They will deserve our pity, though not
our thanks.

This move to Crossville remains a disastrous decision that represents
the checkerization of the USCF.

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Hal Terrie

2004-12-21, 6:46 am

On 21 Dec 2004 04:39:35 GMT, parrthenon@cs.com (Parrthenon) wrote:

[Snip]

quote:

>
> I believe we will soon hear about a shortfall in revenue (something that
>has already happened in the six-figure area) and the cash crunch will occur some
>time within the first six months of 2005.

You keep saying this but I would remind readers that this is
still only a rumor YOU started. In response to my question, you
admitted that you first mentioned it but claim that you did not just
make it up, as you have a real source - whom you will not reveal. Fair
enough but please stop writing as if this rumor is an established
fact, for example where you write that the cash crunch "is a given"
unless there are good Christmas sales. Until your source (if any) is
willing to go public, this is just speculation.

quote:

>
> As for the upcoming cash crunch and the architect's fee, Don Schultz spoke of
>great concern on this score. Randy Bauer speaks of nothing on the horizon.

I think it goes without saying that Randy Bauer has better
credentials for evaluating financial reports. So, unless he's lying to
us or someone else is lying to him, I don't see any reason to expect
this cash crunch you anticipate. I'll take a direct statement from an
honorable person in a position to know over your rumors any day.

You know, I wouldn't be quite so irritated by this
rumor-mongering of yours if I didn't get the sense from your posts
that somehow, you WANT more misfortune to befall USCF - to punish the
EB for making a decision you can't stand.

-- Hal Terrie

Fifiela

2004-12-21, 6:46 am

<<<What about the person(s) leaking information to Sloan? Was anything done
about that?>>>

How much of a crime is leaking false information?

Parrthenon

2004-12-21, 6:46 am

< You know, I wouldn't be quite so irritated by this rumor-mongering of yours
if I didn't get the sense from your posts that somehow, you WANT more
misfortune to befall USCF -- to punish the EB for making a decision you can't
stand. > -- Hal Terrie

Since we are ascribing personal motives, I will give my opinion about
what lies behind Mr. Terrie's effusion. I don't think his pique has anything to
do with his false reading of my motives. He has chafed under the attacks
levelled against his anti-Ethics Committee.

Moreover, Mr. Terrie HIMSELF seems to recognize the point when he says
that I "somehow" want more misfortune to befall the USCF. The point behind the
word somehow" is that on the face of it his charge is all wet.

Moving the USCF to Crossville is a costly disaster. Doing what we can to stop
this move is the one hope of keeping the USCF close to the center of vital
economic and media activity in this country. I could be wrong but suspect that
Mr. Terrie also thinks so.
________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

StanB

2004-12-21, 9:45 am

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quote:

>
> I think it goes without saying that Randy Bauer has better
> credentials for evaluating financial reports. So, unless he's lying to
> us or someone else is lying to him, I don't see any reason to expect
> this cash crunch you anticipate. I'll take a direct statement from an
> honorable person in a position to know over your rumors any day.

Yes but has Randy ever graphed it?

StanB

2004-12-21, 9:45 am

"Fifiela" <fifiela@aol.comNOTHERE> wrote in message
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quote:

> <<<What about the person(s) leaking information to Sloan? Was anything
> done
> about that?>>>
>
> How much of a crime is leaking false information?

Okay then, did the board vote to censure him?

StanB

2004-12-21, 9:45 am

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quote:

>< You know, I wouldn't be quite so irritated by this rumor-mongering of
>yours
> if I didn't get the sense from your posts that somehow, you WANT more
> misfortune to befall USCF -- to punish the EB for making a decision you
> can't
> stand. > -- Hal Terrie
>
> Since we are ascribing personal motives, I will give my opinion
> about
> what lies behind Mr. Terrie's effusion. I don't think his pique has
> anything to
> do with his false reading of my motives. He has chafed under the attacks
> levelled against his anti-Ethics Committee.

Nice spin.

quote:

> Moving the USCF to Crossville is a costly disaster. Doing what we can to
> stop
> this move is the one hope of keeping the USCF close to the center of vital
> economic and media activity in this country. I could be wrong but suspect
> that
> Mr. Terrie also thinks so.

The problem with staying in NY is the problem of the employees being subject
to Billy G.'s power, influence, and intimidation. We must get out of his
sphere of influence. The USCF is a membership organization dedicated to the
members. Its mission should not be to support and assist Billy G.'s business
enterprise. That's why it is called the USCF and not the CCA.

New Windsor is hardy an economic center. The costs of being in NY far
outweigh any perceived benefits. As to a media center, that might mean
something if our stories were timely published. The three month lag time
gives scant reason to be in NY. No, headquarters can find adequate data
entry folks in Tennessee. As to the rag, I'm not against keeping it in NY.
More out-of-work stringers there.

Hal Terrie

2004-12-21, 5:46 pm

On 21 Dec 2004 09:32:10 GMT, parrthenon@cs.com (Parrthenon) wrote:

[snip]

quote:

> Since we are ascribing personal motives, I will give my opinion about
>what lies behind Mr. Terrie's effusion. I don't think his pique has anything to
>do with his false reading of my motives. He has chafed under the attacks
>levelled against his anti-Ethics Committee.

You're wrong about that. If memory serves, your latest slap at
the Ethics Committee has to do with secrecy - specifically the policy
of not revealing the voters names in case decisions. I agree with you
about that.

While I think that the internal communications of the Ethics
Committee should remain confidential, I have long favored revealing
not only vote counts (as is current practice) but also the names of
voters. I have never been concerned about everyone knowing how I vote.
However, the last time the Committee visited this issue, my position
did not prevail. I am hopeful that in time the other members of the
Committee will come to agree with me.

I have served on the Committee since 1996 and in that time, I
have seen the rules liberalized considerably. In 1996, it was common
practice for the Chair to pre-screen cases with the office, sometimes
deciding to toss them out without any other Committee members seeing
them at all. Beginning in 1997 and continuing through 1999, a series
of reforms were adopted, including:

1. A formal jurisdiction phase, during which the entire committee
examines complaints and then votes on whether to accept them.

2. A four-step investigation phase, during which each party to the
case gets two opportunities to submit statements.

3. Adoption of formal voting procedures on jurisdiction, substance and
even the text of decision letters. The vote counts on all three are
revealed in the decision letter. However, the Committee decided not to
reveal names of voters.

4. An informal convention that a new Chair must be elected each year.

So, I think there has been a great deal of progress. I will do
what I can to persuade the other members of the Committee that they
have nothing to fear by having their votes known.

[snip]

quote:

>Moving the USCF to Crossville is a costly disaster. Doing what we can to stop
>this move is the one hope of keeping the USCF close to the center of vital
>economic and media activity in this country. I could be wrong but suspect that
>Mr. Terrie also thinks so.

You are wrong. I very strongly support the move to Crossville.
I think the "costly disaster" would have been the move to Liberty, NY.
After reading the reports of Steve Shutt and Bill Goichberg (published
on this forum) I couldn't understand how anyone could conclude
otherwise. The Shutt report painted a bleak picture of a white
elephant of a building that, as Tim Hanke wrote, we would not want to
accept even for free. As for the Goichberg report, I found it entirely
unconvincing - there were too many hidden assumptions underlying his
analyses and he gave no sources for his various cost estimates.

I may well be wrong about your motives in all of this. All I
can say is that I get a very uneasy feeling when reading your various
posts, that you are challenging this move a little too vigorously,
that you are going beyond the bounds of normal debate to seek any way
at all to prevent the move - even if it means resorting to the use of
rumor and innuendo.

-- Hal Terrie

HAASpittle

2004-12-21, 5:46 pm

Don't worry about a thang down in Crossville.
Already lined up and ready to work are SallyMae Suggins, BessieMae Suggins,
JuanitaMae Suggins, FloweenaMae Suggins, LucyMae Suggins, JudyMae Suggins,
VickyMae Suggins, PetuniaMae Suggins, as well as Sally Goodin and Old Joe
Clark.
Old Joe Clark has a mule, his name is Oscar Brown. Every tooth in that
mule's head is 15 inches round.
To celebrate the arrival of the USCF and its top officials, Crossville will
run the Wabash Cannonball from Nashville eastward and the Wreck of Old '97 from
Knoxville westward into Crossville.. on the same track. A big bash is planned
immediately upon the arrival of the two storied engines.

Old Haasie

Parrthenon

2004-12-22, 12:45 am

< I may well be wrong about your motives in all of this. All I can say is that
I get a very uneasy feeling when reading your various
posts, that you are challenging this move a little too vigorously, that you are
going beyond the bounds of normal debate to seek any way at all to prevent the
move - even if it means resorting to the use of rumor and innuendo.> -- Hal
Terrie, a member of the USCF Ethics Committee

My point was that his acription of the stated motives to me made no sense
on its face.

As for opposing this move too vigorously, there is only one chance ever
to oppose the checkerization of chess. Right now. If these people get their
way, chess leaves the center of chess and goes somewhere near the Cumberland
Gap.

I am hoping that another lawsuit is in the making against this move and
that I will have something to report on the matter soon.

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Sam Sloan

2004-12-22, 12:45 am

On 22 Dec 2004 02:32:00 GMT, parrthenon@cs.com (Parrthenon) wrote:

quote:

> I am hoping that another lawsuit is in the making against this move and
>that I will have something to report on the matter soon.

I am hoping that you have some concrete information and are not just
hoping that I will file a second lawsuit.

Sam Sloan

Parrthenon

2004-12-22, 6:46 am

< The problem with staying in NY is the problem of the employees being subject
to Billy G.'s power, influence, and intimidation. We must get out of his sphere
of influence.> -- Stan Booz

Right, so then: Bill Goichberg does not stay on as ED unless he divests
himself of his CCA business. You don't move the USCF to avoid Goichberg; you
move Goichberg (out) if he will not play ball on conflict of interest issues.

If Goichberg were to divest, then he would be my pick for the job of ED.
If he will not, then he would have to be fired or not hired.

The issue of location is not, quite obviously, New Windsor proper. It
is the proximity of New Windsor to that great emporium of media, goods, chess
men and everything else known as New York City.

< No, headquarters can find adequate data entry folks in Tennessee. As to the
rag, I'm not against keeping it in NY. More out-of-work stringers there.> --
Stan Booz

It's always amazing how someone who claims to be an expert on accounting
can be so consistently wrong about USCF affairs.

You cannot separate the magazine from the photo morgue or the library. Or
the staff, in my view. You must the editor haranguing the people around him
because otherwise they're just not motivated.

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Doctor SBD

2004-12-22, 6:46 am

>You must the editor haranguing the people around him

quote:

>because otherwise they're just not motivated.

This is the same "editor and writer" who bitched about my use of syntax?

I would also note that "haranguing" people has not been recognized as an
effective way to manage people in some years. Was Liarry's motto as CL editor,
"The beatings will continue until morale improves"?

SBD

Chess One

2004-12-22, 6:46 am

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quote:

>
> You cannot separate the magazine from the photo morgue or the library.
> Or
> the staff, in my view. You must the editor haranguing the people around
> him
> because otherwise they're just not motivated.

I agree with Stan Booz on process. Think Digital, and archive it.
Telecommuting costs the org no-money, and certainly not money for new
construction and a $60k architect. The relevance to proximity to a good
chess library is moot, since the current editor seems to eshew it.

I agree with Larry Parr that the environs of New York City are necessary to
take the pulse of the nation's chess activity - unless of course, there is
no interest at USCF of making itself relevant to that activity.

Phil Innes

________________________________________________________________

quote:

> "FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not
> be
> able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical
> Commission.

Spam Scone

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

Chess One wrote:

quote:

>
> I agree with Larry Parr that the environs of New York City are

necessary to

quote:

> take the pulse of the nation's chess activity - unless of course,

there is

quote:

> no interest at USCF of making itself relevant to that activity.

This explains why Chess Life writers such as Larry Evans, Alex Dunne,
Jerry Hanken, John Donaldson, Jeremy Silman, Ira Riddle, etc, all live
in New York City.

Chess One

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

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quote:

>
> Chess One wrote:
> necessary to
> there is
>
> This explains why Chess Life writers such as Larry Evans, Alex Dunne,
> Jerry Hanken, John Donaldson, Jeremy Silman, Ira Riddle, etc, all live
> in New York City.

I am not addressing the house-organ CL, but chess activity itself. CL is a
magazine for the average member, who has an average rating of what? 1000?

Speaking only of CL, it doesn't matter where the writers are, the editor
needs to be connected with the flow of events in the chess community.

Chess 'organisers' at the national level might also benefit from that
activity, unless, as I say above, they do not see that as relevant to USCF.

Phil

StanB

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

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quote:

> If Goichberg were to divest, then he would be my pick for the job of
> ED.
> If he will not, then he would have to be fired or not hired.

Why? He has no experience in managing workgroups. His relations with the
board prove this,

quote:

> You cannot separate the magazine from the photo morgue or the library.
> Or
> the staff, in my view. You must the editor haranguing the people around
> him
> because otherwise they're just not motivated.

I didn't say the morgue should be in Tennessee. You implied those words in
my mouth. Anywhere the editorial offices end up is where the editorial
resources should end up. BTW "You must the editor haranguing" doesn't look
right. Shall I debate your statement based on the poor grammar?

StanB

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

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quote:

>
> Chess One wrote:
> necessary to
> there is
>
> This explains why Chess Life writers such as Larry Evans, Alex Dunne,
> Jerry Hanken, John Donaldson, Jeremy Silman, Ira Riddle, etc, all live
> in New York City.

They don't live in NY. Evans lives in Reno. He writes a chess trivia column
where he responds to questions by such chess luminaries as Jude Acer, Sam
Sloan, and Bill Goichberg. I'm reminded of the lyrics of that old Elvis
song..."Yesterday is all you've done."

GrantPerks

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

>> This explains why Chess Life writers such as Larry Evans, Alex Dunne,

quote:

>
>They don't live in NY. Evans lives in Reno. He writes a chess trivia column
>where he responds to questions by such chess luminaries as Jude Acer, Sam
>Sloan, and Bill Goichberg. I'm reminded of the lyrics of that old Elvis
>song..."Yesterday is all you've done."

Hmmm, I thought he left out Susan Polgar and Paul Truong because they do live
in NYC.

Grant

Parrthenon

2004-12-22, 9:45 am

>> This explains why Chess Life writers such as Larry Evans, Alex Dunne, Jerry
Hanken, John Donaldson, Jeremy Silman, Ira Riddle, etc, all live in New York
City. >> Stan Booz

Jeremy Silman stopped writing for Chess Life years ago when the USCF
wouldn't take a strong stand against FIDE's drug testing.
________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

HAASpittle

2004-12-22, 5:45 pm

"I agree with Larry Parr that the environs of New York City are necessary to
take the pulse of the nation's chess activity - unless of course, there is no
interest at USCF of making itself relevant to that activity."
(Phil Innes)
=============
What pulse? Chess in NYC is no big deal these days,... a few dives and only
a rare tournament now and then.

Old Haasie

Miriling

2004-12-22, 5:45 pm

>Subject: Re: Parr and Sloan's Silence is Deafening

quote:

>On 22 December 2004 haaspittle@aol.com (HAASpittle) replied in
>Message-id: <20041222101936.12288.00002475@mb-m28.aol.com>
>
>
>=============
> What pulse? Chess in NYC is no big deal these days,... a few dives and
>only
>a rare tournament now and then.
>
>Old Haasie
>
>
>Where have you been? NYC, in my opinion, is still the chess capital of the

country. There's more rated chess played in the Big Apple on a daily basis than
anywhere else in the nation. With activity at the Marshall Chess Club and the
Polgar Chess Center, to name a few, NYC attracts players from the immediate
metropolitan area and beyond. New York State, as a whole, is a hotbed of
activity and has more TLAs in Chess Life each month than any other state,
including your beloved Florida.

George Mirijanian

quote:

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>
>

Chess One

2004-12-22, 5:45 pm

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quote:

> "I agree with Larry Parr that the environs of New York City are necessary
> to
> take the pulse of the nation's chess activity - unless of course, there is
> no
> interest at USCF of making itself relevant to that activity."
> (Phil Innes)
> =============
> What pulse? Chess in NYC is no big deal these days,... a few dives and
> only
> a rare tournament now and then.

And a pretty good regular masters tournament thanks to Fernandez and
Shahade, and lots of scholastic support - but I mean, the patient may not be
in great health, but is not dead yet, even if the pulse is fainter than the
sound of dogs barking on the moon.

Removing Trophy HQ to the back country will not exactly improve things, and
if there really is any life left in the old dog, will snuff it to the point
of irrelevancy.

quote:

> Old Haasie

HAA: azure. The word occurs in the 'Anturs of Arther' p. 1. Perhaps from the
same Saxon root~ as the German? A HASARDOUR; is a gamester, hence
/hasardrie/ gaming. /Nominale MS.

Phil

nbreit

2004-12-22, 5:45 pm

Jerzy wrote:

quote:

> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:iOmdnYd2APD_T1XcRVn-gA@comcast.com...
children.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Stan, obviously, you want to make a flame-war with Sam. I`m fed up

with your

quote:

> distorted and one-sided views.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerzy

Let's see if I got this right.

Stan- Owns his own business
Owns a home
Owns a car
Has money in the bank
Supports his family
Volunteers his time and expertise to USCF
Contributes to the Chess Trust

Sam- Collecting on his wife's unemployment-upward career move
Has no permanent address
Owns virtualy nothing
Contributes nothing
Does not volunteer for anything except to be someone's butt boy
messenger.
Calls a former president of the USCF and current LMA chair a
wacko
Calls the current president of the USCF a bull dyke.
Accuses the current president and the VP of Finance of possibly
running off with federation funds because neither has a job and
probably not much money.

Let's do the math and see who's opinion might be worth more.

The fact that Stan seems to have little patience for Sam's inanity
neither negates the fact that Sam just keeps flinging it up against the
wall to see what will stick and is being used by either a current board
member or the current ED to muddy the waters on any number of issues
nor the fact that Sam is a twit.

I would tend to agree with Stan v. Sam anytime on any issue. Stan may
not always be right but he always tells it straight.

Nick

2004-12-23, 12:45 am

nbreit wrote (to Jerzy Ciruk):

quote:

> Jerzy Ciruk wrote (to Stan Booz):
>
> Let's see if I got this right.
>
> Stan- Owns his own business
> Owns a home
> Owns a car
> Has money in the bank
> Supports his family
> Volunteers his time and expertise to USCF
> Contributes to the Chess Trust
>
> Sam- Collecting on his wife's unemployment-upward career move
> Has no permanent address
> Owns virtualy nothing
> Contributes nothing
> Does not volunteer for anything except to be someone's
> butt boy messenger.
> Calls a former president of the USCF and current
> LMA chair a wacko
> Calls the current president of the USCF a bull dyke.
> Accuses the current president and the VP of Finance of
> possibly running off with federation funds because neither
> has a job and probably not much money.
>
> Let's do the math and see who's opinion might be worth more.

Nbreit's favourite subject in school might have been
mathematics; evidently, it was not English. :-)

Given most of the contents of the lists above, nbreit
seems to be implying that Stan Booz's opinion *on every
subject* always must be 'worth more' (an appropriate
choice of phrase) than Sam Sloan's *because* Stan Booz's
worth more *financially* than Sam Sloan.

But the *comparative value* of their opinions depends
on the subject. Stan Booz's opinion should be worth
more in discussing accounting because he's a professional
accountant and Sam Sloan is not. Sam Sloan's opinion
should be worth more in discussing chess analysis
because he's higher rated (USCF 1931) than Stan Booz
(USCF 1672) (as of today).

I prefer to evaluate the worth of someone's opinion here
according to how well one writes and the extent to which
one can cite evidence and use rational arguments to support
one's position, *not* just by checking one's bank account.

I am *not* saying, of course, that I would approve of
how Sam Sloan chooses to lead his personal life, but
I tend to doubt that it's very relevant to what he
writes in the chess newsgroups. For the record,
I have sometimes criticised what Sam Sloan has
written in the chess newsgroups.

quote:

> I would tend to agree with Stan v. Sam anytime on any issue.

Stan Booz seems to have found another 'disciple'. :-)

quote:

> Stan may not always be right but he always tells it straight.

Apart from the many times that Stan Booz has lied,
for which the evidence has been cited by me and some
other writers in the chess newsgroups.

For example, in the RGCP thread, "Bill posted this
on chess.misc" (3 April 2004), Greenmantle wrote to
Stan Booz about Mr Booz's 'reprehensible slander' of me:

"This is a reprehensible slander, Mr Booz, Nick did not
write the above and everyone, including you, know it.
An apology is in order."
--Greenmantle (3 April 2004, writing to Stan Booz)
Stan Booz never has made any apology to me.

--Nick

StanB

2004-12-23, 12:45 am

"Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20041222094353.14386.00002068@mb-m13.news.cs.com...

quote:

> Hanken, John Donaldson, Jeremy Silman, Ira Riddle, etc, all live in New
> York
> City. >> Stan Booz

I didn't write the above. It is appalling when you spin my words but please
don't stoop to attributing other quotes to me.

Spam Scone

2004-12-23, 12:45 am

StanB wrote:

quote:

> How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went

north

quote:

> for the winter.

I knew that.

The real Neil, not the phony phil one.

Spam Scone

2004-12-23, 12:45 am

Chess One wrote:

quote:

> "Spam Scone" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103716654.679515.255380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dunne,[vbcol=seagreen]
live[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I am not addressing the house-organ CL, but chess activity itself.

Well, all those CL writers who live in NYC, such as Hanken, Dunne,
Riddle, Donaldson, Silman, Evans, et al, they can cover the important
US chess activity like the AF4C US Championship, the US Amateur, the
Amateur Team tournaments, World Open, state championships, FIDE
tournaments like the ones at the Mechanics' Institute, USCF and state
scholastics, US Open, US Junior, US Senior, and United States
Correspondence Chess Championship. After all, aren't these all held in
New York City? It would be silly to have someone from outside NYC cover
them.

Parrthenon

2004-12-23, 12:45 am

FRANKLY MY DEAR....

quote:

>You have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn.> -- Stan Booz

<Stan, you claim that you don`t give a "damn" i.e. that you don`t care about
Sam but it`s clearly seen that you respond to nearly all his posts and, of
course, you disagree with them.> -- Jerzy

Stan Booz does give a damn. Otherwise, as Jerzy rightly notes, he
would just opt out.

So what kind of "damn" does Mr. Booz give? He gives this much damn:
He loathes Sam Sloan in spirit and in policy and can't keep his big trap shut.
He may at times want to, but he can't.

He loathes Bill Goichberg in spirit and in policy and can't keep his
big trap shut. He may at times want to, but he can't.

Hence, he should have written: "Frankly, my dear Jerzy, I do give a damn."

________________________________________________________________
"FIDE has made its decision. Players who refuse to be drug tested will not be
able to play chess." -- Dr. Press, co-founder of the FIDE Medical Commission.

Chess One

2004-12-23, 9:45 am

quote:

>
> Well, all those CL writers who live in NYC, such as Hanken, Dunne,
> Riddle, Donaldson, Silman, Evans, et al, they can cover the important
> US chess activity like the AF4C US Championship, the US Amateur, the
> Amateur Team tournaments, World Open, state championships, FIDE
> tournaments like the ones at the Mechanics' Institute, USCF and state
> scholastics, US Open, US Junior, US Senior, and United States
> Correspondence Chess Championship. After all, aren't these all held in
> New York City? It would be silly to have someone from outside NYC cover
> them.

Agree.

I think the main thrust of this argument is that NY City is the main locus
for chess activity on the east coast, and perhaps overall in the US, and it
contains most organisers, journalists and players.

Thereby, what value is there in being immersed in this atmosphere? If it is
not much currently reflected in USCF's activities, then the answer may be
'none'.

On the world stage we can see what happens when chess politicos remove
themselves from the natural orbits of the playing community, and thereby the
second question might be, 'to what degree is it valuable to remove the HQ to
a remoter location, outside the Urbis and Orbis of the mainline chess
community?'

Cordially, Phil

nbreit

2004-12-23, 5:45 pm

You obviously are a stickler for detail, the point was not how much
Stan or Sam has, it is the fact that one is more responsible and
reliable than the other. Stan is a functioning member of society while
Sam lives off the droppings of others. It's that simple. I never
judge a person by what they have but rather by what they have earned
(not $). It is entirely possible that Stan has stretched the truth, I
certainly do not know all the facts behind each of his statements, but
he has been straight with those things that knwo about.

Thank you for pointing out that my english skills can be somewhat
lacking. I was not aware that perfect english was a requirement for
posting on this newsgroup. I will try to improve in the future.

Nat B.
Nick wrote:

quote:

> nbreit wrote (to Jerzy Ciruk):
>
> Nbreit's favourite subject in school might have been
> mathematics; evidently, it was not English. :-)
>
> Given most of the contents of the lists above, nbreit
> seems to be implying that Stan Booz's opinion *on every
> subject* always must be 'worth more' (an appropriate
> choice of phrase) than Sam Sloan's *because* Stan Booz's
> worth more *financially* than Sam Sloan.
>
> But the *comparative value* of their opinions depends
> on the subject. Stan Booz's opinion should be worth
> more in discussing accounting because he's a professional
> accountant and Sam Sloan is not. Sam Sloan's opinion
> should be worth more in discussing chess analysis
> because he's higher rated (USCF 1931) than Stan Booz
> (USCF 1672) (as of today).
>
> I prefer to evaluate the worth of someone's opinion here
> according to how well one writes and the extent to which
> one can cite evidence and use rational arguments to support
> one's position, *not* just by checking one's bank account.
>
> I am *not* saying, of course, that I would approve of
> how Sam Sloan chooses to lead his personal life, but
> I tend to doubt that it's very relevant to what he
> writes in the chess newsgroups. For the record,
> I have sometimes criticised what Sam Sloan has
> written in the chess newsgroups.
>
>
> Stan Booz seems to have found another 'disciple'. :-)
>
>
> Apart from the many times that Stan Booz has lied,
> for which the evidence has been cited by me and some
> other writers in the chess newsgroups.
>
> For example, in the RGCP thread, "Bill posted this
> on chess.misc" (3 April 2004), Greenmantle wrote to
> Stan Booz about Mr Booz's 'reprehensible slander' of me:
>
> "This is a reprehensible slander, Mr Booz, Nick did not
> write the above and everyone, including you, know it.
> An apology is in order."
> --Greenmantle (3 April 2004, writing to Stan Booz)
> Stan Booz never has made any apology to me.
>
> --Nick

Bill Smythe

2004-12-23, 5:45 pm

"Hal Terrie" wrote:

quote:

> .... 3. Adoption of formal voting procedures on jurisdiction, substance

and

quote:

> even the text of decision letters. The vote counts on all three are
> revealed in the decision letter. However, the Committee decided not to
> reveal names of voters. ....

Slight clarification:

As I recall, the committee DID vote to reveal the names of any who recused
themselves.

Bill Smythe

StanB

2004-12-23, 5:45 pm

"Petrel" <petrelet@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fbLxd.1122$3X.847@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...

quote:

> At the risk of sounding disingenuous, what information was leaked to
> Sloan, and what was the harm? I thought your position was that everything
> Slone writes is just made up. If there was never any plan for Marinello
> to become a paid employee of the USCF, what information was there to leak?
> If there was a plan (actually Tim Hanke wrote on this group a while back
> that it was his idea), but the Board ultimately thought better of it, then
> what was the harm? Or is it your position that the plan could have gone
> through if the information hadn't been leaked to Sloan? But Don says that
> the discussions here had no effect. But if the discussions here DID have
> effect and helped the Board to come to the decision that they ultimately
> came to, then shouldn't Sloan be given a letter of commendation or
> something? I don't understand the issue.

Why do you put question marks after your declarative statements?

Hal Terrie

2004-12-23, 5:45 pm

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:38:12 -0600, "Bill Smythe"
<chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote:

quote:

>"Hal Terrie" wrote:
>and
>
>Slight clarification:
>
>As I recall, the committee DID vote to reveal the names of any who recused
>themselves.
>
>Bill Smythe
>
>

Yes, that's correct. My mistake.

-- Hal Terrie

Spam Scone

2004-12-24, 12:45 am

Chess One wrote:

quote:

important[vbcol=seagreen]
the[vbcol=seagreen]
state[vbcol=seagreen]
in[vbcol=seagreen]
cover[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Agree.
>
> I think the main thrust of this argument is that NY City is the main

locus

quote:

> for chess activity on the east coast, and perhaps overall in the US,

and it

quote:

> contains most organisers, journalists and players.

And they are all required to calculate ratings, maintain the website,
answer the phone, etc.

quote:

> Thereby, what value is there in being immersed in this atmosphere? If

it is

quote:

> not much currently reflected in USCF's activities, then the answer

may be

quote:

> 'none'.

Or close to none.

quote:

> On the world stage we can see what happens when chess politicos

remove

quote:

> themselves from the natural orbits of the playing community,

Examples?

and thereby the

quote:

> second question might be, 'to what degree is it valuable to remove

the HQ to

quote:

> a remoter location, outside the Urbis and Orbis of the mainline chess

quote:

> community?'

Just move it far enough away that ChessDon and his ilk can't find it.

Nick

2004-12-24, 12:45 am

nbreit wrote:

quote:

> You obviously are a stickler for detail, the point was not how much
> Stan or Sam has, it is the fact that one is more responsible and
> reliable than the other. Stan is a functioning member of society
> while Sam lives off the droppings of others. It's that simple.

Nbreit, I can agree with what you wrote about 'Stan is a functioning
member of society...', but it seems to me that does *not* justify
your apparent conclusion (Nbreit wrote: "I would tend to agree with
Stan v. Sam *anytime on any issue*.) that Stan Booz *must* be
right in *every* dispute with Sam Sloan. Again, it depends on
what subject's being disputed between Stan Booz and Sam Sloan.

For example, there was a dispute in the thread, 'My Experience with
Native Americans' on 22 December 2003 between Stan Booz and Sam Sloan
about the origins of the people on Easter Island. Stan Booz had
asserted that the Easter Islanders had originally come from South
America, "as proven by Thor Heyderthal (sp)" (to quote Stan Booz).
Sam Sloan wrote, correctly in this case, that Stan Booz's opinion
was wrong, and that Thor Heyerdahl's hypothesis has been dismissed
as nonsense by every scholar in that field today. In that dispute,
I have to say, Sam Sloan was right and Stan Booz was wrong.

quote:

> I never judge a person by what they have but rather by what they have
> earned (not $). It is entirely possible that Stan has stretched the

truth,

"This is a reprehensible slander, Mr Booz, Nick did not
write the above and everyone, including you, know it.
An apology is in order."
--Greenmantle (3 April 2004, writing to Stan Booz to denounce
Stan Booz's 'reprehensible slander' of me)

I doubt that Greenmantle would have denounced Stan Booz for his
'reprehensible slander' of me *if* all that Stan Booz had done
was a mild 'stretch(ing) (of) the truth'.

quote:

> I certainly do not know all the facts behind each of his statements,
> but he has been straight with those things that knwo about.

Nbreit, I suspect that I have been reading the chess newsgroups,
rec.games.chess.misc and rec.games.chess.politics (there's much
cross-posting here) for much longer than you have.

For one example, here's a link to my post in the thread "Tim Hanke's
Cultural Prejudice" (30 July 2003) wherein I cited evidence to prove
directly that Stan Booz has lied about me:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V27416E75

(Unfortunately, Google now fails to give the complete text of my
post when you click on that link above. But if you look up my post
(dated 30 July 2003) by doing your own Google search in the thread
"Tim Hanke's Cultural Prejudice", then you should be able to read
its complete text.)

On 25 July 2003, Stan Booz had denounced me as a 'racist' (his term)
and accused me of having ignored the history of genocide in Africa.
That was a *lie* by Stan Booz because, as I pointed out, I had
recently written a post addressed directly to Stan Booz (which
he did not deny having read) in which I had discussed at length
the 1994 genocide in Rwanda (a country in Africa).

"Thanks for being my Nigger Nick.
StanB"
--Stan Booz (17 March 2004, "March Chess Life--worst ever")

Yes, I already know that explicit racist slurs like that
are widely condoned, if not admired, in the United States.

"It's ludicrous to call the Dutch more racist than the Americans.
I have lived both in the US and in the Netherlands and there is
no comparison."
--Tobi Usher (30 April 2003)

quote:

> Thank you for pointing out that my english skills can be
> somewhat lacking.

Nbreit, I could not resist attempting to make a mild joke in
following up your comment, "Let's *do the math* and see who's (sic)
opinion might be worth more." Your "who's" means "who is", and you
should have written "whose". I regret it if my attempt at humour
has offended you.

--Nick

Hal Terrie

2004-12-24, 9:45 am

On 21 Dec 2004 04:39:35 GMT, parrthenon@cs.com (Parrthenon) wrote:

[Snip]

quote:

>
> I believe we will soon hear about a shortfall in revenue (something that
>has already happened in the six-figure area) and the cash crunch will occur some
>time within the first six months of 2005.

quote:

>
> As for the upcoming cash crunch and the architect's fee, Don Schultz spoke of
>great concern on this score. Randy Bauer speaks of nothing on the horizon.

Tom Lemming

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

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"Sam Sloan" < the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to

quote:

> hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
>

Have any of you dumb XXXXing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
local newspapers and actually interviewing people? No wonder the USCF is in
bankruptcy if you are hiring clerks via an Employment Agency.

StanB

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41c85e50.24178421@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children.

Sam Sloan is not a nice guy and he has no job.

Sam Sloan

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:38:27 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
>news:FLednXrFZvH9nVfcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
>
>
>There were these two chess players who went to the South Pole because they
>were so bored with r.g.c.p. and they both came from Eastern Europe; one from
>Poland and one from Czechoslovakia. They encountered a few planning
>difficulties and soon ran out of food, so decided to attack two polar bears
>with their bare hands, you know, a little karate and weird screaming to
>pscyhe themselves up [doh!], and so attacked this couple, a male and
>female.
>
>In the event, they were both eaten by the bears.
>
>The rescue party showed up and couldn't decide which Eastern European was in
>each animal, until an intelligent penguin showed up and addressed them with
>the comment:-
>
>"The Czech is in the male."
>
>Cordially, Neil

I have to admit that I liked that one.

Sam Sloan

Parrthenon

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

StanB

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

Your check is in the mail.

"nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103741591.190198.247840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>
> Jerzy wrote:
> children.
> with your
>
> Let's see if I got this right.
>
> Stan- Owns his own business
> Owns a home
> Owns a car
> Has money in the bank
> Supports his family
> Volunteers his time and expertise to USCF
> Contributes to the Chess Trust
>
> Sam- Collecting on his wife's unemployment-upward career move
> Has no permanent address
> Owns virtualy nothing
> Contributes nothing
> Does not volunteer for anything except to be someone's butt boy
> messenger.
> Calls a former president of the USCF and current LMA chair a
> wacko
> Calls the current president of the USCF a bull dyke.
> Accuses the current president and the VP of Finance of possibly
> running off with federation funds because neither has a job and
> probably not much money.
>
> Let's do the math and see who's opinion might be worth more.
>
> The fact that Stan seems to have little patience for Sam's inanity
> neither negates the fact that Sam just keeps flinging it up against the
> wall to see what will stick and is being used by either a current board
> member or the current ED to muddy the waters on any number of issues
> nor the fact that Sam is a twit.
>
> I would tend to agree with Stan v. Sam anytime on any issue. Stan may
> not always be right but he always tells it straight.
>

Hal Terrie

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:38:12 -0600, "Bill Smythe"
<chichess@beforeRCNafter.com> wrote:

quote:

>"Hal Terrie" wrote:
>and
>
>Slight clarification:
>
>As I recall, the committee DID vote to reveal the names of any who recused
>themselves.
>
>Bill Smythe
>
>

Yes, that's correct. My mistake.

-- Hal Terrie

Jerzy

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
news:iOmdnYd2APD_T1XcRVn-gA@comcast.com...

quote:

>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41c85e50.24178421@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> Sam Sloan is not a nice guy and he has no job.

Stan, obviously, you want to make a flame-war with Sam. I`m fed up with your
distorted and one-sided views.

Regards,

Jerzy

Jerzy

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41ca5f54.4265000@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> I have to admit that I liked that one.
>

Yes, a nice anecdote.

Regards,

Jerzy

nbreit

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

quote:

> nbreit wrote (to Jerzy Ciruk):
>
> Nbreit's favourite subject in school might have been
> mathematics; evidently, it was not English. :-)
>
> Given most of the contents of the lists above, nbreit
> seems to be implying that Stan Booz's opinion *on every
> subject* always must be 'worth more' (an appropriate
> choice of phrase) than Sam Sloan's *because* Stan Booz's
> worth more *financially* than Sam Sloan.
>
> But the *comparative value* of their opinions depends
> on the subject. Stan Booz's opinion should be worth
> more in discussing accounting because he's a professional
> accountant and Sam Sloan is not. Sam Sloan's opinion
> should be worth more in discussing chess analysis
> because he's higher rated (USCF 1931) than Stan Booz
> (USCF 1672) (as of today).
>
> I prefer to evaluate the worth of someone's opinion here
> according to how well one writes and the extent to which
> one can cite evidence and use rational arguments to support
> one's position, *not* just by checking one's bank account.
>
> I am *not* saying, of course, that I would approve of
> how Sam Sloan chooses to lead his personal life, but
> I tend to doubt that it's very relevant to what he
> writes in the chess newsgroups. For the record,
> I have sometimes criticised what Sam Sloan has
> written in the chess newsgroups.
>
>
> Stan Booz seems to have found another 'disciple'. :-)
>
>
> Apart from the many times that Stan Booz has lied,
> for which the evidence has been cited by me and some
> other writers in the chess newsgroups.
>
> For example, in the RGCP thread, "Bill posted this
> on chess.misc" (3 April 2004), Greenmantle wrote to
> Stan Booz about Mr Booz's 'reprehensible slander' of me:
>
> "This is a reprehensible slander, Mr Booz, Nick did not
> write the above and everyone, including you, know it.
> An apology is in order."
> --Greenmantle (3 April 2004, writing to Stan Booz)
> Stan Booz never has made any apology to me.
>
> --Nick

StanB

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went north
for the winter.

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Tznyd.2976$sh5.504@trndny08...

quote:

>
> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
> news:FLednXrFZvH9nVfcRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
>
>
> There were these two chess players who went to the South Pole because
> they were so bored with r.g.c.p. and they both came from Eastern Europe;
> one from Poland and one from Czechoslovakia. They encountered a few
> planning difficulties and soon ran out of food, so decided to attack two
> polar bears with their bare hands, you know, a little karate and weird
> screaming to pscyhe themselves up [doh!], and so attacked this couple, a
> male and female.
>
> In the event, they were both eaten by the bears.
>
> The rescue party showed up and couldn't decide which Eastern European was
> in each animal, until an intelligent penguin showed up and addressed them
> with the comment:-
>
> "The Czech is in the male."
>
> Cordially, Neil
>

Spam Scone

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

StanB wrote:

quote:

> How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went

north

quote:

> for the winter.

I knew that.

The real Neil, not the phony phil one.

Doctor SBD

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

>You must the editor haranguing the people around him

quote:

>because otherwise they're just not motivated.

StanB

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

"nbreit" <nbreit1955@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, I don't follow chess.misc, and I have filtered Nick.

Nick

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

nbreit wrote:

quote:

> You obviously are a stickler for detail, the point was not how much
> Stan or Sam has, it is the fact that one is more responsible and
> reliable than the other. Stan is a functioning member of society
> while Sam lives off the droppings of others. It's that simple.

quote:

> I never judge a person by what they have but rather by what they have
> earned (not $). It is entirely possible that Stan has stretched the

quote:

> I certainly do not know all the facts behind each of his statements,
> but he has been straight with those things that knwo about.

quote:

> Thank you for pointing out that my english skills can be
> somewhat lacking.

Jerzy

2004-12-28, 5:47 pm

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

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>
> No idiot, I don't give a damn if you're fed up.

I can see that it`s easy to knock you out :-)
However, now I can admit that Sam Sloan is right, you do insult people :-)
And you folks, Randy Bauer and Stan Booz are the USCF officials what is
really laughable :-)

quote:

>
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>
> Well doctor sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and most times anger

generates

quote:

> aggression. I'm angry at all like you who applaud Sam's disgusting

comments.

quote:

> I fear nothing and my only weaknesses are cigars, 12 year old scotch, and
> following this newsgroup.

So you are a drug addict but not a chess addict.
I`m sure that drug testing would exclude you from chess competition :-)

Regards,

Jerzy

StanB

2004-12-29, 9:47 am

"Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wrongo, they were on VACATION!

The following is my artistic rendition of two polar bears in a snow storm.

Neat huh?

Chess One

2004-12-30, 6:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> How to tell you this, no Polar Bears at the South Pole. They all went
> north for the winter.

Wrongo, they were on VACATION!

Have an ice day, Phil

quote:

> "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net> wrote in message
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