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What is the Immigration Status of Beatriz Marinello?

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

What is the Immigration Status of Beatriz Marinello?

Somebody posted to this group that Beatriz Marinello is a US citizen.
I am almost certain that this is not true. I do know that she had
difficulty withdrawing $513,000 from the Key Bank in Newburgh because
of questions related to her immigration status. Then, the judge froze
the account and for that reason the money is still there.

One reason that I believe that it is unlikely that Beatriz is a US
Citizen is that I know several other immigrants who have been in the
US longer than Beatriz and they have not been able to become citizens
yet. Of course, it is entirely possible that Beatriz got her papers
through faster than others.

Another factor is that Beatriz got her green card by being married
very briefly to a chess player. The law has been changed so that now a
green card expires if the persons do not remain married for two years.
The marriage between Beatriz and this chess player lasted a lot less
than two years, although it is possible that a paper marriage between
them lasted longer than that.

The first tournament that Beatriz Marinello played in on the USCF MSA
database took place in December 1991. I believe that Beatriz first
came to the USA in 1990.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12537449.2

Beatriz is from Chile. Another curious fact is that I can find no
record of Beatriz playing in any Womans Tournaments in Chile at all.
When she came to the USA, she was clearly a master strength player,
which would make her by far the strongest female chess player in
Chile. Yet, on the Chess Databases, there are no recorded games or
tournament results of any kind in which the name of Beatriz Marinello
appears.

According to the fide.com ratings database, Beatriz Marinello was on
May 14, 1964.

http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2005484

Most chess players reach their peak strength by their late 20s. When
Beatriz came to America, she would have been 26. By then, she must
have been a master. I do not recall seeing her at the 1986 World Chess
Olympiad in Dubai 1986 or at the World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki
1988. I was at both Olympiads and I am always looking at the girls. I
do not remember seeing Beatriz there, but I could easily have missed
her. By then, she would certainly have been strong enough to play
first board for the team from Chile.

http://www.samsloan.com/polgars.htm

What I suspect is that she has another name. She even spells her first
name two different ways: Beatriz and Beatrice. I have seen her spell
it both ways.

Her last name indicates Italian origin. The ll combination sounds like
a y in Spanish.

It is definitely odd that the strongest woman chess player from Chile
and one of the strongest in all of South America never played a
published chess game or reported tournament result in Chile or
anywhere else in South America, at least not that I can find.

Right after she was elected USCF President in August 2003, Beatriz was
diagnosed with kidney disease and she went back to Chile reportedly to
seek a kidney transplant from one of her relatives there. She came
back after two months. Therefore, she must have legal entry papers.

Last month, Beatriz went to Spain for the World Chess Olympiad, and
now she is back again, so she must have a legal visa.

However, we have a right to inquire as to her legal status. We are
about to hire her as Acting Executive Director of the USCF, a salaried
position. We are legally required to see her WORKING PAPERS before
giving her a job. Beatriz needs to be carrying a work permit from the
INS Department of Homeland Security and we are required by law to ask
her to show it.

When she takes office as ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR as currently
scheduled on December 20, 2004, Beatriz Marinello will have complete
control over all of the USCF funds, not only the $513,000 in the
account holding the proceeds from the sale of the building (assuming
that the account is unfrozen by that time), but also the general
account from which employee salaries and bills are paid. Beatriz will
be given access to nearly one million dollars in USCF funds.

Can we really afford to give control over such a large amount of money
to someone whose immigrations status and perhaps even her real name is
unknown?

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> However, we have a right to inquire as to her legal status. We are
> about to hire her as Acting Executive Director of the USCF, a salaried
> position. We are legally required to see her WORKING PAPERS before
> giving her a job. Beatriz needs to be carrying a work permit from the
> INS Department of Homeland Security and we are required by law to ask
> her to show it.

No we're not. Form I-9 will accept a drivers license and a social security
card. No more is required to legally hire an employee.

You like to make up imaginary rules so you can start a brouhaha.

irvin

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Sam:

Do a Google search for (write it exactly like this!): "beatriz" "ajedrez"
"chile"

You'll get her last name: Mancilla.

http://www.linach.cl/modules.php?na...article&sid=104

Good luck!

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Irvin
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"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> What is the Immigration Status of Beatriz Marinello?
>
> Somebody posted to this group that Beatriz Marinello is a US citizen.
> I am almost certain that this is not true. I do know that she had
> difficulty withdrawing $513,000 from the Key Bank in Newburgh because
> of questions related to her immigration status. Then, the judge froze
> the account and for that reason the money is still there.
>
> One reason that I believe that it is unlikely that Beatriz is a US
> Citizen is that I know several other immigrants who have been in the
> US longer than Beatriz and they have not been able to become citizens
> yet. Of course, it is entirely possible that Beatriz got her papers
> through faster than others.
>
> Another factor is that Beatriz got her green card by being married
> very briefly to a chess player. The law has been changed so that now a
> green card expires if the persons do not remain married for two years.
> The marriage between Beatriz and this chess player lasted a lot less
> than two years, although it is possible that a paper marriage between
> them lasted longer than that.
>
> The first tournament that Beatriz Marinello played in on the USCF MSA
> database took place in December 1991. I believe that Beatriz first
> came to the USA in 1990.
>
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12537449.2
>
> Beatriz is from Chile. Another curious fact is that I can find no
> record of Beatriz playing in any Womans Tournaments in Chile at all.
> When she came to the USA, she was clearly a master strength player,
> which would make her by far the strongest female chess player in
> Chile. Yet, on the Chess Databases, there are no recorded games or
> tournament results of any kind in which the name of Beatriz Marinello
> appears.
>
> According to the fide.com ratings database, Beatriz Marinello was on
> May 14, 1964.
>
> http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2005484
>
> Most chess players reach their peak strength by their late 20s. When
> Beatriz came to America, she would have been 26. By then, she must
> have been a master. I do not recall seeing her at the 1986 World Chess
> Olympiad in Dubai 1986 or at the World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki
> 1988. I was at both Olympiads and I am always looking at the girls. I
> do not remember seeing Beatriz there, but I could easily have missed
> her. By then, she would certainly have been strong enough to play
> first board for the team from Chile.
>
> http://www.samsloan.com/polgars.htm
>
> What I suspect is that she has another name. She even spells her first
> name two different ways: Beatriz and Beatrice. I have seen her spell
> it both ways.
>
> Her last name indicates Italian origin. The ll combination sounds like
> a y in Spanish.
>
> It is definitely odd that the strongest woman chess player from Chile
> and one of the strongest in all of South America never played a
> published chess game or reported tournament result in Chile or
> anywhere else in South America, at least not that I can find.
>
> Right after she was elected USCF President in August 2003, Beatriz was
> diagnosed with kidney disease and she went back to Chile reportedly to
> seek a kidney transplant from one of her relatives there. She came
> back after two months. Therefore, she must have legal entry papers.
>
> Last month, Beatriz went to Spain for the World Chess Olympiad, and
> now she is back again, so she must have a legal visa.
>
> However, we have a right to inquire as to her legal status. We are
> about to hire her as Acting Executive Director of the USCF, a salaried
> position. We are legally required to see her WORKING PAPERS before
> giving her a job. Beatriz needs to be carrying a work permit from the
> INS Department of Homeland Security and we are required by law to ask
> her to show it.
>
> When she takes office as ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR as currently
> scheduled on December 20, 2004, Beatriz Marinello will have complete
> control over all of the USCF funds, not only the $513,000 in the
> account holding the proceeds from the sale of the building (assuming
> that the account is unfrozen by that time), but also the general
> account from which employee salaries and bills are paid. Beatriz will
> be given access to nearly one million dollars in USCF funds.
>
> Can we really afford to give control over such a large amount of money
> to someone whose immigrations status and perhaps even her real name is
> unknown?
>
> Sam Sloan

irvin

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Mispelled last name: Mansilla (instead of Mancilla).

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"irvin" <noone@none.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Sam:
>
> Do a Google search for (write it exactly like this!): "beatriz" "ajedrez"
> "chile"
>
> You'll get her last name: Mancilla.
>
> http://www.linach.cl/modules.php?na...article&sid=104
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Irvin
> -------------------------
> http://www.pixel69.com
>
>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41bc5d1a.13587718@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:24:17 GMT, "irvin" <noone@none.com> wrote:

quote:

>Sam:
>
>Do a Google search for (write it exactly like this!): "beatriz" "ajedrez"
>"chile"
>
>You'll get her last name: Mancilla.
>
>http://www.linach.cl/modules.php?na...article&sid=104
>
>
>Good luck!
>
>--
>Irvin
>-------------------------
>http://www.pixel69.com

You are right! Very good. Thank you.

Her name down there is spelled either Mansilla or Mancilla

Clearly the same person. They even use the same photograph.

Now, I wonder why she uses a different name here.

Sam Sloan

Doom & Gloom Dave

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> What is the Immigration Status of Beatriz Marinello?
>

Don't you have more pressing issues, like finally finding Win Mo?

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:23:52 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:41bc5d1a.13587718@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
>No we're not. Form I-9 will accept a drivers license and a social security
>card. No more is required to legally hire an employee.
>
>You like to make up imaginary rules so you can start a brouhaha.

The Law according to Stan Booz. Too bad that is not the law according
to George W. Bush and his Department of Homeland Security.

My wife is married to me for the past three years and we have a child.
We thought that she would have a green card by now, so we let her work
permit expire. The Green Card has not arrived. She applied for a new
work permit three months ago, and paid the fee of $175, but still it
has not arrived. Every time she applies for a job, they ask to see her
work authorization card. No card, no job, they say, even though she
has a Social Security Card and a Dirvers License.

Apparently, these prospective employers are operating under a
different law than the Stan Booz Law.

As far as I am aware, Beatriz has never had a normal salaried job
since she has been in the US, except for when she worked for the USCF
as the Scholastic Director. I have found out that they did not inquire
as to her immigration status when they gave her that job.

There are two top level immigration officials who read this group.
They almost certainly know her immigration status, because it is their
job to know such things. They are operating under all kinds of
departmental regulations not to reveal this information, but if
Beatriz gets a salaried job working for the USCF, they might be
obliged to make an arrest, if they are certain of this.

Don't you think it is noteworthy that Beatriz has never had a regular
job since she has been in the US, other than working for the USCF? She
has sold pet food on the Internet, made chess videos and taught chess
to children, but has never had the kind of job where you have to show
up at 9:00 AM every morning.

Don't you think that is remarkable?

Sam Sloan

GrantPerks

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Ismail Sloan wrote:

quote:

>
>The Law according to Stan Booz. Too bad that is not the law according
>to George W. Bush and his Department of Homeland Security.

Same law.

quote:

> Every time she applies for a job, they ask to see her
>work authorization card. No card, no job, they say, even though she
>has a Social Security Card and a Dirvers License.

There are three types of SS cards, one for citizens, one for aliens without
work authorization, and one for aliens with work authorization from USCIS.

The SS card with work rights is marked "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS
AUTHORIZATION." Thus, if this is the type of card your wife has she must
present her work authorization card from USCIS.

quote:

>As far as I am aware, Beatriz has never had a normal salaried job
>since she has been in the US, except for when she worked for the USCF
>as the Scholastic Director. I have found out that they did not inquire
>as to her immigration status when they gave her that job.
>

Gee, they insisted on my drivers license and birth certificate when I worked
there.

quote:

>
>Don't you think it is noteworthy that Beatriz has never had a regular
>job since she has been in the US, other than working for the USCF? .
>
>Don't you think that is remarkable?
>

I think it is great that we have chess professionals that can make a living
being self-employed in the US.

Grant Perks

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On 12 Dec 2004 21:05:43 GMT, gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote:

quote:

>Ismail Sloan wrote:
>
>Same law.
>
>
>There are three types of SS cards, one for citizens, one for aliens without
>work authorization, and one for aliens with work authorization from USCIS.
>
>The SS card with work rights is marked "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS
>AUTHORIZATION." Thus, if this is the type of card your wife has she must
>present her work authorization card from USCIS.

You are correct. I just checked. It says:

"VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION."

She got the card before the DHS, Department of Homeland Security, had
been formed.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bce8d3.49357156@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> I will be here, unlike you, who has been evading service of process
> for the past three weeks.

As the Table Turns. Stay tuned for the next exciting episode. Will Sam get
his just deserts? Will Sam be accused of taking money for the practice of
law? Will ICC prevail in its suit against Billy G.? Same time, same station.

Doom & Gloom Dave

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Beatriz wrote:

quote:

> I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
> XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole
> this week, will you? Some papers for you need personal service.
>

Well I'm convinced, doesn't get much more American than that!

Jürgen R.

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote:

quote:

>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:41bcb5da.36308453@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
>So much for the law according to Sam Sloan. Time to troll about something
>else.

For practical purposes there is only one law for dealing with the INS:
You will get nowhere unless you hire an "immigration lawyer". It was
not always this way, but that is the status today. An immigration
lawyer is almost invariably a former employee of the INS. He knows the
numbers to call and gets responses when he files forms. You do not
know the numbers to call and the innumerable numbers listed on the web
sites and the telephone directories are all either dead or permanently
busy (with busy signal, not music-on-hold). If you write you will,
most likely, get no answer.

The INS is effectively not accountable to anyone. It is probably the
most corrupt organization in the corrupt U.S. government. However, you
cannot bribe them directly - only via the "immigration lawyer" ruse.
When I last got an H1B work permit in 2001 the price was $2500. For
the "lawyer" the application requires about 2 hours work that can be
done by a secretary. Green cards are much more expensive and take much
more time.

Twenty years ago it was still possible to deal with the INS. At that
time I applied for and got a green card in about 6 months. Today it
would be pointless to try such a thing.

However, spouses of citizens are a special category and only an idiot
would fail to regularize the status of his wife of 3 years. Perhaps
the "affidavit of support" is the problem, but I'm not sure it is
required for a wife. The affidavit of support makes the sponsor liable
for any public expenses should the immigrant become indigent.

Jürgen

quote:

>
>

CHUPA CABRA

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Nagaflas" to go to Crossville, which is conveniently located between
Nashville and Knoxville, smack-dab-in-the-middle of no where.

quote:

>

I have not been to Tennessee in a while. I have been to Lawrenceburg,
Johnson City (pretty big and very nice), and the big ones like Memphis &
Knoxville and Nashville. But I remember Lawrenceburg and some of those towns
on the main road going southwest? from Nashville (forgot what it was), and I
would hate to be an outsider who had a problem against a local in any of
those towns.

The USCF is practically dead. If some enlightened folks do not "INTERVENE"
then it will die, and someone will steal the last money and take off.

If it moves to Crossville, it will die as soon as the local bank gets the
money and the Dyke drives down and cashes the check. There is not going to
be any "USCF Building" and you guys are raving idiots if you believe that.
You should have moved to Miami and the Excalibur Building which is big
enough for your pathetic organization. At least in Miami there are several
Police agencies, State & Federal Courts, and some recourse if the Dyke
steals the money.

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On 13 Dec 2004 05:59:33 -0000, Beatriz <notbeatchess@notuscf.com>
wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>That is false, I never have evaded service. Is it my fault that you
>obviously do not have the right address? My surname isn't Maranello
>either, that is a cherry, didn't you know? Not Marinello neither,
>never has been. I won't address you any more, you aren't worth it.
>
>Does anyone here know of potential assets that Mr S. Sloan may have?
>I believe there is an estate of his deceased mother to which he is
>arguing he has an entitlement. Does anyone here know how to get in
>touch with Mr Creighton Sloan?
>
>Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
>not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
>Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
>members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
>the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.
>
>Back home I know what gets done to men like him. The only reasons
>he doesn't he go back to Afghanistan where he belongs is that they
>don't pay Social Security there and also when he commits 'liable'
>as the indigent coward ignorantly called it the Afghan he abuses
>may give justice to him more directly than is possible in the US.
>
> Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote

Amazing development although it should not be entirely a surprise.

Beatriz admits that her name is not Marinello. "Never has been", she
says.

But her name on the rating list is Marinello. See
http://www.64.com/uscf/ratings/12537449

Also, her name in Chess Life as USCF President is Beatriz Marinello.

So, she has been using a fake name all along. This means that she is
not USCF President nor is she on the USCF Executive Board because the
person elected to those positions was Beatriz Marinello and she is not
that person.

I suppose that this makes Vice-President Steve Shutt as the new USCF
President.

By the way, she is threatening a lawsuit for liable but it is not
possible to liable a fake name. I do not know what her real name is so
I certainly have not liabled her real name, so her proposed lawsuit
has no basis.

This also means that the vote to move to Crossville is null and void
because the vote was 4-3 with Beatriz voting with the four, so since
her vote is invalid the vote was really a 3-3 tie and therefore it
failed.

I figured out that she was using a fake name for several reasons.
First, she was already a master when she first came to the US. The
chess federation in Chile has no record of a woman chess player named
Marinello. She would have been the only woman chess master in Chile
and certainly a famous player and first board for the team from Chile
under her real name.

Second, I found out that the USCF did not check her ID and Immigration
status when they gave her a job as Scholastic Director in 1999.

Thirdly, she has never had a regular office job. She has sold pet food
on the internet and taught chess to children but has never had an
on-the-books job.

Also, according to my friend Joe Tamargo, her name could not be a
Spanish name. It would have to be spelled Marinelo.

Perhaps most importantly, she refused to sign a signature card or to
provide photo ID to the Key Bank in Newburgh. For this reason, the
money was not transferred to the bank in Crossville.

I believe that this means that the crisis will soon be over, because
she is no longer USCF president.

Sam Sloan

Chess One

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Beatriz" <notbeatchess@notuscf.com> wrote in message
news:oxInd.363188$wZ.1231505@attbi_s54...[vbcol=seagreen]
>I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
> XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole
> this week, will you? Some papers for you need personal service.
>
> Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote

I have always been obliged to state my status, as a foreign national, and I
have worked with the FBI and NASA, eg. It is a formal requirement, entirely
pro-forma, and not in any way personal.

To reiterate, it is a //requirement// of employment in the USA for either
the public or private spheres.

If the question can be simply answered; a necessary question concerning a
public official of a national trust for chess, and the opportunity is passed
over to do so, what is the implication?

Sam Sloan has asked very many impertinent questions here. They ARE
impertinent! They ARE an affront to dignity! They ARE sceptical about
personal motives and ambitions!

If USCF had provided answers to these questions instead of refusing to
answer them, then Sam Sloan would indeed be as large a scoundrel as everyone
claims he is.

But what have we understood from USCF?

Not much. An official clamp-own on speaking about issues of its own
bye-laws; no comment on the legal status of its officials;and no sharing of
the document which would reveal the Crossville plan to be such an obviously
good deal compared to all other possibly plans, as is claimed for it? What
motive can there be for not answering? I mean, does anyone reading this have
no curiosity? Is it a crime to speak about your curiosity?

No strategic plan for the future either! Nevertheless, chess players last
few dollars are now being spent.

Why not answer the man's questions? Why threaten him with a personal suit?
Why not implicate me too, since I have all the same questions and have
written them in public?

Phil Innes

nowhereman

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> :

quote:

> Amazing development although it should not be entirely a surprise.

Hello? Anybody home? Are you really *that* dumb?

Rob Mitchell

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

It's a cultural spelling I believe.
Whats the point with this line of discussion?

Jerry W

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Personal rants like this from you and Bauer weaken your case. You may even
achieve the remarkable feat of generating sympathy for Sam Sloan, who does
at least address the issues

Jerryw

"Beatriz" <notbeatchess@notuscf.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

quote:

>
> Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
> not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
> Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
> members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
> the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.
>
> Back home I know what gets done to men like him. The only reasons
> he doesn't he go back to Afghanistan where he belongs is that they
> don't pay Social Security there and also when he commits 'liable'
> as the indigent coward ignorantly called it the Afghan he abuses
> may give justice to him more directly than is possible in the US.
>
> Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote
>
>

sennajawa@yahoo.com

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Nagaflas:

quote:

> I just hope you guys within the
> USCF can get your stuff straight,
> because we might we watching
> the death of American chess
> before us.

Or rebirth.

Wlod

sennajawa@yahoo.com

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

CHUPA CABRA:

quote:

> [...] the Dyke drives down [...]
> [...] if the Dyke steals [...]

CHUPA CABRA is a typical, Internet,
stinking, anonymous coward.

Wlod

David Ames

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:24:17 GMT, "irvin" <noone@none.com> wrote:
>
"ajedrez"[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> You are right! Very good. Thank you.
>
> Her name down there is spelled either Mansilla or Mancilla
>
> Clearly the same person. They even use the same photograph.
>
> Now, I wonder why she uses a different name here.
>
> Sam Sloan

In Hispanic countries, don't people ordinarily carry two family names?
Their mother's and their father's? And aren't there cases where the
one name carries more status than the other? And sometimes one of the
names is reduced to an initial?

And when a person gains U.S. citizenship through naturalization,
doesn't he or she have the opportunity to take a new name, different
from the name formerly borne?

David Ames

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On 13 Dec 2004 05:59:33 -0000, Beatriz <notbeatchess@notuscf.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
>not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
>Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
>members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
>the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.

I read this to my wife, Kayo, after the supposed Beatriz had posted
it. My wife is not really plump. She has a good figure, especially for
her age, which is 38. Actually, I do not really like girls who are as
skinny as a rail. I like for them to have a little meat, something to
hang onto.

Anyway, as my wife was still in bed, she invited me to come in and
make liove to her.

While I was doing this, I suddenly felt a tremendous pain in my brain.
I have never felt anything like this before. I was afraid that I would
not be able to ejaculate inside of her, but finally I did so with
great difficulty.

I had a tremendous painful headache for at least a half hour after
that. The pain still has not gone away completely.

I have read that men often have strokes or heart attacks while having
sexual intercourse. Was I having a stroke or on the verge of having
one? Does anybody know? I am 60 years old.

Sam Sloan

Johnny Windbag

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <> I have read that men often have strokes or heart attacks
while having sexual intercourse. Was I having a stroke or on the verge of
having one? Does anybody know? I am 60 years old.

quote:

>

You need to massage your butt-hole in order to relieve the pressure. Ask
your loving wife to stick her thumb up your XXX and rotate. A lot of old
people get headaches because their assholes are too tight. The solution is
to buy a butt-plug and use it regularly to keep you relaxed.

Paul Rubin

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Jerry W" <jerry@jerrywhitmarshdotcom> writes:

quote:

> Personal rants like this from you and Bauer weaken your
> case. You may even achieve the remarkable feat of generating
> sympathy for Sam Sloan, who does at least address the issues
>
> Jerryw
>
> "Beatriz" <notbeatchess@notuscf.com> wrote in message

It's obvious from the "notbeatchess@notuscf.com" that the message is
from some prankster/troll and not from the better-known Beatriz.

Fifiela

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

<<<<I have read that men often have strokes or heart attacks while having
sexual intercourse. Was I having a stroke or on the verge of having
one? Does anybody know?>>>

I don't know what to say...I just don't know....

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On 13 Dec 2004 14:02:34 -0800, "Liam Too" <liamtoo805@yahoo.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>Headaches are nomal side effects after using Viagra. It should have
>gone away though after 4 hours. If it didn't, then it's about time to
>see a doctor.
>

I do not use Viagra. No need. It just comes up naturally.

I am worried. I hope this does not happen the next time we f.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

<sennajawa@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102943271.680869.210280@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

quote:

> CHUPA CABRA:
>
>
> CHUPA CABRA is a typical, Internet,
> stinking, anonymous coward.

You'd have to be pretty brave to suck a goat.

irvin

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Italian is not commonly spoken in Argentina, although many people do have
italian ancestors and italian names are quite common there.

***************

A clarification: Beatriz's LAST NAME is Mansilla.

In spanish countries, it's very common to have to "first names" (so to
speak): John Michael followed by two "last names": Smith Johnson. The two
first names are random: you name your child whatever you want. The two "last
names" (surnames) correspond (in this order) to the father's last name and
mother's maiden name (like in ther USA, most women adopt their husband's
last name, albeit withour abandoning theirs.

So, the above means that the name " Beatriz Del Carmen Mansilla Marinello "
is broken down like this:

The first two names "Beatriz" & "Del Carmen" are just two first names (like
John Michael) and usully the first of the two is what everybody calls that
person by ("Hi, Beatriz").

Of the last "two surnames", the first ("Mansilla") would belong to the
father (Mr. "Whatever Mansilla") and "Marinello" would be the mother's
maiden name (Miss "Whatever Marinello")

So, the most common way to call this person in her native country would be
"Beatriz Mansilla", although it's also common to call her Beatriz Mansilla
Marinello.

It would be rare to be called "Beatriz Marinello".

That's the way it goes south of the border, champs.

--
Irvin
-------------------------
http://www.pixel69.com

"David Ames" <worldrecord@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1102979045.852810.309300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>
> Sam Sloan wrote:
> [snip]
> [snip]
>
> Sam, I believe you are correct to hsve pointed out that Marinello is an
> Italian name. I have understood that Italian is commonly spoken in
> Argentina. It would not be surprising if a family of Italian
> background found its way to Chile, the neighboring country. David Ames
>

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On 13 Dec 2004 16:05:11 -0800, "David Ames" <worldrecord@juno.com>
wrote:

quote:

>I once had an assignment of a few weeks working for an Argentinian man
>who knew Italian. Perhaps his notion of Italian being commonly spoken
>in Argentina was different from your assessment. Nel mondo entero
>non c'e nessuno chi non capisca italiano.
>
>David Ames

When I was in Argentina, I read that 90% of the population of
Argentina was of Italian origin.

Sam Sloan

irvin

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

Most likely he was referring to those pockets of society where italian
immigrants live (no different than italian communities in some cities of the
USA). In other words, saying that Italian is "commonly spoken" in Argentina
is the same as saying Italian is "commonly spoken in the USA". That's not
very accurate.

However, there's some truth to your statement: it's estimated that about 1
million people (out of a total population of about 35 million) do speak
Italian in Argentina.

http://www.worldhistorysite.com/language.html

Hopefully this will have shed some positive light on this matter.

--
Irvin
-------------------------
http://www.pixel69.com

"David Ames" <worldrecord@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1102982711.092846.178230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>I once had an assignment of a few weeks working for an Argentinian man
> who knew Italian. Perhaps his notion of Italian being commonly spoken
> in Argentina was different from your assessment. Nel mondo entero
> non c'e nessuno chi non capisca italiano.
>
> David Ames
>

Mike Murray

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:09:29 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

quote:

>Anyway, as my wife was still in bed, she invited me to come in and
>make liove to her.

quote:

>While I was doing this, I suddenly felt a tremendous pain in my brain.
>I have never felt anything like this before. I was afraid that I would
>not be able to ejaculate inside of her, but finally I did so with
>great difficulty.

quote:

>I had a tremendous painful headache for at least a half hour after
>that. The pain still has not gone away completely.
>
>I have read that men often have strokes or heart attacks while having
>sexual intercourse. Was I having a stroke or on the verge of having
>one? Does anybody know? I am 60 years old.

By some coincidence, a friend of mine had almost the same identical
experience while "making whoopee" a couple of months ago. He said it
felt like he was hit on the head with a baseball bat.

It was a brain aneurysm. He went to the hospital and was transported
from there to Harborview in Seattle, where they had more expertise on
such matters.

He's about fifty. Good physical condition, etc.

You need to go in and get checked ASAP.

quote:

>
>Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

"Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:llgsr01ohjpcct31kseg4dqc2pjf50et89@4ax.com...

quote:

> You need to go in and get checked ASAP.

Sam doesn't have health insurance.

Sam Sloan

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:37:08 -0800, Mike Murray
<mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote:

quote:

>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:09:29 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>By some coincidence, a friend of mine had almost the same identical
>experience while "making whoopee" a couple of months ago. He said it
>felt like he was hit on the head with a baseball bat.
>
>It was a brain aneurysm. He went to the hospital and was transported
>from there to Harborview in Seattle, where they had more expertise on
>such matters.
>
>He's about fifty. Good physical condition, etc.
>
>You need to go in and get checked ASAP.

I just got back from the Emergency Room in St. John's Hospital here in
Far Rockaway. Dr. Sharma there told me that I did not have a brain
aneurysm because if there had been a rupture the pain would have been
very severe and would have lasted a long time. In my case, the pain
only lasted for a half hour or so and then settled into a mild
headache.

My blood pressure today measured 109/73 . I have always had relatively
low blood pressure. (That is why people shout insults at me all day
long on this group and it does not bother me very much.) The doctor
said that while I was having sexual intercourse with my wife, my blood
pressure shot up and this caused the tremendous pain in my brain.

He advised against a CAT Scan at this time. However, if it happens
again, a CAT Scan might be called for.

Sam Sloan

Chess One

2004-12-15, 5:47 pm

> He advised against a CAT Scan at this time. However, if it happens

quote:

> again, a CAT Scan might be called for.
>
> Sam Sloan

Just don't croak until you read the GO book - I have it wrapped after my own
fashion- it really is a beautiful little hardback novel - will try to
forward Friday if I can bother with the post office lines.

Cordially, Santa

ps: I have restricted circulation of this message to rec.games.chess.politcs
at random

Ted the Cat

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

"Beatriz" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
> XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole
> this week, will you? Some papers for you need personal service.
>
> Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote

Hmmm. I take it you refer to papers you will serve on Sam Sloan. What
kind of papers do you have that must be personally served on the plaintiff
in your law suit?

So, are you in the USA legally? What is your name? Are you planning to
run off to South America with USCF money? And, how do you feel about Sam
Sloan posting all this stuff on the internet?

Nagaflas

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Wow! The exciting world of American chess. It's fantastic!

No doubt, I am an outsider; y'all don't know me. I'm just someone who
has been reading these groups for nearly 15 years, when AOL had a DOS
interface and cost 5 bucks and hour at 2400bps.

As a resident of Tennessee, I can tell anyone who wants to know that
it's not a very smart cultural move for the USCF to go to Crossville,
which is conveniently located between Nashville and Knoxville,
smack-dab-in-the-middle of no where.

Crossville is in the type of area where if you're black, you're driving
a car and you run out of gas there, you'd better find a hill to coast
down, because your best bet would be to keep going.

I'm an outsider, no doubt. But I have not been reading the lists for
nothing all these years. I played scholastic chess back in the early
90s, and will always have an interest in the game. I poke my head in
rec.games.chess.politics to see the inner working of chess from time to
time, but like I say, I'm an outsider, and I don't know how things work
here, but I can tell a catastrophy 100 miles away when it's on it's
way.

Folks, the USCF will die soon; it's on its deathbed. I don't know the
details, but they seem to always have a money problem; it's a wonder
they can ever operate.

Sam raises some vaild concerns, IMHO. Whenever you have small cliques
within a large orginization, whether be at work at the office or at a
place like FedEx, you have to watch them because they've separated from
the rest of the group for a specific reason, good or bad. I make no
accusations, though. After all, I'm an outsider.

The USCF is on it's last legs. I hope Miss Beatriz does not plan to use
USCF money when she sues Sam (plus, libel suits are some of the hardest
to prove, let alone win, in court. I'm a journalism student, so we are
taught this over and over again).

I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the exchanges between StanB
and Sam, the crazy postings of "Rev. Dr. Calvin Abu Hindoo Qusz, Jr"
(who "pledges to never buy a Shahcom sensory board", what was his real
identity, BTW?) and all the stuff that happens here. I just hope you
guys within the USCF can get your stuff straight, because we might we
watching the death of American chess before us.

Leshaun Fossett (feel free to flame me)
http://leshaunfossett.cjb.net/

Beatriz wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> That is false, I never have evaded service. Is it my fault that you
> obviously do not have the right address? My surname isn't Maranello
> either, that is a cherry, didn't you know? Not Marinello neither,
> never has been. I won't address you any more, you aren't worth it.
>
> Does anyone here know of potential assets that Mr S. Sloan may have?
> I believe there is an estate of his deceased mother to which he is
> arguing he has an entitlement. Does anyone here know how to get in
> touch with Mr Creighton Sloan?
>
> Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
> not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
> Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
> members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
> the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.
>
> Back home I know what gets done to men like him. The only reasons
> he doesn't he go back to Afghanistan where he belongs is that they
> don't pay Social Security there and also when he commits 'liable'
> as the indigent coward ignorantly called it the Afghan he abuses
> may give justice to him more directly than is possible in the US.
>
> Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote

Howard Sperm

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <The doctor said that while I was having sexual intercourse with
my wife, my blood pressure shot up and this caused the tremendous pain in my
brain.

quote:

>

WHO CARES, YOU XXXXING PIG! I don't think you were having intercourse at
all. What really happened is that you came home and found Betty and Kayo
licking each other's snatches in the formidable 69 position. Then you keeled
over from the shock.

StanB

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

"Beatriz" <notbeatchess@notuscf.com> wrote in message
news:oxInd.363188$wZ.1231505@attbi_s54...

quote:

>I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
> XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole
> this week, will you? Some papers for you need personal service.

Since Sam is so fluent in Spanish, maybe he'll understand this: Jodete!

Sam Sloan

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

On 13 Dec 2004 00:22:37 -0000, Beatriz <notbeatchess@notuscf.com>
wrote:

quote:

>I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
>XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole
>this week, will you? Some papers for you need personal service.

I will be here, unlike you, who has been evading service of process
for the past three weeks.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bce8d3.49357156@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> I will be here, unlike you, who has been evading service of process
> for the past three weeks.

Rob Mitchell

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Bravo.

Tom Klem

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Sounds kind of funny coming from a guy who sleeps under tables in hotel
lobbies.

Just a thought.

--
Tom Klem

"Fascinating!"
---Mr Spock

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bc9cf6.29935890@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:23:52 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
> wrote:
>
security[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> The Law according to Stan Booz. Too bad that is not the law according
> to George W. Bush and his Department of Homeland Security.
>
> My wife is married to me for the past three years and we have a child.
> We thought that she would have a green card by now, so we let her work
> permit expire. The Green Card has not arrived. She applied for a new
> work permit three months ago, and paid the fee of $175, but still it
> has not arrived. Every time she applies for a job, they ask to see her
> work authorization card. No card, no job, they say, even though she
> has a Social Security Card and a Dirvers License.
>
> Apparently, these prospective employers are operating under a
> different law than the Stan Booz Law.
>
> As far as I am aware, Beatriz has never had a normal salaried job
> since she has been in the US, except for when she worked for the USCF
> as the Scholastic Director. I have found out that they did not inquire
> as to her immigration status when they gave her that job.
>
> There are two top level immigration officials who read this group.
> They almost certainly know her immigration status, because it is their
> job to know such things. They are operating under all kinds of
> departmental regulations not to reveal this information, but if
> Beatriz gets a salaried job working for the USCF, they might be
> obliged to make an arrest, if they are certain of this.
>
> Don't you think it is noteworthy that Beatriz has never had a regular
> job since she has been in the US, other than working for the USCF? She
> has sold pet food on the Internet, made chess videos and taught chess
> to children, but has never had the kind of job where you have to show
> up at 9:00 AM every morning.
>
> Don't you think that is remarkable?
>
> Sam Sloan

sennajawa@yahoo.com

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Beatriz:

quote:

> XXXX YOU SAM.

This is sad. USCF went one notch lower.
And it's double sad, when such language
is prepended with:

quote:

> Note: The author of this message
> requested that it not be archived.
> This message will be removed from
> Groups in 6 days (Dec 19, 4:22 pm).

One can't have it both ways: to say something
and to avoid responsibility. It is not possible
to erase this kind of response. (And the other
response by Beatriz went still lower).

Sam didn't have to write about
alleged B's lesbianism. It was
an unnecessary and irrelevant
information. On the other hand,
among people free from prejudices,
it was harmless.

I have mentioned it because
I don't see any other pretext
for Beatriz' style (hm) of her
responses. Especially that
Beatriz is the USCF President.

Regards,

Wlod

sennajawa@yahoo.com

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Is someone impersonating
Beatriz Marinello, the USF President?

Internet is too good for
the human race--h.r. includes
too much scum.

Wlod

Larry Tapper

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> Amazing development although it should not be entirely a surprise.
>
> Beatriz admits that her name is not Marinello. "Never has been", she

says.

Sam,

Possibly Beatriz is saying only that you badly need a lesson in Spanish
surnames. Which you're not about to get from her any time soon,
understandably.

Hint:

Francisco Vallejo Pons
Miguel Illescas Cordoba

quote:

>
> But her name on the rating list is Marinello. See
> http://www.64.com/uscf/ratings/12537449
>
> Also, her name in Chess Life as USCF President is Beatriz Marinello.
>
> So, she has been using a fake name all along. This means that she is

not USCF President nor is she on the USCF Executive Board because the
person elected to those positions was Beatriz Marinello and she is not
that person.

Brilliant reasoning as usual --- why don't you file another lawsuit?

But wait, there's more:

quote:

> ...Also, according to my friend Joe Tamargo, her name could not be a

Spanish name. It would have to be spelled Marinelo.

Sam, are you not aware of the fact that a large number of South
Americans have Italian ancestors? Do you think Angelo DePalma is a
suspicious character because he doesn't have a real "English name"?
LT

sennajawa@yahoo.com

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

CHUPA CABRA, did you fake those
two posts

"From: Beatriz <notbeatch...@notuscf.com>

?

Wlod

CHUPA CABRA

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

"Beatriz" <> I normally could never talk like this but I must sincerely say
XXXX YOU SAM. Don't run away from your Beach 32nd Street hole this week,
will you? Some papers for you need personal service.

quote:

>

Is this really a post from Beatriz Marinello, the USCF Director (or
whatever?). If so, you dumb bastards that elected her are a lot dumber than
I thought. What kind of a Chess Organization has some Trailer Park Trash
Tortillera (Spanish for Dyke), running everything?? She even posts messages
LIKE A DYKE. I bet she has a mustache and furball underarms.

The USCF is history if that TORTILLERA (TOR-TEE-YE-RUH) gets it to
Crossville. Kiss your ratings and tournaments, etc. goodbye!

Liam Too

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> I had a tremendous painful headache for at least a half hour after
> that. The pain still has not gone away completely.
>
> I have read that men often have strokes or heart attacks while having
> sexual intercourse. Was I having a stroke or on the verge of having
> one? Does anybody know? I am 60 years old.
>
> Sam Sloan<<

Headaches are nomal side effects after using Viagra. It should have
gone away though after 4 hours. If it didn't, then it's about time to
see a doctor.

David Ames

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

Sam Sloan wrote:
[snip]

quote:

>
> Also, according to my friend Joe Tamargo, her name could not be a
> Spanish name. It would have to be spelled Marinelo.
>
>

[snip]

quote:

>
> Sam Sloan

Sam, I believe you are correct to hsve pointed out that Marinello is an
Italian name. I have understood that Italian is commonly spoken in
Argentina. It would not be surprising if a family of Italian
background found its way to Chile, the neighboring country. David Ames

David Ames

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

I once had an assignment of a few weeks working for an Argentinian man
who knew Italian. Perhaps his notion of Italian being commonly spoken
in Argentina was different from your assessment. Nel mondo entero
non c'e nessuno chi non capisca italiano.

David Ames

Mike Murray

2004-12-16, 12:46 am

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:49:56 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>"Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message
>news:llgsr01ohjpcct31kseg4dqc2pjf50et89@4ax.com...

quote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
>Sam doesn't have health insurance.

I think you can use the emergency room without health insurance. At
least, that's the law in Washington State. Maybe it's different in
New York.

Sam Sloan

2004-12-16, 9:45 am

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:29:14 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>Just don't croak until you read the GO book - I have it wrapped after my own
>fashion- it really is a beautiful little hardback novel - will try to
>forward Friday if I can bother with the post office lines.
>
>Cordially, Santa
>
>ps: I have restricted circulation of this message to rec.games.chess.politcs
>at random

OK. Fair enough. I promise not to croak until I have received your new
GO book in the mail.

Cross my heart and hope to die.

Sam Sloan

Tom Klem

2004-12-16, 5:46 pm

So you're saying that your ambition in life is to simply die?

--
Tom Klem

"The needs of the many, far outweigh the needs of the few."
---Vulcan High Command

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41c19759.53551281@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:29:14 GMT, "Chess One" <innes8@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
own[vbcol=seagreen]
rec.games.chess.politcs[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> OK. Fair enough. I promise not to croak until I have received your new
> GO book in the mail.
>
> Cross my heart and hope to die.
>
> Sam Sloan

Beatriz

2004-12-17, 12:45 am

That is false, I never have evaded service. Is it my fault that you
obviously do not have the right address? My surname isn't Maranello
either, that is a cherry, didn't you know? Not Marinello neither,
never has been. I won't address you any more, you aren't worth it.

Does anyone here know of potential assets that Mr S. Sloan may have?
I believe there is an estate of his deceased mother to which he is
arguing he has an entitlement. Does anyone here know how to get in
touch with Mr Creighton Sloan?

Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.

Back home I know what gets done to men like him. The only reasons
he doesn't he go back to Afghanistan where he belongs is that they
don't pay Social Security there and also when he commits 'liable'
as the indigent coward ignorantly called it the Afghan he abuses
may give justice to him more directly than is possible in the US.

Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com) wrote

quote:

>I will be here, unlike you, who has been evading service of process

michael adams

2004-12-17, 12:45 am

Howard Sperm wrote:

quote:

>
> "Tyrone Slothrop" > A Stroke is the ultimate "Brain Attack." It can strike
> the young, Nothing is more frightening. >>
>
> 60 year old Sam Sloan posts that he felt like he was having a stroke while
> he was banging his 38 year old wife. THIS IS THE USCF.

Jeezus Christos, 38 is way too old, I'd favour the 19 -21 range..

Fifiela

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

<<<< This means that she is
not USCF President nor is she on the USCF Executive Board because the
person elected to those positions was Beatriz Marinello and she is not
that person....I suppose that this makes Vice-President Steve Shutt as the new
USCF President....This also means that the vote to move to Crossville is null
and void because the vote was 4-3 with Beatriz voting with the four, so since
her vote is invalid the vote was really a 3-3 tie and therefore it failed....I
believe that this means that the crisis will soon be over, because she is no
longer USCF president.>>>

Richard Peterson and you should open up a law office.

michael adams

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

Beatriz wrote:

quote:

>
> That is false, I never have evaded service. Is it my fault that you
> obviously do not have the right address? My surname isn't Maranello
> either, that is a cherry, didn't you know? Not Marinello neither,
> never has been. I won't address you any more, you aren't worth it.
>
> Does anyone here know of potential assets that Mr S. Sloan may have?
> I believe there is an estate of his deceased mother to which he is
> arguing he has an entitlement. Does anyone here know how to get in
> touch with Mr Creighton Sloan?
>
> Is Sam Sloan still with his 'wife'? The dumb plump ugly one who did
> not listen to her mom's warnings about him and has ruined her life?
> Does anyone know her maiden name and how one could get in touch with
> members of her family back in Japan? I am confident when they know
> the whole score they would rescue the infant, maybe the mother too.
>
> Back home I know what gets done to men like him. The only reasons
> he doesn't he go back to Afghanistan where he belongs is that they
> don't pay Social Security there and also when he commits 'liable'
> as the indigent coward ignorantly called it the Afghan he abuses
> may give justice to him more directly than is possible in the US.

Oh! - I say, don't touch your cherries when chopping chillies - wuff,
wuff..

John Rowland

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41be30f5.19477578@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> When I was in Argentina, I read that 90%
> of the population of Argentina was of Italian origin.

And the other 10% are Welsh.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acr...069/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

michael adams

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

Mike Murray wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:09:29 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> By some coincidence, a friend of mine had almost the same identical
> experience while "making whoopee" a couple of months ago. He said it
> felt like he was hit on the head with a baseball bat.
>
> It was a brain aneurysm. He went to the hospital and was transported
> from there to Harborview in Seattle, where they had more expertise on
> such matters.
>
> He's about fifty. Good physical condition, etc.
>
> You need to go in and get checked ASAP.
>

Sam,

Mikes a good guy, he's picked up on your 60ans throttlings. Because your
a good Mussie (muslim) I think he's subtly hinting you will not live
forever, like JC for example, & that, in the end - it's better to
squirrel off to your Imman & beg effussions to the glans god-head than
to attempt your death all by yourself. Hope this helps you ahelluvalot,
Sammy, seriously..

Many 'gards,

Mickie..

Sam Sloan

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

On 13 Dec 2004 19:21:59 -0800, "Tyrone Slothrop"
<lttyroneslothrop@hotmail.com> wrote:

quote:

>
>Mike Murray wrote:
>brain.
>would
>having
>
>
>Although people with unruptured brain aneurysms may have headaches,
>this is often not associated with the actual aneurysm. Most people with
>unruptured brain aneurysms are completely asymptomatic have no
>symptoms, while others may experience some or all of the following
>symptoms, which suggest an aneurysm:
>- Cranial Nerve Palsy
>- Dilated Pupils
>- Double Vision
>- Pain Above and Behind Eye
>- Localized Headache
>
>People who suffer a ruptured brain aneurysm (subarachnoid hemorrhage)
>will often have warning signs. The following warning signs precede
>about 40% of major ruptures:
>- Localized Headache
>- Nausea & Vomiting
>- Stiff Neck
>- Blurred or Double Vision
>- Sensitivity to Light (photophobia)
>- Loss of Sensation
>
>Subarachnoid Hemorrhage -
>"Stabbing pain in my head,
>I need to lie down and go to bed.
>Please make it stop.
>This pain, this pop!
>This ringing in my ears,
>These stinging tears and tears.
>Call 911, that's 9-1-1!
>Please hurry, my life's just begun,
>It's not even close to being done." -H. Karp, SAH Survivor
>

I still feel a slight pain in my brain. It has not gone away. I am
going to the emergency room tomorrow. I cannot go today because my
wife has to work and I have to stay at home and take care of the baby.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bee604.65829390@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> I still feel a slight pain in my brain. It has not gone away. I am
> going to the emergency room tomorrow. I cannot go today because my
> wife has to work and I have to stay at home and take care of the baby.

Doesn't sound like an emergency then but i guess by going there you can
stiff them for the exam.

Jürgen R.

2004-12-17, 6:45 am

[...]

quote:

>I still feel a slight pain in my brain. It has not gone away. I am
>going to the emergency room tomorrow. I cannot go today because my
>wife has to work and I have to stay at home and take care of the baby.

Sell the stupid baby; rent out your ugly wife.

quote:

>
>Sam Sloan

Howard Sperm

2004-12-17, 9:45 am

"Tyrone Slothrop" > A Stroke is the ultimate "Brain Attack." It can strike
the young, Nothing is more frightening. >>

60 year old Sam Sloan posts that he felt like he was having a stroke while
he was banging his 38 year old wife. THIS IS THE USCF.

Tyrone Slothrop

2004-12-17, 9:45 am

Sounds like "Grade I" on the Hunt-Hess scale. See below (from
http://www.brain-surgery.com/aneurysm.html):

A Stroke is the ultimate "Brain Attack." It can strike the young,
healthy, productive head of a household during a soft, shared moment
with a spouse -- anytime. Nothing is more frightening. One might hear:
"I'm having the worst headache of my life!" Or, "Oh, my neck is so
stiff!" Then the victim might vomit, perhaps have a convulsion which
could leave them comatose and all bystanders truly frightened.
In the emergency room even the doctors look worried. The CAT scan shows
"blood around the brain," something doctors call a "subarachnoid
hemorrhage." There could possibly be other problems, such as a blot
clot in the brain itself ("intracerebral hemorrhage) and/or something
called "hydrocephalus" (water on the brain, building up after blood
cells have gradually clogged, the brain's drainage system).

There is lots to be done, and in a very short time frame. Backtracking
a bit, it is important to get an instant education on the "Brain
Attack."

Some basic questions:
What is a brain aneurysm?
How serious is the problem?
How did this problem come about in the first place?
Why this specific person?
What are the problems at hand?
Who can do what? Etc. Etc. Etc.

The Aneurysm
The brain is interesting for many reasons. Of prime importance, the
brain uses, pound for pound, more energy than any other part of the
body. It must be guaranteed just the right amount of blood for every
instant of its life in order to survive and function well. Of all of
the blood that the heart pumps, the brain needs the most. It weighs
about 5% of the body's total weight, yet it demands and monopolizes
about 20% of the volume the heart puts out. The blood vessels at the
base of the brain (these are the largest, and "smartest" of all
vessels) have the capability to control -- even commandeer -- blood to
supply the brain as conditions demand. When we lie down, these vessels
constrict automatically to prevent the brain from being flooded with an
over supply. And, when we jump up, these vessels have the James
Bond-like buttons built in, to make sure that the heart not only pumps
harder, but also that the other blood vessels open up enough to handle
the increased volume required by the brain. Thus, these blood vessels
have three things that are needed for survival:

Elasticity that allows them to keep their shape (like socks)
"Smooth muscle," that can be relaxed or tightened as conditions require

An electronic feedback system (i.e. sensors and nerves) that makes
everything work.
People who grow aneurysms have an inborn problem with the elasticity
part of these blood vessels. The elastic layer is not formed properly
(being randomly, rather than regularly organized). This weaker part of
the blood vessel begins to bulge and balloon over the years. It is this
bulge which is actually called the "aneurysm." It develops in places
where the pressure is greatest -- usually where the vessels divide into
multiple routes. It enlarges and enlarges, and enlarges further still.
Eventually, its chance of "popping" like an over inflated balloon
becomes real. When the local blood pressure exceeds the strength of
that vessel's weak point, the danger of rupture is at hand.

In these people, over the years of their lifetimes, and at the points
along these vessels where the defect in the elastic layer exists, a
gradual bulge and finally a balloon develops in places where the
pressure is greatest (usually where the vessels divide). Over time, the
result is a little (and ever-enlarging) balloon called an "aneurysm."
And, as for all balloons, the chance of "popping" becomes real when the
local blood pressure exceeds the strength of the balloon's wall at its
weakest point.

When they do pop, a surprisingly small amount of blood escapes, due to
the efficiency of the blood's clotting system. It's difficult to
imagine, but only 5 to 10 cc's of blood could be responsible for
causing such disastrous consequences! In those people whose aneurysms
bleed much more, death occurs even before they get arrive at the
hospital.

"Brain Attack"
1/3rd of people with ruptured aneuryms die before they get to the
hospital.

1/3rd die after they get to the hospital.

1/3rd survive after they get to the hospital. Of these, 40% end up with
neurological problems that make life difficult.

Let's look at the problems that occur after arrival at the hospital.
Then, the all important "how-to-prevent and/or fix" them as they arise.
First...

Truth and Consequences Solution
Hemorrhage? Statistics show death rate of 60%. Fix the aneurysm early

Hydrocephalus? An insult added to the injury Place a "shunt."

Vasospasm? The 1/3 who die after coming to the "Triple H" therapy

hospital

Preventing Second Hemorrhage
In the emergency room, the doctors will try everything to prevent the
small clot at the rupture point in the aneurysm from dissolving or
becoming dislodged altogether. They will concentrate on three things:

* Keeping the blood pressure spikes form occurring again. (Give blood
pressure medications, prevent anxiety attacks, keep the environment
calm).
* Giving drugs to prevent the clot from dissolving ("Amicar" can only
be used for the short-term, because it will cause blood clots in the
legs and lungs to become a problem.)
* Avoiding convulsions (drugs such as dilantin, phenobarbitol).
Once the patient is stable, and the full support team is assembled, the
definitive procedure to prevent re-bleeding can be undertaken: The
Operation.--

The operation has as its aim the "clippings" of the aneurysm at the
base of its neck (just like tying off a balloon), so that it is
eliminated from the blood circulation of the brain.

The aneurysm can be seen by a number of techniques, the most reliable
and accurate of which is an angiogram. A catheter is passed into the
vessels at the base of the brain and a radio-opaque dye (called
contrast) is injected while X-Rays are taken. This study sets up the
road map of the blood supply to the brain, and brings the anatomy of
the aneurysm to light. Other, less invasive ways to do angiography
include MRI scanning (MRAngiography) and the Spiral CT Scan using
intravenous rather than intraarterial contrast. These studies give a
3-D character to the images, making them particularly helpful to the
surgeon.

Aneurysms can also be cured by other techniques in selected cases. A
revolution (some call it a rapidly expanding evolution) is occuring in
the technology of "interventional radiology," allowing doctos to fill
aneurysms with metal coils, glue, balloons, and even "stents."(JR: What
is a stent?) There may well be a future in which surgery will become
the other option, if such rapid progress brings the hoped-for results.

The innumerable improvements and in microsurgical technology and
techniques, indicates that the least of the patient's problems is
surgery. Surgical morbidity and mortality is arbout 2 % (but up to 15%
for the most difficult of aneurysms), yet, it is the most frightening
part of the whole story. Surgery is, in point of fact, the least
threatening treatment. Patients and their families always look at the
surgeon strangely, when he says, "Surgery is the easy part overall!
Don't worry so much about that part of it; much more difficult hurdles
await during the next few weeks of therapy.

Preventing Hydrocephalus
20% of patients will develop (brain water) clogged CSF outflow
passageways, causing what is called "communicating" hydrocephalus.
Initial treatment might consist of the placement of a "lumbar drain"
(i.e. an ongoing spinal tap for 5-14 days.) If the hydrocephalus
persists, a CSF shunt (a tube, draining CSF from the ventricles in the
brain, tunneled beneath the skin, into another location such as the
chest or belly) could be placed for permanent drainage.

Preventing or Fighting Vasospasm
The real killer, after re-bleeding has been prevented, is vasospasm.
Vasospasm can easily cause second strokes, when a brain blood vessel
becomes so constricted that blood is prevented from entering the brain
altogether.

When an aneurysm ruptures, blood escapes and does not go into the
brain, but rather around it. The brain, like a permanent embryo, is
filled with and surrounded by water. When blood gets trapped there, the
red and white blood cells die and eventually disintegrate within 2 to 5
days. Imagine that each blood cell is nothing more than a simple bag
containing a complex variety of chemicals, some of which are very toxic
to the "smooth" muscle layer of the blood vessels arrayed around the
brain. When these vessels are bathed by such a combination of toxins,
their "smooth" muscles contract, causing the vessel to become so small
that blood is prevented from traveling to the brain tissue beyond.

Despite more than thirty years of painstaking research into the
problem, only three clinical treatments appear to be effective in
concert: the so-called "Triple H" therapy.

* Hemodilution -- lowering blood viscosity (thickness, like thick soup,
causes increased friction among blood cells, thereby reducing blood
flow and threatening blood supply), reducing its minimum
("hematrocrit") to around 32. High blood viscosity is extremely
dangerous in the face of potential vasospasm.
* Hyperdynamic State -- Increasing the amount of blood pumped to the
brain by the heart ("cardiac output") appears to keep the "pipes" open
by maintaining a continuous head of pressure in the system, and thereby
preventing vasospasm. A cardiac output is around 5 liters/minute (JM:
Is this the normal rate, or the rate desired to be achieved ?). With a
combination of intravascular volume expansion (lots of I.V. fluids) and
heart pumping medications (such as "dobutamine"), such a hyperdynamic
state can be achieved.

Predicting Outcome
Let us assume that the patient has arrived at the hospital, been seen
and evaluated by the doctors. They have news for you, and your
decisions will depend on what they tell you. The doctor can predict
with a fair degree of accuracy, what the future holds, even in the best
of circumstances. He will count on at least two factors: (1) the
Hunt-Hess score, and (2) the CT Scan grading scale. He will then factor
in such things as added problems, such as hydrocephalus, general
medical condition, age, and try to offer a realistic outlook for the
patient.

Hunt-Hess Score - a way to measure to status of the patient after
arriving at the hospital. In general, patients with scores of I - II do
well, while others do not. The scores are:

Grade 0: Only the morbidity of surgery and that of natural history
apply.
Grade I : After a small SAH, the only symptom is headache. The patient
is neurologically normal.
Grade II: The patient is not all there. "Goofy" is a good way to
describe this patient.
Grade III: Not only "goofy," but the patient has specific weakness of
an arm, a leg or the face.
Grade IV: Severe neurologic deficit. This patient has great trouble.
Grade V: Vegetative state. A most horrible outcome.

Sam Sloan wrote:

quote:

> On 13 Dec 2004 19:21:59 -0800, "Tyrone Slothrop"
> <lttyroneslothrop@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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> I still feel a slight pain in my brain. It has not gone away. I am
> going to the emergency room tomorrow. I cannot go today because my
> wife has to work and I have to stay at home and take care of the

baby.

quote:

>
> Sam Sloan

Spam Scone

2004-12-17, 9:45 am

nowhereman wrote:

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> :
>
> Hello? Anybody home? Are you really *that* dumb?

He is.

irvin

2004-12-17, 9:45 am

quote:

> What is the Immigration Status of Beatriz Marinello?
>
> Somebody posted to this group that Beatriz Marinello is a US citizen.
> I am almost certain that this is not true. I do know that she had
> difficulty withdrawing $513,000 from the Key Bank in Newburgh because
> of questions related to her immigration status. Then, the judge froze
> the account and for that reason the money is still there.
>
> One reason that I believe that it is unlikely that Beatriz is a US
> Citizen is that I know several other immigrants who have been in the
> US longer than Beatriz and they have not been able to become citizens
> yet. Of course, it is entirely possible that Beatriz got her papers
> through faster than others.
>
> Another factor is that Beatriz got her green card by being married
> very briefly to a chess player. The law has been changed so that now a
> green card expires if the persons do not remain married for two years.
> The marriage between Beatriz and this chess player lasted a lot less
> than two years, although it is possible that a paper marriage between
> them lasted longer than that.
>
> The first tournament that Beatriz Marinello played in on the USCF MSA
> database took place in December 1991. I believe that Beatriz first
> came to the USA in 1990.
>
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12537449.2
>
> Beatriz is from Chile. Another curious fact is that I can find no
> record of Beatriz playing in any Womans Tournaments in Chile at all.
> When she came to the USA, she was clearly a master strength player,
> which would make her by far the strongest female chess player in
> Chile. Yet, on the Chess Databases, there are no recorded games or
> tournament results of any kind in which the name of Beatriz Marinello
> appears.
>
> According to the fide.com ratings database, Beatriz Marinello was on
> May 14, 1964.
>
> http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?event=2005484
>
> Most chess players reach their peak strength by their late 20s. When
> Beatriz came to America, she would have been 26. By then, she must
> have been a master. I do not recall seeing her at the 1986 World Chess
> Olympiad in Dubai 1986 or at the World Chess Olympiad in Thessaloniki
> 1988. I was at both Olympiads and I am always looking at the girls. I
> do not remember seeing Beatriz there, but I could easily have missed
> her. By then, she would certainly have been strong enough to play
> first board for the team from Chile.
>
> http://www.samsloan.com/polgars.htm
>
> What I suspect is that she has another name. She even spells her first
> name two different ways: Beatriz and Beatrice. I have seen her spell
> it both ways.
>
> Her last name indicates Italian origin. The ll combination sounds like
> a y in Spanish.
>
> It is definitely odd that the strongest woman chess player from Chile
> and one of the strongest in all of South America never played a
> published chess game or reported tournament result in Chile or
> anywhere else in South America, at least not that I can find.
>
> Right after she was elected USCF President in August 2003, Beatriz was
> diagnosed with kidney disease and she went back to Chile reportedly to
> seek a kidney transplant from one of her relatives there. She came
> back after two months. Therefore, she must have legal entry papers.
>
> Last month, Beatriz went to Spain for the World Chess Olympiad, and
> now she is back again, so she must have a legal visa.
>
> However, we have a right to inquire as to her legal status. We are
> about to hire her as Acting Executive Director of the USCF, a salaried
> position. We are legally required to see her WORKING PAPERS before
> giving her a job. Beatriz needs to be carrying a work permit from the
> INS Department of Homeland Security and we are required by law to ask
> her to show it.
>
> When she takes office as ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR as currently
> scheduled on December 20, 2004, Beatriz Marinello will have complete
> control over all of the USCF funds, not only the $513,000 in the
> account holding the proceeds from the sale of the building (assuming
> that the account is unfrozen by that time), but also the general
> account from which employee salaries and bills are paid. Beatriz will
> be given access to nearly one million dollars in USCF funds.
>
> Can we really afford to give control over such a large amount of money
> to someone whose immigrations status and perhaps even her real name is
> unknown?
>
> Sam Sloan

irvin

2004-12-17, 9:45 am

quote:

> Sam:
>
> Do a Google search for (write it exactly like this!): "beatriz" "ajedrez"
> "chile"
>
> You'll get her last name: Mancilla.
>
> http://www.linach.cl/modules.php?na...article&sid=104
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Irvin
> -------------------------
> http://www.pixel69.com
>
>
> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41bc5d1a.13587718@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>

GrantPerks

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm

Ismail Sloan wrote:

quote:

>
>The Law according to Stan Booz. Too bad that is not the law according
>to George W. Bush and his Department of Homeland Security.

Same law.

quote:

> Every time she applies for a job, they ask to see her
>work authorization card. No card, no job, they say, even though she
>has a Social Security Card and a Dirvers License.

quote:

>As far as I am aware, Beatriz has never had a normal salaried job
>since she has been in the US, except for when she worked for the USCF
>as the Scholastic Director. I have found out that they did not inquire
>as to her immigration status when they gave her that job.
>

Gee, they insisted on my drivers license and birth certificate when I worked
there.

quote:

>
>Don't you think it is noteworthy that Beatriz has never had a regular
>job since she has been in the US, other than working for the USCF? .
>
>Don't you think that is remarkable?
>

I think it is great that we have chess professionals that can make a living
being self-employed in the US.

Grant Perks

Sam Sloan

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm

On 12 Dec 2004 21:05:43 GMT, gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote:

quote:

>Ismail Sloan wrote:
>
>Same law.
>
>
>There are three types of SS cards, one for citizens, one for aliens without
>work authorization, and one for aliens with work authorization from USCIS.
>
>The SS card with work rights is marked "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS
>AUTHORIZATION." Thus, if this is the type of card your wife has she must
>present her work authorization card from USCIS.

You are correct. I just checked. It says:

"VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION."

She got the card before the DHS, Department of Homeland Security, had
been formed.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bcb5da.36308453@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> You are correct. I just checked. It says:
>
> "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH INS AUTHORIZATION."

So much for the law according to Sam Sloan. Time to troll about something
else.

StanB

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41bce8d3.49357156@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> I will be here, unlike you, who has been evading service of process
> for the past three weeks.

Spam Scone

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm

StanB wrote:

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41bce8d3.49357156@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> As the Table Turns. Stay tuned for the next exciting episode. Will

Sam get

quote:

> his just deserts? Will Sam be accused of taking money for the

practice of

quote:

> law? Will ICC prevail in its suit against Billy G.? Same time, same

station.

Why is ICC suing Goichberg?

Chess One

2004-12-17, 5:46 pm