Chess politics - Hitting a TD

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Hitting a TD

Jan Newton

2004-11-19, 12:46 am

Did a parent strike a TD at the National Youth Action?

J Newton

Boyd M Reed

2004-11-19, 5:46 pm

"Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com> wrote in message news:<2846be1e58332c55ce7ad31667e777b5@news.meganetnews.com>...

quote:

> Did a parent strike a TD at the National Youth Action?
>
> J Newton

The short answer is "yes". I was the K-6 section chief, and another
TD was hit (pushed) by a parent on the tournament floor.

<soapbox>

Perhaps someday, the USCF scholastic powers will decide to close the
floors at national events to all but active participants and staff
(which will lead to cheering from all except pushy parents and
coaches).

I know the parents pay the freight, most of them aren't really pushy,
and there are really only a few bad apples, but some major incident
surrounding parents breaks out every time they're allowed in the
playing hall.

</soapbox>

Just my $0.002 (inflation adjusted),

-bmr-

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-20, 12:45 am

They should include *all parents at all events*. It will be better for the
kids and better for everyone. I believe Ken Thomas forbids parents from
watching their kids' games from any angle where the kid can see them.

At Liberty Bell last year an angry-looking yuppie parent entered his kid in
the U-2200 and in one round the poor lad played me. He didn't stand behind
me -- to my knowledge -- but he was still a pain in the XXX. I hope he's
reading this because he'll know who he is. After over-matching his kid, who
went something like 0-3 or 0-4, he *re-entered* him in the same section.
Pathetic.

Anyway, this ogre kept popping into my field of vision, frowning, grimacing,
making little noises. I was sure he was a coach because I was under the
impression that no parent would or should do that to their kid. Naaaa. At
one point I was up an exchange and the poor kid huddled with his father,
then came back and resigned. I was astounded. Yeah I was winning, but no way
was the position resignable. I've been known to throw away a win here and
there. As I shook his hand I asked him why he was resigning. Before he could
answer "dad" popped up again and said his kid was tired, he was losing, and
didn't feel like playing on.

This kid will never be a Robert Hess or Nakamura, both of whom were/are left
alone by their fathers.

adp

"Boyd M Reed" <blitzburgh64@aol.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:<2846be1e58332c55ce7ad31667e777b5@news.meganetnews.com>...
>
> The short answer is "yes". I was the K-6 section chief, and another
> TD was hit (pushed) by a parent on the tournament floor.
>
> <soapbox>
>
> Perhaps someday, the USCF scholastic powers will decide to close the
> floors at national events to all but active participants and staff
> (which will lead to cheering from all except pushy parents and
> coaches).
>
> I know the parents pay the freight, most of them aren't really pushy,
> and there are really only a few bad apples, but some major incident
> surrounding parents breaks out every time they're allowed in the
> playing hall.
>
> </soapbox>
>
> Just my $0.002 (inflation adjusted),
>
> -bmr-

Spam Scone

2004-11-20, 5:46 pm

"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message news:<1pWdnfdtodgN4APcRVn-2w@garden.net>...

quote:

> They should include *all parents at all events*. It will be better for the
> kids and better for everyone. I believe Ken Thomas forbids parents from
> watching their kids' games from any angle where the kid can see them.
>
> At Liberty Bell last year an angry-looking yuppie parent entered his kid in
> the U-2200 and in one round the poor lad played me. He didn't stand behind
> me -- to my knowledge -- but he was still a pain in the XXX. I hope he's
> reading this because he'll know who he is. After over-matching his kid, who
> went something like 0-3 or 0-4, he *re-entered* him in the same section.
> Pathetic.
>
> Anyway, this ogre kept popping into my field of vision, frowning, grimacing,
> making little noises. I was sure he was a coach because I was under the
> impression that no parent would or should do that to their kid. Naaaa. At
> one point I was up an exchange and the poor kid huddled with his father,
> then came back and resigned. I was astounded. Yeah I was winning, but no way
> was the position resignable. I've been known to throw away a win here and
> there. As I shook his hand I asked him why he was resigning. Before he could
> answer "dad" popped up again and said his kid was tired, he was losing, and
> didn't feel like playing on.
>
> This kid will never be a Robert Hess or Nakamura, both of whom were/are left
> alone by their fathers.
>
> adp

Nakamura's shadow Sunil has been known to follow the kid's opponents
into the mens room to make sure they aren't cheating.

Lady Chatterly

2004-11-21, 6:55 am

In article <76ba5964.0411200658.1c5cbbe3@posting.google.com> tartakover11@hotmail.com (Spam Scone) wrote:

quote:

>
>"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message news:<1pWdnfdtodgN4APcRVn-2w@garden.net>...
>
>Nakamura's shadow Sunil has been known to follow the kid's opponents
>into the mens room to make sure they aren't cheating.

What makes you so certain?

--
Lady Chatterly

"I'm starting to like this bot." -- Me

Sam Sloan

2004-11-21, 9:45 am

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:34:06 GMT, "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Did a parent strike a TD at the National Youth Action?
>
>J Newton

Yes. The TD who was hit was Tim Just. He was trying to expel a parent
who was hovering over a game and disturbing the opponent.

Sam Sloan

Jan Newton

2004-11-21, 9:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41a09f48.8500765@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:34:06 GMT, "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Yes. The TD who was hit was Tim Just. He was trying to expel a parent
> who was hovering over a game and disturbing the opponent.
>
> Sam Sloan

I hope that USCF provides severe punishment. With things like the recent
NBA brawl, we certainly can't have TD's fearing for their safety when
running a chess tournament. I would think a minimum of a suspension plus a
fine to regain the membership would be appropriate.

J Newton

Spam Scone

2004-11-21, 5:46 pm

Lady Chatterly <tartakover11@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message news:<5f87e8d.09f2f87a@ausi.com>...

quote:

> In article <76ba5964.0411200658.1c5cbbe3@posting.google.com> tartakover11@hotmail.com (Spam Scone) wrote:
>
> What makes you so certain?

Saw it happen.

KidDon

2004-11-22, 9:45 am

blitzburgh64@aol.com (Boyd M Reed) wrote in message news:<f49c96ea.0411191154.489667bf@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com> wrote in message news:<2846be1e58332c55ce7ad31667e777b5@news.meganetnews.com>...
>
> The short answer is "yes". I was the K-6 section chief, and another
> TD was hit (pushed) by a parent on the tournament floor.
>
> <soapbox>
>
> Perhaps someday, the USCF scholastic powers will decide to close the
> floors at national events to all but active participants and staff
> (which will lead to cheering from all except pushy parents and
> coaches).

(snip)

quote:

> -bmr-

______________________________________

Having attended quite a few USCF National events, I agree completely.
All but active participants and staff should be banned from the
playing halls. Coupled with this, however, the organizers will have
to make sure that there is adequate space outside of the playing halls
for all of the parents, etc... Otherwise, you end up with parents
packed like sardines right outside of the playing hall doors, with
noise pouring into the playing halls, especially when the doors are
opened to let players in and out. There needs to be an adequate
buffer area and space.

kiddon

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

I've played Nakamura once or twice in tournaments and have seen him in
several others, stretching back to when he was an expert. I've also played
him half a dozen blitz games with his father nearby. I never noticed any
antisocial behavior from Sunil, or heard any complaints about his behavior.

adp

"Spam Scone" <tartakover11@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:<1pWdnfdtodgN4APcRVn-2w@garden.net>...
>
> Nakamura's shadow Sunil has been known to follow the kid's opponents
> into the mens room to make sure they aren't cheating.

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

So in other words you were watching Sunil watch Hikaru play. Nak's opponent
got up to take a leak, Sunil followed him, and you followed Sunil. Did
anyone follow you?

Following men two men you don't know into the bathroom doesn't make you a
bad person.

Did you see their wienies?

adp

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quote:

> Lady Chatterly <tartakover11@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message
> news:<5f87e8d.09f2f87a@ausi.com>...
>
> Saw it happen.

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

This is a bad idea. Watching chess games is fun. Parents who accompany their
kids to tournaments deserve to watch games if they enjoy doing so. They
should be discrete, especially w/ respect to their own children's games.
They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
opponents. I'd be satisfied with that.

adp

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quote:

> blitzburgh64@aol.com (Boyd M Reed) wrote in message
> news:<f49c96ea.0411191154.489667bf@posting.google.com>...
>
> (snip)
>
> ______________________________________
>
> Having attended quite a few USCF National events, I agree completely.
> All but active participants and staff should be banned from the
> playing halls. Coupled with this, however, the organizers will have
> to make sure that there is adequate space outside of the playing halls
> for all of the parents, etc... Otherwise, you end up with parents
> packed like sardines right outside of the playing hall doors, with
> noise pouring into the playing halls, especially when the doors are
> opened to let players in and out. There needs to be an adequate
> buffer area and space.
>
> kiddon

GrantPerks

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

quote:

>This is a bad idea.

Actually, its a great idea.

quote:

> Watching chess games is fun.

Agreed.

quote:

>Parents who accompany their
>kids to tournaments deserve to watch games if they enjoy doing so.

Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
game be a fair match.

quote:

> They
>should be discrete, especially w/ respect to their own children's games.
>They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
>concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
>faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
>opponents.

My experience has shown that they won't.
They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
children of cheating against their child.

Grant Perks

Fifiela

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

<They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
opponents.>

Not in this universe.

Jeremy Spinrad

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

I don't know what the answer is, but will throw in a few observations.

95% of the parents are not a problem. Some small number of parents cause real
problems. It seems debatable as to whether to cause a mild disappointment to the
95% in order to avoid the serious problems.

Perhaps matters are worse in bigger events; I am talking here about local
tournaments. Most of the worst incidents I have seen are parents being mean to
their own children; it isn't clear whether these would be softened by not
observing their blunders.

I feel uncomfortable being in the room with my daughter, for fear of
inadvertently giving signals (eg sudden interest in position could cause her to
realize it was time to think hard). However, she prefers me to be in the room,
and this is a confident 6th grader rather than a younger child.

I just was assisting on the floor (and parent) in a 200 person tournament.
Parents were allowed to stand on the sides of the room. There were not any
incidents.

Jerry Spinrad

In article <20041122105541.11425.00000906@mb-m29.aol.com>, gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) writes:
|> >
|> >This is a bad idea.
|>
|> Actually, its a great idea.
|>
|> > Watching chess games is fun.
|>
|> Agreed.
|>
|> >Parents who accompany their
|> >kids to tournaments deserve to watch games if they enjoy doing so.
|>
|> Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
|> game be a fair match.
|>
|> > They
|> >should be discrete, especially w/ respect to their own children's games.
|> >They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
|> >concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
|> >faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
|> >opponents.
|>
|> My experience has shown that they won't.
|> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
|> children of cheating against their child.
|>
|> Grant Perks
|>

Fifiela

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

<<<Parents were allowed to stand on the sides of the room. There were not any
incidents.>>>

That is my policy except that I always clear the room for the last round.

My tournaments range from 100-200.

Rafael Rodriguez

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

Listen to Perks. He knows what he is talking about.

gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote in message news:<20041122105541.11425.00000906@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Actually, its a great idea.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
> game be a fair match.
>
>
> My experience has shown that they won't.
> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
> children of cheating against their child.
>
> Grant Perks

Kevin L. Bachler

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

In article <2b-dnUuB-oxcnD_cRVn-3g@garden.net>, Angelo DePalma says...

quote:

>
>
>This is a bad idea. Watching chess games is fun. Parents who accompany their
>kids to tournaments deserve to watch games if they enjoy doing so. They
>should be discrete, especially w/ respect to their own children's games.
>They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
>concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
>faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
>opponents. I'd be satisfied with that.

Yet, when offered the choice, I have yet to be at a tournament where the kids
chose to have the parents in the room.

Is the tournament primarily for the kids, or primarily for the parents?

--
Kevin L. Bachler

Kevin L. Bachler

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

In article <cnt9dd$65c$1@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Jeremy Spinrad says...
SNIP

quote:

>
>I just was assisting on the floor (and parent) in a 200 person tournament.
>Parents were allowed to stand on the sides of the room. There were not any
>incidents.
>
>Jerry Spinrad

I remember running a tournament where parents weren't let in and I had to take a
cell phone from a kid who was talking to his father.

But Jerry, I would ask this. What could the parents really see from the sides
of the room?

After awhile I stopped watching my students (except in events like team matches
where they may actively need a coach present.) What I found is that if I
inadvertently waived across the room to an old friend who I hadn't seen in 10
years, as a master I was especially susceptible to claims of signaling. So I
just stayed away and went over the games with the students later.

The key was learning that I was there for my nerves, not for the students. I
just trained them to get me if they needed any help. and stayed away.

--
Kevin L. Bachler

Kevin L. Bachler

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

In article <cnt9dd$65c$1@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Jeremy Spinrad says...
SNIP

quote:

>
>I just was assisting on the floor (and parent) in a 200 person tournament.
>Parents were allowed to stand on the sides of the room. There were not any
>incidents.
>
>Jerry Spinrad

HAASpittle

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

Boy, I am glad I'm not involved with the organization of kiddie chess.

Old Haasie

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

Grant,

Most parents are fine. It's nice to see them at tournaments. I'm happy to
see them interested in the games. It would be a shame to punish all when the
few bad apples could be dealt with individually.

Back in 1970 the parents of one of the Collins Kids used to park themselves
right next to their son during games. One time I was playing this kid and I
was up 2 rooks, a bishop, and several pawns. He was taking forever to move
and wouldn't resign. I was bored so I picked up my MCO and started flipping
through it. Sure enough the father accused me of cheating.

Half of my opponents these days at weekend tournaments are kids. I've only
had one problem, which I already related here. Thinking back, I probably
could have defused the situation myself either by talking to the guy or
asking the TD to talk to him.

Chess players are a bit too sensitive about this issue in my opinion.

Angelo

"GrantPerks" <gperks2@aol.comnojunk> wrote

quote:

> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
> children of cheating against their child.

KidDon

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote in message news:<20041122105541.11425.00000906@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Actually, its a great idea.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
> game be a fair match.
>
>
> My experience has shown that they won't.
> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
> children of cheating against their child.
>
> Grant Perks

____________________________
I was at a National Scholastic tournament about 5 or 6 years ago when
Ken Sloan was running (or at least appeared to be running) the K-1
section. When Ken made the announcement that it was time for the
parents to leave, the kids cheered and chanted: "Go away. Go away."

kiddon

Fifiela

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

<<<Yet, when offered the choice, I have yet to be at a tournament where the
kids
chose to have the parents in the room.>>>

When I cleared the room of parents at my last tournament for the last round (as
I always do), I got the biggest aplause of the day from the kids. I'm sure the
kids would have been happy to see the parents gone a few rounds earlier.

GrantPerks

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

>I was at a National Scholastic tournament about 5 or 6 years ago when

quote:

>Ken Sloan was running (or at least appeared to be running) the K-1
>section. When Ken made the announcement that it was time for the
>parents to leave, the kids cheered and chanted: "Go away. Go away."
>
>kiddon
>

As a chess parent I too enjoyed watching my children's games. When I noticed
that there appeared to be a relationship between me watching my son's game and
the frequency of his blundering, I stopped watching.

At a recent tournament a parent peeking through a glass door accused a child of
recieving assistance from another boy. The parent, an off-duty police officer
wanted me to throw the kid out of the tournament. After talking to various
children it turned out that the boy had done nothing wrong.

Convencing the parent of this took a lot of my energy and time, delaying me
from other duties. There were even racial comments made during the heated
discussions.

Next year the glass door will be covered.

Grant Perks

drahmiel

2004-11-24, 12:46 am

Once the mother of a student that I had taught played my little brother. The
mother had always been extremely nice to me in the past. My brother was a far
stronger player than her daughter and won the game easily. The next time I saw
the mother I said hello and she gave me the dirtiest of dirty looks. This
continued every time I had seen her subsequently.

Turned out that during the game, my brother had gotten up, and seeing me, asked
me where the bathroom was. I found out from a TD that the mother had witnessed
this and reported me for cheating.

What a world we live in....

Sam Sloan

2004-11-24, 12:46 am

There was an incident at the World Open a few years ago. I was playing
some little kid. I played 1. g4 and fairly soon a wild position
developed, unknown to opening theory.

The kid went into a long think. I got up to go to the men's room. On
my way, a woman came up behind me and asked me a question. Not
realizing who she was I politely answered.

After leaving the men's room, I began thinking about this and
eventually I realized that she was the mother of my opponent. I went
to Goichberg and inquired and found out that, sure enough, she had
conplained to the tournament director that I was cheating.

She was apparently convinced that I was looking up the position of our
game in some opening book. If she had known anything about chess, she
would have realized that the position in our game had never occured
before in all of human history, nor was it likely ever to occur again.

Sam Sloan

Spam Scone

2004-11-24, 6:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<41a40b2c.31237640@ca.news.verio.net>...

I will attempt a translation from Sam Sloan into the truth.

quote:

> There was an incident at the World Open a few years ago. I was playing
> some little kid. I played 1. g4 and fairly soon a wild position
> developed, unknown to opening theory.
>
> The kid went into a long think. I got up to go to the men's room.

Actually, it was the bookstore. Sam's memory is failing him.

On

quote:

> my way, a woman came up behind me and asked me a question.

A woman asked Sam a question while he was busy looking at a chess
video.

Not

quote:

> realizing who she was I politely answered.
> After leaving the men's room,

Book store.

I began thinking about this and

quote:

> eventually I realized that she was the mother of my opponent.

He realized it after a TD came and got him. The TD decided to speak to
Sloan on his own initiative, as soon as his name was mentioned; the
woman just asked if Sloan's behavior was outside the rules.

I went

quote:

> to Goichberg and inquired and found out that, sure enough, she had
> conplained to the tournament director that I was cheating.

You found out after the TD pulled you aside. You then blew up at the
woman who filed the complaint. This whole sorry mess was what prompted
Bisguier's description of Sam Sloan: "A boil on the XXX of chess."

quote:

> She was apparently convinced that I was looking up the position of our
> game in some opening book. If she had known anything about chess, she
> would have realized that the position in our game had never occured
> before in all of human history, nor was it likely ever to occur again.
>
> Sam Sloan

Jerzy

2004-11-24, 6:45 am

"Spam Scone" <tartakover11@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> I will attempt a translation from Sam Sloan into the truth.
>

I must say that here are many "truths", every user has his own "truth",
among them there`s Spam Scone`s "truth"

))

Regards,

Jerzy

StanB

2004-11-24, 9:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> There was an incident at the World Open a few years ago. I was playing
> some little kid. I played 1. g4 and fairly soon a wild position
> developed, unknown to opening theory.
>
> The kid went into a long think. I got up to go to the men's room. On
> my way, a woman came up behind me and asked me a question. Not
> realizing who she was I politely answered.
>
> After leaving the men's room, I began thinking about this and
> eventually I realized that she was the mother of my opponent. I went
> to Goichberg and inquired and found out that, sure enough, she had
> conplained to the tournament director that I was cheating.

I heard about this at that WO from non other than his Samness. He told me a
different story then. He said he had never seen that position before and he
went to bookstore to see if it had been mentioned in any book. She saw him
rummaging through the books and rightfully reported him.

Sam Sloan

2004-11-24, 5:46 pm

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:20:31 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
>news:41a40b2c.31237640@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
>I heard about this at that WO from non other than his Samness. He told me a
>different story then. He said he had never seen that position before and he
>went to bookstore to see if it had been mentioned in any book. She saw him
>rummaging through the books and rightfully reported him.

This is typical of the usual Bullshit we are constantly hearing from
Stan Booz. I never made any such statement and obviously never would
have. It is however possible that, as Neil Brennen says, I walked past
the video which was showing Dzindzishavili showing one of his crazy
opening lines, that I glanced at the video and the mother was
complaining about that.

I did not hear the mother's complaint and I do not believe that she
actually made an official complaint, so I do not know what exactly she
was complaining about.

It is 100% sure that Stan Booz is lying, however.

Sam Sloan

Jeremy Spinrad

2004-11-24, 5:46 pm

StanB

2004-11-24, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> This is typical of the usual Bullshit we are constantly hearing from
> Stan Booz. I never made any such statement and obviously never would
> have. It is however possible that, as Neil Brennen says, I walked past
> the video which was showing Dzindzishavili showing one of his crazy
> opening lines, that I glanced at the video and the mother was
> complaining about that.

So the spin begins. The videos were not on the way to the bathroom.

quote:

> I did not hear the mother's complaint and I do not believe that she
> actually made an official complaint, so I do not know what exactly she
> was complaining about.
>
> It is 100% sure that Stan Booz is lying, however.

Want to bet a lie detector test? When is the last time you paid your rent
for more than six months straight?

Fifiela

2004-11-24, 5:46 pm

Spam Scone

2004-11-25, 12:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message news:<1NednZMUHewwBTncRVn-uA@comcast.com>...

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41a40b2c.31237640@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> I heard about this at that WO from non other than his Samness. He told me a
> different story then. He said he had never seen that position before and he
> went to bookstore to see if it had been mentioned in any book. She saw him
> rummaging through the books and rightfully reported him.

Sloan's comment when the chess mom asked him what he was doing was
along the lines of 'this is a very common position.' My memory of the
incident was that a videotape was involved, but I can't see Sloan
walking all the way to the bookstore just to view a videotape to kill
time between moves. Regardless, Scammie's version with the mens room
is a lie.

Spam Scone

2004-11-25, 12:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<41a4a661.70971125@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:20:31 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> This is typical of the usual Bullshit we are constantly hearing from
> Stan Booz. I never made any such statement and obviously never would
> have. It is however possible that, as Neil Brennen says, I walked past
> the video which was showing Dzindzishavili showing one of his crazy
> opening lines, that I glanced at the video and the mother was
> complaining about that.

Mr. Sloan, if you were going to the men's room at the Adam's Mark
between moves, how did you get to walk by the bookstore? They are in
different areas.

quote:

> I did not hear the mother's complaint and I do not believe that she
> actually made an official complaint, so I do not know what exactly she
> was complaining about.
>
> It is 100% sure that Stan Booz is lying, however.

It is much more likely that you are lying again, Scammie.

Spam Scone

2004-11-26, 6:45 am

Lady Chatterly <tartakover11@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message news:<5f87e8d.09f2f87a@ausi.com>...

quote:

> In article <76ba5964.0411200658.1c5cbbe3@posting.google.com> tartakover11@hotmail.com (Spam Scone) wrote:
>
> What makes you so certain?

Saw it happen.

KidDon

2004-11-26, 6:45 am

blitzburgh64@aol.com (Boyd M Reed) wrote in message news:<f49c96ea.0411191154.489667bf@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com> wrote in message news:<2846be1e58332c55ce7ad31667e777b5@news.meganetnews.com>...
>
> The short answer is "yes". I was the K-6 section chief, and another
> TD was hit (pushed) by a parent on the tournament floor.
>
> <soapbox>
>
> Perhaps someday, the USCF scholastic powers will decide to close the
> floors at national events to all but active participants and staff
> (which will lead to cheering from all except pushy parents and
> coaches).

(snip)

quote:

> -bmr-

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-26, 6:45 am

quote:

> blitzburgh64@aol.com (Boyd M Reed) wrote in message
> news:<f49c96ea.0411191154.489667bf@posting.google.com>...
>
> (snip)
>
> ______________________________________
>
> Having attended quite a few USCF National events, I agree completely.
> All but active participants and staff should be banned from the
> playing halls. Coupled with this, however, the organizers will have
> to make sure that there is adequate space outside of the playing halls
> for all of the parents, etc... Otherwise, you end up with parents
> packed like sardines right outside of the playing hall doors, with
> noise pouring into the playing halls, especially when the doors are
> opened to let players in and out. There needs to be an adequate
> buffer area and space.
>
> kiddon

Rafael Rodriguez

2004-11-26, 5:45 pm

Listen to Perks. He knows what he is talking about.

gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote in message news:<20041122105541.11425.00000906@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Actually, its a great idea.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
> game be a fair match.
>
>
> My experience has shown that they won't.
> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
> children of cheating against their child.
>
> Grant Perks

Lady Chatterly

2004-11-27, 12:45 am

In article <76ba5964.0411200658.1c5cbbe3@posting.google.com> tartakover11@hotmail.com (Spam Scone) wrote:

quote:

>
>"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message news:<1pWdnfdtodgN4APcRVn-2w@garden.net>...
>
>Nakamura's shadow Sunil has been known to follow the kid's opponents
>into the mens room to make sure they aren't cheating.

What makes you so certain?

--
Lady Chatterly

"I'm starting to like this bot." -- Me

Fifiela

2004-11-27, 5:46 pm

drahmiel

2004-11-27, 5:46 pm

Sam Sloan

2004-11-27, 5:46 pm

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:34:06 GMT, "Jan Newton" <jnewton834@aol.com>
wrote:

quote:

>Did a parent strike a TD at the National Youth Action?
>
>J Newton

Yes. The TD who was hit was Tim Just. He was trying to expel a parent
who was hovering over a game and disturbing the opponent.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-11-27, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41a40b2c.31237640@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> There was an incident at the World Open a few years ago. I was playing
> some little kid. I played 1. g4 and fairly soon a wild position
> developed, unknown to opening theory.
>
> The kid went into a long think. I got up to go to the men's room. On
> my way, a woman came up behind me and asked me a question. Not
> realizing who she was I politely answered.
>
> After leaving the men's room, I began thinking about this and
> eventually I realized that she was the mother of my opponent. I went
> to Goichberg and inquired and found out that, sure enough, she had
> conplained to the tournament director that I was cheating.

StanB

2004-11-28, 6:48 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41a4a661.70971125@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> This is typical of the usual Bullshit we are constantly hearing from
> Stan Booz. I never made any such statement and obviously never would
> have. It is however possible that, as Neil Brennen says, I walked past
> the video which was showing Dzindzishavili showing one of his crazy
> opening lines, that I glanced at the video and the mother was
> complaining about that.

So the spin begins. The videos were not on the way to the bathroom.

quote:

> I did not hear the mother's complaint and I do not believe that she
> actually made an official complaint, so I do not know what exactly she
> was complaining about.
>
> It is 100% sure that Stan Booz is lying, however.

Want to bet a lie detector test? When is the last time you paid your rent
for more than six months straight?

Spam Scone

2004-11-28, 6:48 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message news:<1NednZMUHewwBTncRVn-uA@comcast.com>...

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:41a40b2c.31237640@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> I heard about this at that WO from non other than his Samness. He told me a
> different story then. He said he had never seen that position before and he
> went to bookstore to see if it had been mentioned in any book. She saw him
> rummaging through the books and rightfully reported him.

Spam Scone

2004-11-28, 6:48 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<41a4a661.70971125@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:20:31 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> This is typical of the usual Bullshit we are constantly hearing from
> Stan Booz. I never made any such statement and obviously never would
> have. It is however possible that, as Neil Brennen says, I walked past
> the video which was showing Dzindzishavili showing one of his crazy
> opening lines, that I glanced at the video and the mother was
> complaining about that.

Mr. Sloan, if you were going to the men's room at the Adam's Mark
between moves, how did you get to walk by the bookstore? They are in
different areas.

quote:

> I did not hear the mother's complaint and I do not believe that she
> actually made an official complaint, so I do not know what exactly she
> was complaining about.
>
> It is 100% sure that Stan Booz is lying, however.

It is much more likely that you are lying again, Scammie.

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

quote:

> Lady Chatterly <tartakover11@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in message
> news:<5f87e8d.09f2f87a@ausi.com>...
>
> Saw it happen.

Angelo DePalma

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

quote:

> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:<1pWdnfdtodgN4APcRVn-2w@garden.net>...
>
> Nakamura's shadow Sunil has been known to follow the kid's opponents
> into the mens room to make sure they aren't cheating.

Kevin L. Bachler

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

In article <2b-dnUuB-oxcnD_cRVn-3g@garden.net>, Angelo DePalma says...

quote:

>
>
>This is a bad idea. Watching chess games is fun. Parents who accompany their
>kids to tournaments deserve to watch games if they enjoy doing so. They
>should be discrete, especially w/ respect to their own children's games.
>They should be respectful of their child's (and his/her opp's) effort and
>concentration, and not let their kid see them glaring at the board. No
>faces, no grimaces, no conferences, no unsportsmanlike comments to
>opponents. I'd be satisfied with that.

Kevin L. Bachler

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

In article <cnt9dd$65c$1@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Jeremy Spinrad says...
SNIP

quote:

>
>I just was assisting on the floor (and parent) in a 200 person tournament.
>Parents were allowed to stand on the sides of the room. There were not any
>incidents.
>
>Jerry Spinrad

KidDon

2004-11-29, 9:46 am

gperks2@aol.comnojunk (GrantPerks) wrote in message news:<20041122105541.11425.00000906@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Actually, its a great idea.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Parents who accompany their kids to tournament deserve to have their child's
> game be a fair match.
>
>
> My experience has shown that they won't.
> They will smile, frown, make other gestures. Worse of all they will accuse
> children of cheating against their child.
>
> Grant Perks

GrantPerks

2004-11-29, 9:46 am

>I was at a National Scholastic tournament about 5 or 6 years ago when

quote:

>Ken Sloan was running (or at least appeared to be running) the K-1
>section. When Ken made the announcement that it was time for the
>parents to leave, the kids cheered and chanted: "Go away. Go away."
>
>kiddon
>