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Sloan vs. Marinello, Affidavit in Support of Order to Show Cause

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:00 pm

SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF ORANGE
_______________________________________________

Sam Sloan,

Petitioner,
INDEX
No. 2004-7739
-against-

Affidavit in Support
of
Order to Show Cause

Beatriz Marinello, Tim Hanke, Stephen Shutt,
Elizabeth Shaughnessy, Randy Bauer, Bill Goichberg,
Kenneth M. Chadwell and United States Chess Federation

Respondents
________________________________________________

Sam Sloan, being duly sworn, deposes and says:

1. I am a voting member of the United States Chess Federation ("the
USCF"). I am also an alternate delegate on the Board of Delegates, the
governing body of the United States Chess Federation. I first joined
the USCF in 1956. I am the author of books, magazine and newspaper
articles pertaining to chess. I have been a rated chess expert for 40
years.

2. The USCF is a Not-for-Profit Corporation headquartered in New
Windsor, New York. It is a 501(c)(4) corporation. The by-laws provide:
"The purpose of the Federation shall be educational and instructional,
to broaden and develop chess as art and recreation, as a significant
element of culture in America."
http://www.uschess.org/org/govern/Bylaws.php

3. In October, 2004, the USCF sold its principal asset, which was a
building located at 3054 Route 9W, New Windsor New York for a total
after closing costs of $513,000 net. This sale occurred in violation
of Sections 510 and 511 of New York Not for Profit Law.

4. This sale was a violation of New York Not-for-Profit Law Sections
510 and 511 because the sale was made without notice to the New York
Attorney General and also without permission of the courts. Judicial
approval is required for the sale of the principal asset of a Type B
Not-For-Profit Corporation, and no such approval was requested or
obtained. See Matter of Manhattan Eye, Ear & Throat Hospital v
Spitzer, 186 Misc 2d 126 (Sup Ct, NY County 1999).

5. The proceeds of the sale were placed in a new bank account at Key
Bank in New Windsor under the signing authority of Beatriz Marinello
and Tim Hanke, both members of the USCF Executive Board. This was a
violation of USCF by-laws, because Beatriz Marinello and Tim Hanke are
volunteer board members who are not supposed to handle the money of
the organization. Beatriz Marinello and Tim Hanke are at present
trying to move the money out of New York State and may already have
succeeded in doing so.

6. The signing authority of the regular bank accounts of the USCF lies
with the Executive Dircetor, Bill Goichgberg, the Chief Financial
Officer, Ken Thomas, and the managing director, Judy Misner.
Signatures of two of these three are required on any check. However,
for this new bank account which contains the proceeds of the sale of
the bulding, the signing authorities are Beatriz Marinello and Tim
Hanke. The mailing address for this bank account is their address, not
the address of the United States Chess Federation. As a result, the
accountants and auditors for the USCF cannot track the money or know
where the money is. This arrangement is a violation of the bylaws and
the New York Not-For-Profit Law.

7. Almost immediately after the sale of the building, in a telephone
conference call on October 17, 2004, the Executive Board of the USCF
by a vote of 4-1-2 voted to move the headquarters of the USCF from New
Windsor, New York to Crossville, Tennessee. Voting in favor of the
move was USCF President Beatriz Marinello, USCF Vice-President of
Finance Tim Hanke and two Board members, Steve Shutt and Elizabeth
Shaughnessy. Board members Randy Bauer, Don Schultz and Frank Brady
voted to delay the decision for two weeks until other bids could be
received from other locals, principally from Liberty, New York,
although Lindsborg Kansas, Louisville, Kentucky and several other
locals had also expressed interest in hosting the USCF headquarters.

8. The vote taken to move the USCF headquarters to Tennessee was
illegal and a violation of law for several reasons, including:

(a) The motion to move to Crossville did not pass by the 2/3rd
majority required by not-for-profit law.

(b) The vote did not take place at a meeting but during a hastily
called telephone conference call, without proper notice or a hearing.

(c) Under the USCF by-laws, the Executive Board is not the governing
body of the USCF. The Board of Delegates is the governing body. There
are 120 delegates from throughout the country. The delegates were not
notified of this vote and were not allowed to participate. The
delegates met on August 13-14, 2004 in Ft. Lauderdale Florida but no
motion to move the USCF headquarters to Crossville was made or voted
upon at that time.

(d) Prior to voting to move, the Executive Board did not seek the
advice of New York counsel concerning the legality of their actions.
Had they sought the advice of counsel, their counsel would have
informed them that their vote to move was probably not legal. Several
attorneys who are USCF members have offered them unsolicited advice
about this, but they have been ignored and brushed aside by the Board.

(e) The Chief Financial Officer of the USCF, Ken Thomas, wrote a
letter to the Board expressing opposition to the move on the ground
that no analysis had been made of the costs of the move nor had a
strategic plan been developed as to the purposes and benefits of the
move. Ken Thomas pointed out that he had been involved with a major
accounting firm that had moved and that move had taken far longer and
at far greater cost than had been anticipated. The Executive Director
wrote a cost comparison showing that establishing a headquarters in
Crossville was a disadvantage to the USCF compared to moves to
Liberty, New York or Lindsborg, Kansas, which were each worth $400,000
more to the USCF. The Board majority refused even to read much less to
consider the written recommendations of both the Executive Director
and the Chief Financial Officer.

9. The live tape recording of the telephone conference call in which
the vote to move to Crossville was taken is posted on the Internet.
Listening to the tape reveals that the members of the board have no
concept of the duties and obligations of members of a board of a
Not-For-Profit Corporation. One can not even imagine that this is a
discussion among adults of the fate and future of an organization of
90,000 members. The tape is online at:

http://www.uschess.org/govern/Audio/9241417.wav

10. Prior to the telephone conference call on October 17, 2004, the
members of the Board had been provided with no written materials
explaining the costs and the purposes of the move. They were provided
with totally insufficient information upon which to make an informed
decision to move. The Board members were given only three minutes each
to present their views and debate the issue. Some of the information
provided orally to the board has been proven to be wrong. For example,
the Board was told that the City of Crossville would provide them with
an abandoned building to serve as their headquarters until a new
building could be constructed. It is since developed that only a small
portion of that building will be available.

11. The USCF has 25 employees in the New Windsor office. They have
worked there for an average of 7 years and some have worked there for
as long as 18 years. The Executive Director is Bill Goichberg, who has
expressed strong opposition to the move.

12. Beatriz Marinello, the USCF President, had made it clear that her
intention is to fire Bill Goichberg and replace him with herself. She
wants to move to Crossville, Tennessee for that reason, since the
other bids were brought in by Bill Goichberg. Beatriz Marinello is
guilty of self-dealing because she was elected to serve as president
as an unpaid volunteer. The Executive Director has traditionally been
paid a salary in excess of $100,000 per year. However, one year ago,
Bill Goichberg agreed to serve as Executive Director without pay
because the USCF was broke, having no money in the bank, because of
having lost money eight years in a row. The USCF lost nearly two
million dollars between 1996 and 2003. By 2003, the USCF had no money
left and the only significant asset was the building, which it just
sold.

13. In moving to Crossville, the Board plans to fire or lay-off almost
the entire staff of 25 presently working in the New Windsor office and
to hire new people in Crossville. Only a four members of the present
staff of 25 have expressed a willingness to move to Crossville, and
the Board plans to fire one of those four. Beatriz Marinello has
stated at a closed meeting of the Board that she would like to fire
the entire office staff. The Board majority plans to build a new
building on undeveloped farmland which the City of Crossville has
provided subject to the condition that the USCF build a building on
the land and hire local employees in Crossville.

14. The USCF plans to evade its obligation to pay unemployment
insurance on the 22 employees to be fired or laid off by escaping from
New York State, leaving the state to foot the entire unemployment
bill.

15. The plan to build a new building in Crossville is seriously flawed
and does not advance the purposes of the USCF for several obvious
reasons, including the following.

(a) The funds received from the sale of the building in New Windsor,
which was $513,000, will be insufficient to build a new building in
Crossville sufficient for the needs of the USCF. The building they are
planning to build will be only one third of the size of the building
just sold and will cost nearly as much. The USCF has no experience in
building buildings. Cost overruns are likely and cannot be controlled.
The USCF is in the business of chess, not in the business of the
speculative construction of new buildings.

(b) After construction is completed, the new building will have little
or no value. It is unlikely that any buyer will ever be found willing
to pay any significant amount for a small office building located on
farmland in the remote Appalachian Mountains of Tennessee, near the
Cumberland Gap. If the building is ever to be sold, it will have to be
sold at an almost total loss.

(c) The building just sold in New Windsor had 12,000 square feet of
floor space. The USCF also occupied a rented building next door at
3068 Route 9W which had 4,000 square feet. Since the sale of the
larger building last month, the USCF has moved almost everything into
the 4,000 square feet building, although it still occupies part of the
basement of the building just sold and contains the files and records
there. The proposed building in Crossville will only have 4,000 square
feet and will cost $350,000. This is how they are justifying the move,
as a cost savings. However, the USCF could never compress itself into
4,000 square feet. It will require at least 6,000 square feet, which
will cost more to build than they received from the building they just
sold.

(d) They claim that they can meet the shortfall by obtaining a
No-Money-Down construction loan from a bank in Crossville. However,
this will be worse, because it will leave much of the $513,000
obtained from the sale of the building in New Windsor in the hands of
Beatriz Marinello and Tim Hanke. The USCF lost nearly two million
dollars over the last eight years of which nearly one million was lost
in the 2002 and 2003 years alone. Experience shows that the Executive
Board clearly cannot be trusted with money. Although new elections to
the board are held every two years and many of the current members
were not on the boards that lost the money, that is worse too because
all four of the members who voted in favor of the move are new Board
members with no prior experience on the Board and are more likely to
squander the money needlessly, such as with a plan to build a new
building on undeveloped farmland.

16. A stay should be ordered by this court because otherwise
irreparable harm will result. The following actions are now taking
place.

(a) Beatriz Marinello has hired two new employees in Crossville,
Tennessee, even though Beatriz does not have the authority to hire
anybody. Only the Executive Director has that authority.

(b) Beatriz Marinello and Tim Hanke, who have signing authority over
the bank account at Key Bank in New Windsor which has the money, have
ordered the funds transferred to a bank in Crossville, Tennessee.
However, the funds have not been transferred only because Beatriz
Marinello and Tim Hanke have stupidly failed to complete the required
paperwork. As soon as they figure out that the funds have not been
transferred, they will move the money to a location beyond the
jurisdiction of this court.

(c) Several key employees are leaving the USCF because they know that
they are about to be fired or laid-off. Some of these employees have
been working for the USCF for as long as 18 years and their knowledge
is irreplaceable.

(d) Immediately following the vote on October 17, 2004, Beatriz
Marinello traveled to Crossville and made contracts and commitments in
Crossville for the purpose of locking in the move. Beatriz has made it
clear in her postings on the Internet that she will not back down and
will make sure that the move is completed immediately, especially in
recognition of the fact that her term of office expires in August,
2005 and she will not be re-elected.

17. The USCF has at present 83,967 members. Of these, 30, 683 are
child and scholastic members. Dues range from $49 for adults down to
$13 for some juniors. The primary purpose of the United States Chess
Federation is to hold the US Championship and other national events
and to send teams to the World Championships and the World Chess
Olympiads. The USCF represents the United States of America in FIDE,
which is the World Chess Federation. The USCF is the sole origin of
chess in the United States. It publishes Chess Life magazine and
provides ratings for all tournament chess players in the United
States.

18. The USCF was founded in 1939 as a merger between the National
Chess Federation and the Western Chess Association. It has been
through several re-incorporations but has always been headquartered in
New York State. From about 1945 to about 1967, the USCF was
headquartered at 80 East 11th Street, New York NY. In about 1967, it
moved to Newburgh, New York because the Executive Director lived
there. Subsequently, it purchased the building in New Windsor and
moved there and has been there ever since.

19. The income of the USCF reached a high of $6.5 million in 1999.
Since then, as a result of a series of bad decisions and poor
management, sales have dropped to about $4 million. This explains the
loss of two million dollars.

20. In 2003, with the USCF facing imminent bankruptcy, Bill Goichberg,
who is the biggest chess organizer in America, agreed to serve as
Executive Director without pay because otherwise the USCF would go out
of business. During his one year of management, Bill Goichberg has
turned the USCF around and the USCF recorded a surplus of $278,558 in
fiscal 2003-2004. In the previous year, the USCF had a loss of
$334,749. As a result, the USCF now has money. As a result of that,
Beatriz Marinello has decided to fire Bill Goichberg and take the
position of Executive Director for herself, to get control of the
money.
http://www.uschess.org/org/govern/f...dReport.php#SFP

21. Prior to 2003 when Bill Goichberg agreed to serve without pay, the
USCF Executive Director received a salary in excess of $100,000 plus
health insurance. For more than a decade, the USCF has provided first
class health insurance to the Executive Director. Beatriz Marinello
wants the job of Executive Director so that she can get these
benefits, especially the health insurance, because Beatriz Marinello
has kidney disease. Beatriz has been diagnosed with
glomerulonephritis. This is a disease without cure and Beatriz, who is
a native of Chile, needs the health insurance to stay alive and has
difficulty getting it otherwise, which may explain why she is so
insistent on having the job of USCF Executive Director.
http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudisea...rular/index.htm

22. Beatriz Marinello is not qualified for the job of USCF Executive
Director. She has never held a comparable position. She has recently
been involved in several failed business ventures. She announced on
the Internet last year that she was starting a business selling pet
food on the Internet. Apparently, that failed. She recently tried to
open a store in Miami. Apparently, that failed as well. She had a job
last year working for the World Chess Hall of Fame in Miami but lasted
only two weeks in that job. She would never be hired as Executive
Director of the USCF were it not for the fact that she is now the
president of the organization. She is guilty of self-dealing.

23. Kenneth M. Chadwell of the law firm of Looney and Looney, named as
a defendant herein, is City Attorney for the City of Crossville. On
August 7, 2004, Kenneth M. Chadwell wrote a letter to the Board
threatening a lawsuit against the Board if the Board did not carry out
a verbal commitment made in 2003 by John McCrary, a former USCF
President, to move to Crossville. McCrary had resigned from the board
shortly after making this commitment. The threat to sue the board was
without legal basis because a verbal agreement to move is not legally
enforceable, especially where as here approval of the Delegates and
the Attorney General of New York is required and neither of these
approvals have been requested or obtained. The letter from Mr.
Chadwell complained that the plan to move to Crossvile had been
"dropped" and that bidding had been opened to other cities.

24. It is because of legal threats and harassment from Kenneth M.
Chadwell that the Board suddenly reversed direction and made the hasty
telephone conference call and voted 4-3 to move to Crossville.
Petitioner requests an injunction against Kenneth M. Chadwell
directing him to cease his harassment and legal threats to sue the
Board and enjoining him from filing or threatening to file any such
lawsuits.

25. The plan to move to Crossville and the vote to move was not
revealed to the Delegates or to the general membership until the
petitioner herein received a hot tip from a USCF employee concerned
about losing her job and posted this news on the Internet. Since then,
the issue has been hotly debated on the Google newsgroup
rec.games.chess.politics and on the FIDE-chess Yahoo Group of which
the petitioner herein is the moderator. There have been more than one
thousand postings on this issue. The general membership has expressed
almost universal opposition to the move to Crossville. Only Beatriz
Marinello and Tim Hanke have argued in favor of the move.

26. Beatriz Marinello has arrogantly refused to reconsider. On 21 Oct
2004 03:41:11 GMT, chessforlife@aol.com ( Beatriz Marinello) wrote:
"The decision has been made. This is the end of it!" On 20 Oct 2004
15:30:23 GMT, in rec.games.chess.politics chessforlife@aol.com
(Beatriz Marinello) wrote: "I can tell you two thing, I will finish my
term as President and make sure that the move takes place."

WHEREFORE, the petitioner requests that this court issue an order to
show cause and a stay providing the following:

1. A freeze on the account at Key Bank which contains the $513,000
realized as proceeds of the sale of the Building in New Windsor until
a hearing can be had. Other bank accounts such as the account to pay
employee salaries should not be affected by this freeze.

2. A temporary restraining order and a preliminary and permanent
injunction restraining and enjoining Beatriz Marinello, Tim Hanke,
Steven Shutt and Elizabeth Shaughnessy from taking any actions at all
with respect to the USCF until a hearing can be had. Beatriz
Marinello, Tim Hanke, Steven Shutt and Elizabeth Shaughnessy may not
hire employees, fire employees, buy anything, sell anything, enter
into contracts, write checks or pay or receive money or do anything at
all with respect to the United States Chess Federation.

3. A temporary restraining order and a preliminary and permanent
injunction restraining and enjoining the United States Chess
Federation or its officers or employees from doing anything to
effectuate a move to Crossville, Tennessee or to anywhere else absent
the order of this court.

4. An order enjoining Beatriz Marinello and Tim Hanke from signing any
check or transferring any funds of the United States Chess Federation.

5. An order enjoining Kenneth M. Chadwell from filing or threatening
to file any lawsuit to compel the USCF to move to Crossville.

6. Such other and further relief as may be deemed just and equitable.

________________________
Samuel H. Sloan

Sworn to Before me this 8th
Day of November 2004

_________________________
NOTARY PUBLIC

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

(b) After construction is completed, the new building will have little
or no value. It is unlikely that any buyer will ever be found willing
to pay any significant amount for a small office building located on
farmland in the remote Appalachian Mountains of Tennessee, near the
Cumberland Gap. If the building is ever to be sold, it will have to be
sold at an almost total loss.

Sam,

Crossville is not in the Appalacian Mountains and is nearly three
hours drive from the Cumberland Gap. Crossville is not remote.(It is
in fact with 500 miles of 2/3 of the US poputation. Crossville has a
flourishing arts program ans has the premier public golf courses in
the South East. Crossville has become a haven for retire persons
because of favorable state tax laws and proximity to the fineset
medical care in the nation.

Crossville is also locate directly on Interstate 40, 90 minutes from
Nshville and 70 minutes from Knoxville. I think you should come and
visit. It's no New York City. It is however a beautiful small town
with a population of around 30,000 people. It's a great place to
retire to or to vacation if you like hiking, boating, golf or skiing.

I do not know anything about the legal-eeze thats going on internally.
I do not have a dog in that fight nor do I want one. I just want the
organization to flourish in their new home.

HAASpittle

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"Crossville has become a haven for retire persons because of favorable state
tax laws and proximity to the fineset
medical care in the nation." (robmtchl)
============
Durn tootin.' Crossville's world famed RotGut Clinic just took delivery on a
new defibrillator which ought to work fine once the town gets hooked up to
electricity.

Old Haasie

sandirhodes

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"Rob Mitchell" wrote

quote:

> Sam,
>

<snip>
I think you should come and visit [Crossville].
<snip>

Think twice, Rob

sandirhodes

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-17, 9:45 am

haaspittle@aol.com (HAASpittle) wrote in message news:<20041116181059.06040.00000390@mb-m19.aol.com>...

quote:

> "Crossville has become a haven for retire persons because of favorable state
> tax laws and proximity to the fineset
> medical care in the nation." (robmtchl)
> ============
> Durn tootin.' Crossville's world famed RotGut Clinic just took delivery on a
> new defibrillator which ought to work fine once the town gets hooked up to
> electricity.
>
> Old Haasie

Hassie,

Here is Cumberland Medical Center in Crossville:
http://www.hospitallink.com/index.p...pany%26page%3D1
Here is Cookeville regional Medical Center 30 mins from Crossville:
http://www.crmchealth.org/
Here are the hospitals in Knoxville with is 70 minutes from
Crossville:
BAPTIST HOSPITAL OF EAST TENNESSEE
KNOXVILLE, TN

EAST TENNESSEE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL
KNOXVILLE, TN www.etch.com

FORT SANDERS REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER
KNOXVILLE, TN

FORT SANDERS-PARKWEST MEDICAL CENTER
KNOXVILLE, TN

LAKESHORE MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTE
KNOXVILLE, TN

ST. MARY'S HEALTH SYSTEM
KNOXVILLE, TN www.stmaryshealth.com

UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL
KNOXVILLE, TN

And in Nashville, which is about a 95 minute drive:
BAPTIST HOSPITAL
NASHVILLE, TN www.baptist-hosp.org/

CENTENNIAL MEDICAL CENTER AND PARTHENON PAVILION
NASHVILLE, TN

METROPOLITAN NASHVILLE GENERAL HOSPITAL
NASHVILLE, TN

MIDDLE TENNESSEE MENTAL HEALTH INSTITUTE
NASHVILLE, TN

NASHVILLE METROPOLITAN BORDEAUX HOSPITAL
NASHVILLE, TN

NASHVILLE REHABILITATION HOSPITAL
NASHVILLE, TN

PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL AT VANDERBILT
NASHVILLE, TN

SOUTHERN HILLS MEDICAL CENTER
NASHVILLE, TN www.yourpracticestartshere.com

ST. THOMAS HEALTH SERVICES
NASHVILLE, TN

VANDERBILT university HOSPITAL
NASHVILLE, TN

VETERANS AFFAIRS MEDICAL CENTER
NASHVILLE, TN www.nashville.med.va.gov

This list does not even include about another ten or so hospitals
located in between Crossville and the major cities.

Plus.. Tennessee has Tenncare which provide free health care to anyone
who is uninsurable or unable to afford health care.

Heck, our Govenor is from NY. He can here poor , became a millionaire
and now is the highest elected official in the state. Most folks who
come from somewhere else to Tennessee, never go home. They love the
state. I think you would too. Shoot, I think Sam would love it down
here. They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.
Rob

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-17, 5:46 pm

"sandirhodes" <rhoessandi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<DfBmd.100504$tU4.49174@okepread06>...

quote:

> "Rob Mitchell" wrote
> <snip>
> I think you should come and visit [Crossville].
> <snip>
>
> Think twice, Rob
>
> sandirhodes

Sandirhodes,
What am I to think twice about? Are you saying that Sam would destroy
Crossville? I am not really worried about that. I hear the Crossville
Chamber of Commerce is providing a special "Welcome Packet" that
includes a DVD of the movie "Deliverance", a stick of lip gloss for
"purty lips" and a map to the Nolichucy River rapids for a boat trip.
;-)
Rob

sandirhodes

2004-11-17, 5:46 pm

lol

"Rob Mitchell" <robmtchl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:b78177d4.0411171239.6f568b49@posting.google.com...

quote:

> "sandirhodes" <rhoessandi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<DfBmd.100504$tU4.49174@okepread06>...
>
> Sandirhodes,
> What am I to think twice about? Are you saying that Sam would destroy
> Crossville? I am not really worried about that. I hear the Crossville
> Chamber of Commerce is providing a special "Welcome Packet" that
> includes a DVD of the movie "Deliverance", a stick of lip gloss for
> "purty lips" and a map to the Nolichucy River rapids for a boat trip.
> ;-)
> Rob

Spam Scone

2004-11-18, 12:45 am

robmtchl@bellsouth.net (Rob Mitchell) wrote in message news:<b78177d4.0411170629.3a33288b@posting.google.com>...
Most folks who

quote:

> come from somewhere else to Tennessee, never go home. They love the
> state. I think you would too.

Rob, Old Haasbeen is someone you are better off plonking. He's the
Olde South at its worst.

Shoot, I think Sam would love it down

quote:

> here.

I think the good folks in TN are better off not having Sam Sloan in
their state.

They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.

quote:

> Rob

HAASpittle

2004-11-19, 12:46 am

RSHaas

2004-11-22, 6:46 am

"They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.

quote:

> Rob

==========
Do they make any that work?

Old Haasie

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

I think they all start out working. How long they work is the question
after that. LOL
Rob Mitchell, LUTCF

rshaas@aol.com (RSHaas) wrote in message news:<20041122011354.06298.00000879@mb-m18.aol.com>...

quote:

> "They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.
> ==========
> Do they make any that work?
>
> Old Haasie

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-24, 5:46 pm

quote:

> "They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.
> ==========
> Do they make any that work?
>
> Old Haasie

RSHaas

2004-11-26, 6:45 am

"They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.

quote:

> Rob

==========
Do they make any that work?

Old Haasie

Rob Mitchell

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

quote:

> "They make Dell computers just a mile from my office.
> ==========
> Do they make any that work?
>
> Old Haasie

sandirhodes

2004-11-29, 12:46 am

Interesting. I have used Dell exclusively for years (personal and 3 businesses). Since going exclusive, I have had no problems
with computers. None.

Now their printers ...

sandirhodes

"Rob Mitchell" <robmtchl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:b78177d4.0411220924.3059211f@posting.google.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> I think they all start out working. How long they work is the question
> after that. LOL
> Rob Mitchell, LUTCF
>
>
> rshaas@aol.com (RSHaas) wrote in message news:<20041122011354.06298.00000879@mb-m18.aol.com>...