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| Which is better?
Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
closed positions on the first move?
Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
Why did he change?
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| On 9 Nov 2004 04:57:19 -0800, talltree0@yahoo.com (Ivan) wrote:
To answer the trolls question is very simple. 1. Nf3 on the first
move will solve all your frigging problems.
EZoto
quote:
>Which is better?
>
>Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
>closed positions on the first move?
>Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
>
>Why did he change?
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| Luigi Caselli 2004-11-10, 6:47 am |
| "Ivan" <talltree0@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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quote:
> Which is better?
>
> Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
> closed positions on the first move?
> Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
> Why did he change?
Kramnik changed because he was bored of playing always the same openings...
1.e4 is the best move because, with a tempo up, it's better to play open
position.
1.d4 is the best move because the pawn is already defended.
So both are the best moves.
Hope this helps...
Luigi Caselli
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| "Luigi Caselli" <luigicaselli@anyspamrefusediol.it> wrote in message news:<6slkd.26202$Es2.568281@twister2.libero.it>...[vbcol=seagreen]
> "Ivan" <talltree0@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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1 d4 is less risky.
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| bruno de baenst 2004-11-10, 5:46 pm |
| Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
"Ivan" <talltree0@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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quote:
> Which is better?
>
> Is it better to play 1.e4 on the first move or 1.d4/1.c4 to lead to
> closed positions on the first move?
> Since Kramnik is now playing 1.e4, does that mean that it is better?
>
> Why did he change?
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| Harold Buck 2004-11-10, 5:46 pm |
| In article <r8tkd.17988$9E3.1183808@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
"bruno de baenst" <brunodebaenst-remove-@pandora.be> wrote:
quote:
> Both are dead draw if black plays perfect. (Or if drawnik plays white)
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Proof?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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| bruno de baenst 2004-11-10, 5:46 pm |
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"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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quote:
> In article <r8tkd.17988$9E3.1183808@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
> "bruno de baenst" <brunodebaenst-remove-@pandora.be> wrote:
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> Proof?
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> --Harold Buck
draw margin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
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| Harold Buck 2004-11-11, 12:46 am |
| In article <I4wkd.18229$Tk7.1158257@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
"bruno de baenst" <brunodebaenst-remove-@pandora.be> wrote:
quote:
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> "Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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> draw margin, common sense, opinion of all chess greats, ...
>
You obviously have no understanding of the meaning of the word "proof."
What you mention are all suggestive, but by no means prove that the game
is a draw with perfect play.
In fact, if black plays perfect and white blunders, why do you think the
result will be a draw?
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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| bruno de baenst 2004-11-11, 6:46 am |
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"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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quote:
> In article <I4wkd.18229$Tk7.1158257@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
> "bruno de baenst" <brunodebaenst-remove-@pandora.be> wrote:
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> You obviously have no understanding of the meaning of the word "proof."
> What you mention are all suggestive, but by no means prove that the game
> is a draw with perfect play.
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> In fact, if black plays perfect and white blunders, why do you think the
> result will be a draw?
>
> --Harold Buck
1) Ok, you can't prove it (not with current technology anyway) but you can
assume it is true due to draw margin , common sense, opinions of all chess
greats, ... .
2) If white makes a big blunder then he loses , but as you already knew I
assumed white also plays perfect.
3) You sure like to nitpick.
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| HAASpittle 2004-11-11, 9:45 am |
| Both have about the same winning percentage at the master level. I don't
know about results at the amateur level.
I'm of the opinion that amateurs prefer K/pawn openings more than Q/pawn
openings because the former leads more to calculations involving material
(tactics) whereas the latter leads to the more difficult to find calculations
involving space (positional). It is a bit easier to do the "I take, he takes"
stuff than to find an otherwise nothing move that restricts your opponent in
some way.
Old Haasie
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| Mike Murray 2004-11-11, 5:46 pm |
| On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:35:08 GMT, "bruno de baenst"
<brunodebaenst-remove-@pandora.be> wrote:
quote:
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>1) Ok, you can't prove it (not with current technology anyway) but you can
>assume it is true due to draw margin , common sense, opinions of all chess
>greats, ... .
Good summary of where things stand at present.
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