Chess politics - I am thinking of bringing a lawsuit to stop the move to Crossville

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I am thinking of bringing a lawsuit to stop the move to Crossville - Opinions Wanted

Sam Sloan

2004-10-28, 12:46 am

I am thinking of bringing a lawsuit to stop the move to Crossville -
Opinions Wanted

For the past three days I have been receiving telephone calls and
e-mails from people asking whether I am going to file a lawsuit to
stop Beatriz Marinello from moving the USCF to Crossville, Tennessee.

I am certainly the best person to file such a suit, since I know how
to do it.

However, I tell everybody who calls that such a suit would be VERY
difficult to win. I think it can be won, but not easily. There are
many possible grounds. I would have to spend weeks in the law library
researching these questions to see if these grounds have been
recognized by the courts.

Just about everybody agrees that the late Sunday night telephone vote
to move to the USCF to Crossville was nothing more than a naked power
grab by Beatriz Marinello, who wants to take Bill Goichbergfs job and
to get her hot hands on the $513,000 that that USCF just received by
selling the building in New Windsor.

If there were economic justifications for the move, there would have
been no rush. The members could have been notified in advance and a
public hearing held. No need for late night telephone calls.

Again, however, I need to emphasize that winning this case will be
difficult. We would not actually need to win it. It would be
sufficient just to get a Temporary Restraining Order stopping the move
and delaying it long enough until an election can be held and Beatriz
Marinello thrown out of office.

I am not going to tell you what grounds I have in mind. I do not want
to alert the opponents. However, it should be obvious that to move a
non-profit corporation which has resided in New York State for 60
years since the 1940s to another state especially on a 4-3 vote with
no advance notice raises some legal questions. There were four votes
in favor and three either opposed or abstaining. One of the voters in
favor was not even in the US. She was called in Spain, where she was
vacationing. Is this a proper way to decide the fate and future of an
organization with 90,000 members? Does the executive board even have
the power to make such a decision without notice?

The reason I am posting this now is I want to hear the opinions of
other USCF members. I will not file this lawsuit until I feel that a
majority of the members are in favor of what I am doing.

Therefore, I want to hear your opinions. If a majority seem to be in
favor of my proposed action, I will go forward. Otherwise, not

Please express your views.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-10-28, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41793c0a.24451468@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> The reason I am posting this now is I want to hear the opinions of
> other USCF members. I will not file this lawsuit until I feel that a
> majority of the members are in favor of what I am doing.
>
> Therefore, I want to hear your opinions. If a majority seem to be in
> favor of my proposed action, I will go forward. Otherwise, not

My opinion is that you're a moron.

The Masked Bishop

2004-10-28, 12:46 am

We don't need "free land." We need to save money. How many vacant office
suites are in the New York-New Jersey metro area? I can imagine quite a lot.
And I bet the monthly rental for 4000 square feet of office space is a hell
of lot less than a building is going to cost us. Plus you don't need to move
to some cracker haven like Crossville.

26 employees, a small LAN, and a layout room for a magazine don't need a new
building.

TMB

"Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:mmrin0l2e4oomcva6mh19st34ufhkg2lsp@4ax.com...

quote:

> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:08:40 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
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be[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> It's been discussed some. I mentioned it and Hanke responded that we
> don't get the free land unless we build on it, and he believes the
> value of the land almost offsets the cost of the building.
>
> Don't know if he's correct on this. The point probably merits more
> discussion.
>
>

Matt Nemmers

2004-10-28, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41793c0a.24451468@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>I am thinking of bringing a lawsuit to stop the move to Crossville -
> Opinions Wanted

Save your money. Your kids need to eat and you don't have a job. Don't do
it.

Get Gordon Roy Parker (aka Ray Gordon) to file this frivilous lawsuit for
you. You're NOT the best at that. He is.

MN

Jerry W

2004-10-28, 6:45 am

"Tim Hanke" <timothyhanke@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:b2a11a50.0410271118.58ec1536@posting.google.com...

quote:

> Sam Sloan is ...
>
> a) a malicious liar

quote:

>
> People such as Larry Parr, George Mirijanian, and Phil Innes who show
> respect for Sam Sloan's opinions are ...
>
> a) equally malicious

quote:

>
> Tim Hanke

At least he addresses the issues, rather than indulging in cheap contentless
slanders. On the evidence of this newsgroup he is worth 10 of you.

Jerry

David Kane

2004-10-29, 5:46 pm

"ChipsChap" <bnewell@linux.chungkuo.org> wrote in message
news:slrncnqcto.31m.bnewell@linux.chungkuo.org...

quote:

> On 2004-10-22, The Masked Bishop <tmb@c4.com> wrote:
new[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Dump the magazine, rent a two-room office with 3 employees, cut the dues
> by 75%, and USCF m just make a go of it.

The real cost of the $264,000 "gift" in the Crossville deal
is that while per hour costs may be low there, the deal has
features which will keep the USCF as a high cost operation
well into the future.

Tim Hanke

2004-10-30, 12:45 am

"Jerry W" <jerry@jerrywhitmarshdotcom> wrote ...

quote:

>
> At least [Sam Sloan] addresses the issues, rather than indulging in cheap
> contentless
> slanders. On the evidence of this newsgroup he is worth 10 of [Tim Hanke].
>
> Jerry

Jerry,

If only more people thought the way you did! Then I would never have won
election to the USCF Executive Board. Today I would have more free time,
fewer hassles, and a better life.

Sadly, too few people have your keen intellectual penetration. I was able to
hoodwink the voters, and Sam Sloan's virtues went unrecognized.

But as Abraham Lincoln said, you can't fool all of the people all of the
time, even in a democracy. Eventually I will be found out and banished from
the seat of power. And Sam Sloan, that pearl who has so often cast himself
in vain before the swinish electorate, will rise like a star in the east,
and mankind shall not be crucified upon a cross of gold.

Tim Hanke

ASCACHESS

2004-10-30, 12:45 am

>Sam Sloan's virtues went unrecognized.

Damn you.
My rasberry tea went right out my nose.

Rp

Spam Scone

2004-10-30, 6:45 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message news:<16OdnWSpxsmDth3cRVn-1w@comcast.com>...

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> Looks like an ethics complaint to me.

Isn't Sloan judgment-proof, Stan? And didn't he say exactly the same
thing about Redman in 2001?

Spam Scone

2004-10-30, 6:45 am

timothyhanke@comcast.net (Tim Hanke) wrote in message news:<b2a11a50.0410271118.58ec1536@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote ...
>
> CHESS TRIVIA QUIZ
> (some questions may have more than one correct answer)
>
> Sam Sloan is ...
>
> a) a malicious liar
> b) mentally ill
> c) suffering from brain damage caused by illegal drug use
> d) an ace journalist who sees things nobody else does
> e) a schizophrenic who sees things nobody else does

D can be safely discarded, for aside from ChessDon and ChessDon
wannabees, no one thinks of Sloan as a journalist. I doubt he suffers
from schizophrenia. A, B, and C are all correct.

quote:

> People such as ... Phil Innes who show
> respect for Sam Sloan's opinions are ...
>
> a) equally malicious
> b) guilty of astoundingly poor judgment
> c) being blackmailed by Sloan
> d) examples of "The Madness of Crowds"
> e) open-minded to the point of being empty-headed

Philsy is just a troll who enjoys posting nonsense to get a reaction.
Search for his defense of the alleged word "campel" and his claims
that some twaddle he posted about Henry Miller was actually a
quotation from Orwell.

Spam Scone

2004-10-30, 6:45 am

ascachess@aol.com (ASCACHESS) wrote in message news:<20041029222629.29586.00003075@mb-m02.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Damn you.
> My rasberry tea went right out my nose.
>
> Rp

Wouldn't Sloan have to have virtues first for them to be recognized?

Randy Bauer

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

"Tim Hanke" <timothyhanke@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Jpgfd.423396$mD.134287@attbi_s02...

quote:

> "Parrthenon" <parrthenon@cs.com> wrote ...
>
> Larry,
>
> As your friend, I will take the liberty of pointing out that I *did*
> refute your argument, by stating I wouldn't want that property as a gift.
>
> Therefore, waiting two more weeks on the off chance that we might actually
> *get* it as a gift held no attraction for me or the Board majority.
>
> Tim Hanke

I consider Tim Hanke my friend, but I beg to differ with him here. I most
certainly would have taken 5 years of free rent in a building clearly large
enough for our needs as a gift. That, after all, was the offer I was
willing to hold off for two weeks on perchance getting. Given the savings
in rent and moving expense, I am not at all certain that the USCF is in a
strong enough financial position to cavalierly dismiss this possibility.

Randy Bauer

KidDon

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<41793c0a.24451468@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> I am thinking of bringing a lawsuit to stop the move to Crossville -
> Opinions Wanted
>
> For the past three days I have been receiving telephone calls and
> e-mails from people asking whether I am going to file a lawsuit to
> stop Beatriz Marinello from moving the USCF to Crossville, Tennessee.
>
> I am certainly the best person to file such a suit, since I know how
> to do it.
>
> However, I tell everybody who calls that such a suit would be VERY
> difficult to win. I think it can be won, but not easily. There are
> many possible grounds. I would have to spend weeks in the law library
> researching these questions to see if these grounds have been
> recognized by the courts.
>
> Just about everybody agrees that the late Sunday night telephone vote
> to move to the USCF to Crossville was nothing more than a naked power
> grab by Beatriz Marinello, who wants to take Bill Goichbergfs job and
> to get her hot hands on the $513,000 that that USCF just received by
> selling the building in New Windsor.
>
> If there were economic justifications for the move, there would have
> been no rush. The members could have been notified in advance and a
> public hearing held. No need for late night telephone calls.
>
> Again, however, I need to emphasize that winning this case will be
> difficult. We would not actually need to win it. It would be
> sufficient just to get a Temporary Restraining Order stopping the move
> and delaying it long enough until an election can be held and Beatriz
> Marinello thrown out of office.
>
> I am not going to tell you what grounds I have in mind. I do not want
> to alert the opponents. However, it should be obvious that to move a
> non-profit corporation which has resided in New York State for 60
> years since the 1940s to another state especially on a 4-3 vote with
> no advance notice raises some legal questions. There were four votes
> in favor and three either opposed or abstaining. One of the voters in
> favor was not even in the US. She was called in Spain, where she was
> vacationing. Is this a proper way to decide the fate and future of an
> organization with 90,000 members? Does the executive board even have
> the power to make such a decision without notice?
>
> The reason I am posting this now is I want to hear the opinions of
> other USCF members. I will not file this lawsuit until I feel that a
> majority of the members are in favor of what I am doing.
>
> Therefore, I want to hear your opinions. If a majority seem to be in
> favor of my proposed action, I will go forward. Otherwise, not
>
> Please express your views.
>
> Sam Sloan

_________________________
Without even getting to issues of liability and available relief, if
any; my first question would be whether or not you have standing. I
have not and will not research the issue, but I seriously doubt if you
would survive a motion to dismiss on grounds of standing.

kiddon

Tim Hanke

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote ...

quote:

>
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.

CHESS TRIVIA QUIZ
(some questions may have more than one correct answer)

Sam Sloan is ...

a) a malicious liar
b) mentally ill
c) suffering from brain damage caused by illegal drug use
d) an ace journalist who sees things nobody else does
e) a schizophrenic who sees things nobody else does

People such as Larry Parr, George Mirijanian, and Phil Innes who show
respect for Sam Sloan's opinions are ...

a) equally malicious
b) guilty of astoundingly poor judgment
c) being blackmailed by Sloan
d) examples of "The Madness of Crowds"
e) open-minded to the point of being empty-headed

Tim Hanke

The Masked Bishop

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

Sam Sloan:

1) Has been around the USCF a lot longer than Tim Hanke
2) Provides far more interesting commentary and suggestions about the USCF
than the politicized flacks who serve on its Board
3) Has garnered support from some posters here who are not exactly
captivated by the proclamations of Bill Goichberg or Don Schultz.

Tim Hanke:

1) Has found himself part of a very troubled organization that can't account
for itself.
2) Has discovered that he really can't accomplish anything with the USCF
board, now that he's on it.
3) Is thus reduced to taking shots at unresisting outsiders like Sam Sloan
on chess news groups.

StanB

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.

Looks like an ethics complaint to me.

ASCACHESS

2004-10-31, 6:46 am

>> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has

quote:

>
>Looks like an ethics complaint to me.

Looks like a cause for commitment to me.
When (recently) did we ever have $1000000 in the bank?

Geof

2004-11-01, 5:46 pm

It seems to me that the board of directors of the USCF might be a
little more successful in fostering team spirit in this ragamuffin
group of gadflys if they used modern consensus-building techniques
such as adopting an official song.

With this in mind, with abject apologies to the Monkees,and with the
fervent hope that someone more lyrically gifted than myself (which
isn't hard) will take up the torch, I offer the following humble tune,
which in the spirit of our up-tempo times I have entitled "Take the
Fast Train to Crossville."

Take the fast train to Crossville,
and don't stop to think it over,
2 more weeks is 2 weeks wasted, and
we'll be rolling in the clover
when we go.
We gotta go.

‘Cause poor B* she needs some income,
and some health coverage too.
She'll get those in good ol' Crosseville,
The ED position too.
Go with the flow,
and screw Joe Blow.
There are secrets only board members may know.

Then I'll take you to the build site,
These guys really underbid,
But don't let yourself get uptight,
Everything we got so far we got quid pro
One thing we know
is quid pro quo.

Now the builder's got change orders,
and we must pay them on time,
and Sam S.* has filed his lawsuit
and it won't cost him a dime.
No not one dime. A lousy dime.
And our lawyers want their fees paid all on time.

Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh

Take the fast train to Crossville,
I'll be waiting at the station,
We can meet with city counsel,
he's still talking litigation.
He'll play his part,
in our "fresh start."

Take the fast train to Crossville,
To escape all those indictments,
And the rules for extradition,
will just add to the excitement
of our new place,
where we'll save face,
although we might as well be lost in outerspace.

Take the fast train to Crossville,
Take the last train to Crossville,
Take the last train to Crossville,
Take the last train to Crossville.

* This is just a dumb song. No reference to any real person or event
should be inferred (unless you really, really want to, and then it's
not my fault).

Okay, okay. So it doesn't quite run trippingly off the tongue. And
it might be construed by some people to cast nasty aspersions at
people I don't know re: issues on which I freely profess a total
ignorance. But I have this catchy tune in mind, and at least it
rhymes. Well, sort of....

-Geof

Sam Sloan

2004-11-01, 5:46 pm

On 1 Nov 2004 13:53:43 -0800, Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote:

quote:

>Now the builder's got change orders,
>and we must pay them on time,
>and Sam S.* has filed his lawsuit
>and it won't cost him a dime.
>No not one dime. A lousy dime.
>And our lawyers want their fees paid all on time.

Thank you for the song.

However, it will cost me a lot more than a dime. I will have to file
the case in Orange County Supreme Court and take the bus from New York
City to New Windsor many times.

On the other hand, I have found some good law and I am almost certain
that I can stop the move cold. I could even try to put Tim and Beatriz
in jail but I do not really want that. It is clear that they have not
consulted a lawyer because any competent counsel would have told them
that their actions are of questionable legality.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-11-02, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4186b5bb.18513812@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On the other hand, I have found some good law and I am almost certain
> that I can stop the move cold. I could even try to put Tim and Beatriz
> in jail but I do not really want that. It is clear that they have not
> consulted a lawyer because any competent counsel would have told them
> that their actions are of questionable legality.

Yo sport, how many lawsuits have you filed and how many have you won?

Spam Scone

2004-11-02, 6:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message news:<16OdnWSpxsmDth3cRVn-1w@comcast.com>...

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> Looks like an ethics complaint to me.

Isn't Sloan judgment-proof, Stan? And didn't he say exactly the same
thing about Redman in 2001?

Spam Scone

2004-11-02, 6:46 am

timothyhanke@comcast.net (Tim Hanke) wrote in message news:<b2a11a50.0410271118.58ec1536@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote ...
>
> CHESS TRIVIA QUIZ
> (some questions may have more than one correct answer)
>
> Sam Sloan is ...
>
> a) a malicious liar
> b) mentally ill
> c) suffering from brain damage caused by illegal drug use
> d) an ace journalist who sees things nobody else does
> e) a schizophrenic who sees things nobody else does

D can be safely discarded, for aside from ChessDon and ChessDon
wannabees, no one thinks of Sloan as a journalist. I doubt he suffers
from schizophrenia. A, B, and C are all correct.

quote:

> People such as ... Phil Innes who show
> respect for Sam Sloan's opinions are ...
>
> a) equally malicious
> b) guilty of astoundingly poor judgment
> c) being blackmailed by Sloan
> d) examples of "The Madness of Crowds"
> e) open-minded to the point of being empty-headed

Spam Scone

2004-11-02, 6:46 am

ascachess@aol.com (ASCACHESS) wrote in message news:<20041029222629.29586.00003075@mb-m02.aol.com>...

quote:

>
> Damn you.
> My rasberry tea went right out my nose.
>
> Rp

Wouldn't Sloan have to have virtues first for them to be recognized?

Geof

2004-11-04, 5:47 pm

Sam Sloan

2004-11-04, 5:47 pm

On 1 Nov 2004 13:53:43 -0800, Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote:

quote:

>Now the builder's got change orders,
>and we must pay them on time,
>and Sam S.* has filed his lawsuit
>and it won't cost him a dime.
>No not one dime. A lousy dime.
>And our lawyers want their fees paid all on time.

StanB

2004-11-04, 5:47 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4186b5bb.18513812@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On the other hand, I have found some good law and I am almost certain
> that I can stop the move cold. I could even try to put Tim and Beatriz
> in jail but I do not really want that. It is clear that they have not
> consulted a lawyer because any competent counsel would have told them
> that their actions are of questionable legality.

Yo sport, how many lawsuits have you filed and how many have you won?

StanB

2004-11-07, 5:46 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4186b5bb.18513812@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On the other hand, I have found some good law and I am almost certain
> that I can stop the move cold. I could even try to put Tim and Beatriz
> in jail but I do not really want that. It is clear that they have not
> consulted a lawyer because any competent counsel would have told them
> that their actions are of questionable legality.

Yo sport, how many lawsuits have you filed and how many have you won?

KidDon

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> I am a dues paying member of the USCF. That gives me standing.
>
> The board members are guilty of self-dealing. Beatriz wants the move
> to Crossville so that she can fire Bill Goichberg and take his job.
> The last ED was paid more than $100,000 per year.
>
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.
>
> My lawsuit would easily survive a motion to dismiss. The problem as I
> see it is that I am not certain that the judge would be willing to
> order the stay of the move to Crossville until a hearing could be had.
>
> Sorry, but I have to leave now. I have to go down to the United States
> Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, where they are deciding today
> whether to issus an emergency order in my lawsuit against the New York
> City Board of Elections and the Kings County Republican Party.
>
> Sam Sloan

_____________________________

Still think so, Sam? It looks like the Judge is leaning the other way:
"The attorney should address issues such as standing and the
appropriateness of the remedies requested (including the issuance of
an injunction against an official of another state)."

kiddon

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

On 15 Nov 2004 07:31:17 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>Still think so, Sam? It looks like the Judge is leaning the other way:
> "The attorney should address issues such as standing and the
>appropriateness of the remedies requested (including the issuance of
>an injunction against an official of another state)."
>
>
>kiddon

When I first read the decision, I was discouraged for that reason.
However, on reconsideration I feel that I am winning on the big
important issues, which is whether sections 510 and 511 apply. If
those sections do apply, then the only question would be to get the
right sort of plaintiff that the court would have to agree does have
standing.

My conclusion is that I will be successful in the goal of stopping the
move to Crossville. It might turn out that I personally lose my case
but nevertheless somebody else such as the Attorney General of New
York will jump in and stop the move.

Sam Sloan

PS Please note that I put you on my mailing list.

KidDon

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4198ef38.1339796@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 15 Nov 2004 07:31:17 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> When I first read the decision, I was discouraged for that reason.
> However, on reconsideration I feel that I am winning on the big
> important issues, which is whether sections 510 and 511 apply. If
> those sections do apply, then the only question would be to get the
> right sort of plaintiff that the court would have to agree does have
> standing.
>
> My conclusion is that I will be successful in the goal of stopping the
> move to Crossville. It might turn out that I personally lose my case
> but nevertheless somebody else such as the Attorney General of New
> York will jump in and stop the move.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
> PS Please note that I put you on my mailing list.

____________________
Thank you for putting me on your mailing list, but you can save the
snail mail postage, as I had already read the same pleadings, motions
and orders on-line via samsloan.com, and check out cases of interest
via my PACER account on a fairly regular basis.

kiddon

ESchember

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.

Sam,

why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

On 16 Nov 2004 06:45:04 GMT, eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote:

quote:

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
>news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...
>
>Sam,
>
>why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

Beatriz has made it clear and nobody has denied this that she wants to
fire Bill Goichberg and appoint herself in his place. She expects to
receive a salary of $80,000, I am informed.

Since she has very limited qualifications for the job and would never
be hired, using her position on the board to get the job is a form of
stealing.

Your post points out an interesting question. Beatriz spells her first
name two ways. Sometimes she spells it Beatrice. Sometimes she spells
it Beatriz. What is her real name? If a judgment is issued against
her, can she escape by using her other name? Does she perhaps have
some other real name?

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

On 15 Nov 2004 19:44:28 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4198ef38.1339796@ca.news.verio.net>...
>____________________
>Thank you for putting me on your mailing list, but you can save the
>snail mail postage, as I had already read the same pleadings, motions
>and orders on-line via samsloan.com, and check out cases of interest
>via my PACER account on a fairly regular basis.
>
>kiddon

Interesting, because I am just finding out about PACER. A law student
called me two days ago saying that she found my cases against the
Republican Party on PACER. According to her, everything I have filed
in court on that case is available on PACER. I am wondering if this is
true. Is somebody scanning in all my documents?

Sam Sloan

David Ames

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote in message news:<20041116014504.23235.00000803@mb-m03.aol.com>...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
> news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...
>
> Sam,
>
> why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

The issue, as Sam has presented it, is that Beatriz Marinello may put
herself in a position to despoil and dismantle what remains of USCF,
after disposing of its sales revenues, by paying herself a large
salary from the proceeds of a real estate transaction which has
escaped statutory legal oversight.

Being a life member of USCF, I believe that is a proper concern. I
further believe that before USCF removes to Tennessee, courts in New
York State should establish further jurisdiction over USCF in order to
assure that the removal is not done to escape the responsibilities
that have accumulated in over 50 years of New York domicile.

I have no idea of Ms. Marinello's qualifications and credentials to
become Executive Director of USCF, so I leave that discussion to
others.

David Ames

Randy Bauer

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

In article <f79f061c.0411160507.7f8ba615@posting.google.com>, David Ames says...

quote:

>
>eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote in message
>news:<20041116014504.23235.00000803@mb-m03.aol.com>...
>
>The issue, as Sam has presented it, is that Beatriz Marinello may put
>herself in a position to despoil and dismantle what remains of USCF,
>after disposing of its sales revenues, by paying herself a large
>salary from the proceeds of a real estate transaction which has
>escaped statutory legal oversight.

It is untrue and unfair to Beatriz to characterize her in this way. First, it
was under her leadership as President that the USCF actually had a profit last
fiscal year after about a decade of deficits. Second, she and Tim Hanke were
willing to make some hard decisions when the USCF was literally teetering on the
brink of bankruptcy. Third, Beatriz has spents thousands of dollars of her own
money and volunteered thousands of hours of her own time in her efforts to
improve the USCF and market chess in this country. Hers are not the actions of
one guided by personal gain. Finally, the proceeds from the sale of the
building are not being built into the USCF operations budget, and Beatriz
couldn't "pay herself" a salary anyway. It's all typical Sam Sloan hearsay and
innuendo. It stinks, and at some point in time, he should be held accountable
for these allegations.

quote:

>
>Being a life member of USCF, I believe that is a proper concern. I
>further believe that before USCF removes to Tennessee, courts in New
>York State should establish further jurisdiction over USCF in order to
>assure that the removal is not done to escape the responsibilities
>that have accumulated in over 50 years of New York domicile.

As a life member, I'm more interested in the USCF not escaping its
responsibility to me, the dues paying member. The USCF is seeking to leave a
high cost, high tax state for a lower cost, low tax state, in a location where
the local community and financial leaders are supportive of our efforts. Sounds
like a good environment to me.

quote:

>
>I have no idea of Ms. Marinello's qualifications and credentials to
>become Executive Director of USCF, so I leave that discussion to
>others.
>
>David Ames

Ms. Marinello has plenty of qualifications and credentials, as well as
character, integrity, and common sense. I also know that if I had to leave my
wallet with either Sam Sloan or Beatriz Marinello, it would be the latter, not
the former, with whom I would place my trust and credit cards.

Randy Bauer

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

On 16 Nov 2004 08:24:52 -0800, Randy Bauer <Randy_member@newsguy.com>
wrote:

quote:

>It is untrue and unfair to Beatriz to characterize her in this way. First, it
>was under her leadership as President that the USCF actually had a profit last
>fiscal year after about a decade of deficits. Second, she and Tim Hanke were
>willing to make some hard decisions when the USCF was literally teetering on the
>brink of bankruptcy. Third, Beatriz has spents thousands of dollars of her own
>money and volunteered thousands of hours of her own time in her efforts to
>improve the USCF and market chess in this country. Hers are not the actions of
>one guided by personal gain.

It is truly amazing the way that Beatriz, Tim Hanke and you always
give Beatriz credit for saving the USCF from bankruptcy, whereas the
rest of us realize that it was Bill Goichberg that did that.

As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,

Sam Sloan

Randy Bauer

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

In article <419a389f.29391671@ca.news.verio.net>, Sam Sloan says...

quote:

>
>On 16 Nov 2004 08:24:52 -0800, Randy Bauer <Randy_member@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>It is truly amazing the way that Beatriz, Tim Hanke and you always
>give Beatriz credit for saving the USCF from bankruptcy, whereas the
>rest of us realize that it was Bill Goichberg that did that.

Bill Goichberg has done a good job as Executive Director, and I am happy to give
him credit as well. Unlike your silly black and white cartoon world, Sam, I
recognize that in the complex real world there can be a variety of factors that
have an impact on outcomes. However, Beatriz and Tim were leaders and stepped
up and took the bold action necessary to keep the organization afloat when it
was litterally out of cash -- which is something you, of all people, should
understand.

quote:

>
>As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
>the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
>USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
>was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,
>
>Sam Sloan

Beatriz did what others weren't willing or able to do -- make the organization
live within its financial means. Yes, that meant that employees had to be laid
off. That happens in business all the time when revenues don't match
expenditures.

What would you have done, Sam, raise dues? Play some more phony accounting
tricks? Or just sleep under a desk until they came to haul away any remaining
assets and put the USCF into receivership?

Randy Bauer

KidDon

2004-11-16, 5:01 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4199d5ea.4127890@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 15 Nov 2004 19:44:28 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> Interesting, because I am just finding out about PACER. A law student
> called me two days ago saying that she found my cases against the
> Republican Party on PACER. According to her, everything I have filed
> in court on that case is available on PACER. I am wondering if this is
> true. Is somebody scanning in all my documents?
>
> Sam Sloan

_______________________
With regard to the Federal cases, yes, somebody is scanning in all of
the documents you file. I'm not sure about the NY State cases.

kiddon

Sam Sloan

2004-11-16, 5:45 pm

On 16 Nov 2004 11:18:25 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>_______________________
>With regard to the Federal cases, yes, somebody is scanning in all of
>the documents you file. I'm not sure about the NY State cases.
>
>kiddon

Thank you for letting me know. We will soon find out because Judge
Horowitz just granted my Petition for an Order to Show Cause.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:419a389f.29391671@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> It is truly amazing the way that Beatriz, Tim Hanke and you always
> give Beatriz credit for saving the USCF from bankruptcy, whereas the
> rest of us realize that it was Bill Goichberg that did that.

ROTFLMFAO

David Ames

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4199d5ea.4127890@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 15 Nov 2004 19:44:28 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> Interesting, because I am just finding out about PACER. A law student
> called me two days ago saying that she found my cases against the
> Republican Party on PACER. According to her, everything I have filed
> in court on that case is available on PACER. I am wondering if this is
> true. Is somebody scanning in all my documents?
>
> Sam Sloan

No, all the court documents are being scanned, not just yours. I work
in a government office, and all the attorneys and paralegals use
PACER.

David Ames

ChessforLife

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,

Sam Sloan"

Sam Sloan:

For the record, I did resign from the position of Scholastic Director in March
2000. Later the same year, I was elected as a member of the Scholastic
Council.

You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.

Beatriz Marinello

StanB

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"ChessforLife" <chessforlife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041116195149.11514.00000945@mb-m29.aol.com...

quote:

> Sam Sloan:
>
> For the record, I did resign from the position of Scholastic Director in
> March
> 2000. Later the same year, I was elected as a member of the Scholastic
> Council.
>
> You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.

!Y un comemierda tambien!

Matt Nemmers

2004-11-17, 12:46 am

"ChessforLife" <chessforlife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041116195149.11514.00000945@mb-m29.aol.com...

quote:

>
> Sam Sloan:
>
> You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.
>
> Beatriz Marinello

Abso-friggin'-lutely, he is.

Regards,

Matt

Sam Sloan

2004-11-17, 6:45 am

On 17 Nov 2004 00:51:49 GMT, chessforlife@aol.com (ChessforLife)
wrote:

quote:

>"As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
>the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
>USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
>was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,
>
>Sam Sloan"
>
>Sam Sloan:
>
>For the record, I did resign from the position of Scholastic Director in March
>2000. Later the same year, I was elected as a member of the Scholastic
>Council.
>
>You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.
>
>Beatriz Marinello

I am confident that the 17 people you fired in August 2003 and the 25
remaining people you are trying to fire now do not agree with your
assessment.

Sam Sloan

Spam Scone

2004-11-17, 6:45 am

chessforlife@aol.com (ChessforLife) wrote in message news:<20041116195149.11514.00000945@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

> Sam Sloan:

(snip)

quote:

> You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.
>
> Beatriz Marinello

Why sugar-coat things, Beatriz?

Neil Brennen
chessnews at mindspring dot com

Matt Nemmers

2004-11-17, 6:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:419af04d.24066609@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On 17 Nov 2004 00:51:49 GMT, chessforlife@aol.com (ChessforLife)
> wrote:
>
>
> I am confident that the 17 people you fired in August 2003 and the 25
> remaining people you are trying to fire now do not agree with your
> assessment.
>
> Sam Sloan

I am confident that 90% of the people you've ever met and who come into
contact with on a daily basis agree with this assessment, shitbag.

MN

sandirhodes

2004-11-17, 9:45 am

"Matt Nemmers" wrote

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" wrote

(ChessforLife) wrote:

quote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I am confident that 90% of the people you've ever met and who come into
> contact with on a daily basis agree with this assessment, shitbag.

And the other 10% think it's an understatement????

sandirhodes

Joker

2004-11-18, 6:45 am

"Matt Nemmers" > >>You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.

quote:

> I am confident that 90% of the people you've ever met and who come into

contact with on a daily basis agree with this assessment, shitbag.

quote:

>

What is going on with the USCF, I have not been following this and just have
returned hopefully participate again. The allegations of Mr. Sloan are
pretty serious, and why is the USCF moving, and who is Beatriz Marinello?

Mike Murray

2004-11-18, 5:47 pm

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:44:30 -0500, "Joker" <plasmatics@hallmark.com>
wrote:

quote:

>What is going on with the USCF, I have not been following this and just have
>returned hopefully participate again. The allegations of Mr. Sloan are
>pretty serious, and why is the USCF moving, and who is Beatriz Marinello?

You'd better try to absorb this gradually, lest your head explode.

Tim Hanke

2004-11-18, 5:47 pm

"Joker" <plasmatics@hallmark.com> wrote ...

quote:

>
> What is going on with the USCF, I have not been following this and just have
> returned hopefully participate again. The allegations of Mr. Sloan are
> pretty serious, and why is the USCF moving, and who is Beatriz Marinello?

Beatriz Marinello is the head of the gang of thieves that have taken
over USCF. Her henchman is a guy named Hanke, who drives around with
all of USCF's money in a suitcase in the trunk of his car, apparently
because he doesn't trust banks. Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie &
Clyde.

Tim Hanke

Mike Nolan

2004-11-18, 5:47 pm

timothyhanke@comcast.net (Tim Hanke) writes:

quote:

>Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie & Clyde.

Tim, I saw the movie. When you were elected to the board you became
IMPORTANT, not impotent. :-)
--
Mike Nolan

HAASpittle

2004-11-18, 5:47 pm

"Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie &
Clyde." (Tim Hanke)
==============
Does Beatriz smoke cigars and have pistols stuck in her belt?
Are you using USCF money to pay for the rights to have "Foggy Mountain
Breakdown" played during your getaway scenes?

Old Haasie

Geof

2004-11-19, 12:46 am

I find it rather bizarre that some of the parties to this case
continue to discuss matters material to it rather casually, in a
public forum, and while the case is pending. Have you retained
counsel, and do they know that you are doing this? If not, then
perhaps you might consider consulting with them before continuing this
practice.

(The above is not intended to, and does not, constitute legal
advice. For such advice, I recommend that you contact an attorney
licensed to practice in the State of New York or other relevant
jurisdiction.)

- Geof Strayer

ESchember

2004-11-19, 12:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.

Sam,

why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

Wickdeer3

2004-11-19, 9:46 am

Geoff Strayer wrote:

quote:

>
>I find it rather bizarre that some of the parties to this case
>continue to discuss matters material to it rather casually, in a
>public forum, and while the case is pending. Have you retained
>counsel, and do they know that you are doing this? If not, then
>perhaps you might consider consulting with them before continuing this
>practice.
>
> (The above is not intended to, and does not, constitute legal
>advice. For such advice, I recommend that you contact an attorney
>licensed to practice in the State of New York or other relevant
>jurisdiction.)
>
> - Geof Strayer

I've been singing this tune for years, but no one has paid any attention.

As a practical matter, however, Mr. Sloan posts because, in his infinite
narcisism, he imagines that his every act is of interest to the world. Mr.
Sloan also indulges in pro se litigation for recreation.

I suspect the defendants are posting (a) so that Sam's misinformation does not
go uncontradicted, and (b) they don't take Sam's lawsuit seriously, which is
understandable, if not the most prudent course of action.

This is, of course, not offered as legal advice to any person. I do not
represent USCF or, thank god, Sam Sloan.

Wick Deer

AVB

2004-11-19, 9:46 am

"Tim Hanke" <> Beatriz Marinello is the head of the gang of thieves that
have taken over USCF. Her henchman is a guy named Hanke, who drives around
with all of USCF's money in a suitcase in the trunk of his car, apparently
because he doesn't trust banks. Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie & Clyde.

quote:

>

How did it get to this? and aren't you Hanke? Is pronounced Hanky?

KidDon

2004-11-19, 5:46 pm

timothyhanke@comcast.net (Tim Hanke) wrote in message news:<b2a11a50.0411181151.15e466db@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> "Joker" <plasmatics@hallmark.com> wrote ...
>
> Beatriz Marinello is the head of the gang of thieves that have taken
> over USCF. Her henchman is a guy named Hanke, who drives around with
> all of USCF's money in a suitcase in the trunk of his car, apparently
> because he doesn't trust banks. Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie &
> Clyde.
>
> Tim Hanke

_______________________
There you go, creating Exhibit "A" for Sloan's big day in Court. I'm
sure the Judge will be impressed.

kiddon

David Ames

2004-11-20, 12:45 am

Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote in message news:<3d70394d.0411182122.7515b726@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> I find it rather bizarre that some of the parties to this case
> continue to discuss matters material to it rather casually, in a
> public forum, and while the case is pending. Have you retained
> counsel, and do they know that you are doing this? If not, then
> perhaps you might consider consulting with them before continuing this
> practice.
>
> (The above is not intended to, and does not, constitute legal
> advice. For such advice, I recommend that you contact an attorney
> licensed to practice in the State of New York or other relevant
> jurisdiction.)
>
> - Geof Strayer

Sam Sloan is famous for acting pro se. Sam pleaded his own case pro
se before the United States Supreme Court, and won. Give him the
cite, Sam?

David Ames

Sam Sloan

2004-11-20, 6:46 am

On 19 Nov 2004 16:11:31 -0800, worldrecord@juno.com (David Ames)
wrote:

quote:

>Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote in message news:<3d70394d.0411182122.7515b726@posting.google.com>...
>
>Sam Sloan is famous for acting pro se. Sam pleaded his own case pro
>se before the United States Supreme Court, and won. Give him the
>cite, Sam?
>
>David Ames

SEC vs. Sloan, 436 US 103 (1978)

http://laws.findlaw.com/us/436/103.html

Sam Sloan

2004-11-20, 6:46 am

On 18 Nov 2004 21:22:12 -0800, Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote:

quote:

>I find it rather bizarre that some of the parties to this case
>continue to discuss matters material to it rather casually, in a
>public forum, and while the case is pending. Have you retained
>counsel, and do they know that you are doing this? If not, then
>perhaps you might consider consulting with them before continuing this
>practice.
>
> (The above is not intended to, and does not, constitute legal
>advice. For such advice, I recommend that you contact an attorney
>licensed to practice in the State of New York or other relevant
>jurisdiction.)
>
> - Geof Strayer

This is a valid point, but the USCF is an organization of 90,000
current members and 300,000 former members who might be rejoining.

We have a right to ask and receive answers to the questions of why
just four out of these 90,000 can make the totally irrational decision
to terminate almost all of the 25 employees in the New Windsor office
and build a building only one-third the size of what we need in
Crossville Tennessee.

So far, only two of the Gang-of-Four have posted here. The other two
should be encouraged to make their reasons, if they have any, known.

Sam Sloan

David Ames

2004-11-20, 6:46 am

wickdeer3@cs.comKillSpam (Wickdeer3) wrote in message news:<20041119073248.07275.00000799@mb-m10.news.cs.com>...

quote:

> Geoff Strayer wrote:
>
>
> I've been singing this tune for years, but no one has paid any attention.
>
> As a practical matter, however, Mr. Sloan posts because, in his infinite
> narcisism, he imagines that his every act is of interest to the world. Mr.
> Sloan also indulges in pro se litigation for recreation.
>
> I suspect the defendants are posting (a) so that Sam's misinformation does not
> go uncontradicted, and (b) they don't take Sam's lawsuit seriously, which is
> understandable, if not the most prudent course of action.
>
> This is, of course, not offered as legal advice to any person. I do not
> represent USCF or, thank god, Sam Sloan.
>
> Wick Deer

What Sam has written in regard to a lawsuit is not "misinformation"
but "allegations." As such, they ought to be taken seriously. The
evasion of New York laws regardingNot-for-Profit organizations is
potentially a serious matter, as is the assumption of powers by
persons not authorized to have those powers.

David Ames

Spam Scone

2004-11-20, 5:46 pm

worldrecord@juno.com (David Ames) wrote in message news:<f79f061c.0411191611.26d03bde@posting.google.com>...

quote:

> Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote in message news:<3d70394d.0411182122.7515b726@posting.google.com>...
>
> Sam Sloan is famous for acting pro se. Sam pleaded his own case pro
> se before the United States Supreme Court, and won. Give him the
> cite, Sam?
>
> David Ames

And lets have the cites for all the cases Sloan has lost.

Doom & Gloom Dave

2004-11-20, 5:46 pm

Spam Scone wrote:

quote:

> worldrecord@juno.com (David Ames) wrote in message
> news:<f79f061c.0411191611.26d03bde@posting.google.com>...
>
>
> And lets have the cites for all the cases Sloan has lost.

There goes the bandwidth.

ASCACHESS

2004-11-20, 5:46 pm

>This is a valid point, but the USCF is an organization of 90,000

quote:

>current members and 300,000 former members who might be rejoining.
>

The USCF is no longer an organization of 90000, but boy as you optimistic.

Rp

StanB

2004-11-20, 5:46 pm

"ASCACHESS" <ascachess@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041120143214.06162.00000595@mb-m27.aol.com...

quote:

> The USCF is no longer an organization of 90000, but boy as you optimistic.

But there are 300,000 who "might" rejoin. A classic Don Schultz carrot.

David Ames

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote in message news:<20041116014504.23235.00000803@mb-m03.aol.com>...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
> news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...
>
> Sam,
>
> why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

StanB

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:419a389f.29391671@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> It is truly amazing the way that Beatriz, Tim Hanke and you always
> give Beatriz credit for saving the USCF from bankruptcy, whereas the
> rest of us realize that it was Bill Goichberg that did that.

ROTFLMFAO

ChessforLife

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

Sam Sloan

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

On 17 Nov 2004 00:51:49 GMT, chessforlife@aol.com (ChessforLife)
wrote:

quote:

>"As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
>the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
>USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
>was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,
>
>Sam Sloan"
>
>Sam Sloan:
>
>For the record, I did resign from the position of Scholastic Director in March
>2000. Later the same year, I was elected as a member of the Scholastic
>Council.
>
>You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.
>
>Beatriz Marinello

I am confident that the 17 people you fired in August 2003 and the 25
remaining people you are trying to fire now do not agree with your
assessment.

Sam Sloan

Joker

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

"Matt Nemmers" > >>You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.

quote:

> I am confident that 90% of the people you've ever met and who come into

contact with on a daily basis agree with this assessment, shitbag.

quote:

>

Tim Hanke

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

"Joker" <plasmatics@hallmark.com> wrote ...

quote:

>
> What is going on with the USCF, I have not been following this and just have
> returned hopefully participate again. The allegations of Mr. Sloan are
> pretty serious, and why is the USCF moving, and who is Beatriz Marinello?

Mike Nolan

2004-11-21, 12:46 am

timothyhanke@comcast.net (Tim Hanke) writes:

quote:

>Marinello and Hanke are like Bonnie & Clyde.

Tim, I saw the movie. When you were elected to the board you became
IMPORTANT, not impotent. :-)
--
Mike Nolan

KidDon

2004-11-21, 6:55 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> I am a dues paying member of the USCF. That gives me standing.
>
> The board members are guilty of self-dealing. Beatriz wants the move
> to Crossville so that she can fire Bill Goichberg and take his job.
> The last ED was paid more than $100,000 per year.
>
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.
>
> My lawsuit would easily survive a motion to dismiss. The problem as I
> see it is that I am not certain that the judge would be willing to
> order the stay of the move to Crossville until a hearing could be had.
>
> Sorry, but I have to leave now. I have to go down to the United States
> Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, where they are deciding today
> whether to issus an emergency order in my lawsuit against the New York
> City Board of Elections and the Kings County Republican Party.
>
> Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan

2004-11-21, 6:55 am

On 15 Nov 2004 07:31:17 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>Still think so, Sam? It looks like the Judge is leaning the other way:
> "The attorney should address issues such as standing and the
>appropriateness of the remedies requested (including the issuance of
>an injunction against an official of another state)."
>
>
>kiddon

David Ames

2004-11-21, 5:46 pm

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> I am a dues paying member of the USCF. That gives me standing.
>
> The board members are guilty of self-dealing. Beatriz wants the move
> to Crossville so that she can fire Bill Goichberg and take his job.
> The last ED was paid more than $100,000 per year.
>

The stated qualifications for Executive Director are in the November
issue of Chess Life. I wonder if Beatriz Marinello meets those
requirements, such as an advanced degree. Since Sam Sloan alleges
that she is unqualified, it would be interesting to have her depose
and say whether or not she is qualified as stated in Chess Life.

David Ames

KidDon

2004-11-22, 9:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<419f19fc.156431578@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 18 Nov 2004 21:22:12 -0800, Equinorm@AOL.com (Geof) wrote:
>
>
> This is a valid point, but the USCF is an organization of 90,000
> current members and 300,000 former members who might be rejoining.
>
> We have a right to ask and receive answers to the questions of why
> just four out of these 90,000 can make the totally irrational decision
> to terminate almost all of the 25 employees in the New Windsor office
> and build a building only one-third the size of what we need in
> Crossville Tennessee.
>
> So far, only two of the Gang-of-Four have posted here. The other two
> should be encouraged to make their reasons, if they have any, known.
>
> Sam Sloan

__________________________________

I suppose we also have the right to ask why just one out of these
90,000 made the decision to litigate these issues.

kiddon

Sam Sloan

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

On 22 Nov 2004 06:02:02 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>I suppose we also have the right to ask why just one out of these
>90,000 made the decision to litigate these issues.
>
>kiddon

In fact, I have tremendous support.

More than two weeks before filing this lawsuit I asked on this thread
whether the membership would support and agree with me. I received
emails and telephone calls from all over the US from members telling
me to file this suit. If I had not had such strong and widespread
suppport, I would never have filed it.

Almost everybody is afraid to have their names associated with this
suit, especially the 21 employees who are going to lose their jobs
because of the move, so I am the sole named plaintiff, but I have many
backers.

I do wish they would send me some money however, as I am broke and
facing considerable expenses.

Sam Sloan

KidDon

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4198ef38.1339796@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 15 Nov 2004 07:31:17 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> When I first read the decision, I was discouraged for that reason.
> However, on reconsideration I feel that I am winning on the big
> important issues, which is whether sections 510 and 511 apply. If
> those sections do apply, then the only question would be to get the
> right sort of plaintiff that the court would have to agree does have
> standing.
>
> My conclusion is that I will be successful in the goal of stopping the
> move to Crossville. It might turn out that I personally lose my case
> but nevertheless somebody else such as the Attorney General of New
> York will jump in and stop the move.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
> PS Please note that I put you on my mailing list.

ESchember

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 27 Oct 2004 06:17:21 -0700, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
> The USCF which was broke and virtually insolvent one year ago now has
> a million dollars cash in the bank. That is why Beatriz suddenly wants
> the Executive Directors job, so that she can steal the money.
> Previously, there was no money to steal.

Sam,

why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

Sam Sloan

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

On 16 Nov 2004 06:45:04 GMT, eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote:

quote:

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message
>news:<417fad45.25485828@ca.news.verio.net>...
>
>Sam,
>
>why do you think Beatrice Marinello wants to steal money from USCF??

Sam Sloan

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

On 15 Nov 2004 19:44:28 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4198ef38.1339796@ca.news.verio.net>...
>____________________
>Thank you for putting me on your mailing list, but you can save the
>snail mail postage, as I had already read the same pleadings, motions
>and orders on-line via samsloan.com, and check out cases of interest
>via my PACER account on a fairly regular basis.
>
>kiddon

Randy Bauer

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

In article <f79f061c.0411160507.7f8ba615@posting.google.com>, David Ames says...

quote:

>
>eschember@aol.com (ESchember) wrote in message
>news:<20041116014504.23235.00000803@mb-m03.aol.com>...
>
>The issue, as Sam has presented it, is that Beatriz Marinello may put
>herself in a position to despoil and dismantle what remains of USCF,
>after disposing of its sales revenues, by paying herself a large
>salary from the proceeds of a real estate transaction which has
>escaped statutory legal oversight.

quote:

>
>Being a life member of USCF, I believe that is a proper concern. I
>further believe that before USCF removes to Tennessee, courts in New
>York State should establish further jurisdiction over USCF in order to
>assure that the removal is not done to escape the responsibilities
>that have accumulated in over 50 years of New York domicile.

quote:

>
>I have no idea of Ms. Marinello's qualifications and credentials to
>become Executive Director of USCF, so I leave that discussion to
>others.
>
>David Ames

Sam Sloan

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

On 16 Nov 2004 08:24:52 -0800, Randy Bauer <Randy_member@newsguy.com>
wrote:

quote:

>It is untrue and unfair to Beatriz to characterize her in this way. First, it
>was under her leadership as President that the USCF actually had a profit last
>fiscal year after about a decade of deficits. Second, she and Tim Hanke were
>willing to make some hard decisions when the USCF was literally teetering on the
>brink of bankruptcy. Third, Beatriz has spents thousands of dollars of her own
>money and volunteered thousands of hours of her own time in her efforts to
>improve the USCF and market chess in this country. Hers are not the actions of
>one guided by personal gain.

Randy Bauer

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

In article <419a389f.29391671@ca.news.verio.net>, Sam Sloan says...

quote:

>
>On 16 Nov 2004 08:24:52 -0800, Randy Bauer <Randy_member@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>It is truly amazing the way that Beatriz, Tim Hanke and you always
>give Beatriz credit for saving the USCF from bankruptcy, whereas the
>rest of us realize that it was Bill Goichberg that did that.

quote:

>
>As to the "hard decisions" to which you refer above, that refers to
>the fact that when Beatriz became president she immediately fired 17
>USCF employees, thereby getting revenge for the fact that she herself
>was fired from her position as Scholastic Director back in 2000,
>
>Sam Sloan

KidDon

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<4199d5ea.4127890@ca.news.verio.net>...

quote:

> On 15 Nov 2004 19:44:28 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:
>
>
> Interesting, because I am just finding out about PACER. A law student
> called me two days ago saying that she found my cases against the
> Republican Party on PACER. According to her, everything I have filed
> in court on that case is available on PACER. I am wondering if this is
> true. Is somebody scanning in all my documents?
>
> Sam Sloan

_______________________
With regard to the Federal cases, yes, somebody is scanning in all of
the documents you file. I'm not sure about the NY State cases.

kiddon

Sam Sloan

2004-11-23, 12:48 am

On 16 Nov 2004 11:18:25 -0800, tampachessdon@aol.com (KidDon) wrote:

quote:

>_______________________
>With regard to the Federal cases, yes, somebody is scanning in all of
>the documents you file. I'm not sure about the NY State cases.
>
>kiddon

Thank you for letting me know. We will soon find out because Judge
Horowitz just granted my Petition for an Order to Show Cause.

Sam Sloan

Spam Scone

2004-11-23, 6:45 am

chessforlife@aol.com (ChessforLife) wrote in message news:<20041116195149.11514.00000945@mb-m29.aol.com>...

quote:

> Sam Sloan:

(snip)

quote:

> You are a pathological liar and a despicable human being.
>
> Beatriz Marinello

Why sugar-coat things, Beatriz?

Neil Brennen
chessnews at mindspring dot com

sandirhodes

2004-11-23, 6:45 am

"Matt Nemmers" wrote

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" wrote

(ChessforLife) wrote:

quote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I am confident that 90% of the people you've ever met and who come into
> contact with on a daily basis agree with this assessment, shitbag.

And the other 10% think it's an understatement????

sandirhodes

ASCACHESS

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

>> So far, only two of the Gang-of-Four have posted here. The other two

quote:

>
>__________________________________
>
>I suppose we also have the right to ask why just one out of these
>90,000 made the decision to litigate these issues.
>
>kiddon
>

Without commenting on the merits or demerits of Crossville, we do have bylaws
and those bylaws are being ignored.

What recourse do the membership have when the Executive Board ignores the
bylaws?

This pretense that chaos will ensue if any of the "90,000" were allowed to
litigate these issues begs the question of what chaos will ensue if the
Executive Board is allowed to completely ignore the bylaws whenever it so
chooses.

Richard Peterson

ASCACHESS

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

>In fact, I have tremendous support.

quote:

>
>More than two weeks before filing this lawsuit I asked on this thread
>whether the membership would support and agree with me. I received
>emails and telephone calls from all over the US from members telling
>me to file this suit. If I had not had such strong and widespread
>suppport, I would never have filed it.
>
>Almost everybody is afraid to have their names associated with this
>suit, especially the 21 employees who are going to lose their jobs
>because of the move, so I am the sole named plaintiff, but I have many
>backers.
>
>I do wish they would send me some money however, as I am broke and
>facing considerable expenses.
>
>Sam Sloan
>
>

Darn.
You had me right up until Sam the Scam asked for money because YOU are broke.

Sheesh,
Richard Peterson

StanB

2004-11-23, 5:46 pm

"ASCACHESS" <ascachess@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041123104659.07572.00001230@mb-m01.aol.com...

quote:

> Darn.
> You had me right up until Sam the Scam asked for money because YOU are
> broke.

A temporary inconvenience. You see his Samness just had to pony up some rent
for his new pad. But once he's established there he'll have the rent money
to piss away while the landlord tries to evict him.

Sam Sloan

2004-11-24, 12:46 am

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:29:40 -0500, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
>"ASCACHESS" <ascachess@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20041123104659.07572.00001230@mb-m01.aol.com...
>
>
>A temporary inconvenience. You see his Samness just had to pony up some rent
>for his new pad. But once he's established there he'll have the rent money
>to piss away while the landlord tries to evict him.

Wrong. The owner of this apartment went back to Afghanistan to fight
in the war. I am just guarding the place until he returns. I did not
have to pay anything to move here.

Sam Sloan

StanB

2004-11-24, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:41a3c39f.12920781@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> Wrong. The owner of this apartment went back to Afghanistan to fight
> in the war. I am just guarding the place until he returns. I did not
> have to pay anything to move here.

Not really. I was correct in that you were gonna stiff someone for the rent.