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OT: Christopher Reeve dead at 52
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| Matt Nemmers 2004-10-12, 12:48 am |
| My childhood hero. Nobody will ever be Superman again.
Regards,
Matt
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| Mike Murray 2004-10-12, 12:48 am |
| On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:05:47 GMT, "Matt Nemmers"
<qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote:
quote:
>My childhood hero. Nobody will ever be Superman again.
He was definitely more inspiring than *my* childhood version of
Superman (George Reeves), who blew his brains out before I graduated
from high school.
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| Doctor SBD 2004-10-12, 12:48 am |
| Of course, it is a shame when someone like this dies. I enjoyed his courage and
his prediction he would walk again. Of course, I knew it wouldn't happen; we
aren't there neurologically. My first full-time job at age 18 was taking care
of quadriplegics; at that time living 5 years after injury was considered good.
The Superman movies were just garbage in my opinion; they never represented the
comic book well, but that was not Christopher Reeve's fault; he was a good
actor. But that thing where he would slowly "fly" up in the sky - you could
almost see the rope pulling him oh-so-slowly into the air. And that dopey thing
about if Superman had sex, he would lose his powers - whoever came up with that
Hollywood device was pretty moronic.
I almost enjoyed the one he was in with Richard Prior, another favorite actor
of mine now condemned to a slow death.
I agree with Matt that a great man has been lost; I wish he could have
succeeded in his drive to walk again. Someday it will happen to someone, I wish
it had been Mr. Reeve.
SBD
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| The BOBSFan 2004-10-12, 12:48 am |
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"Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message news:klflm0t9v7u5e6a31dsmsf4hvb0nrtls1o@4ax.com...
quote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:05:47 GMT, "Matt Nemmers"
> <qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> He was definitely more inspiring than *my* childhood version of
> Superman (George Reeves), who blew his brains out before I graduated
> from high school.
>
I think the conspiracy theorists have a good case about this one. Jimmy (Jack Larson) Olsen himself thinks it was murder. I wasn't
there, so I don't know what happened, but the documentaries I've seen give much more plausible circumstances than, for instance, the
James Earl Ray case.
TBF
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| Matt Nemmers 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| "The BOBSFan" <threewords@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q9Iad.40761$tU4.35340@okepread06...
quote:
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> "Mike Murray" <mikemurray@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:klflm0t9v7u5e6a31dsmsf4hvb0nrtls1o@4ax.com...
>
> I think the conspiracy theorists have a good case about this one. Jimmy
> (Jack Larson) Olsen himself thinks it was murder. I wasn't
> there, so I don't know what happened, but the documentaries I've seen give
> much more plausible circumstances than, for instance, the
> James Earl Ray case.
>
> TBF
Yeah. And actually, I think Jerry Bibuld has a video tape of the murder.
It's called "In 'It's a Bird, It's a Plane" Sight."
Regards,
Matt
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| doctorsbd@aol.com (Doctor SBD) wrote in message news:<20041011181513.18589.00002343@mb-m29.aol.com>...
quote:
>
> The Superman movies were just garbage in my opinion; they never represented the comic book well ... And that dopey thing about if Superman had sex, he would lose his powers - whoever came up with that Hollywood device was pretty moronic.>>
The proviso was that he must give up his powers before marrying an
earthwoman, not that he would lose them after sex. This actually was a
wise precaution. The issue was examined at length by sci-fi writer
Larry Niven in the essay "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" (see for
example www.redboots.net/comics/moswok.htm, among other sites). Among
many other problems, at the height of passion Superman's embrace would
crush his partner, and his ejaculation would rip though her like
machine-gun fire.
Accepting the basic premises of the Superman mythos, the most
implausible thing about Superman II (otherwise the best of those
films, and decidedly better than garbage) was that Lois Lane would
want to marry Clark Kent after he had renounced his super-powers. Lois
was always a thrill-junkie who had eyes only for Big Blue and thought
Clark was a nerd. Also I always wondered how they got back from the
Fortress of Solitude, far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly
any more.
Taylor Kingston
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| Sam Sloan 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
Kingston) wrote:
quote:
> Also I always wondered how they got back from the
>Fortress of Solitude, far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly
>any more.
>
> Taylor Kingston
Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
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| Bernd M?ller 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| >
quote:
> Yeah. And actually, I think Jerry Bibuld has a video tape of the murder.
> It's called "In 'It's a Bird, It's a Plane" Sight."
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
superman live forever!
www.alexander-schmidt.de supermanpage
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| Matt Nemmers 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| "Bernd M?ller" <kobro@lycos.de> wrote in message
news:9261b27a.0410120725.71914f5b@posting.google.com...
quote:
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> superman live forever!
>
> www.alexander-schmidt.de supermanpage
Liar.
MN
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| Madelin McKinnon 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| It would have been nice if the Bush Administration did not abandon
this cell stem research, activist --a real life superhero, wasn't he?
--just like Kerry and Edwards.
On "Live With Regis and Kelly," host Kelly Ripa suggested actor Tom
Cruise play Edwards if a movie were made of the 2004 campaign. Edwards
then cast Cheney in a scene from "A Few Good Men," the 1992 courtroom
drama in which Cruise's Navy lawyer confronts old-guard Marine Jack
Nicholson.
"Can't you see it now?" Edwards cracked. "Cheney saying, 'You need me
on that wall! You need me on that wall!' And me saying, "You can't
handle the truth!"
To be plain and simple, the Bush Administration is living in a
fantasyland of what is essentially the zeal to promote "counterweight
propaganda" because the truth would deny them the opportunity to
continue to mislead.
http://foxnews.topcities.com/fox.htm
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| Matt Nemmers 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| "Madelin McKinnon" <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote in message
news:8916096a.0410120853.7bdd8ea1@posting.google.com...
quote:
> It would have been nice if the Bush Administration did not abandon
> this cell stem research, activist --a real life superhero, wasn't he?
> --just like Kerry and Edwards.
>
> On "Live With Regis and Kelly," host Kelly Ripa suggested actor Tom
> Cruise play Edwards if a movie were made of the 2004 campaign. Edwards
> then cast Cheney in a scene from "A Few Good Men," the 1992 courtroom
> drama in which Cruise's Navy lawyer confronts old-guard Marine Jack
> Nicholson.
>
> "Can't you see it now?" Edwards cracked. "Cheney saying, 'You need me
> on that wall! You need me on that wall!' And me saying, "You can't
> handle the truth!"
>
> To be plain and simple, the Bush Administration is living in a
> fantasyland of what is essentially the zeal to promote "counterweight
> propaganda" because the truth would deny them the opportunity to
> continue to mislead.
>
>
> http://foxnews.topcities.com/fox.htm
Jerry....?
MN
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<416bcf86.7010796@ca.news.verio.net>...
quote:
> On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
> Kingston) wrote:
>
far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly any more.[vbcol=seagreen]
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> Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
So Botvinnik did it by walking through ice and snow? I didn't think
there was very much of that in Holland in late March. Or was 1948 a
particularly cold winter?
Or are you saying Clark Kent had help from the Soviet authorities,
or was in below-normal form due to his post-war problems? This is
getting very confusing.
TK
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| The Masked Bishop 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| Keres was a putz.
"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:416bcf86.7010796@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:
> On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
> Kingston) wrote:
>
>
> Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
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| NoMoreChess 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| ..
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
Right. Botvinnik (like Clark Kent) just took a deep blue crystal, and
carefully dipping it into a cup of coffee, created a Porsche Carrerra -- which
left the only eyewitness to this -- Paul Keres -- in a blind stupor.
With Superman, the Porsche had extra-wide, steel-spiked tires for traction in
the snow. Why they cut that scene is beyond me. After all, they kept the
scene where Superman "flys" downward to catch a falling helicopter, then
reverses direction in mid-air -- the silliest thing I ever saw!
Everyone knows that Superman does not "fly," he runs (REALLY FAST) and
*leaps,* for example, tall buildings, in a single bound. Without touching
anything, even Superman cannot reverse direction in mid-air -- it's against the
laws of phisics.
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| NoMoreChess 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| ..
quote:
>Keres was a putz.
The way I heard it, he "lacked character." :-)
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| The BOBSFan 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
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"Matt Nemmers" <qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote in message news:f3Oad.376436$Fg5.145048@attbi_s53...
quote:
> "The BOBSFan" <threewords@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Q9Iad.40761$tU4.35340@okepread06...
>
> Yeah. And actually, I think Jerry Bibuld has a video tape of the murder.
> It's called "In 'It's a Bird, It's a Plane" Sight."
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
*chuckle*
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| nomorechess@wmconnect.comkillspam (NoMoreChess) wrote in message news:<20041013012642.21374.00001902@mb-m15.wmconnect.com>...
quote:
> Everyone knows that Superman does not "fly," he runs (REALLY FAST) and
*leaps,* for example, tall buildings, in a single bound. Without
touching anything, even Superman cannot reverse direction in mid-air
-- it's against the laws of phisics. >
Well, if the laws of physics were strictly observed by DC Comics,
very few of Superman's powers would remain. The scope and explanation
of his flying ability went through many mutations after Supe's 1938
debut. At first it was explained, as Mr. Kennedy notes, simply as
leaping ability, in which case Supe would not have been able to change
mid-air direction any more than a thrown stone. However, by the 1950s
he was flying through space, turning, accelerating and decelerating at
will in a vacuum, all in clear violation of laws concerning
conservation of momentum. Thus the helicopter scene in "Superman I"
was entirely consistent with Superman's portrayal in the comics.
Clearly something more than just enhanced muscle power was at work,
but DC was rather light on explanations. Scott Beatty's "Superman: the
Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel" (Dorling Kindersley 2002) is
rather vague, saying "Superman's solar-powered body flies by his own
force of will."
Ultimately, his powers were based on heroic fantasy and suspension
of disbelief. They are better appreciated without minute examination.
With others in this thread I share sorrow at Christopher Reeve's
passing. A nice tribute to him can be found at
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108048/.
Taylor Kingston
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| Mike Murray 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
| On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:05:47 GMT, "Matt Nemmers"
<qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote:
quote:
>My childhood hero. Nobody will ever be Superman again.
He was definitely more inspiring than *my* childhood version of
Superman (George Reeves), who blew his brains out before I graduated
from high school.
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| The BOBSFan 2004-10-15, 5:50 pm |
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"Matt Nemmers" <qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote in message news:f3Oad.376436$Fg5.145048@attbi_s53...
quote:
> "The BOBSFan" <threewords@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Q9Iad.40761$tU4.35340@okepread06...
>
> Yeah. And actually, I think Jerry Bibuld has a video tape of the murder.
> It's called "In 'It's a Bird, It's a Plane" Sight."
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
*chuckle*
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-17, 12:47 am |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<416bcf86.7010796@ca.news.verio.net>...
quote:
> On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
> Kingston) wrote:
>
far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly any more.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
So Botvinnik did it by walking through ice and snow? I didn't think
there was very much of that in Holland in late March. Or was 1948 a
particularly cold winter?
Or are you saying Clark Kent had help from the Soviet authorities,
or was in below-normal form due to his post-war problems? This is
getting very confusing.
TK
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-17, 12:47 am |
| doctorsbd@aol.com (Doctor SBD) wrote in message news:<20041011181513.18589.00002343@mb-m29.aol.com>...
quote:
>
> The Superman movies were just garbage in my opinion; they never represented the comic book well ... And that dopey thing about if Superman had sex, he would lose his powers - whoever came up with that Hollywood device was pretty moronic.>>
The proviso was that he must give up his powers before marrying an
earthwoman, not that he would lose them after sex. This actually was a
wise precaution. The issue was examined at length by sci-fi writer
Larry Niven in the essay "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" (see for
example www.redboots.net/comics/moswok.htm, among other sites). Among
many other problems, at the height of passion Superman's embrace would
crush his partner, and his ejaculation would rip though her like
machine-gun fire.
Accepting the basic premises of the Superman mythos, the most
implausible thing about Superman II (otherwise the best of those
films, and decidedly better than garbage) was that Lois Lane would
want to marry Clark Kent after he had renounced his super-powers. Lois
was always a thrill-junkie who had eyes only for Big Blue and thought
Clark was a nerd. Also I always wondered how they got back from the
Fortress of Solitude, far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly
any more.
Taylor Kingston
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| Sam Sloan 2004-10-17, 12:47 am |
| On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
Kingston) wrote:
quote:
> Also I always wondered how they got back from the
>Fortress of Solitude, far in the frozen north, when Clark couldn't fly
>any more.
>
> Taylor Kingston
Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
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| Matt Nemmers 2004-10-18, 5:47 pm |
| "Bernd M?ller" <kobro@lycos.de> wrote in message
news:9261b27a.0410120725.71914f5b@posting.google.com...
quote:
>
> superman live forever!
>
> www.alexander-schmidt.de supermanpage
Liar.
MN
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| The Masked Bishop 2004-10-18, 5:47 pm |
| Keres was a putz.
"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:416bcf86.7010796@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:
> On 12 Oct 2004 05:23:29 -0700, tkingston@chittenden.com (Taylor
> Kingston) wrote:
>
>
> Same way that Botvinnik won those four games against Keres.
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| NoMoreChess 2004-10-19, 5:47 pm |
| ..
quote:
>Keres was a putz.
The way I heard it, he "lacked character." :-)
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| Taylor Kingston 2004-10-20, 12:46 am |
| nomorechess@wmconnect.comkillspam (NoMoreChess) wrote in message news:<20041013012642.21374.00001902@mb-m15.wmconnect.com>...
quote:
> Everyone knows that Superman does not "fly," he runs (REALLY FAST) and
*leaps,* for example, tall buildings, in a single bound. Without
touching anything, even Superman cannot reverse direction in mid-air
-- it's against the laws of phisics. >
Well, if the laws of physics were strictly observed by DC Comics,
very few of Superman's powers would remain. The scope and explanation
of his flying ability went through many mutations after Supe's 1938
debut. At first it was explained, as Mr. Kennedy notes, simply as
leaping ability, in which case Supe would not have been able to change
mid-air direction any more than a thrown stone. However, by the 1950s
he was flying through space, turning, accelerating and decelerating at
will in a vacuum, all in clear violation of laws concerning
conservation of momentum. Thus the helicopter scene in "Superman I"
was entirely consistent with Superman's portrayal in the comics.
Clearly something more than just enhanced muscle power was at work,
but DC was rather light on explanations. Scott Beatty's "Superman: the
Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel" (Dorling Kindersley 2002) is
rather vague, saying "Superman's solar-powered body flies by his own
force of will."
Ultimately, his powers were based on heroic fantasy and suspension
of disbelief. They are better appreciated without minute examination.
With others in this thread I share sorrow at Christopher Reeve's
passing. A nice tribute to him can be found at
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108048/.
Taylor Kingston
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