Chess politics - Costs of moving to Crossville

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Costs of moving to Crossville

Sam Sloan

2004-10-19, 12:45 am

Costs of moving to Crossville

The Executive Board of the USCF voted yesterday to move to Crossville,
Tennessee. However, in a surprising move, Randy Bauer, one of the few
board members who can add and accomplish other feats of simple
arithmetic, and who was previously believed to be in the pocket of
Beatriz, did not vote for the move.

It appears that Bauer realized that the move to Crossville will cost
more than the other board members realize. Here are some of the costs
involved:

Only about three of the current members of the USCF Staff are going to
be willing to move to Crossville. This means that new employees are
going to have to be hired and trained. A lot of specific chess
knowledge is needed, such as for entering chess tournament rating
reports. Who is going to train these new employees? Will some members
of the current staff go to Crossville to provide training. Or, will
some people from Crossville come up to New Windsor, New York? Either
way, the expenses will be considerable.

Except for the three that move, all of the rest of the USCF staff will
be laid off and will be entitled to receive New York State
Unemployment compensation for the next six months. This alone will
cost the USCF more than $200,000.

The USCF may also have to pay severance pay and pension benefits to
all those dismissed employees.

Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find
suitable personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
requires?

Apparently, the four board members who voted in favor of the move
failed to consider any of these factors.

Sam Sloan

Mike Nolan

2004-10-19, 12:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

>Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find
>suitable personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
>requires?

One of the goals of the new computer system has been to make USCF a
less labor-intensive operation. It's working. Last week there
were 381 memberships processed via the USCF website and the TD/Affiliate
area, 44% of all membership processed and more than the next largest
source of memberships, the 336 that were received in the mail. We expect
to start testing live uploading, checking and processing of
tournament rating reports from TD's later this week.

Sam's population data is seriously out-of-date.

Crossville is approaching 10,000 in population and Cumberland County
is over 45,000.

Further, there are over 500 current or former USCF members in Crossville
in the USCF database and undoubtably many more in rest of Cumberland
County, so there would appear to be a fair number of potential employees
with chess knowledge.

I also doubt Sam has been in a position to hire anyone lately, most
employers have no trouble attracting lots of good candidates. The USCF
had a pretty good stack of resumes from potential employees in Crossville
a year ago, virtually all of them were current or former USCF members, too.
--
Mike Nolan

StanB

2004-10-19, 12:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:417468b3.97986984@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> Except for the three that move, all of the rest of the USCF staff will
> be laid off and will be entitled to receive New York State
> Unemployment compensation for the next six months. This alone will
> cost the USCF more than $200,000.

Hahahahahahhahahahahaha. It cost NY something but it won't even effect
USCF's experience rate because they'll pick up a new employer rate in
Tennessee. Dan Rather blows it again.

quote:

> The USCF may also have to pay severance pay and pension benefits to
> all those dismissed employees.

May is a rather nebulous supporting modifier.

quote:

> Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find
> suitable personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
> requires?

You think Crossville is in the middle of the desert? There are plenty of
people happy to get 10-12 bucks an hour inputting memberships and ratings.

quote:

> Apparently, the four board members who voted in favor of the move
> failed to consider any of these factors.

Couldn't say but it's clear you didn't.

Duncan Oxley

2004-10-19, 6:45 am

"Mike Nolan" <nolan@gw.tssi.com> wrote in message
news:cl1si6$m0i$1@gw.tssi.com...

quote:

> sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
>
>
> One of the goals of the new computer system has been to make USCF a
> less labor-intensive operation. It's working. Last week there
> were 381 memberships processed via the USCF website and the TD/Affiliate
> area, 44% of all membership processed and more than the next largest
> source of memberships, the 336 that were received in the mail. We expect
> to start testing live uploading, checking and processing of
> tournament rating reports from TD's later this week.
>
> Sam's population data is seriously out-of-date.
>
> Crossville is approaching 10,000 in population and Cumberland County
> is over 45,000.
>
> Further, there are over 500 current or former USCF members in Crossville
> in the USCF database and undoubtably many more in rest of Cumberland
> County, so there would appear to be a fair number of potential employees
> with chess knowledge.
>
> I also doubt Sam has been in a position to hire anyone lately, most
> employers have no trouble attracting lots of good candidates. The USCF
> had a pretty good stack of resumes from potential employees in Crossville
> a year ago, virtually all of them were current or former USCF members,
> too.
> --
> Mike Nolan

Thanks Mike.

Please keep up the good work. It has made a big difference for the USCF.

Thanks,
Duncan

Jürgen R.

2004-10-19, 6:45 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:

quote:

>Costs of moving to Crossville
>
>The Executive Board of the USCF voted yesterday to move to Crossville,
>Tennessee. However, in a surprising move, Randy Bauer, one of the few
>board members who can add and accomplish other feats of simple
>arithmetic, and who was previously believed to be in the pocket of
>Beatriz, did not vote for the move.
>
>It appears that Bauer realized that the move to Crossville will cost
>more than the other board members realize. Here are some of the costs
>involved:
>
>Only about three of the current members of the USCF Staff are going to
>be willing to move to Crossville. This means that new employees are
>going to have to be hired and trained.

Three employees ought to be about right for this organization, given
its current activities.

quote:

> A lot of specific chess
>knowledge is needed, such as for entering chess tournament rating
>reports.

Not more than can be acquired in about 10 minutes.

quote:

> Who is going to train these new employees? Will some members
>of the current staff go to Crossville to provide training. Or, will
>some people from Crossville come up to New Windsor, New York? Either
>way, the expenses will be considerable.

quote:

>
>Except for the three that move, all of the rest of the USCF staff will
>be laid off and will be entitled to receive New York State
>Unemployment compensation for the next six months. This alone will
>cost the USCF more than $200,000.

Even I know how to find the loopholes in that law.

quote:

>
>The USCF may also have to pay severance pay and pension benefits to
>all those dismissed employees.
>
>Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find
>suitable personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
>requires?

Name one or two "labor intensive" tasks. 90% of the stuff this
organization does is repetitive and can be automated.

quote:

>
>Apparently, the four board members who voted in favor of the move
>failed to consider any of these factors.

But that's no problem, because you were there to enlighten them.

quote:

>
>Sam Sloan
>

Duncan Oxley

2004-10-19, 6:45 am

quote:

> You think Crossville is in the middle of the desert? There are plenty of
> people happy to get 10-12 bucks an hour inputting memberships and ratings.
>

I have seen that in areas like that where you can buy a house for say
10K-80K 10 dollars an hour is a fortune and people will go for
those jobs like piranhas.

Thanks,
Duncan

HAASpittle

2004-10-19, 9:45 am

"Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find suitable
personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
requires?" (Sam Sloan)
==========
The first 10 or 12 picked off the main street will do fine.

Old Haasie

David Ames

2004-10-19, 9:45 am

nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote in message news:<cl1si6$m0i$1@gw.tssi.com>...

quote:

> Sam's population data is seriously out-of-date.
>
> Crossville is approaching 10,000 in population and Cumberland County
> is over 45,000.
>
> Further, there are over 500 current or former USCF members in Crossville
> in the USCF database and undoubtably many more in rest of Cumberland
> County, so there would appear to be a fair number of potential employees
> with chess knowledge.
>

Population: 10,000.
Current or former USCF members: 500-plus
Percentage: 5%

Tell me another one.

David Ames

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chess_Gen

2004-10-19, 9:45 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:417468b3.97986984@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> Costs of moving to Crossville
>
> The Executive Board of the USCF voted yesterday to move to Crossville,
> Tennessee. However, in a surprising move, Randy Bauer, one of the few
> board members who can add and accomplish other feats of simple
> arithmetic,

I highly doubt that Bauer could count to 10 without using his fingers. Hey
Bauer, think of the bright side of your skank wife debbie's whoring.....for
starters....you the milkman writes YOU a check; and you get great postal
service too!

Angelo DePalma

2004-10-19, 5:47 pm

I have no idea if Sam's numbers are correct (see his other post on Goichberg
firing). However, it wouldn't surprise me if the costs associated with
moving and replacing Bill with Beatriz wipe out USCF's reserves.

In my opinion this is not the time to consider moving.

Uprooting operations and personnel is a big decision that must be evaluated
by a disinterested party (ha-ha. Fat XXXXing chance). For example, maybe you
can pay someone $5 an hour less in Crossville but the costs of severance,
unemployment, relocation, etc. -- easily hundreds of thousands of dollars --
eat up a lot of those dollar differentials.

Assuming someone works 2000 hours a year that's a savings of $10,000 per
employee per year. Times say four employees that's $40,000 per year. What
will the move cost? What will it cost current employees and operations to
schlepp down to Tennessee? What will the legal obligations to former
employees cost? Would it be crazy to estimate the payback time at about 10
years? If so it's a bad deal.

The move to Crossville is idiotic. Considering USCF's financial condition
it's like moving a terminal patient 12,000 miles because the air is better.

The minute we build up some cash reserves someone comes up with a brilliant
idea to flush it down the shit hole.

Angelo

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:417468b3.97986984@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> Costs of moving to Crossville
>
> The Executive Board of the USCF voted yesterday to move to Crossville,
> Tennessee. However, in a surprising move, Randy Bauer, one of the few
> board members who can add and accomplish other feats of simple
> arithmetic, and who was previously believed to be in the pocket of
> Beatriz, did not vote for the move.
>
> It appears that Bauer realized that the move to Crossville will cost
> more than the other board members realize. Here are some of the costs
> involved:
>
> Only about three of the current members of the USCF Staff are going to
> be willing to move to Crossville. This means that new employees are
> going to have to be hired and trained. A lot of specific chess
> knowledge is needed, such as for entering chess tournament rating
> reports. Who is going to train these new employees? Will some members
> of the current staff go to Crossville to provide training. Or, will
> some people from Crossville come up to New Windsor, New York? Either
> way, the expenses will be considerable.
>
> Except for the three that move, all of the rest of the USCF staff will
> be laid off and will be entitled to receive New York State
> Unemployment compensation for the next six months. This alone will
> cost the USCF more than $200,000.
>
> The USCF may also have to pay severance pay and pension benefits to
> all those dismissed employees.
>
> Crossville is a town of only 9,000 people. Where will they find
> suitable personnel to perform the labor intensive tasks the USCF
> requires?
>
> Apparently, the four board members who voted in favor of the move
> failed to consider any of these factors.
>
> Sam Sloan
>

StanB

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
news:nMGdnaSb8uEV9OjcRVn-sA@garden.net...

quote:

>I have no idea if Sam's numbers are correct (see his other post on
>Goichberg firing). However, it wouldn't surprise me if the costs associated
>with moving and replacing Bill with Beatriz wipe out USCF's reserves.

It won't even come close to that.

quote:

> In my opinion this is not the time to consider moving.

Here's a buck, call someone that gives a bowl of pasta about your opinion.

quote:

> Uprooting operations and personnel is a big decision that must be
> evaluated by a disinterested party (ha-ha. Fat XXXXing chance). For
> example, maybe you can pay someone $5 an hour less in Crossville but the
> costs of severance, unemployment, relocation, etc. -- easily hundreds of
> thousands of dollars -- eat up a lot of those dollar differentials.

Severance? What's included in that? Accued vacation pay? How much accrued
vacation pay can mostly part time workers have? Unemployment? This will cost
not one thin dime. Relocation? Not mandatory but I presume something to be
offered to key employees the USCF wishes to retain.

I'm surprised that finacial wizards like you and Sam diss it so quickly.

;)

Doom & Gloom Dave

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

StanB wrote:

quote:

> "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
> news:417468b3.97986984@ca.news.verio.net...
>
>
> Hahahahahahhahahahahaha. It cost NY something but it won't even effect
> USCF's experience rate because they'll pick up a new employer rate in
> Tennessee. Dan Rather blows it again.
>
>
> May is a rather nebulous supporting modifier.
>
>
> You think Crossville is in the middle of the desert? There are plenty
> of people happy to get 10-12 bucks an hour inputting memberships and
> ratings.
>
>
> Couldn't say but it's clear you didn't.

I'd love to see a "insiders" report on the happenings of the second
constitutional congress by Sam Sloan.

Sam Sloan

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:22:12 -0400, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
wrote:

quote:

>
> Unemployment? This will cost not one thin dime.

How do you plan to avoid paying for unemployment? I say that as
someone with some experience, as right now we are living off my wife's
unemployment check, which is considerable. I am sure that the new
manager who fired my wife in a power display had some hard questions
to answer from his new employers.

Sam Sloan

Matt Nemmers

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4175a6be.15380390@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:22:12 -0400, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> How do you plan to avoid paying for unemployment? I say that as
> someone with some experience, as right now we are living off my wife's
> unemployment check, which is considerable. I am sure that the new
> manager who fired my wife in a power display had some hard questions
> to answer from his new employers.
>
> Sam Sloan

Don't mess with Sloan on this one, Stan. He's got an *enormous* amount of
experience with unemployment.

Regards,

Matt

Mike Nolan

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:

quote:

>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:22:12 -0400, "StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net>
>wrote:

quote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
>How do you plan to avoid paying for unemployment?

Sam, it sounds like you have some familiarity with being unemployed, but
you don't have a clue as to how unemployment insurance works from an
employer's perspective.
--
Mike Nolan

StanB

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:4175a6be.15380390@ca.news.verio.net...

quote:

>
> How do you plan to avoid paying for unemployment?

It is called unemployment insurance. You pay it to the Fed on the first
7,000 of compensation ( .8% - $56) whether you lay someone off or not and to
the state. In Pennsylvania it is based on your experience rate (2.3% -
10.5%) times the first $8,000 in wages. If you have a history of laying
people off your experience rate increases as your reserve is decreased. I
pay this on the first 7 and 8,000 in wages of my employees each year. If I
lay someone off they collect unemployment from the State which is partially
reimbursed by the Fed. Then my experience rate goes up until I've rebuilt my
reserve. I could lay everyone off and move to another state and I would pay
nothing to PA.

Stan

StanB

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

"Matt Nemmers" <qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote in message
news:Doidd.422709$Fg5.17179@attbi_s53...

quote:

>
> Don't mess with Sloan on this one, Stan. He's got an *enormous* amount of
> experience with unemployment.

Collecting it, not funding it.

Matt Nemmers

2004-10-20, 12:46 am

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
news:EpadnVyZ2Pk0KujcRVn-og@comcast.com...

quote:

>
> "Matt Nemmers" <qcchess@mcnospamhsi.com> wrote in message
> news:Doidd.422709$Fg5.17179@attbi_s53...
>
>
> Collecting it, not funding it.

That's what I meant.

Regards,

Matt

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chess_Gen

2004-10-20, 6:45 am

> Don't mess with Sloan on this one, Stan. He's got an *enormous* amount of

quote:

> experience with unemployment.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt
>
>

What do you know you 1100 rated, hamburger flipping loser? Sloan is like a
God compared to you, both in chess and in life.

Angelo DePalma

2004-10-20, 5:46 pm

1. I prefaced my comments with a disclaimer re Sam's numbers. I don't know
how unemployment/severance is paid and I admit it. I have never had the
pleasure of living off my wife's "substantial" unemployment check.
2. I'll bet you 200 lbs of Mama Mozzarella's Mangia-Mucho Macaroni that the
move costs triple what they say it will, up to all the cash in the till.
This isn't an accounting prediction, it's based on USCF history and the fact
that someone I trust is apparently being displaced as E.D.
3. Yes, you can replace the guy who sharpens the pencils and the lady who
calls the Chinese takeout place every Friday with lower-priced workers. What
about the costs of schlepping everybody else to Crossville?

Ken Thomas lives down the road from me, about 90 miles from New Windsor. Who
will fly him down to TN to continue the great job he's been doing? I'm
assuming Hanke drives to N.W. as well, as does Bill G. Does Beatriz live
down there? How about all the other folks from the northeast corridor who
work at or consult with USCF? A midweek round trip flight from Newark or
Stewart to Whereversville, TN eats up a lot of $5-per-hour savings.

I'm not saying these folks are irreplaceable, but you have to replace them
or incur huge travel and lodging costs. Should I assume that since 5% of the
population of TN are USCF members that will be easy?

"StanB" <stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
> news:nMGdnaSb8uEV9OjcRVn-sA@garden.net...
>
>
> It won't even come close to that.
>
>
> Here's a buck, call someone that gives a bowl of pasta about your opinion.
>
>
> Severance? What's included in that? Accued vacation pay? How much accrued
> vacation pay can mostly part time workers have? Unemployment? This will
> cost not one thin dime. Relocation? Not mandatory but I presume something
> to be offered to key employees the USCF wishes to retain.
>
> I'm surprised that finacial wizards like you and Sam diss it so quickly.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>

ASCACHESS

2004-10-20, 5:46 pm

>Sloan is like a

quote:

>God compared to you, both in chess and in life.

The ramifications of this sentence are beyond my poor powers to contemplate.

Is this the beginning of a new religion in the offing?
Are there really people out there who worship at the alter of the high taxi?
Fall down on your knees. Prostrate yourselves and ye shall receive the
blessings of the gutter. You knees will be soiled and your pockets emptied.
Sam, I think you may be able to swing this into non-profit status.
I hear there is a building in New Windsor becoming available in April 05.

Rp

StanB

2004-10-22, 12:45 am

"Angelo DePalma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
news:nMGdnaSb8uEV9OjcRVn-sA@garden.net...

quote:

>I have no idea if Sam's numbers are correct (see his other post on
>Goichberg firing). However, it wouldn't surprise me if the costs associated
>with moving and replacing Bill with Beatriz wipe out USCF's reserves.

It won't even come close to that.

quote:

> In my opinion this is not the time to consider moving.

Here's a buck, call someone that gives a bowl of pasta about your opinion.

quote:

> Uprooting operations and personnel is a big decision that must be
> evaluated by a disinterested party (ha-ha. Fat XXXXing chance). For
> example, maybe you can pay someone $5 an hour less in Crossville but the
> costs of severance, unemployment, relocation, etc. -- easily hundreds of
> thousands of dollars -- eat up a lot of those dollar differentials.