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etiquette on ignoring a draw offer.
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| pauldepstein@att.net 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
without saying anything.
No, I don't think so.
Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
Paul Epstein
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| n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| pauldepstein@att.net wrote:
quote:
> GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
> reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
> without saying anything.
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
> Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
> I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
>
My 8 year old grandson was playing against the coach of the high school
chess club that he belongs to. After my grandson made a move, the coach got
up and said, "Let's call it a draw," to which my grandson acquiesced. I
told him that if that happened again, he was to say, "So, are you
resigning? Or do you want to make your move?" A bunch of 12 year olds
standing around. So what?
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| Ed Seedhouse 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 05:12:38 -0800, pauldepstein@att.net wrote:
quote:
>GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
>reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
>without saying anything.
quote:
>No, I don't think so.
Sadly, these GMs are unlikely to consult you. They seem to value the
rules of chess for some unacountable reason.
quote:
>Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
>I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
Actually, it's rude (and illegal) to decline a draw in any way that
contradicts the rule. Perhaps you should look the rule up.
Ed Seedhouse,
Victoria, B.C.
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| Jud McCranie 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 05:12:38 -0800, pauldepstein@att.net wrote:
quote:
>Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do?
I don't think you need to say anything. Making a move declines the
offer. I think it is OK, etiquette wise.
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| Jud McCranie 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| On 22 Feb 2006 05:12:38 -0800, pauldepstein@att.net wrote:
quote:
>GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
>reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
I was at a US Championship, and I never heard a draw offer made, and I
was close enough that I should have been able to hear. One player
would look down at the board and then look up at the other player, and
that seemed to be a draw offer.
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| John Townsend 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| If you were in acute time trouble, you might not want to observe such
"etiquette". In this circumstance, it would be perfectly understandable to
play on without making any comment. Therefore, since at least one exception
exists, it would be wrong, in general, to say that it is ever rude.
Regards,
John Townsend
Howard Staunton research project:
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/page7.html
pauldepstein@att.net wrote in message
<1140613958.527154.319880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
quote:
>GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
>reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
>without saying anything.
>
>No, I don't think so.
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>Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
>I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
>
>Paul Epstein
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| Mike Murray 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:18:40 -0000, "John Townsend"
<john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> wrote:
quote:
>If you were in acute time trouble, you might not want to observe such
>"etiquette". In this circumstance, it would be perfectly understandable to
>play on without making any comment. Therefore, since at least one exception
>exists, it would be wrong, in general, to say that it is ever rude.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Townsend
>Howard Staunton research project:
>http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk/page7.html
There's also the nature of the position when the draw offer is made.
If someone made an offer when it appeared to me reasonable to do so, I
simply said "declined" before moving. If the offer was in a position
where I was clearly winning, the offer itself seemed insulting and I
just ignored it.
But I never felt anyone was outright rude to decline *my* offer simply
by moving -- just another way to do it.
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| Alan OBrien 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| <pauldepstein@att.net> wrote in message
news:1140613958.527154.319880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
> reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
> without saying anything.
>
> No, I don't think so.
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> Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
> I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
That is what I have always done. It is definitely correct etiquete.
It may cause problems whe the person you offer a draw is deaf, like
Petrosian, who could ignore some offers and pretend to hear others.
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| CeeBee 2006-02-26, 7:37 pm |
| pauldepstein@att.net wrote in rec.games.chess.misc:
quote:
> GM Nigel Davies has written that it is perfectly correct etiquette to
> reject a draw offer by simply ignoring the opponent, and making a move
> without saying anything.
>
> No, I don't think so.
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> Does anyone else agree with him that this is an o.k. thing to do? Yes,
> I know it's perfectly legal, but it's rude isn't it?
As you already observe, it's in compliance with rule 9.1 of the FIDE rules
of chess. The rules also include article 12 about the proper behaviour of
the player. As rule 9.1 isn't restricted in 12, it's proper etiquette, as
"etiquette" in competetive sport is not behaving like we want people to
behave, but play according to the rules both in _spirit_ and following the
_written_ rules, as rule 9.1 is _very_ specific about how to reject a draw.
There's no use comparing highly professional and competetive chess by GM's
with the regular interaction of club chess players, leaving a lot more
freedom. On a normal club level it might be chosen as proper etiquette, in
top sport it's quite another discussion.
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| MrMarshall 2006-02-26, 11:31 pm |
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It is like firing someone there is really no "nice" way of doing it.
Depending on my oppenent .....If it is a strong player (strong to me)
to decline I
just ignore and play they will know that it is not rude. If it is
someone I think is not so experienced I will say "Let's play on a
little" or "I will think about it".
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MrMarshall
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| Harold Buck 2006-02-26, 11:31 pm |
| In article <MrMarshall.23v5jd@chessbanter.com>,
MrMarshall <MrMarshall.23v5jd@chessbanter.com> wrote:
quote:
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> It is like firing someone there is really no "nice" way of doing it.
> Depending on my oppenent .....If it is a strong player (strong to me)
> to decline I
> just ignore and play they will know that it is not rude. If it is
> someone I think is not so experienced I will say "Let's play on a
> little" or "I will think about it".
What I think we can all agree on is that if your draw offer is declined
by your opponent, you should continue to offer a draw on every move
until the opponent accepts your offer or mates you. Maybe even after he
mates you.
--Harold Buck
"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."
-Homer J. Simpson
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"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:no_one_knows-DF8A91.21061526022006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
quote:
> In article <MrMarshall.23v5jd@chessbanter.com>,
> MrMarshall <MrMarshall.23v5jd@chessbanter.com> wrote:
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> What I think we can all agree on is that if your draw offer is declined
> by your opponent, you should continue to offer a draw on every move
> until the opponent accepts your offer or mates you. Maybe even after he
> mates you.
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> --Harold Buck
I know that you are not serious here but it is against the rules of chess.
Repeated draw offers is considered as harassment,
Regards
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| Jonas Hoffmann 2006-02-27, 7:35 pm |
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Mike Murray schrieb:
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> There's also the nature of the position when the draw offer is made.
> If someone made an offer when it appeared to me reasonable to do so, I
> simply said "declined" before moving. If the offer was in a position
> where I was clearly winning, the offer itself seemed insulting and I
> just ignored it.
>
Thats what i think too.
mfg. Jonas
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| David Richerby 2006-02-27, 7:35 pm |
| Harold Buck <no_one_knows@comcast.net> wrote:
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> What I think we can all agree on is that if your draw offer is
> declined by your opponent, you should continue to offer a draw on
> every move until the opponent accepts your offer or mates you. Maybe
> even after he mates you.
Definitely after he mates you. I mean, the game's over then so the
rules don't apply any more. It'll teach 'em to accept the offer next
time.
Dave.
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| Harold Buck 2006-02-27, 7:35 pm |
| In article <dtuf88$eb9$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Terry" <terry@tbean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
quote:
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> "Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:no_one_knows-DF8A91.21061526022006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
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> I know that you are not serious here but it is against the rules of chess.
> Repeated draw offers is considered as harassment,
>
Yes, it was a joke.
--Harold Buck
"Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."
-Homer J. Simpson
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