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How to setup a home network for FS9?
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| pcgamer 2006-03-24, 2:03 pm |
| I need help on this:
I have two computers (call them computer A and computer B). Currently,
there is no networking between them. Each has its own Lan card and
modem for connection to the Internet. Each can play FS9 on its own or
can connect via Internet to join other players around the world.
Now, my aim is to connect A and B together so that they can form a
little network for a 2-player flying session.
I imagine it is not as simple as using an USB cable connecting a USB
port of computer A to a USB port of computer OR, using a CAT-5 cable
connecting the lan card of each computer?
Do I need a router ? Is it the same as a hub?
What kind of router do I need (if there are many kinds) and about how
much is one of these?
Naming 1 or 2 specific brand+model numbers will be very helpful for me.
I am not familiar with networking at all and would be very happy if
someone can give some detailed advice.
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| pcgamer wrote:
quote:
> I need help on this:
> I have two computers (call them computer A and computer B). Currently,
> there is no networking between them. Each has its own Lan card and
> modem for connection to the Internet. Each can play FS9 on its own or
> can connect via Internet to join other players around the world.
> Now, my aim is to connect A and B together so that they can form a
> little network for a 2-player flying session.
>
> I imagine it is not as simple as using an USB cable connecting a USB
> port of computer A to a USB port of computer OR, using a CAT-5 cable
> connecting the lan card of each computer?
>
Actually, it's just that easy. All you need to connect the two computers
together is a CAT5 cross-over cable. You can pick one of these up at
mostly any store. This one isn't too bad:
http://www.compusa.com/products/pro...0586&pfp=SEARCH
quote:
> Do I need a router ? Is it the same as a hub?
> What kind of router do I need (if there are many kinds) and about how
> much is one of these?
> Naming 1 or 2 specific brand+model numbers will be very helpful for me.
>
> I am not familiar with networking at all and would be very happy if
> someone can give some detailed advice.
Routers are only used when you want some computers on a network to be
able to talk to others on another. For example, most home networks have
addresses 192.168.1.X while ISP assigned IPs (for DSL, Cable, etc.) are
on another (e.g. 68.39.111.X). In order for packets to get from one
network (192.168.1.X) to the other (68.39.111.X), you need a router.
Hubs/switches vary in that they're used to connect computers on the same
network. If you only want to connect two computers together, use the
crossover cable for a PC-to-PC connection. Otherwise, a hub/switch is
better suited in connecting more than two computers together.
Hubs and switches are similiar, but switches don't pass as much (if any)
broadcast data to the other ports. There's trade-offs between using
both, but this is about how much I remember from my network admin days 
To give you an example scenario, if you chose to sign-up for DSL/Cable,
the provider may give you a DSL modem as part of your contract. If you
wanted to connect only one PC to the Internet, then the modem is all you
need. Otherwise, you will need a router to connect more than two
computers to the Internet. The computers would talk to the router
(assuming you get one with an integrated switch/hub) and the router
talks to modem.
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| pcgamer 2006-03-24, 2:03 pm |
| First, thank for the quick reply.
I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
CAT5 crossover cable.
I have a follow up question:
How about software settings?
I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
the 2 computers can recognize each other.
OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
recognize each other automatically?
Please advise.
Mike wrote:
quote:
> pcgamer wrote:
> Actually, it's just that easy. All you need to connect the two computers
> together is a CAT5 cross-over cable. You can pick one of these up at
> mostly any store. This one isn't too bad:
> http://www.compusa.com/products/pro...0586&pfp=SEARCH
>
>
>
> Routers are only used when you want some computers on a network to be
> able to talk to others on another. For example, most home networks have
> addresses 192.168.1.X while ISP assigned IPs (for DSL, Cable, etc.) are
> on another (e.g. 68.39.111.X). In order for packets to get from one
> network (192.168.1.X) to the other (68.39.111.X), you need a router.
>
> Hubs/switches vary in that they're used to connect computers on the same
> network. If you only want to connect two computers together, use the
> crossover cable for a PC-to-PC connection. Otherwise, a hub/switch is
> better suited in connecting more than two computers together.
>
> Hubs and switches are similiar, but switches don't pass as much (if any)
> broadcast data to the other ports. There's trade-offs between using
> both, but this is about how much I remember from my network admin days
>
> To give you an example scenario, if you chose to sign-up for DSL/Cable,
> the provider may give you a DSL modem as part of your contract. If you
> wanted to connect only one PC to the Internet, then the modem is all you
> need. Otherwise, you will need a router to connect more than two
> computers to the Internet. The computers would talk to the router
> (assuming you get one with an integrated switch/hub) and the router
> talks to modem.
>
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| XP has a NETWORK SETUP WIZARD accessible from Control Panel>Network
Connections.
"pcgamer" <pcgamer@1234> wrote in message news:4420092c@127.0.0.1...[vbcol=seagreen]
> First, thank for the quick reply.
>
> I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
> flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
> CAT5 crossover cable.
>
> I have a follow up question:
> How about software settings?
> I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
> the 2 computers can recognize each other.
> OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
> recognize each other automatically?
>
> Please advise.
>
>
>
> Mike wrote:
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| Gregory 2006-03-24, 2:03 pm |
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___| reply |__________________________________________________________
First, thank for the quick reply.
I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
CAT5 crossover cable.
I have a follow up question:
How about software settings?
I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
the 2 computers can recognize each other.
OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
recognize each other automatically?
Please advise
quote:
>
_____________________________________________________________________
Good topic.. have recently cross-conenct cable between PC's.. but let's
expand on this a bit. Eacj PC has a NIC (one is integrated) however I
wanted to have a `secure LAN..´ that is, one that isn't connected to
the WAN via router and immuned to other family member PC's.
The answer is to pop a 2nd NIC into each box!! Fortunately had a box
or older NetGear 10/100 NICs with the famous DEC chipset (a favorite in
Linux circles).
Now there are TWO network adapters.. the primary (WAN device) has IP
protocol enabled however the secondary (private or p-LAN device) has
only Win Networking (and I think NetBEUI) enabled. The p-LAN needs only
a crossover cable to function and is auto-discovered and configured in
Win2k OS.
If more than TWO PC's are p-Lan'd then a hub or switch is required to
network. The `uplink´ button on these devices serves to switch the LAST
port either straight or x-over.
So.. you might want to pop in additional NICs and x-over them. There's
no wide-area connection and by making an ICON for each in the tray..
you can easily enable-disable each device.
-Gregory
p.s. weather can still be retreived via the WAN port.. and that device
has all the security software looking after it (the IP protocol.) The
p-LAN is direct and unemcumbered with security monitoring/overhead.
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| Great topic - thanks!
Hope I get to understand all of this BEFORE Social Security....
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:27:11 -0600, Gregory
<flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:
quote:
>
>___| reply |__________________________________________________________
>
>First, thank for the quick reply.
>
>I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
>flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
>CAT5 crossover cable.
>
>I have a follow up question:
>How about software settings?
>I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
>the 2 computers can recognize each other.
>OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
>recognize each other automatically?
>
>Please advise
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
>
>Good topic.. have recently cross-conenct cable between PC's.. but let's
>expand on this a bit. Eacj PC has a NIC (one is integrated) however I
>wanted to have a `secure LAN..´ that is, one that isn't connected to
>the WAN via router and immuned to other family member PC's.
>
>The answer is to pop a 2nd NIC into each box!! Fortunately had a box
>or older NetGear 10/100 NICs with the famous DEC chipset (a favorite in
>Linux circles).
>
>Now there are TWO network adapters.. the primary (WAN device) has IP
>protocol enabled however the secondary (private or p-LAN device) has
>only Win Networking (and I think NetBEUI) enabled. The p-LAN needs only
>a crossover cable to function and is auto-discovered and configured in
>Win2k OS.
>
>If more than TWO PC's are p-Lan'd then a hub or switch is required to
>network. The `uplink´ button on these devices serves to switch the LAST
>port either straight or x-over.
>
>So.. you might want to pop in additional NICs and x-over them. There's
>no wide-area connection and by making an ICON for each in the tray..
>you can easily enable-disable each device.
>
> -Gregory
>
>
>p.s. weather can still be retreived via the WAN port.. and that device
>has all the security software looking after it (the IP protocol.) The
>p-LAN is direct and unemcumbered with security monitoring/overhead.
>
>_________________________________________________________
>Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums at http://forums.simradar.com
>Visit www.simradar.com and try our Flight Simulation Search Engine!
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| pcgamer wrote:
quote:
> First, thank for the quick reply.
>
> I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
> flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
> CAT5 crossover cable.
>
> I have a follow up question:
> How about software settings?
> I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
> the 2 computers can recognize each other.
> OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
> recognize each other automatically?
>
> Please advise.
>
As others have mentioned, I'd try the wizard first. I never used wizards
to setup the network. This may also be of some help:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...ed/default.mspx
Now that I'm thinking about your first post, are you going to need
Internet access on both computers? If so, why not just use one modem on
one computer? Basically you'd designate a host to be the gateway, say
host A, and via Internet connection sharing you can have host B's route
to the Internet be through host A.
Here's some ascii art on the diagram... put into notepad to see clearly.
This...
__________ __________
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| Host B | ----- CAT5 cross over --------> | Host B | --- Dialup
connection to Internet --->
|__________| Inet connection sharing |__________|
Instead of this....
__________ __________
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| Host B | ----- CAT5 cross over --------> | Host B |
|__________| Inet connection sharing |__________|
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\ / \ /
* *
56k conxn. 56k conxn.
Of course if you have two phone lines, then having both computers with
one modem will be fine. If you want to get fancy (and if your ISP
permits it), you can do IP multilinking... basically dialing two modems
up to your ISP (requiring two phone lines of course..) and getting twice
the connection speed
Mike
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| Gregory 2006-03-24, 2:03 pm |
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That's funny!! this is a great group. I've marked-up and corrected the
mispells and clarified things in QUOTE below. Maybe will post some
photos and figures because this is slick, and works with `no problems.´
One simply needs a few knowlege points and everything will
autoconfigure and work fine.
___| reply |__________________________________________________________
Great topic - thanks!
Hope I get to understand all of this BEFORE Social Security....
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:27:11 -0600, Gregory
<flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:
quote:
>
>___| reply |__________________________________________________________
quote:
>
>First, thank for the quick reply.
>
>I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
>flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
quote:
>CAT5 crossover cable.
>
>I have a follow up question:
>How about software settings?
>I think I need to do some settings in WinXP of both computers so that
quote:
>the 2 computers can recognize each other.
>OR, after connecting them with a Lan cross-over cable, they can
>recognize each other automatically?
>
>Please advise
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
quote:
>
>Good topic.. have recently cross-connected two PC's with a CAT5
crossover cable. Each PC already had a NIC (Network Interface Card)
however I wanted to have a `secure and private LAN..´ that is, one that
isn't connected to the WAN via router and immuned to other family
member PC's which share the router.
quote:
>
>The answer is to install a 2nd NIC into each box!! Fortunately had
several older NetGear 10/100 NICs with the famous Digital Equipment
Corp (DEC) chipset.. an old favorite in Linux circles.
quote:
>
>Now there are TWO network adapters in each PC.. the primary (WAN
device) which has IP protocol enabled. The secondary NIC (private or
p-LAN device) has only Win Networking (and I think NetBEUI) enabled.
The p-LAN needs only a crossover cable (x-over) to function and is
auto-discovered and configured in Win2k OS.
quote:
>
>If more than TWO PC's are p-Lan'd then a hub or switch is required to
network. The `uplink´ button on these devices serves to switch the LAST
port either straight or x-over.
quote:
>
>So.. you might want to install an additional NIC in two PCs and x-over
them. There's no wide-area connectivity and by making a tray icon for
each.. you can easily enable-disable each device.
quote:
>
>Weather, etc., can still be retreived via the WAN port and that device
has all the security software looking after it (the IP protocol.) The
p-LAN is direct and unemcumbered with security monitoring / overhead.
quote:
>
>
> -Gregory
>
_____________________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________
Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums at http://forums.simradar.com
Visit www.simradar.com and try our Flight Simulation Search Engine!
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| Bob Bosen 2006-03-24, 2:04 pm |
| I published a free video documenting this EXACT situation. It's available
here:
http://www.askmisterwizard.com/Free...EthernetLan.htm
I hope this helps!
-Bob Bosen-
www.AskMisterWizard.com
Educational videos for people with work to do
"pcgamer" <pcgamer@1234> wrote in message news:4420092c@127.0.0.1...
quote:
> First, thank for the quick reply.
>
> I only want to connect 2 computers together for holding FS9 2-player
> flying session and so I think I will go the cheapest way by getting a
> CAT5 crossover cable.
>
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| pcgamer 2006-03-24, 2:04 pm |
| May I ask how do I download that video for free?
It says click one of the 5 formats for a free download.
But I click one and it takes me to a page with an unclickable "FREE"
next to the "Download".
Is it only free when you buy something else?
Or, it is truly free for download?
Please advise.
Thank you.
Bob Bosen wrote:
quote:
> I published a free video documenting this EXACT situation. It's available
> here:
>
> http://www.askmisterwizard.com/Free...EthernetLan.htm
>
>
> I hope this helps!
>
>
> -Bob Bosen-
> www.AskMisterWizard.com
> Educational videos for people with work to do
>
>
> "pcgamer" <pcgamer@1234> wrote in message news:4420092c@127.0.0.1...
>
>
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| John Ward 2006-03-24, 2:04 pm |
| Great question, mate!!
JW
"pcgamer" <pcgamer@1234> wrote in message news:44210c0b$1@127.0.0.1...[vbcol=seagreen]
> May I ask how do I download that video for free?
> It says click one of the 5 formats for a free download.
> But I click one and it takes me to a page with an unclickable "FREE" next
> to the "Download".
> Is it only free when you buy something else?
> Or, it is truly free for download?
> Please advise.
> Thank you.
>
> Bob Bosen wrote:
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| Bob Bosen 2006-03-24, 2:05 pm |
| Sorry.... It's not supposed to be so complicated, but I just tried it and I
can see that we may need to simplify things.
If you try to avoid creating an account and logging in, you just get led
around in circles. Sigh.... I'm gonna hafta whine to our Storefront
provider about that.
In the meantime, if you create an account, it's fairly easy. Our server
logs indicate that several people have downloaded it during the past few
hours.
I've found it's easier, however, to get this from google videos. Here's a
direct URL:
http://video.google.com/videosearch...st+Ethernet+Lan
Or you can just go to Google Video and enter "AskMisterWizard" in the search
box, which will take you directly to all of our free videos. I should have
posted the Google Video link yesterday.... it's a lot easier.
I hope this helps!
-Bob Bosen-
www.AskMisterWizard.com
Educational videos for people with work to do
"John Ward" <johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:44210d13$0$20116$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
quote:
> Great question, mate!!
>
> JW
> "pcgamer" <pcgamer@1234> wrote in message news:44210c0b$1@127.0.0.1...
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| Marcel Kuijper 2006-03-24, 2:06 pm |
| On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:57:03 GMT, Bob Bosen wrote:
quote:
> Or you can just go to Google Video and enter "AskMisterWizard" in the search
> box, which will take you directly to all of our free videos. I should have
> posted the Google Video link yesterday.... it's a lot easier.
Extremely simple indeed....and I fortunately still have a half a mile of
that cable neatly tucked away in a drawer.....but how do I do this with a
wireless setup?
I have a desktop in one room and a laptop in another room, both running XP
Pro and both have no trouble whatsoever connecting to the internet
individually....but I can't get them to see eachother!
I tried the wizard every which way but loose, created dummy accounts,
unmasked IDs, you name it.....but nada.
I then realized both computers had the same IP-addresses.
Reconfigured the desktop, gave it a sequential IP-address and still zip!
That's when I gave up.
So how about it, Mr. Obvious. Can you help me? <g>
--
Marcel (SAG-21)
"No...THIS one goes THERE, THAT one goes THERE!" - Han Solo
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| Bob Bosen 2006-03-24, 2:06 pm |
| "Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l36fwlqhebvj$.1ftkwx91qnfj3.dlg@40tude.net...
quote:
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:57:03 GMT, Bob Bosen wrote:
>
>
> Extremely simple indeed....and I fortunately still have a half a mile of
> that cable neatly tucked away in a drawer.....but how do I do this with a
> wireless setup?
>
> I have a desktop in one room and a laptop in another room, both running XP
> Pro and both have no trouble whatsoever connecting to the internet
> individually....but I can't get them to see eachother!
>
> I tried the wizard every which way but loose, created dummy accounts,
> unmasked IDs, you name it.....but nada.
> I then realized both computers had the same IP-addresses.
> Reconfigured the desktop, gave it a sequential IP-address and still zip!
> That's when I gave up.
>
> So how about it, Mr. Obvious. Can you help me? <g>
>
The "My Network Places" facility is very complex, and depends on cooperation
between 2 or more of your local computers. Sometimes it's useful to "help"
Microsoft along a bit.
Temporarily disable any firewalls that might be interfering. You can enable
them again later.
You might try using the "Search" facility (Start -> Search -> Computers or
People -> A computer on the network -> Computer name)
Then enter the local, private IP address of one of the computers in your
network with which you wish to establish communication. Give it a couple of
minutes, and an icon representing the other computer should appear in the
big white box at the right of the "Search Results" frame. You can then
"Drag" that Icon into the "My Network Places" frame (or you can double-click
on the icon to access it's shared resources).
If you are not familiar with local, private IP addresses, you might enjoy
some of our other videos. The best "free" one is here:
http://www.askmisterwizard.com/Free...WithBrowser.htm
Make sure you have designated at least one shared folder on every computer
that you want to discover.
You can find a lot of additional help here:
http://forum.homenethelp.com/Read_t...ms/m_919/tm.htm
Did you have any trouble understanding the content of that "Easiest Ethernet
LAN" video?
Regards,
-Bob Bosen-
bbosen@AskMisterWizard.com
www.AskMisterWizard.com
Tutorial videos for people with work to do
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