Flight simulator - Its OFFICIAL!

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Its OFFICIAL!

2006-10-08, 7:46 pm

Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that
according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the packaging of
the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of the
front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
Windows.........

Evidence is here:-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...SXCover0001.jpg

IS this an intentional ploy to sell more copies to the gamer that likes
mindlessly shooting things?...........or an accidental slap in the face to
those people who like to think of their hobby as "More than just playing
videogames on my PC".........will we see Official expansion packs adding
collectable power ups (like anti-gravity, triple firing plasma cannons, and
remotely assisted auto-targetting drones) and will there be online
Deathmatches where you have to force your oppenents to crash???

[Dons flame retardent undies and awaits the fire]

Honestly though I was a little shocked to see it myself...........I think I
will stick with FS9.........Otherwise I can just imagine the missus laughing
at my "No honey I am NOT playing games again, acutally I am learning correct
approach procedures to a CAT III ILS runway........."

--
M
------
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security
will deserve neither and lose both."
[Benjamin Franklin]

"War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."
[Erasmus]

"A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
[Thucydides]

Tom Orle

2006-10-08, 7:46 pm

"M" <spam@spamme.com> wrote:

quote:

>Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that
>according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
>sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the packaging of
>the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of the
>front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
>Windows.........

Yeah, yeah, right!!
MS even makes darkness official if a lightbulb burns out :-)
Can you really trust those guys?

-=tom=-

Gregory

2006-10-08, 7:46 pm

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:39:35 GMT, "M" <spam@spamme.com> brought the
following to our attention:

quote:

>Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that
>according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
>sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the packaging of
>the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of the
>front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
>Windows.........
>
>Evidence is here:-
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...SXCover0001.jpg

Ouu..sharpness control on that package!!

)

Speaking of flak and flame-retandent kevies.. did y'all notice the logo
in the upper-left corner. Is that not an `eye´ with a four-bladed cutter
wheel in the middle? And note the pyramids at the bottom..is Ancient
Egyptian mysticism included at no extra charge? LOL

-G

aakermit

2006-10-08, 7:46 pm

In a world where North Korea and Iran have atomic bombs it probably
doesn't matter too much whether FSX is a game or a simulation. Let the
games begin!

SnakeEyes

2006-10-08, 7:46 pm

Gregory wrote:

quote:

>
>
> Ouu..sharpness control on that package!! )
>
> Speaking of flak and flame-retandent kevies.. did y'all notice the logo
> in the upper-left corner. Is that not an `eye=B4 with a four-bladed cutter
> wheel in the middle? And note the pyramids at the bottom..is Ancient
> Egyptian mysticism included at no extra charge? LOL
>
>
> -G

Once again, Gregory, you've left me in the dark. What is a
flame-retandent kevies?
..=2E....and how do you see the MS logo as a four-bladed cutter wheel?
You have a vivid imagination, good buddy, which is a pre-requisite to
be an effective simmer. Good for you.

SnakeEyes

Gregory

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

On 8 Oct 2006 16:42:34 -0700, "SnakeEyes" <agalspector@hotmail.com>
brought the following to our attention:

quote:

>
>Gregory wrote:
>
>
>Once again, Gregory, you've left me in the dark. What is a
>flame-retandent kevies?

Hi Snake.. will provide complimentary clarification.

Was making a joke about fire-resistant undergarments..
see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar

expecting to get flamed, that is.

)

quote:

>......and how do you see the MS logo as a four-bladed cutter wheel?
>You have a vivid imagination, good buddy, which is a pre-requisite to
>be an effective simmer. Good for you.

It's hidden in plain view. Lookie-here at what we have in Springfield:

http://www.springfieldmuseums.org

The logo, ancient mysticism, sun rays, even home of the CAT!
Right across the street from the old temple hall, and down from
the 194 y/o Armory. Rifles for every war in the past two centuries.
That's all I can say about it really. Even more strange things are
going on around here. Can't go into it much -- No proof!

Have fun with your new game..I mean simulator. I'm going for a Sim
soon. Want to see some screencaps? { grin }

-G

quote:

>SnakeEyes

Cat in the Hat

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

Yeah, I saw that little tag on the package. And with FSX, it IS a SIMULATION
game.(Capitals for emphasis, not shouting in this reply). As all the
previous versions of the sim, it was a true sim as far as the home market.
But this version has the missions that are actually a game within the sim.
So be it. I can live with it.
I have two ship simulators in my computer. Virtual Sailor 7, which
simulates the sailing characteristics of various ships, boats, submarines,
etc. My other one, Ship Simulator 2006, is more a game, with missions to
complete. I like 'em both. BUT, one is a true sim, the other just a game.
However, I think we have seen the last version of a true flight sim with
FS2004,FS9, ACOF.
Tom
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quote:

> Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that
> according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
> sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the packaging
> of the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of
> the front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
> Windows.........
>
> Evidence is here:-
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...SXCover0001.jpg
>
> IS this an intentional ploy to sell more copies to the gamer that likes
> mindlessly shooting things?...........or an accidental slap in the face to
> those people who like to think of their hobby as "More than just playing
> videogames on my PC".........will we see Official expansion packs adding
> collectable power ups (like anti-gravity, triple firing plasma cannons,
> and remotely assisted auto-targetting drones) and will there be online
> Deathmatches where you have to force your oppenents to crash???
>
> [Dons flame retardent undies and awaits the fire]
>
> Honestly though I was a little shocked to see it myself...........I think
> I will stick with FS9.........Otherwise I can just imagine the missus
> laughing at my "No honey I am NOT playing games again, acutally I am
> learning correct approach procedures to a CAT III ILS runway........."
>
>
> --
> M
> ------
> "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security
> will deserve neither and lose both."
> [Benjamin Franklin]
>
> "War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."
> [Erasmus]
>
> "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
> [Thucydides]
>
>

Bryan

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

Cat in the Hat wrote:

quote:

> Yeah, I saw that little tag on the package. And with FSX, it IS a SIMULATION

<big snip>

Hey Cat, they have an exhibit about you at the Springfield museum!!!

Bryan

Crash Lander

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

"Bryan" <csr_bear@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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quote:

> Cat in the Hat wrote:
>
>
> <big snip>
>
> Hey Cat, they have an exhibit about you at the Springfield museum!!!
>
> Bryan

I saw that too! :-)
Crash Lander

Gregory

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:21:52 +1000, Bryan <csr_bear@yahoo.com.au>
brought the following to our attention:

quote:

>Cat in the Hat wrote:
>
>
><big snip>
>
>Hey Cat, they have an exhibit about you at the Springfield museum!!!
>
>Bryan

Yep.. http://www.catinthehat.org/history.htm his name is Ted Geisel.

There are Cat signs all over the city now.. and other strange things.
Or maybe it's that we break thru the `glass ceiling´.. jump out of the
`fish tank´ so-to-speak, and become hyper-aware!!

-G

John Ward

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

STOP IT, Gregory.!!!

You're upsetting many people, including me.

It's more than obvious that you're a very intelligent bloke, but I think you
have too much time on your hands, and need to get re-employed, mate!!

Just my 3 cents worth.

JW
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quote:

> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:39:35 GMT, "M" <spam@spamme.com> brought the
> following to our attention:
>
>
>
> Ouu..sharpness control on that package!! )
>
> Speaking of flak and flame-retandent kevies.. did y'all notice the logo
> in the upper-left corner. Is that not an `eye´ with a four-bladed cutter
> wheel in the middle? And note the pyramids at the bottom..is Ancient
> Egyptian mysticism included at no extra charge? LOL
>
>
> -G
>

Gregory

2006-10-08, 11:38 pm

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:05:17 +1000, "John Ward"
<johnrmward@optusnet.com.au> brought the following to our attention:

quote:

>STOP IT, Gregory.!!!
>
>You're upsetting many people, including me.

Ok John.. I'll have to opt-out and apologise. The O.P.
did say "Let me start a friendly flame war..."

quote:

>.. I think you have too much time on your hands, and need
>to get re-employed, mate!!

That's true, but things are a bit of a mess now. Too young
to retire as well. You can find out who owns the Cat and runs
the museum. Must hang this one up.

-G

quote:

>Just my 3 cents worth.
>
>JW

Gregory

2006-10-09, 2:42 am

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:39:35 GMT, "M" <spam@spamme.com> brought the
following to our attention:

quote:

>Let me start a friendly flame war....
>
>with the OFFICIAL announcement that...Flight Simulator is a GAME
>....according to reliable sources the packaging of Flight Simulator X
>states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of the front cover
>.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for Windows.........

Now hold it.. I'M NOT DONE YET!! Besides the stripe at the top that
says GAME, what's the primary theme of the package?? Ignoring the
helicopter slice and the float plane slice -- what is it?? Will shut up
and see what you find. Look aGaiN at the JPG below and assume
the 747 and LearJet are thrown in for decor (i.e. filter them out.)

So who designed the carton??

quote:

>Evidence is here:-
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...SXCover0001.jpg

Crash Lander

2006-10-09, 2:42 am

"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:39:35 GMT, "M" <spam@spamme.com> brought the
> following to our attention:
>
>
> Now hold it.. I'M NOT DONE YET!! Besides the stripe at the top that
> says GAME, what's the primary theme of the package?? Ignoring the
> helicopter slice and the float plane slice -- what is it?? Will shut up
> and see what you find. Look aGaiN at the JPG below and assume
> the 747 and LearJet are thrown in for decor (i.e. filter them out.)
>
> So who designed the carton??
>
>

A pyramid with the sun emerging from the top? Trying to follow you Gregory.
More clues to what you're getting at? Are you thinking along the lines of
the DaVinci Code, or perhaps National Treasure?
Crash Lander

Cat in the Hat

2006-10-09, 2:42 am

aw, crap. The secret is out.
Tom
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quote:

> Cat in the Hat wrote:
>
>
> <big snip>
>
> Hey Cat, they have an exhibit about you at the Springfield museum!!!
>
> Bryan

TheSmokingGnu

2006-10-09, 2:42 am

Bleh.

FS has _always_ been a game. X-Plane, for example, is a simulator. It
*SIMULATES* flight by calculating actual flight data as you go.

FS just pops some purdy, theoretical, derived performance figures
through a few algorithms and comes up with a "best guess" of what a
plane "might" do under a "certain" condition (see: flying a 747
upside-down, and managing to overspeed in level flight. LEVEL FLIGHT!).
Just because it makes all the pretty little birds and cargo trucks
scurry about doesn't make it a simulation.

Unless you're to tell me you enjoy the "simulation" of sitting on your
XXX for hours on end with little to do but braid the cat or stare at the
(virtual) stewardess' XXX. Then, FS is a bang-on, uncanny resemblance to
reality.

:D

TheSmokingGnu

Gregory

2006-10-09, 2:42 am

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:37:21 -0700, TheSmokingGnu
<anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> brought the following:

quote:

>Bleh.
>
>FS has _always_ been a game. X-Plane, for example, is a simulator.
>It *SIMULATES* flight by calculating actual flight data as you go.

Here's some more flame-bait. Just like the author of X-Plane dies at an
early age? Just like Ron Freimuth's house burns down after working on
a Mil FD!! How many guys die young? What percentage of houses catch
fire in America?

quote:

>FS just pops some purdy, theoretical, derived performance figures
>through a few algorithms and comes up with a "best guess" of what a
>plane "might" do under a "certain" condition (see: flying a 747
>upside-down, and managing to overspeed in level flight. LEVEL FLIGHT!).
>Just because it makes all the pretty little birds and cargo trucks
>scurry about doesn't make it a simulation.

Hey.. I'd say you had best stick with GAMES. - huh -

-G

quote:

>Unless you're to tell me you enjoy the "simulation" of sitting on your
>XXX for hours on end with little to do but braid the cat or stare at the
>(virtual) stewardess' XXX. Then, FS is a bang-on, uncanny resemblance
>to reality.
>
>:D
>
>TheSmokingGnu

Bryan

2006-10-09, 5:44 am

TheSmokingGnu wrote:

quote:

> Bleh.
>
> FS has _always_ been a game. X-Plane, for example, is a simulator. It
> *SIMULATES* flight by calculating actual flight data as you go.
>

<snip>

quote:

> Unless you're to tell me you enjoy the "simulation" of sitting on your
> XXX for hours on end with little to do but braid the cat or stare at the
> (virtual) stewardess' XXX. Then, FS is a bang-on, uncanny resemblance to
> reality.
>
> :D
>
> TheSmokingGnu

I have always tried to define the difference between a game and a
simulator is that in a game you win or lose and a simulator ,you just do
stuff until you get sick of it.

The definition got a bit blurred in Combat Flight Simulator when the
session was set to "first to 10 kills" or "Last man alive" but it didn't
really matter, I had a ball anyway.

Bryan

Barrie

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

The same people who designed US currency bills!!?? This is all totally
weird, Gregory. Are you being serious?

"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> Now hold it.. I'M NOT DONE YET!! Besides the stripe at the top that
> says GAME, what's the primary theme of the package?? Ignoring the
> helicopter slice and the float plane slice -- what is it?? Will shut up
> and see what you find. Look aGaiN at the JPG below and assume
> the 747 and LearJet are thrown in for decor (i.e. filter them out.)
>
> So who designed the carton??
>
>
>

Barrie

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

"TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Unless you're to tell me you enjoy the "simulation" of sitting on your XXX
> for hours on end with little to do but braid the cat . . . .>

This NG seems to have adopted a cat. What's its name and what does it look
like? What are its characteristics?

Barrie

Crash Lander

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:44:42 -0400, Barrie wrote the following in
skywriting:

quote:

> The same people who designed US currency bills!!?? This is all totally
> weird, Gregory. Are you being serious?
>

Oh, Gregory is serious alright. He's our resident conspiracy theorist, but
we love him! :-)
--
Crash Lander
I'm not always right, But I'm never wrong.

Bryan

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

Barrie wrote:

quote:

> "TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
> news:0mkWg.4193$Xt4.2215@newsfe07.lga...
>
>
> This NG seems to have adopted a cat. What's its name and what does it look
> like? What are its characteristics?
>
> Barrie
>
>

There are a few

Meet Jerry

http://hbear.customer.netspace.net.au/jerry.htm

Loves nothing better than smooching against your hand whilst you are
trying to use the mouse..........

Bryan

foomzter

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

quote:

> Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that

quote:

> according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
> sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the

packaging of

quote:

> the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of

the

quote:

> front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
> Windows.........
>
> Evidence is here:-
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...SXCover0001.jpg
>
> IS this an intentional ploy to sell more copies to the gamer that

likes

quote:

> mindlessly shooting things?...........or an accidental slap in the

face to

quote:

> those people who like to think of their hobby as "More than just

playing

quote:

> videogames on my PC".........will we see Official expansion packs

adding

quote:

> collectable power ups (like anti-gravity, triple firing plasma

cannons, and

quote:

> remotely assisted auto-targetting drones) and will there be online
> Deathmatches where you have to force your oppenents to crash???
>
> [Dons flame retardent undies and awaits the fire]
>
> Honestly though I was a little shocked to see it myself...........I

think I

quote:

> will stick with FS9.........Otherwise I can just imagine the missus

laughing

quote:

> at my "No honey I am NOT playing games again, acutally I am learning

correct

quote:

> approach procedures to a CAT III ILS runway........."
>
>
> --
> M
> ------
> "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little

security

quote:

> will deserve neither and lose both."
> [Benjamin Franklin]
>
> "War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it."
> [Erasmus]
>
> "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
> [Thucydides]

Why are you ppl guessing? MS OFFICIALLY stated that FSX will lean more
towards the gamer's side to attract "NEW" customer groups.

What else is there to say OR interpret into ???????

Simon Robbins

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

M wrote:

quote:

> Let me start a friendly flame war with the OFFICIAL announcement that
> according to Microsoft, Flight Simulator is a GAME and NOT a
> sim......according to reliable sources (well Dallas really) the packaging of
> the GAME Flight Simulator X states "GAMES FOR WINDOWS" at the top of the
> front cover.........notice that it does NOT state Simulators for
> Windows.........

They're rebranding most of their product lines. I have it on good
authority that Vista will be subtitled on the box "Joke of an Operating
System".

Si

Simon Robbins

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

Barrie wrote:

quote:

> This NG seems to have adopted a cat. What's its name and what does it look
> like? What are its characteristics?

Perhaps it's my Wookie co-pilot of a few threads back?

Si

Simon Robbins

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

Bryan wrote:

quote:

> I have always tried to define the difference between a game and a
> simulator is that in a game you win or lose and a simulator ,you just do
> stuff until you get sick of it.

I think it's to do with how you approach it. If you tear around
everywhere grass-cutting at max throttle until you crash everytime then
you're treating it as a game. If you plan your route, or fly by your
best approximation to real world procedure using charts and checklists,
then it's a simulator.

Si

Tilly

2006-10-09, 7:44 pm

Eh Greg,

Have you worked out the subliminal message yet on the package.

You need to load it up into Photoshop, apply the correct filters
(*hush* can't say which ones here, he's watching you know!)

Rotate by a number degrees (again hush, I am sure you will work it
out).

Then inverse the image, and bang !

Scary or what eh....

Bit like Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band played backwards.

Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. SAY no more !

Barrie

2006-10-09, 11:40 pm

Thanks. I've saved Jerry in my FS Pictures folder.

"Bryan" <csr_bear@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
> There are a few
>
> Meet Jerry
>
> http://hbear.customer.netspace.net.au/jerry.htm
>
> Loves nothing better than smooching against your hand whilst you are
> trying to use the mouse..........
>
> Bryan

Barrie

2006-10-09, 11:40 pm

Yes, Wookie is definitely one of us.

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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's my Wookie co-pilot of a few threads back?
>
> Si

Barrie

2006-10-12, 7:46 pm

Thanks. I've saved Jerry in my FS Pictures folder.

"Bryan" <csr_bear@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
> There are a few
>
> Meet Jerry
>
> http://hbear.customer.netspace.net.au/jerry.htm
>
> Loves nothing better than smooching against your hand whilst you are
> trying to use the mouse..........
>
> Bryan

Barrie

2006-10-12, 7:46 pm

Yes, Wookie is definitely one of us.

"Simon Robbins" <simon@nospam.thanks> wrote in message
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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's my Wookie co-pilot of a few threads back?
>
> Si

Barrie

2006-11-20, 2:42 am

Thanks. I've saved Jerry in my FS Pictures folder.

"Bryan" <csr_bear@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
> There are a few
>
> Meet Jerry
>
> http://hbear.customer.netspace.net.au/jerry.htm
>
> Loves nothing better than smooching against your hand whilst you are
> trying to use the mouse..........
>
> Bryan

Barrie

2006-11-20, 2:42 am

Yes, Wookie is definitely one of us.

"Simon Robbins" <simon@nospam.thanks> wrote in message
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quote:

> Barrie wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's my Wookie co-pilot of a few threads back?
>
> Si