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| Frank S 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| You are right. I'll stay right here in Simmworld where it is safe!
"Chris" <chris@mwapartnership.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nasty!!
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> Wouldnt happen in the Sim World
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> Chris
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> "Forum User" <forum_user@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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| L. Mulder 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| What do the safety rules say about Parajump activiteit on an airfield? I
thought something like "no movements and definitely NO PROPS!!" Well, that's
what I remember from a while ago and it could be that it's valid only in the
Netherlands!? Anybody else?
Loek
"Frank S" <fsteinbach@excite.com> schreef in bericht
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> You are right. I'll stay right here in Simmworld where it is safe!
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| Gregory 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:19:08 GMT, "Forum User"
<forum_user@ntlworld.com> brought the following to our attention:
quote:
>http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005190471,00.html
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- most unfortunate for ol' Gus -
and notice the `hot babe' format of ... UK tabloid is it.. ??
trying to be like America? lots of confounding nonsense..
so we presume!!
(fake)NEWS - SPORT - BIZZARE - LIFE - FUN - TV
oh goodie.. tonnes of junk to look over.. 
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| The Sun newspaper actually has one of the largest circulations in the UK,
selling a few million copies per day together with
dear knows how many hits by internet browsing.
You can tell the IQ level of your average British man by all the gossip,
tits and bums provided for our perusal. Lovely!!
Chris
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> and notice the `hot babe' format of ... UK tabloid is it.. ??
> trying to be like America? lots of confounding nonsense..
> so we presume!!
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> (fake)NEWS - SPORT - BIZZARE - LIFE - FUN - TV
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> oh goodie.. tonnes of junk to look over..
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| James Hodson 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:28:38 +0200, "L. Mulder"
<lbn.mulder@t-online.de> wrote:
quote:
>What do the safety rules say about Parajump activiteit on an airfield? I
>thought something like "no movements and definitely NO PROPS!!" Well, that's
>what I remember from a while ago and it could be that it's valid only in the
>Netherlands!? Anybody else?
>
Hi Loek
I recall a case a few years ago when a first time jumper on a charity
leap floated down into a helicoper's main rotor and was killed.
Perhaps this is the one other incident referred to in the article.
James
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| James Hodson wrote:
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> I recall a case a few years ago when a first time jumper on a charity
> leap floated down into a helicoper's main rotor and was killed.
> Perhaps this is the one other incident referred to in the article.
>
I've said it before, and will say it again - you've got to be crazy to jump
out of a perfectly good airplane!!!
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| L. Mulder 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| Hi again James,
In my opinion it is pure logic to have all engines dead at the parajump
target area. The chance of floating into something "to hard to handle" is
huge if you don't, especially during family days, airshows and all that.
Loek
"James Hodson" <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> schreef in bericht
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> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:28:38 +0200, "L. Mulder"
> <lbn.mulder@t-online.de> wrote:
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> Hi Loek
>
> I recall a case a few years ago when a first time jumper on a charity
> leap floated down into a helicoper's main rotor and was killed.
> Perhaps this is the one other incident referred to in the article.
>
> James
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| Quilljar 2005-04-25, 8:57 pm |
| The Sun in the UK is known as a 'paper' not a newspaper, as it contains very
little news. It is published mainly for readers with the IQ of lettuce and
who are too pathetic and embarrassed to go and buy a proper porn magazine
from the newsagent. There is one paper which is slightly more honest called
'The Sport'
This actually makes up so-called news, such as 'Elvis found on the Moon'
which can sometime be quite creative.
(so I am told :-) )
Cheers,
Quilly
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| James Hodson 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:11:18 -0500, "CRaSH" <sorry@aint-here.spam.com>
wrote:
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>James Hodson wrote:
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>I've said it before, and will say it again - you've got to be crazy to jump
>out of a perfectly good airplane!!!
Several years ago I wanted to do a charity jump myself but was turned
down because I was too fat. I weighed about 13.5 stones (about 190 lbs
or 86 kg) at the time. I'm 6'00" FWIW and played quite a bit of rugby
in those days.
On a similar note to jumping out of a healthy plane, I have skied off
a perfectly good mountain whilst attached to a perfectly excellent
pair of skis and a (tandem) parathingy, which was fun.
James
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| James Hodson 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:30:54 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar"
<wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
quote:
>This actually makes up so-called news, such as 'Elvis found on the Moon'
>which can sometime be quite creative.
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He was found just next to a Lancaster Bomber ...
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>(so I am told :-) )
.... ditto.
James
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| Gregory 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:36:50 +0000 (UTC), "Chris"
<chris@mwapartnership.co.uk> brought the following to our attention:
quote:
>The Sun newspaper actually has one of the largest circulations in the UK,
>selling a few million copies per day together with
>dear knows how many hits by internet browsing.
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>You can tell the IQ level of your average British man by all the gossip,
>tits and bums provided for our perusal. Lovely!!
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>Chris
so it's not just in American then??? chuckle.. t's and b's
how about the U.K classroom?? are U.K gradeschool students going
to be drugged as in Texas? it'll be like Columbine all over aGaiN.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../24/ixhome.html
-G
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| Quilljar 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| > how about the U.K classroom?? are U.K gradeschool students going
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> to be drugged as in Texas? it'll be like Columbine all over aGaiN.
I believe it now compulsory in UK classrooms. So glad I retired from them a
few years ago!
On the question of tits and bums, I suspect they have been around for some
time now all over the world, probably something to do with Adam and Eve...
Cheers,
Quilly
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| James Hodson wrote:
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> On a similar note to jumping out of a healthy plane, I have skied off
> a perfectly good mountain whilst attached to a perfectly excellent
> pair of skis and a (tandem) parathingy, which was fun.
>
Ever have a dream where you're floating through space, pull the rip cord,
then watch a banana, tuna sandwich, and a soda drift out of the pack?? <G>
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| James Hodson 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:31:15 -0500, "CRaSH" <sorry@aint-here.spam.com>
wrote:
quote:
>James Hodson wrote:
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>Ever have a dream where you're floating through space, pull the rip cord,
>then watch a banana, tuna sandwich, and a soda drift out of the pack?? <G>
Hell, no/maybe. I loathe soda.
James
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| Marcel Kuijper 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:31:15 -0500, CRaSH wrote:
quote:
> Ever have a dream where you're floating through space, pull the rip cord,
> then watch a banana, tuna sandwich, and a soda drift out of the pack?? <G>
I think you're the only one having that dream, Crash. :-)
--
Marcel (SAG-21)
(If you've gotta be part of a group, be part of a group of simmers!)
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| Earl Needham 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| "Forum User" <forum_user@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005190471,00.html
Here in the 'States, CNN is reporting that the skydiver hit the
airplane.
I want to know how a skydiver could have been going fast enough to catch
an airplane and hit it.
http://www.uspa.org/about/faa.htm has some regulatory information on
skydiving in the United States.
Earl
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Earl Needham
Clovis, New Mexico USA
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| Jay Beckman 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| "Earl Needham" <munged@3lefties.com> wrote in message
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> "Forum User" <forum_user@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Here in the 'States, CNN is reporting that the skydiver hit the
> airplane.
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> I want to know how a skydiver could have been going fast enough to
> catch
> an airplane and hit it.
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> http://www.uspa.org/about/faa.htm has some regulatory information on
> skydiving in the United States.
>
> Earl
>
> --
> Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico USA
>
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I get the impression that the plane was in flight (probably in the pattern)
when the skydiver struck the prop.
Perhaps the plane didn't or couldn't get back on the ground as expected to
clear the drop zone?
Jay B
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| Canuck 2005-04-25, 8:58 pm |
| I have to jump in here and defend the lettuce. The humble lettuce has a
vastly greater IQ than the average English male. N.B. I deliberately
exclude the celtic nations of the UK from this comparison in a blatant
attempt to enrage and inflame English males - hey! it's a Scotsman's
birthright to knock the English.
"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
> The Sun in the UK is known as a 'paper' not a newspaper, as it contains
> very little news. It is published mainly for readers with the IQ of
> lettuce and who are too pathetic and embarrassed to go and buy a proper
> porn magazine from the newsagent. There is one paper which is slightly
> more honest called 'The Sport'
> This actually makes up so-called news, such as 'Elvis found on the Moon'
> which can sometime be quite creative.
> (so I am told :-) )
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Quilly
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| Earl Needham 2005-04-26, 12:44 am |
| "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman@cox.net> wrote in message news:Xacbe.10150$EX4.4551@fed1read01...
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> "Earl Needham" <munged@3lefties.com> wrote in message
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<snip>[vbcol=seagreen]
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> I get the impression that the plane was in flight (probably in the pattern)
> when the skydiver struck the prop.
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> Perhaps the plane didn't or couldn't get back on the ground as expected to
> clear the drop zone?
Sounds to me like the pilot of the jump plane wanted to get a good look at a skydiver in the air. After all, the collision happened at 600 feet AGL, according to reports. I was buzzed a couple of times like that, years ago when I was involved in "extra vehicular activities"! <G>
The other question I have -- what is the right of way procedure involving skydivers? I mean, according to FAR 91.113:
(1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of aircraft;
(2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, airplane, or rotorcraft; and
(3) An airship has the right-of-way over an airplane or rotorcraft. However, an aircraft towing or refueling other aircraft has the right-of-way over all other engine-driven aircraft.
(e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right.
(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter course to the right to pass well clear.
The FAR's don't seme to address how a powered aircraft would approach a skydiver. When on the ground, a pedestrian usually has the right-of-way, and a skydiver might be construed to be an "airborne pedestrian", but that's a little weak. I suspect we'll have to wait until the investigation is over to see exactly what happened and why.
Earl
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Earl Needham
Clovis, New Mexico USA
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| Dallas 2005-04-26, 3:39 am |
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"Earl Needham"
quote:
> The FAR's don't seme to address how a powered aircraft would approach a
skydiver.
I would think a sky diver is classified a glider with very, very poor
aerodynamics. :-)
Dallas
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| Dallas wrote:
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> I would think a sky diver is classified a glider with very, very poor
> aerodynamics. :-)
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or a rock with atitude thrusters.........
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| Scott Stevenson 2005-04-29, 6:39 am |
| On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:01:21 -0600, "Earl Needham"
<munged@3lefties.com> wrote:
quote:
> The other question I have -- what is the right of way procedure involving skydivers? I mean, according to FAR 91.113:
>
> (1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of aircraft;
>
> (2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, airplane, or rotorcraft; and
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> (3) An airship has the right-of-way over an airplane or rotorcraft. However, an aircraft towing or refueling other aircraft has the right-of-way over all other engine-driven aircraft.
>
>(e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right.
>
>(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter course to the right to pass well clear.
>
> The FAR's don't seme to address how a powered aircraft would approach a skydiver. When on the ground, a pedestrian usually has the right-of-way, and a skydiver might be construed to be an "airborne pedestrian", but that's a little weak. I suspect w
e'll have to wait until the investigation is over to see exactly what happened and why.
quote:
>
Earl,
I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, it would probably be
about the same class as "balloon"--Here's why:
If you look at that list, any time two different types of aircraft
come into proximity, the less maneuverable one has the right-of way.
With a skydiver, they can turn some, and adjust their rate of descent,
but they're pretty much going to come straight down.
take care,
Scott
"similar law on the high seas"
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