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Author All kidding aside
boB

2005-04-24, 6:38 am


A short flight over the California Dessert ( )

It may be the new medication.

--

boB, SAG 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
boB

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

boB wrote:
quote:

>
> A short flight over the California Dessert ( )
>
> It may be the new medication.
>


Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.

http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg

--

boB, SAG 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Gymfreakish

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

LSD and flying is bad!!!! wow nice colours, mind you it IS California,
hehehe

Jeff

"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
news:N7Kae.21985$h6.1051@tornado.texas.rr.com...
quote:

> boB wrote:
>
>
> Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.
>
> http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg
>
> --
>
> boB, SAG 70
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)



L. Mulder

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

Hi Bob,

Why don't I get to see the picture? There were some remarks before about
some not being able to see your pictures. Jeff obviously had no problem with
your link!?

Loek


"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> schreef in bericht
news:N7Kae.21985$h6.1051@tornado.texas.rr.com...
quote:

> boB wrote:
>
>
> Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.
>
> http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg
>
> --
>
> boB, SAG 70
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)



Gymfreakish

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

Cant think why you cant see them, bmp jpeg giff and tiff are standard
formats, will have a think and get back soon, anyone else with ideas?

Jeff

"L. Mulder" <lbn.mulder@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:d4ft4m$ggo$03$1@news.t-online.com...
quote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> Why don't I get to see the picture? There were some remarks before about
> some not being able to see your pictures. Jeff obviously had no problem

with
quote:

> your link!?
>
> Loek
>
>
> "boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> schreef in bericht
> news:N7Kae.21985$h6.1051@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>



CRaSH

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

Gymfreakish wrote:
quote:

> , will have a think and


Tried that once, got a splittin headache and started seein things like boB
does - never did it again! d:-> ))

Cheers'n Beers.. [_])
Don


Gregory

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:01:17 GMT, boB <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom>
brought the following to our attention:
quote:

>boB wrote:
>
>
>Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.
>
>http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg



Don't forget to play Jimmy Hendrix music while on your `trip'.


Speaking of weird.. here's a Mi-24 Hind D at National!!

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/flightsim/Hind_D_Nat.jpg (100k)


can't seem to get it trimmed and must keep lots of forward force on
the stick.. also torsional force (on stick) to go in straight line!!


-G



Chris Harries

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

Talking of drugs, Ectasy can have the effect of slowing down or speeding up
time. So for those long trans atlatic flights, simple take an E, hope you
get the speding up effect, and watch how a 6 hour flight seams to last only
1 hour lol


"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
news:MAIae.29882$hu5.29214@tornado.texas.rr.com...
quote:

>
> A short flight over the California Dessert ( )
>
> It may be the new medication.
>
> --
>
> boB, SAG 70
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)



ccsuwxman

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

Chris Harries wrote:
quote:

> Talking of drugs, Ectasy can have the effect of slowing down or speeding up
> time. So for those long trans atlatic flights, simple take an E, hope you
> get the speding up effect, and watch how a 6 hour flight seams to last only
> 1 hour lol
>
>
> "boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
> news:MAIae.29882$hu5.29214@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>
>
>
>

How about these side effects, XXXXXXX?




Ecstasy Side Effects

Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to
the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to
communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role
in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity
to pain. Many of the side effects users face with Ecstasy use are
similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines:
Psychological Ecstasy side effects, including confusion, depression,
sleep problems, drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia - during and
sometimes weeks after taking Ecstasy. Physical Ecstasy side effects such
as muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision,
rapid eye movement, faintness, and chills or sweating. Increases in
heart rate and blood pressure, a special risk for people with
circulatory or heart disease.

Also, there is evidence that people who develop a rash that looks like
acne after using Ecstasy may be risking severe side effects, including
liver damage, if they continue to use the drug. Research links Ecstasy
use to long-term damage to those parts of the brain critical to thought
and memory. One study, in primates, showed that exposure to Ecstasy for
4 days caused brain damage that was evident 6 to 7 years later.

MDA, the parent drug of MDMA (Ecstasy), is an amphetamine-like drug that
has also been abused and is similar in chemical structure to Ecstasy.
Research shows that MDA also destroys serotonin-producing neurons in the
brain. Ecstasy also is related in its structure and effects to
methamphetamine, which has been shown to cause degeneration of neurons
containing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Damage to these neurons is the
underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease.
Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors and
can eventually result in a form of paralysis.



So go ahead and keep taking it. Eventually, we can remove your genes
from the pool.
Marcel Kuijper

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:32:28 +1200, Gymfreakish wrote:
quote:

> LSD and flying is bad!!!! wow nice colours, mind you it IS California,
> hehehe


LOL!!!

--

Marcel (SAG-21)
(It's good to be the king! - Mel Brooks)
Marcel Kuijper

2005-04-24, 8:42 pm

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:01:17 GMT, boB wrote:
quote:

> Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.
>
> http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg


Is that what things look like for you when you don't take your meds?
Damn....that's Twilight Zone, man! Funky!
:-)

--

Marcel (SAG-21)
(I've got a baaad feeling about this.....)
Chris Harries

2005-04-24, 8:43 pm

WTF, XXXXXXX, when did I say i took? ermm wait..never because I
dont...jeeezzz i thought this group was full of nice people.

But to take this on further, i would to point out that here in good ol
england around 500 people in 10 years have died from ectasy use. Now i am
not sure if that is a world wide figure or specific to england, but even so,
that is very low. People do not get physically addicted to it, you dont have
mass E fights like you do with alchole that happens every friday and
saturday night, and millions apon millions of people take E every week and
that figure is amazingly low, i heard one romour that stated that E is only
a class A drug because it can be cut so bad with anything and you often dont
know what you are going to get, i am not sure how offical that is, but even
so i have heard thigns all the the time from people in clubs that if you are
even cought with it, the boucers (note i didnt say police) just take it off
you and chuck you out with no further action. Most deaths have come from
people not drinking enough water and dehydrating or from the pill being cut
with something very dodgy.

Also i would also like to add that i dont think you would want to remove me
from the gene pool as i am very good at maths and science and a genral all
rounder in every subject, being a very logical thinker, partially to do with
having asperges symdrome and i opend my own buinses with my friend at 17,
infact about 1 month after my 17th birthday, running on a cross platform
enviroment (win 2000, 2003 and FreeBSD) in New York, California, and Texas
when I live in england. I am very proud of that achivment and so are a lot
of my friends and teachers at school.

So i do ask out of kindness that you dont attack me like that, from a "joke"
comment like that, when other people had been talking about LSD just befor
hand. And also bear these points in mind when you see countless people have
problems with a totally legal drug called alchole which people think has no
problems at all assosiated with it, but that cant be made too public, as the
goverment makes so much money out of it each and every day.

So Happy days and simming
"ccsuwxman" <ccsuwxman@cox.net> wrote in message
news:86Qae.32565$d43.3501@lakeread03...
quote:

> Chris Harries wrote:
up[vbcol=seagreen]
you[vbcol=seagreen]
only[vbcol=seagreen]
> How about these side effects, XXXXXXX?
>
>
>
>
> Ecstasy Side Effects
>
> Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to
> the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to
> communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role
> in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity
> to pain. Many of the side effects users face with Ecstasy use are
> similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines:
> Psychological Ecstasy side effects, including confusion, depression,
> sleep problems, drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia - during and
> sometimes weeks after taking Ecstasy. Physical Ecstasy side effects such
> as muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision,
> rapid eye movement, faintness, and chills or sweating. Increases in
> heart rate and blood pressure, a special risk for people with
> circulatory or heart disease.
>
> Also, there is evidence that people who develop a rash that looks like
> acne after using Ecstasy may be risking severe side effects, including
> liver damage, if they continue to use the drug. Research links Ecstasy
> use to long-term damage to those parts of the brain critical to thought
> and memory. One study, in primates, showed that exposure to Ecstasy for
> 4 days caused brain damage that was evident 6 to 7 years later.
>
> MDA, the parent drug of MDMA (Ecstasy), is an amphetamine-like drug that
> has also been abused and is similar in chemical structure to Ecstasy.
> Research shows that MDA also destroys serotonin-producing neurons in the
> brain. Ecstasy also is related in its structure and effects to
> methamphetamine, which has been shown to cause degeneration of neurons
> containing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Damage to these neurons is the
> underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease.
> Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors and
> can eventually result in a form of paralysis.
>
>
>
> So go ahead and keep taking it. Eventually, we can remove your genes
> from the pool.



Dallas

2005-04-24, 8:43 pm


"ccsuwxman"
quote:

> Damage to these neurons is the
> underlying cause of the motor disturbances seen in Parkinson's disease.
> Symptoms of this disease begin with lack of coordination and tremors and
> can eventually result in a form of paralysis.


The anti drug forces have never done themselves any favors with these
over-the-top scare tactics based on fuzzy science. In fact they destroy
their credibly to the extent that kids discount all the information they get
and are unaware of any actual dangers a drug.

This trend began in the 1930's with Randolph Hearst's personal newspaper
campaign to stop the growing use of marijuana in America by creating totally
fabricated stories of marijuana induced crime and insanity.

A year or so ago Peter Jennings did a 1 hour primetime special on Ecstasy
uncovering the government's intentional creation of misinformation relating
to brain damage and Parkinson's. The story's conclusion stated that they
hadn't really found any physiological damage caused by the drug when used
alone in a reasonable dose.



Dallas





Dallas

2005-04-24, 8:43 pm


"Chris Harries"
quote:

>So for those long trans atlatic flights, simple take an E, hope you
> get the speding up effect, and watch how a 6 hour flight seams to last

only
quote:

> 1 hour lol



Chris, you'll understand this better when you approach midlife - we don't
want to speed up time - we want to slow it down!

Got anything for that? :-)


Dallas



Lawn Dart

2005-04-24, 8:43 pm

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Hi Varmit,

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:43:52 GMT, you wrote:
quote:

> Chris, you'll understand this better when you approach midlife - we
> don't want to speed up time - we want to slow it down!


Personally, I prefer to just spend it. :-)

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/

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Jay Williams

2005-04-25, 12:41 am

Apparently the primary effect of the brain damage done by MDMA is the loss
of the ability to spell (particularly the word "alcohol"), punctuate,
capitalize the first person pronoun and avoid run-on sentences... <just
kidding>

"Chris Harries" <chrisflyer@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fjTae.19628$TZ6.9989@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
quote:

> WTF, XXXXXXX, when did I say i took? ermm wait..never because I
> dont...jeeezzz i thought this group was full of nice people.
>
> But to take this on further, i would to point out that here in good ol
> england around 500 people in 10 years have died from ectasy use. Now i am
> not sure if that is a world wide figure or specific to england, but even
> so,
> that is very low. People do not get physically addicted to it, you dont
> have
> mass E fights like you do with alchole that happens every friday and
> saturday night, and millions apon millions of people take E every week and
> that figure is amazingly low, i heard one romour that stated that E is
> only
> a class A drug because it can be cut so bad with anything and you often
> dont
> know what you are going to get, i am not sure how offical that is, but
> even
> so i have heard thigns all the the time from people in clubs that if you
> are
> even cought with it, the boucers (note i didnt say police) just take it
> off
> you and chuck you out with no further action. Most deaths have come from
> people not drinking enough water and dehydrating or from the pill being
> cut
> with something very dodgy.
>
> Also i would also like to add that i dont think you would want to remove
> me
> from the gene pool as i am very good at maths and science and a genral all
> rounder in every subject, being a very logical thinker, partially to do
> with
> having asperges symdrome and i opend my own buinses with my friend at 17,
> infact about 1 month after my 17th birthday, running on a cross platform
> enviroment (win 2000, 2003 and FreeBSD) in New York, California, and Texas
> when I live in england. I am very proud of that achivment and so are a lot
> of my friends and teachers at school.
>
> So i do ask out of kindness that you dont attack me like that, from a
> "joke"
> comment like that, when other people had been talking about LSD just befor
> hand. And also bear these points in mind when you see countless people
> have
> problems with a totally legal drug called alchole which people think has
> no
> problems at all assosiated with it, but that cant be made too public, as
> the
> goverment makes so much money out of it each and every day.
>
> So Happy days and simming
> "ccsuwxman" <ccsuwxman@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:86Qae.32565$d43.3501@lakeread03...
> up
> you
> only
>
>



Quilljar

2005-04-25, 6:38 am

Melissa dear,
I have often wondered, what is all that code which appears at the bottom of
your messages? I don't see it from anyone else. I am sure (being you) it
must have a good purpose.
Do tell us...

Cheers,

Quilly


Lawn Dart

2005-04-25, 6:39 am

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Hi Quilljar,

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:16:46 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
quote:

> I have often wondered, what is all that code which appears at the
> bottom of your messages?


I'll try to give you the short version...

It's an encrypted "digest" of the particular message; a "digital
signature". Anyone with an "OpenPGP" application ("PGP" or "GnuPG")
can verify the signatures (both programs are available as freeware).
These programs are also used for strong encryption of text and other
types of files (I use them for encrypting personal email; anything
more "personal" than what I would write on a postcard).

Verifying such a signature does one thing absolutely, and *can* do
another as well...

1) Verifying a digital signature will tell the verifier if
*anything* has been altered in a message between the moment it
was signed and the moment it was verified. It won't tell the
verifier exactly what has been altered (if that's the case), but
generally, a "Bad" verification could be an indication that the
content of the message cannot be trusted to be the exact message
that was originally signed.

2) Verifying a digital signature *can* also tell the verifier that
a certain person (or "persona") has actually written the signed
message. This is a bit more involved, and has to do with what is
called the "web of trust".

If you wish to dig more deeply into this stuff, I'll be happy to
continue this via email.
quote:

> I don't see it from anyone else. I am sure (being you) it must have
> a good purpose. Do tell us...


I won't bore you with all the sordid details, but a few years ago, I
was the victim of some very malicious identity spoofing, which was
perpetrated by a lurker in a news group. The spoofing wasn't
restricted to just news groups (many of them; most that I didn't
read), but was also spread far and wide via email. It finally got so
bad that I was actually threatened (physically) in my "real life" by
a couple of people who received those spoofed messages (and yes, they
found out where I lived). After I finally got all that sorted out,
my choice was to either go completely anonymous, or to positively
claim the words I spew over the Internet. I chose the latter. In
order for this system to have any meaning, I have to be consistent in
my signing; so I even sign all the meaningless drivel I post to news
groups and mail lists. Basically, if it's not signed by my key, and
if the verification is not "Good", it cannot be trusted to have been
written by me.

There are other reasons I sign as well, and these have to do with
copyrighted material that I sometimes send over the Internet. Again,
my consistency in signing everything I write and send over the
Internet is necessary in this realm as well.

Some people will complain about the "extra bandwidth" used up by such
signatures applied to Usenet posts, and while I can try to appreciate
their concerns, it's not too difficult to look around Usenet and find
many far more egregious examples of "wasted bandwidth"...signed or
not. :-)

Finally, a digital signature, if used properly, is far more secure
than a handwritten signature, as it's quite impossible to actually
forge. The explanation above is really just the tip of the iceberg,
but I hope it's enough for now. As I said, if you want to know more,
feel free to continue this via email.

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/

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Quilljar

2005-04-25, 8:57 pm

Wow!
Interesting, but way over my head. I do hope it achieves peace of mind for
you...

Cheers,

Quilly


Chris Harries

2005-04-25, 8:58 pm

I would agree with what you state there. I agree E can have some very bad
effects, but sued in moderation its not actally that halmfull. The same as
aclchole really, but then again, things that change the chemichles in your
body, even pain killers, arnt really the 100% best things for you but your
body is quite resliant


"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:toUae.12668$An2.6654@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
quote:

>
> "ccsuwxman"
>
> The anti drug forces have never done themselves any favors with these
> over-the-top scare tactics based on fuzzy science. In fact they destroy
> their credibly to the extent that kids discount all the information they
> get
> and are unaware of any actual dangers a drug.
>
> This trend began in the 1930's with Randolph Hearst's personal newspaper
> campaign to stop the growing use of marijuana in America by creating
> totally
> fabricated stories of marijuana induced crime and insanity.
>
> A year or so ago Peter Jennings did a 1 hour primetime special on Ecstasy
> uncovering the government's intentional creation of misinformation
> relating
> to brain damage and Parkinson's. The story's conclusion stated that they
> hadn't really found any physiological damage caused by the drug when used
> alone in a reasonable dose.
>
>
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
>
>



Lawn Dart

2005-04-25, 8:58 pm

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Hi Quilljar,

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:17:09 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
quote:

> Interesting, but way over my head. I do hope it achieves peace of
> mind for you...


"Peace of mind" is certainly relative to the range of possibilities
we're aware of.

Most people don't spend too much time thinking about Internet privacy
and security until they've been the victim of the darker side of
these issues (and I don't mean this just in terms of spyware, spam,
viruses, Trojans and such). Of course, many people will live for
years blissfully unaware that they're already victims to some degree,
and will only find out when it's far too late to prevent some very
real damage in their "real lives".

Relative to many people my age, I haven't been "online" very long;
just over five years. Like most people when they are first
introduced to the wonders of the Internet, I started out quite
blissfully unaware of the potential downside, and then was offered a
very rude awakening. Once beyond the initial shock, and after
suffering several months of clean up and damage control, I was
thankful for the experience, as it inspired me to learn a few things
that I now consider essential to maintaining my "peace of mind" (and
beyond). I say "and beyond" because the reality of these issues
reaches well beyond that which is merely inside one's mind, and I
know this from very personal and unhappy experience.

Most people will indeed be *lucky* enough to not experience what I
have, but to those who have suffered these sorts of experiences,
depending on luck is no longer a very attractive option.

Good luck! ;-)

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/

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Dallas

2005-04-25, 8:58 pm


"Chris Harries"
quote:

> aclchole really, but then again, things that change the chemichles in your
> body, even pain killers, arnt really the 100% best things for you but your
> body is quite resliant


I once heard a Doctor say, "There's a little poison in every pill."

KDFW


James Hodson

2005-04-25, 8:58 pm

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:14:39 GMT, "Dallas"
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
quote:

>I once heard a Doctor say, "There's a little poison in every pill."


Dr Who?
OK, sorry.

I take drugs for epilepsy and in the main these pills work fine.
However, when taken in excess, as I did a month or two ago, I was
landed in hospital for a couple of days. Initially, my limbs ceased to
function; next, my speach stopped (luckily, I was able to crawl to the
phone an ring an ambulance in time); and, finally, I spent a pleasant
few hours varminting all over the place. Not very nice.

James
Chris Harries

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

that's a nice story, I am just glad I finished my sandwich about 30 seconds
ago to be fair though that's quite bad. My Nan had epilepsy, didn't do a
crazy over dose like you (lol) but she did end up going mad. something about
the epilepsy conflicting the cancer they later found in her stomach, she
basically was acting drunk all the time, like ya no 20 year old in spirit
was quite funny..until she died of course lol but better go out drunk
then...in pain...hmm that was lame lol

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quote:

> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:14:39 GMT, "Dallas"
> <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr Who?
> OK, sorry.
>
> I take drugs for epilepsy and in the main these pills work fine.
> However, when taken in excess, as I did a month or two ago, I was
> landed in hospital for a couple of days. Initially, my limbs ceased to
> function; next, my speach stopped (luckily, I was able to crawl to the
> phone an ring an ambulance in time); and, finally, I spent a pleasant
> few hours varminting all over the place. Not very nice.
>
> James



Chris Harries

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

so, you state that if its good we pretty sure its form you and if its not
then its probably not, but how do we know if its good or not, its just a big
chunk of characters

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"Lawn Dart" <willkayakforfoodREMOVE_THIS@gmx.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Hi Quilljar,
>
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:17:09 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
>
>
> "Peace of mind" is certainly relative to the range of possibilities
> we're aware of.
>
> Most people don't spend too much time thinking about Internet privacy
> and security until they've been the victim of the darker side of
> these issues (and I don't mean this just in terms of spyware, spam,
> viruses, Trojans and such). Of course, many people will live for
> years blissfully unaware that they're already victims to some degree,
> and will only find out when it's far too late to prevent some very
> real damage in their "real lives".
>
> Relative to many people my age, I haven't been "online" very long;
> just over five years. Like most people when they are first
> introduced to the wonders of the Internet, I started out quite
> blissfully unaware of the potential downside, and then was offered a
> very rude awakening. Once beyond the initial shock, and after
> suffering several months of clean up and damage control, I was
> thankful for the experience, as it inspired me to learn a few things
> that I now consider essential to maintaining my "peace of mind" (and
> beyond). I say "and beyond" because the reality of these issues
> reaches well beyond that which is merely inside one's mind, and I
> know this from very personal and unhappy experience.
>
> Most people will indeed be *lucky* enough to not experience what I
> have, but to those who have suffered these sorts of experiences,
> depending on luck is no longer a very attractive option.
>
> Good luck! ;-)
>
> - --
> Melissa
>
> PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/
>
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> g7l/Qz/U0pM=
> =3pIt
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



Chris Harries

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

Ha-ha being 18 (almost 19!!! LOL) I can guess I have lots to learn, I have
learnt something though, like working in Sainsbury's stacking shelves Friday
and Saturday 17:00-21:00 makes you want to kill your self, after like 18
months of that I eventually got changed to Saturday 13:00-21:00 which is
good as it means I get Saturday night and a lay in on Sunday and Friday
night and a lay in on Saturday, so works out really...part from I am leaving
end of July. Moral of the story, doing shite jobs you hate is so damn
annoying, just to go spend it on getting wrecked at the weekend and on
computer parts, but as my dad said, its life, so luckily I can pretend I am
a pilot on Vatsim.

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"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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quote:

>
> "Chris Harries"
> only
>
>
> Chris, you'll understand this better when you approach midlife - we don't
> want to speed up time - we want to slow it down!
>
> Got anything for that? :-)
>
>
> Dallas
>
>
>



Lawn Dart

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

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Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi Chris,

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:47:46 GMT, you wrote:
quote:

> so, you state that if its good we pretty sure its form you and if
> its not then its probably not, but how do we know if its good or
> not, its just a big chunk of characters


As I mentioned in the other post, you would need either PGP or GnuPG
in order to verify a digital signature created by PGP or GnuPG (both
programs are based on the "OpenPGP" standard). You would also need
my "public key" (the part of the key pair that corresponds to the
"private key" I used to sign). Public keys are also used to encrypt
something to someone, then the recipient uses their corresponding
private key to decrypt. In order to get my public key(s), click on
the URL in my signature (of course, the public keys won't do you any
good unless you already have either PGP or GnuPG installed).

So, if you want to verify my signatures, you can install one or both
of the following programs:

GnuPG: http://www.gnupg.org/

PGP freeware: http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/freeware.html

GnuPG is a cross platform command line program, so if you're using
Windows, I would recommend using a GUI front end with it. Here's the
one I prefer:

GPGshell: http://www.jumaros.de/rsoft/index.html

If you've never used one of these encryption/signature programs
before, PGP would be easier than GnuPG to get up and running "out of
the box". You can have both installed on the same computer, and they
don't conflict with each other (I have both installed here). If you
do decide to install the freeware version of PGP, when you get to the
part of the installation that mentions plug-ins and "PGPdisk", you'll
need to *un-check* all plug-ins and PGPdisk before continuing with
the installation, or the program will constantly bother you to
register.

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/

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Lawn Dart

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

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Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi,

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:06:16 -0700, I wrote:
quote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160


Eek! Here's an example of a "Bad" signature verification:

gpg: armor header: Hash: RIPEMD160
gpg: original file name=''
gpg: Signature made 04/25/05 19:05:46
gpg: using RSA key 0x3118A8D4D906AA04
gpg: using classic trust model
gpg: BAD signature from "Melissa <snipped@gmx.net>"
gpg: textmode signature, digest algorithm RIPEMD160

I forgot to lock in the word wrapping before sending the last message,
so my news reader apparently re-wrapped something after I hit <send>.
Since something was changed after the signature was applied, the
verification was "Bad".

- --
Melissa

PGP Public Keys: http://www.freewebs.com/kuviahunnihautik/

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boB

2005-04-26, 12:44 am

Lawn Dart wrote:

quote:

>
> Eek! Here's an example of a "Bad" signature verification:
>
> gpg: armor header: Hash: RIPEMD160
> gpg: original file name=''
> gpg: Signature made 04/25/05 19:05:46
> gpg: using RSA key 0x3118A8D4D906AA04
> gpg: using classic trust model
> gpg: BAD signature from "Melissa <snipped@gmx.net>"
> gpg: textmode signature, digest algorithm RIPEMD160
>
> I forgot to lock in the word wrapping before sending the last message,
> so my news reader apparently re-wrapped something after I hit <send>.
> Since something was changed after the signature was applied, the
> verification was "Bad".
>
> - --
> Melissa


But would the signature key actually help you. Someone getting spam or
some other junk with a bad signature and using your ID might just might
convince a second party that it's you, but being very clever, you added
a bunch of junk in the beginning and in the end of the message to throw
suspicion off of the real you. Does that make sense????? Saying
another way, telling someone the message was not from the real you
because the keys were bad wouldn't work because the real you could enter
the bad keys on purpose. Hope you understood me.


--

boB, SAG 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
Matt Johnson

2005-04-26, 8:36 pm

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Hash: SHA1

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Lawn Dart wrote:
quote:

> Eek! Here's an example of a "Bad" signature verification:
>
> gpg: armor header: Hash: RIPEMD160
> gpg: original file name=''
> gpg: Signature made 04/25/05 19:05:46
> gpg: using RSA key 0x3118A8D4D906AA04
> gpg: using classic trust model
> gpg: BAD signature from "Melissa <snipped@gmx.net>"
> gpg: textmode signature, digest algorithm RIPEMD160
>
> I forgot to lock in the word wrapping before sending the last message,
> so my news reader apparently re-wrapped something after I hit <send>.
> Since something was changed after the signature was applied, the
> verification was "Bad".


Indeed -- since you were talking about GPG signatures I was slightly
surprised to see a "BAD signature" warning from my newsreader!

- --Matt

- --
Matt Johnson <mattj@avsim.com>
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Marcel Kuijper

2005-04-26, 8:36 pm

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:51:45 GMT, Chris Harries wrote:
quote:

> Ha-ha being 18 (almost 19!!! LOL) I can guess I have lots to learn, I have
> learnt something though, like working in Sainsbury's stacking shelves Friday
> and Saturday 17:00-21:00 makes you want to kill your self, after like 18
> months of that I eventually got changed to Saturday 13:00-21:00 which is
> good as it means I get Saturday night and a lay in on Sunday and Friday
> night and a lay in on Saturday, so works out really...part from I am leaving
> end of July. Moral of the story, doing shite jobs you hate is so damn
> annoying, just to go spend it on getting wrecked at the weekend and on
> computer parts, but as my dad said, its life, so luckily I can pretend I am
> a pilot on Vatsim.


Well at least you're spending your hard-earned money on something that will
last a while, and something you can enjoy.

Do you have any idea how many people there are your age that do the same
kind of work, busting their humps, and then spending it on booze?
They get to wake up with one hell of a hang-over and, if really unlucky,
VD.

--

Marcel (SAG-21)
(Any landing you walk away from wasn't one of Melissa's! <g> )
Marcel Kuijper

2005-04-27, 12:36 am

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:01:17 GMT, boB wrote:
quote:

> Damn, I musta forgotten my meds.
>
> http://xs25.xs.to/pics/05160/short_flight.jpg


Is that what things look like for you when you don't take your meds?
Damn....that's Twilight Zone, man! Funky!
:-)

--

Marcel (SAG-21)
(I've got a baaad feeling about this.....)
James Hodson

2005-04-27, 7:46 pm

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:44:33 GMT, "Chris Harries"
<chrisflyer@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
quote:

>that's a nice story, I am just glad I finished my sandwich about 30 seconds
>ago to be fair though that's quite bad. My Nan had epilepsy, didn't do a
>crazy over dose like you (lol) but she did end up going mad. something about
>the epilepsy conflicting the cancer they later found in her stomach, she
>basically was acting drunk all the time, like ya no 20 year old in spirit
>was quite funny..until she died of course lol but better go out drunk
>then...in pain...hmm that was lame lol


Sorry to hear about your nan. When I took my OD I wasn't acting drunk;
I was more than several sheets to the winds - and that was the
problem.

James
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