Flight simulator - Pilot check-rides Re: Bravo Airspace

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Pilot check-rides Re: Bravo Airspace

boB

2005-03-30, 7:48 pm

manatee wrote:

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> I wonder if this is common on PPL initial certification rides (I did my
> ride on March 3, 2005), as I've heard about this kind of thing before
> and semi-experienced it. It bugs me when DE's use the exam time as a
> teaching session rather than just checking that the PIC is flying to
> PTS specs. It really could throw the pilot under exam off.
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Isn't that a good thing??? Pilots must multi-task from the pre-flight
to the tie-down. Most pilots can perform maneuvers by clicking off the
steps in his/her head. If he/she cannot perform the task because
something else is demanding their attention, it may be time for more
instruction.

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boB

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

Jay Beckman

2005-03-30, 7:48 pm

"boB" <akitaREMOVECAPS77@excite.Icom> wrote in message
news:lLF0e.38109$8D.12311@tornado.texas.rr.com...

quote:

> manatee wrote:
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> Isn't that a good thing??? Pilots must multi-task from the pre-flight to
> the tie-down. Most pilots can perform maneuvers by clicking off the steps
> in his/her head. If he/she cannot perform the task because something else
> is demanding their attention, it may be time for more instruction.
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> boB
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> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

Exactly boB,

After all, distractions are part of the PTS and are fair game for DEs.

(Embarrasing confession follows...)

When I took my final stage check about a week before I took my checkride, I
happened to creat my own (inadvertant) diversion.

I had tucked my sectional up by the left windscreen pillar only to have it
fall off right in my lap as I rotated for a soft-field takeoff...BANG! right
on the aft tiedown ring...sheesh.

Jay B

manatee

2005-03-30, 7:48 pm

bOb ... it can be, or it can't be... example, my AMEL checkride today
was really educational... and I knew that my DE would throw tons of
diversions my way, and he did, and I just did what he asked.

What I'm talking about is not positive, though... It is one thing to
teach your examinee during the exam how to be a more adept pilot, how
to really be professional. If he sees you doing something that you
could do better that you are obviously doing badly (not talking
something dangerous here) he can point that out and explain why it is
important to be professional about everything (my confession, I left
the alternators on after the aircraft was shut down tonight)... I did
learn a lot from this DE and he is definitely someone to listen to, and
I respected and was greedy to hear everything he could lay on me during
the ride..

however, I'm talking about basically telling you you're doing something
wrong when you're still doing it to specs and it just happens to be
another procedure to perform the technique.. I imagine this probably
happens more often in small FBO situations where there is not solidly
defined procedure for every maneuver across the instructor line-up.
For me, my primary instructor taught me a very specific (and easy) way
to come in to the pattern, a programmatic way of handling
airspeed/approach configuration/descent/radio calls.. everything you do
on a NORMAL approach.. (I emphasize that to make it clear that
obviously you don't always have a normal situation, so being
programmatic to the point of killing yourself is inappropriate)...
well, the chief pilot there (also my PPL DE) absolutely abhored the way
I'd been taught to approach. So two days before my checkride when I
did a stage check with him just to make sure I wasn't wasting his time
(ha) he retaught me yet another way to approach... the thing is, it was
basically the same thing, he just hated "that way" and wanted me to do
it "this way."

"that way" was not wrong... "this way" was like splitting hairs over
the differences, but I had to make some quick adjustments.. I guess it
wasn't that big of a deal, but it was kind of silly to have to get to
that point anyway. After that many hours of instruction, it is more
the chief pilot's fault for not making sure that his CFI's are teaching
to his particular method/spec than mine, that's for sure... and in the
end it wasn't like he was going to fail me on it anyway, but he was
just happier hearing me make slightly different calls and point out
slightly different things at different times.. whatever.

I'm all about procedure, you have to be (as you know) ... so I like the
environment that I'm in now where things are 180 degrees different in
terms of structure. It not only makes it a breeze to step through the
maneuvers efficiently, but also gets you ahead of the aircraft so those
"diversions" aren't really a challenge as much as just a normal part of
directed flying ...

Chris
PPL ASEL/AMEL
Simulated Student Pilot ;)

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