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| Marcel Kuijper 2005-10-28, 7:35 pm |
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Hey yall.....
I'm looking to get myself a better monitor (17" or 19" and
height adjustable) and I've narrowed my choices down to these
two: IIyama E431S-B3 or HP f1904.
The IIyama: (17")
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Contrast: 700:1
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Responsetime: 8ms
The HP: (19")
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Contrast: 450:1
Brightness: 250 cd/m2
Responsetime: 16ms
Something tells me that the IIyama is better.
Can one of you techies confirm this for me please?
Marcel
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| Handsome 2005-10-28, 7:35 pm |
| Must agree with Gerard, about the 19"........ great size.
I went for the AG Neovo F-419.... bought one then got another four as I
am trying to build a cockpit etc.
Same specs as Gerards........
1280 x 1024 Pixels
Contrast: 500:1
Brightness: 250 cd/m=B2
Response time: 12 ms
They also have analogue and digital inputs and come with both sets of
leads.
Around =A3186 each.
Martin
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| John Black 2005-10-28, 7:35 pm |
| In article <1130494223.770799.108760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
zoepetier@hotmail.com says...
quote:
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> Hey yall.....
>
>
> I'm looking to get myself a better monitor (17" or 19" and
> height adjustable) and I've narrowed my choices down to these
> two: IIyama E431S-B3 or HP f1904.
>
> The IIyama: (17")
> -----------------
> Contrast: 700:1
> Brightness: 300 cd/m2
> Responsetime: 8ms
>
> The HP: (19")
> ------------------
> Contrast: 450:1
> Brightness: 250 cd/m2
> Responsetime: 16ms
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>
> Something tells me that the IIyama is better.
> Can one of you techies confirm this for me please?
19" is really great for simming. I much prefer it over 17. But 16ms is
on the boardline of being too long for gaming -- some say yes, some say
no. I think 12ms or less is safe and you probably want just a little
better brightness and contrast specs.
John Black
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| Chris Thomas 2005-10-28, 7:35 pm |
| In article <MPG.1dcc3172536040b09899b7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net>,
jblack@texas.net says...
quote:
> 17. But 16ms is
> on the boardline of being too long for gaming -- some say yes, some say
> no. I think 12ms or less is safe and you probably want just a little
> better brightness and contrast specs.
Keep in mind that there are several different definitions of "response
time" as applied to monitor pixels, and several different ways of
measuring the value. There is no standard. Measurements by two
different vendors may differ by a factor of two.
The only reasonable way at present to compare monitors on "response
time" is to find a quality review where the two are compared, and the
author actually made the measurements, instead of just quoting the
vendor's literature
/Chris T
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| Arthur 2005-10-28, 11:32 pm |
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"Chris Thomas" <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dcc17236e5b1c1c9896c6@news.mminternet.com...
quote:
> In article <MPG.1dcc3172536040b09899b7@news.chi.sbcglobal.net>,
> jblack@texas.net says...
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> Keep in mind that there are several different definitions of "response
> time" as applied to monitor pixels, and several different ways of
> measuring the value. There is no standard. Measurements by two
> different vendors may differ by a factor of two.
>
> The only reasonable way at present to compare monitors on "response
> time" is to find a quality review where the two are compared, and the
> author actually made the measurements, instead of just quoting the
> vendor's literature
>
> /Chris T
Buy a monitor, take it home, hook it up, put on your favourite program, play
the hell out of it and if you love it afterwards, keep it. Otherwise,
return it and look for another one. These new monitors are very portable
and easy to return. Ain't progress wonderful?
Oh yeah, before you buy it, make sure the store will take it back if you
don't like it......duhhhhhh.
Arthur
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| John Black 2005-10-31, 7:42 pm |
| In article <hPednd4_JMeAQ__eRVn-qw@rogers.com>,
simmeronlo@crashnburn.com says...
quote:
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> "Chris Thomas" <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1dcc17236e5b1c1c9896c6@news.mminternet.com...
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> Buy a monitor, take it home, hook it up, put on your favourite program, play
> the hell out of it and if you love it afterwards, keep it. Otherwise,
> return it and look for another one. These new monitors are very portable
> and easy to return. Ain't progress wonderful?
The only problem with this approach is that I've found far better deals
online than I can find at a store.
John Black
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| Gerard Verhoef 2005-10-31, 7:42 pm |
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"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
quote:
> The only problem with this approach is that I've found far better deals
> online than I can find at a store.
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> John Black
Don't you have the firefox return to online shop plug-in? 
Gerard
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| On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:22:12 GMT, John Black <jblack@texas.net> wrote:
quote:
>In article <hPednd4_JMeAQ__eRVn-qw@rogers.com>,
>simmeronlo@crashnburn.com says...
Even then it means little for the average individual as they may have
shorter or longer eye persistence than the one doing the viewing. They
may think it'd junk due to the long persistence and they average buyer
may think it's just fine. OTOH the reviewer may think it's great and
someone with short eye persistence will think it's junk.
There is no replacement for try and buy. IE, doing your own
comparison. If you like it, who cares what the reviewers say.
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>The only problem with this approach is that I've found far better deals
>online than I can find at a store.
If you end up with something you don't like then it wasn't a better
deal. Sometimes access to the dealer, the ability to try and return,
and service is worth a lot.
It depends on what you mean by far better deals. With today's
relatively expensive (but getting cheaper all the time) monitors, I
like the ability to try and buy. Most of the chain discount stores
will let me try a monitor or series of monitors if I let them know
what I want, but am not sure which monitor will give me the
performance I want.
I've never noted persistence to be a problem with any monitor and
particularly LCDs that I've tried with flight sims.
HOWEVER the eye also has persistence and that varies widely from
person to person, probably far more than you are going to find with
normal LCDs. So, if you are one of those people who has short
persistence...er... eyes with short persistence it will be a far more
important issue that for most individuals where it is a non-issue.
Until I reached my mid 40's I had 20/10 vision. When it went to 20/20
I went to the doc because I was worried. OTOH my eyes do not have a
short persistence and that has never been a problem.
The first few flight physicals ended up with the AMEs calling my eye
Dr to find out what he had written for my vision qualifications. (I
passed the test in the AME's office with flying colors, but he wasn't
sure about what the eye Dr had written) The explanation was my eyes
resolved to the theoretical limit for human eyes. I don't remember
what he wrote now, but instead of 20/10 he had written something about
the limits.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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>John Black
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